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[ellenater]

so the Cliff Mass report had a link to his blog where I found this:

“From KATU weather site:

A WINTER STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR MUCH OF OUR AREA INCLUDING THE PORTLAND METRO FOR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. SNOW WILL BECOME POSSIBLE BY NOON SATURDAY AND IS EXPECTED TO TRANSITION INTO FREEZING RAIN BY EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. ICE ACCUMULATION WILL BE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE DAY SUNDAY. WARMING TEMPERATURES AND A TRANSITION TO RAIN LOOKS POSSIBLE SUNDAY EVENING. THIS STORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRING DOWN TREES AND POWERLINES. PLEASE STAY UPDATED.”

The irony is, I think we could make it down but then my brother, who lives in just outside of Portland, wouldn’t be able to make it in. Or out, really. And if he isn’t coming, then the niece and nephew aren’t coming. :( It’s not looking good!

Thanks, wingme. Time to visit the liquor store.

If the rest of you go, BE CAREFUL.

[JanS]

Oh, please let Santa start using UPS…I wanna see my cute bald blue-eyed UPS guy…makes my day – hehehehe

[mellaw6565]

Peggy Sue – your post is absolutely ridiculous.

[meg]

We are headed to Cannon Beach in the am…so we were wondering the same thing. Curious if anyone has opinions (hopefully not hype!) about going to longview and then over & down?

[ellenater]

Jen,

There’s supposed to be one there (Portland) earlier! But it’s hard to sort out fact from hype. The parka boys will look for any excuse to don their gay apparel. :)

I’m going to watch NWCN.

[celeste17]

If anyone is going and can pick me up I can give some time. And I have a package of diapers in my car for them. Was going to give them at the Holiday Get Together and haven’t been able to drop them off.

[beachdrivegirl]

Ditto to charlabob.

PeggySue if you had posted this in April I would assume this was a fools day joke. I pray that if you use that type of judgement that you are not a parent. It is absolutely asine to expect cars to stay off the streets b/c you would like the opportunity to play in them.

For those that understand safety here are a few parks in West Seattle that are a bit better suited for playing than in the street.

A. Alki Beach Park – http://www.seattle.gov – (206) 684-4075 – 13 reviews

B. City of Seattle Parks & Recreation Department: Environmental-Education – http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us – (206) 684-7434 – 2 reviews

C. Lincoln Park – http://www.seattle.gov – (206) 684-4075 – 9 reviews

D. City of Seattle Parks & Recreation Department: High Point – http://www.seattle.gov – (206) 684-7422 – More

E. Skyline Secure Park – http://www.skylinesecurepark.com – (206) 769-6966 – More

F. Fauntleroy Park – http://www.seattle.gov – (206) 684-4075 – More

G. White Center Park – king.wsu.edu – (206) 296-4542 – More

H. County of King King County Parks and Recreation: Lakewood Park SW – maps.google.com – (206) 205-5275 – More

I. Lowman Beach Park – maps.google.com – (206) 684-4075 – 2 reviews

J. Luna Park Hoa

[WSB]

Just posted this in the main “Friday afternoon” story but also wanted to call it out here. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. From Nancy Woodland at WestSide Baby:

>>The weather has impacted our operations this week to a near standstill.

This is especially concerning timing with orders waiting for children

expecting warm clothes and toys for Christmas. We need extra hands to help

us sort the many donations we’ve received (yeah!) and to fill orders for

pick up by our agency partners on Monday. We’ve been closed for most of

this week but will be open on Saturday from 10am to 3pm for volunteers,

donations and pick-ups. Although our parking lot can be treacherous we’re

inviting people to make their way to White Center to help out if they are

comfortable driving. Because of the volume, we’d love to have adult or

experienced volunteers only so that we can make the most of the time we’ll

have tomorrow before the snow hits again. Even an hour or two makes a huge

difference.

Because of this week’s unpredictability, please call our phone in the

morning or check our website if there is concerning weather between this

afternoon and tomorrow. Of course, today our voicemail outgoing message

isn’t working properly so we hope that will be a good tool for communication

tomorrow.

We also plan to be open Monday 9-3 (weather permitting) and possibly on

Tuesday too. Thanks so much to everyone who supports WestSide Baby!>>

http://www.westsidebaby.org

[JanS]

Hey, I agree. And…how easy was that to talk with them, sitting at the next table. Who initiated that conversation? I suppose I’m just a friendly person. If I’m out with a female friend, and there is a male person at the next table, if I want to initiate a conversation, I will. It doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m looking to get picked up….it means that I’m friendly. I suppose it’s nice if you find out the other person is not “taken”, and you hit it off, but…unless you’re specifically out looking to hook up, good conversation is just that, good conversation. There is nothing scary about men (well, most of them), and I say the same thing about most women – not scary.

I think that approaching someone at the bar who one finds attractive is equally difficult for either sex. And who likes a pick-up line anyway. But making conversation like you did last night with your friend is a much better approach. And who knows where it would go. And I see nothing wrong with women initiating that kind of conversation. And if the guy(s) you bring into the conversation is non-responsive, then he’s not worth your time any way.

[Huindekmi]

Some of the comments on here remind of back when wearing seat belts first became mandatory. People opposed to the idea would rationalize their choice with an analogy like: “A friend of mine (alt: cousin, guy I know, guy I read about in the paper, etc.) was in an accident where a semi (or other large item) fell over onto the car. He saw it coming and dove down onto the floorboards. The car was crushed, but he came out unscathed. If he was wearing a seat belt, he wouldn’t have been able to do that. And that’s why I’ll never wear a seat belt.”

Basically, taking a rare case, citing it as the norm and justifying their behavior using that one bad example. Ignoring the fact that seat belts improve a driver’s safety in the vast number of cases.

Same basic thing here. Someone doesn’t like clearing their sidewalks and justifies it by citing the rare case above.

Walking the dog this morning, I got to see all the possible results. There were the few people who shoveled the sidewalks and put down de-icer. Those guys are great. It’s like there wasn’t a storm at all.

The next best were the people who shoveled but didn’t put down salt. There were a few scattered spots where the snow got packed down and didn’t clear off completely, but the sidewalk as a whole had much better traction. And today, now that the sun is out, the dark pavement absorbs the sunlight, warms up and clears off the last remaining bits.

Then there were the people who didn’t bother to shovel, but threw a bunch of salt into the 6″ of snow on their walks. That made an interesting mix of slush and solid ice. Seriously, this makes absolutely no sense.

And the vast majority didn’t do anything. Their walks were uneven packed snow and sheer ice that developed in areas of heavy traffic or southern exposure. Difficult to walk on, and only going to become a bigger mess tonight after the sun thaws parts and then have it refreeze even worse. If we then get a another snow storm on top of that – you’ll be taking your life into your hands trying to walk on it.

The legal advice given above is a rationalization. Nothing more.

If you don’t clear your walks and someone slips and falls, you are liable. The odds of that happening are much greater than if you had obeyed the law and cleared the walks of snow and ice. Attempting to follow the law would be taken into account as a mitigating circumstance in the one rare case cited above – likely resulting in lowered liability.

So, if you’re worried about legal liability w/r/t icy sidewalks — you’re much better off obeying the law and clearing the snow and ice from your sidewalks.

[Zenguy]

Bottom line, I have a contract with Dish! I do not have a contract with Fisher.

I expect Dish to provide the service for which I pay them, if a subcontractor raises the prices I expect I will pay more. But do not cut off service.

And using their venue to try and pass around propaganda is just wrong as well.

[Bonnie]

Very interesting discussion.

I heard that the reason Verizon isn’t in Seattle is because the city of Seattle has a contract with Comcast and Verizon can’t break into our market. Don’t know if it is true or not.

Might be time to just give up the tv and save $80-$100 a month!

[cakeitseasy]

Have your sidewalks cleared is your civic duty.

It’s like, what, 60 feet of sidewalk or less on average? Takes like what, 20 minutes if you’re able bodied?

I’ve heard some excuses in my day, but…*raspberry*!. Science? Lawyers? You must really hate shoveling. Sure, virgin snow has some traction…but that doesn’t last long and then you really have a dangerous,icy, uneven, mess in a long cold snap.

Look,some people can’t shovel their walks (old, sick, out of town, don’t have a shovel, are from Hawaii and don’t know how, whatever…in which case, you should hire someone to do it) but others do nothing because they are used to it melting right away, or are just plain negligent or do a poor job, resulting in the aforementioned slippy/clear situation. But for the love of snow, don’t try to justify not having your sidewalk shoveled with merely a few inches on the ground (this isn’t Buffalo!). What about people who have to push wheels on sidewalks? Walkers, strollers, deliveries…wheelchairs? It takes about as much effort as clearing the car. (unless your sidewalk area is unusually large for Seattle). So… slip the neighbor teen $10 to do it if you can’t/won’t.

It’s simple really. Get out there and shovel *fresh* snow *before* it gets trampled or melty/freezy. Do a good job, and you’ll be rewarded with nice, dry, bare sidewalk. Probably won’t even need salt or sand, just maintain with sweeping until the temps go up. Voila, you’re a good citizen. Or, at least do it for the Postman, and his cold, wet feet…and wheelchairs.

btw, my walkway and sidewalk are still bone dry. Just a few tiny patches of ice on the stairway and some snow dust blowing around. No salt or sand.

[JoB]

yes, i do believe that…

possibly only because their contracts with comcast and direct aren’t up yet…

but i would very much like to know what the business connection is between direct and Fisher because although direct was mentioned by name in their letter to their viewers.. comcast wasn’t… and that generally points to a business relationship somewhere…

Fisher doesn’t want part of the money that dish charges to receive all broadcast stations… they are already getting that… and as yet no-one has released any figures that would give us the information we could use to determine how much of what we pay dish for local programming is actually being paid out.

Fisher wants to be paid the same as cable networks… for content that is available over the airwaves for free…

that is why their list of costs per network don’t include any for broadcast television networks.

i can see why they want it..

what i can’t see is why you want to pay it.

especially since you can eliminate the cost altogether with an inexpensive set of rabbit ears…

of course, the fair way would be a pricing list that would allow you to select the stations you want to watch and pay only for those…

i suspect that even at what would be considered exorbitant rates, we would pay far less than half of the 70 a month we currently pay each month for our service… since our list of favorites includes less than 20 stations… and some of those are only listed for the illusion of selection when channel surfing.

We personally subsidize a lot of worthless television programming for those who think that the number of channels is equal to it’s content.

This is worth considering when companies start playing this blame game… it’s easier to vent your anger at DISH.. or KOMO right now than think about the bigger picture.

If we think that broadcast stations should demand the same revenue from satellite and other providers as that charged by cable networks… are we willing to pay for that?

And if broadcast networks make the transition to cable networks.. who will provide the services that were initially negotiated for citizens in the license agreements that those providers use for our airwaves? Are you willing to give up on the public broadcasting that is mandated now?

Are you willing to let television become a commodity that is available only to those who can afford satellite or cable service? Because when the broadcast towers are no the major source of profit for broadcast networks, what will force them to continue broadcasting?

This is so not just about what Dish pays KOMO.

though if you can be convinced of that it will be easier to let broadcast tv go the way of many other public services. Those who can afford will get the service.. the rest will be left in the dark.

are you ready to bet your future on being one of those who is never left in the dark?

[TammiWS]

Both of my route 22 drivers – to downtown and home from – did a GREAT job. They took it slow and didnt take any chances.

I asked my morning driver how do they ever train for this type of weather and he said ‘remember how we did it last year’….. Unless we send our drivers to Montana to train how could they know how to navigate this? And in an articulated bus, once the back end starts swaying getting control of it would be pretty difficult I’d imagine?

Not to mention, there are so many roads to sand in the city – how do you prioritize?

We as a city just arent prepared in many ways to deal with snow…but, I will say my drivers yesterday were awesome!

[yikes]

My dog ran away from our house at 36th and Edmonds about an hour ago. A man tried to catch him… and grabbed him by his tags, which came off. Brett is running around the 36th to 39th Aves and I think Alaska and Edmunds.

He is a Norwegian Elkhound (black/white with curly tail, abot 50lbs) and is wearing jingle bells. He is very dumb about cars!

Please call me if you see him at 206 349-1419.

THANK YOU

[JoB]

a bus has a lot more weight and therefore a lot more traction.

the idiot who sent an articulated bus out in this weather is the one who guaranteed it would get stuck in spite of chains…

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??????

why are bus drivers not getting the kind of training that would allow them to be outstanding in weather crunches like this?

why are the roads they use not continually sanded since a functioning bus system almost guarantees fewer cars on the road?

it would be good if we could learn from this experience…

in the meantime.. cudos to WSB members.. and many others… who have shown that they appreciate good neighbors enough to be one…

Tis the season…

[CMP]

That’s kind of a lame rant on Metro. I was on the articulated 22 yesterday morning when it got stuck trying to get on the WS bridge at 5:30 am(before conditions got really bad). There were chains on but our driver couldn’t get the bus to move. A pickup truck is a little smaller and more manageable than a bus so go easy on Metro. Try driving a huge bus around instead of a smaller vehicle and see how well you do…I bet it’s not easy. I say the bus drivers are doing a great job given the road conditions. If you want to rant, complain about the SDOT instead!

[JoB]

i am having trouble seeing why DISH gets the blame for this one.

Do you think they should have just paid whatever Fisher demanded so that you would get KOMO?

and if so.. would you have objected to a rate increase to pay for that channel.. and the other network channels that would have demanded an increase when their contracts came due?

and if so.. how much more are you willing to pay?

because that is the bottom line.

check Fisher broadcasting’s latest profit statements and you will find they are increasingly profitable.. which they contribute to dropping “unprofitable” stations in less lucrative markets…

As for what ABC thinks… the major networks have been looking for a way out of the regulated contracts they currently have..

you know. the contracts that became less profitable when they no longer held a monopoly..

and into cable networks which have little federal oversight.

ABC isn’t screaming at the top of their lungs that they are being denied access by DISH.. they are standing quietly on the sidelines waiting to see if FISHER and DIRECT tv can break DISH.

Best case scenario for them would be if Fisher won and nobody really noticed… then they could increase what they charge FISHER…

[beachdrivegirl]

I have three problems with the current situation between KOMO and DISH.

1) DISH is breaking their contract with their customers. When you sign up for a service you expect to receive said service with no exception. Otherwise what is the point of a long term *contract*. At least in my job, that is what we do for our customers. We lock in prices for the term of the contract there isnt any clause that says we will raise our prices if our manufacturers change their prices on us. That is the benefit to the customer for signing up.

2) my second issue with this situation is that Dish is arleady charging customers for fisher’s viewing. I think that if Dish is charging customers than yes Fisher has every right to ask for a portion of those profits.

3) my last issue with Dish is that this isnt the first time they have cut off a network like this. I dont see Direct or comcast doing this to their customers only Dish.

IMO, this is just another fine example of Dish’s lack of customer service.

[WSMom]

I don’t even want to think about what this HBR mix is doing to my arteries!! Moderation is key. It’s very rich, so I just ask for a half cup :)

[JoB]

Mrhineh..

do you now how to start a new thread?

you go to the top of the forum page and click on the category you think your new thread belongs in…

then you click on new at the top of the page…

you can edit both your title and your post if you are not happy with them for a short time following your post.. i have never figured out how long…

even if you aren’t sure you have a intriguing topic.. it is worth a new thread. you never know with this crowd…

when you start a new thread. you have the opportunity to take the discussion to a theoretical level which often gets a much larger and more positive response…

I confess. we are all human here.. and when we have been talking with people for a while on a wide range of subjects… we tend to read their intent with the best possible reading rather than focus on their words…

In this case, i honestly believe that it never occurred to christopher that the human interest he added to his story would offend anyone…

but the broader question of when noting race.. or gender… detracts from the story you are telling is an interesting discussion that i am betting a large number of posters on the forum would be interested in pursuing.

if you didn’t post just to gripe.. a new thread is likely to start an interesting conversation.

[Homer]

Glad to hear Admiral is ok but I’m still curious about those cameras on top of the light! What are they there for if not for traffic? Why wouldn’t we be able to see them? They are def. not red light cameras so anyone know? Thanks.

[JoB]

I just read KOMOs side of the story on their own website…

they are trying to position themselves as a cable network… and this is their bid to break into that market.

While i understand why they would want to do that.. i also understand why Dish would say no.

not one of the stations in their list comparing prices was a network television station. .they were all cable stations…

I would like to know whether DIRECT TV or Comcast is currently paying the rates that KOMO is demanding of DISH. My guess is that they aren’t. I would also like to know what kind of stake Fisher communications has in DIRECT TV.. since they are the only named competitor they encourage their customers to use.

Aside from that… I think there is a lot more at stake here for citizens than a projected rate increase at DISH.

i think we are seeing the first salvo in a move away from broadcast television and towards cable only franchises… a move that has to be made by companies like FISHER who have transmission rights to regulated entities like ABC.. but no government contract to prohibit them from limiting access.

I am under no delusion that DISH is doing this for us.. but for anyone who wants to maintain access to broadcast stations this is a fight it might be in our best interests to support.

you might ask yourself why this little skirmish is getting no coverage… other than on Dish and on the KOMO website… it would seem it is not in the best interests of broadcast stations to look at this one too deeply.

If Fisher is successful, it is not going to matter much how many options we have… we will have to pay one of them if we want television.

There is a lot at stake here…

[littlebrowndog]

Info just gleaned for dog owners: yesterday when we walked up to the Junction with our dogs, as we walked through the salted area at the bank on the corner of Alaska and California suddenly one of our 3 dogs began limping badly. I suspected it was the salt, so we walked her across the street and rubbed the pad thoroughly and then she was fine. I promptly forgot about it. Just now, in response to the advice from all of you, I salted the porch and steps. She was out in the yard while I did it. As she came back in the house she took one step up and promptly pulled a paw up and refused to walk on it. I again rubbed it dry and then she was fine. The other two dogs had no problems. I can only surmise that she has gotten a tiny nick on her pad from the icy snow and when the salt gets into it then it really stings. Since the other 2 dogs are fine I have to think it is probably a low incidence problem, but I do think we dog owners should remember that ice can cut our dog’s paws. Lesson learned for me: should have used sand or kitty litter.