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September 20, 2008 at 12:03 am #639440JoBParticipant
New Resident & JT …
Why is there always someone who wants to pee in the pool so that nobody else can swim?
Yes, i read the book. And i had to go to some effort to find it. I cared enough to do that.
Zenguy read nearly 300 individual reviews on Amazon.
Now.. you can decide that i am on my high and mighty… and cast doubt as to the validity of this protest…
but that won’t change the fact that you had equal opportunity to learn what i learned in the same amount of time i learned it
and do something about it… if you cared.
I refuse to be made to feel bad because i rightly assessed that New Resident would not.
surprise me.. astound me.. show up.
But stop putting people down who actually put their own money, time and effort where their mouth is.
i am out of time to post here.. there are still signs to be made and handouts to fold.
whether you show up or not, others will show up in support of giving parents other options.
That’s all we are doing.. providing handouts with options.
I am at a loss see where you would have to find out what your position on all of Tedd Tripp’s writing to do that..
but hey.. it’s your choice.
September 19, 2008 at 11:50 pm #639293In reply to: Infamous West Seattle?
GinaParticipantThe curious thing about George Jugum? He has a twin sister who is a teacher, and has won the Golden Apple award. Same family, two different directions.
JoBParticipantIt is a mistake to think that pro choice people don’t realize that a fetus is a potential child.
The person who realizes it most of all is the woman who has to make the decision whether she can responsibly raise the child she is carrying if it carries to full term.
JenV said she didn’t regret her decision, but i am betting she didn’t make it lightly either.
I feel great sorrow for those women who abort without thinking it through and then later regret it. But i feel equal sorrow for those women who don’t feel regret but nevertheless feel their own personal loss.
I made my choices, but i paid heavily for them when i had my child and gave him up. Imagine believing you would never see your child. Imagine the sorrow each birthday brings.
then imagine that child finds you and all goes well and still every birthday you get a thank you call for not killing them.
thank you for not being a butcher.
Not thank you for caring enough to give me the best start in life that you could.
last year i explained to my son how hurtful his thank you was in a way he must have understood.. because he didn’t call to thank me this year.
I did what i could for him. but, it didn’t turn out nearly as well for him as i had hoped… and i nearly took my own life over the sorrow long before i had any opportunity to meet him.
And i am a success story.
Each woman’s experience faced with an unintended pregnancy is unique… which is why the decision has to be their own.
September 19, 2008 at 11:46 pm #640215cjboffoliParticipantIt’s not like she didn’t know I was coming. I had an appointment. All she had to do was step out into the alley or something. I would have waited five minutes while she went and smoked a cig.
I’m disappointed with myself for sitting there for a half hour as opposed to just walking out. It’s easy to blow it off as “just one cigarette” but the Surgeon General has said that “no amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe.” They say that more than 40,000 annual non-smoker deaths nationwide can be attributed to exposure to cigarette smoke. So I think the era of minimizing the dangers is probably past us.
Like I said though, if you want to smoke then knock yourself out. Who am I to tell you that you can’t. But in this situation she was breaking the law, selfishly disregarding the health and comfort of her customers and lying to someone who had been a loyal customer and generous tipper. I wish her the best but I’m not going back there.
September 19, 2008 at 11:43 pm #639840In reply to: Peat-Settlement Prone Area
bubblegummomParticipantIt appears to involve about 36 houses in the area of Manning and 35th.
September 19, 2008 at 11:35 pm #639839In reply to: Peat-Settlement Prone Area
bubblegummomParticipantDon’t you think it lowers the resale value of the house, though? It sounds pretty bad. Who would want to buy a house in a peat-settlement prone area? The house has been in our family for over 50 years, and a part of the City of Seattle for more than that, and the land use planner I’ve asked a few questions of via e-mail, Brennon Staley, says he doesn’t know of anything bad having happened there, and I don’t either. It makes me feel like they are neurotically looking for something to keep themselves busy with.
CaitParticipantThe same respect to you, BDG. I can see where that would definitely affect your stance. However, I find it fascinating that no matter what your direct experience, the stances vary so much… I think that speaks loudly in itself.
JenVMemberBDG- thank you for speaking up- that took courage.
It seems the only logical conclusion is the only person who should be making decisions about abortion are the people who are actually going through it.
Peace.
September 19, 2008 at 11:28 pm #588111Topic: GE Appliance Delivery
in forum West Seattle Rants & RavesGinaParticipant2600 block, 45th/46th. Penske Rental Truck, plate number A12961Z. Hit my parking strip tree, aggravating slight split in tree, now split to almost to ground, and additional split in limb. Tree is fifty years old, so quite a big split. The tree does not look salvageble.Ran out after hearing big cracking noise, driver took off. Walked block, found truck, saw GE Delivery on driver’s shirt just as he was leaving. Got license number.
I have no idea which house was delivered to. If anyone had something delivered today, could you let me know who you bought from? I tried the local GE numbers, and they all use Enterprise rental trucks.
Would this sort of thing warrant talking to the police? Doesn’t seem like a 911 situation, but jeepers, it is a street tree, and it will be 100 bucks from the city to get a permit to remove it to start with. I can just imagine what it will cost to have it removed.
Yes, I am pissed off.
September 19, 2008 at 11:26 pm #639439CaitParticipantI would like to say that anyone who is on the other thread talking about how horrible abortions are better be showing up with your signs and your anger to protest those actually showing physical violence to LIVE BABIES/PEOPLE. That should drum up some support for you, JoB! :) More power to you! I wish I could be there, but I’m afraid that I would be arrested for assault if I ran into anyone who actually bought into this horse caca.
I shall honk as I drive by in solidarity but I shall keep my Irish anger at home for the best interests of all involved.
JoBParticipantNew resident..
let’s see.. statistics?
dave siad 30% of women get abortions as a primary means of birth control
the next study quoted said 40 something percent
then you say most…
most???
if 30% of women use abortion as birth control.. that means 70% don’t.
if .. lets say 45% use abortion as birth control that means 55% don’t.
it’s basic math even before you look at the studies to find out what questions they asked to arrive at what looks like pretty inflated figures to me.
if that’s the kind of fuzzy math your judgments are based on it’s no wonder you come up with such negative judgments about other women…
CaitParticipantJenV – THANK YOU! I have respect for someone who speaks up like that! Personally, I have never had one and most of my opinions come from my political views and my background in women’s studies. It takes truly thinking and delving for those of us who have not had abortions in order to think about the dynamics that go on in that situation and they are NUMEROUS and complicated.
I personally think that anyone who passes judgment on people who have had abortions are wrong, whatever your stance is. It is no one’s place. When you think about the societal issues present in abortion rights, you get down to some really sullied roots that no one wants to talk about which is what makes it so taboo to this day.
RSMemberThanks for the perspective and for sharing, JenV. I worked at a PP in the abortion clinic and saw as many varieties of situations as there were patients. Some people I encountered made me question their decision-making skills, but then I started wondering what kind of childhood or circumstances or violence or lack of opportunity or lack of people teaching them to give a damn about themselves had led them to make those choices. And then as hard as it was sometimes, I stopped judging *anybody* for being there.
And a note on the other thread, having had very first-hand experience with some of those protesters, I personally believe that they are often evil, manipulative f***ers and against my general policy in life, I think very very dark thoughts at them on a regular basis.
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl..
100% of women who give their babies up for adoption show emotional distress afterward.
i don’t know what the suicide rates or because noone has tracked it that i am aware of…
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there is such a need for adopted children to find their birth mothers that there is a huge business built around tracking them down… and now.. a reality show:(
adoption isn’t the huge hug fest that outsiders think it is… birth families, adopted kids, and adopted families.
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If you provide adequate services for unmarried mothers and their children, they have more options to choose not to abort than if you don’t.
right now we don’t.
September 19, 2008 at 11:02 pm #639861In reply to: WSB Meet-up/ Bowling party?
celeste17ParticipantIf we do the 12th count me in. The 5th is my brothers birthday.
FullTiltParticipant“If we’re going to hell, I call the window seat!”
I call shotgun.
LBGMemberIf it’s a medical procedure and not a life, what’s to feel bad about? When you have a kidney removed, do you feel bad? If an ovarian cyst is taken out, are you emotionally distraught and wonder what could have been with that cyst?
Why is the emotion there if you are not ending life or, the more sterile, “terminating a pregnancy”…
Why is this a left or right thing or a religious or non-religious thing? I think it boils down to when you believe life begins and if that life is then given rights under the constitution…
as an aside…less than 1% of people have abortions due to rape an incest.
JenVMemberBDG: “but they are making an emotional decision when they are emotionally unbalanced.”
how dare you presume to know someone’s emotional state at that time? what a huge generalization.
September 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm #640214IrukandjiParticipantThank you for your report cjb. It sure makes a difference to me. I don’t go into Freshy’s up near Admiral on California because of the number of smokers that hang out just outside. I’ve skipped Charleston Cafe because it seems whenever I see the waitresses around town in their uniforms they are nearly always smoking and I wouldn’t want that odor with my lunch.
Kudos to Bakery Nouveau, whose workers will close doors and ask people to move along if they’ve stopped for a smoke in front of the shop.
I empathize with smokers: I was lucky to have quit decades ago and watch my parents struggle with their addiction. Please, though, take ’em where we don’t have to share. Keep ’em in your car, in your home, in well ventilated areas where the smoke and ash don’t come my way. Thanks!
September 19, 2008 at 10:46 pm #640213villagegreenMemberHad she smoked a whole pack in the store? I can’t believe one cigarette would justify the ‘Las Vegas Casino’ comparison. Once the smoking ban went into effect I think people have become really sensitive to smoke (I know I have). It didn’t used to really bother me at all. Now just a hint of smoke and I’m looking around for the culprit.
I’d cut someone some slack for one cigarette, though. Maybe she was just having a really bad day.
CaitParticipantI suppose the last paragraph was not directed at anyone for an answer – just trying to shed some light on why those statistics would be the way that they are. I hate to say it because they seem irrelevant to me – how would any one be able to answer those questions in a black and white fashion?
soclwrkrinmotnMemberHere’s something I wonder: there are waitlists for adoptions…yes, NR, this is true.
In this case, that is:
IF you are a white, healthy, no exposure to alcohol or substances, and no special needs. yes, for those babies, there is a wait list.
Do you have any idea how many kids languish in the foster care system? No one wants to adopt those children, and people don’t want to hear about them, unless it is to donate their old clothes.
I am also pro-choice, and I don’t presume to to tell any body what to do with their body. But that is not the point of this post.
But I will have more than a little to say when someone dares to say that “American citizens that want, more than anything, to raise children have to wait years for a child to become available. This is part of why so many American’s adopt from other countries.”
No. Part of it is racism–people would rather adopt from China or Ethiopia (and this makes NO sense to me) than to adopt an African American child born here in the US.
Part of it is the fear of birth parents. People have a fear of birth parents coming back, sadly enough.
And lack of sex education with our teenagers IS AN ISSUE!!!
Here’s an excerpt from a report from the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute:
African American children who come into contact with the child welfare system are disproportionately represented in foster care, and are less likely than children of other racial and ethnic groups to move to permanency in a timely way. These children account for 15 percent of the U.S. child population but, in FY2006, they represented 32 percent of the 510,000 children in foster care. Black children, as well as Native American children, also have lower rates of adoption than those of other races and ethnicities (U.S. DHHS, 2008a; U.S. GAO, 2007).
In Washington State, it is even more obvious.
http://www1.dshs.wa.gov/ca/pubs/disproportion.asp
I am not trying to be mean, or belittle the argument, but when it comes to children without permanent homes, and citizens at large saying that there are plenty of homes for children…I get pretty angry. I wish it were true.
beachdrivegirlParticipantI suppose that is true about those included in the statistics.
Villagegreen but they are making an emotional decision when they are emottionally unbalanced.
CaitParticipantI did, but what I’m saying is that those people are included in your statistics. I think that they would be much different if we delved into who we were asking there. How people feel about them personally is interesting to look into but I really think that you can’t rely on those statistics – what are people supposed to say that they felt great about it and would do it again?
villagegreenMemberThe question of why a woman who has an abortion would feel bad even though they fully believe abortion should be every woman’s right is completely ludicrous.
I’m not a woman, but it seems to me that when one becomes pregnant it would automatically bring up a whole slew of emotions. And if you choose to terminate the pregnancy there would probably be a sense of loss. It has nothing to do with ‘killing a life’ – more a sense of lost possibility and questions of what could have been, even though most women who have abortions (IMO) are doing the responsible thing.
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