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  • JoB
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    As a christian, what i find most troubling about some churches is that an open mind is only desirable to them when they want someone who does not believe to listen to them.

    I happen to believe that celebrity status.. or idolatry as he has labeled it… has run amok in our society .. but unfortunately it has become as pervasive in our churches as it is elsewhere.

    I question what a celebrity preacher.. any celebrity preacher… adds to the conversation… let alone one like Mark that aggressively prohibits dissenting opinions… and yes, i am sure that this church does aggressively inhibit dissenting opinions.

    The Mars Hill church has a security staff aggressive enough to make me glad that my husband accompanied me when i leafleted cars when they hosted a seminar promoting ritualized spanking here in West Seattle… and aggressive enough to go behind me removing non-aggressive pamphlets quoting bible scripture… and aggressive enough to cause church members to rudely address me when i quietly offered them a pamphlet on alternative christian methods of child rearing.

    That kind of aggressive repression of dissent does not speak to an open mind… and child rearing is not the only subject upon which they have a singular point of view that they defend aggressively.

    I have trouble with any church that considers it’s members the only “real” Christians…

    there is something so unchristian about that.

    And.. i have a problem with Nightline.. a news program.. chasing the ten commandments to Mt Sinai..

    that’s the kind of show i expect from a pseudo documentary on one of the cable channels … not on Nightline News. I wouldn’t have made an effort to watch that show even if Mark hadn’t been on it.

    Next time someone brings up the liberal bias of network news.. i would like them to ask themselves how the existence of this program on Nightline.. a program that was once celebrated for it’s in depth news coverage… illustrates that liberal bias.

    If this is indicative of the post Koppel programming, Nightline has ceased to be a news program and has become just another entertainment program chasing the ratings.

    It really is too bad. there are so few actual news programs left.

    swimcat
    Member

    Oh goodness, the WSB has not had a religious forum discussion in a while. I’m very interested in seeing other opinions on this article about the pastor from MH.

    fwiw- I think religion is great if practiced in moderation. Take it to extremes (like I feel Mars Hill does), and you end up alienating A LOT of people. Just my two cents.

    #592581
    Ken
    Participant

    Your guide to removing the Liberal Bias from the bible.

    Ya just can’t make this stuff up.

    Another triumph in the conservative Christians heroic struggle to make the Bible match their prejudices and what they learned from prosperity gospel tv charlatans and crazies.

    I am sure there are legions of Ancient Greek scholars just lining up to help.

    http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

    Google cache of above.

    http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

    And the “product” itself is available here for your edification and amusement.

    Note the term “Pharisee” is replaced with “intellectual” or “intellectual types” to make sure the authoritarian Talmudic law enforcers of the time of Jesus were turned into a modern pejorative (as far as conservatives are concerned) rather than being associated with modern theocratic nationalist old testament law enforcers like … well, themselves.

    This has been up since August 09 and has not been taken down or repudiated in the days since some actual scholars noticed it, so I have to assume it is not a joke. At least not on purpose.

    http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible

    The google cache link since the server tips over from all the holy electrons flowing to it over the intertubes.

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:60craJ43hyEJ:www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible+conservative+Bible+site:conservapedia.com&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    < excerpt from project web page >

    1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

    2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, “gender inclusive” language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity

    3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]

    4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word “comrade” three times as often as “volunteer”; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as “word”, “peace”, and “miracle”.

    5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as “gamble” rather than “cast lots”;[5] using modern political terms, such as “register” rather than “enroll” for the census

    6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

    7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

    8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

    9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels

    10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word “Lord” rather than “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or “Lord God.”


    After reading a bit of the translation, my stupidity, irony and hypocrisy meters are busted and the shrapnel will take days to recover. Most of it seems to be cut n past from the online “good news” bible with a bit of find and replace used to reverse the meaning of certain terms and accepted usage.

    The “Movement Conservatives” who took over the Republican party a couple of decades ago have recently finished alienating Hispanics, educated people and sick people.

    This should finish off Christians who can read.

    #679035

    In reply to: Hey CJBoffoli

    cjboffoli
    Participant

    Full Tilt: Maybe if you can perfect a catnip ice cream recipe West Seattle cats could be a potential new customer base for you. Any Swinery bacon ice cream yet? Or have you ever done a bacon and egg ice cream? That might be interesting too.

    The case of the gray cat remains unresolved. But thanks for asking pigeonmom.

    It had gotten to the point where she had become a nuisance. Meowing loudly outside of my door at all hours. Just would not leave until I went out to play with her. And when I did she was all over me. Just starved for attention. Then I had to go to South Florida for a week and she had the saddest little face as I pulled away to the airport. I felt a bit guilty thinking she was back here meowing at my door as I was thousands of miles away.

    Enter furryfaces. In a remarkably generous gesture she came over to my place while I was away to see if she could take the cat to be scanned for a chip. I think she also made arrangements for potential foster care too. But the night she came by it was dark and raining so the cat was not around. She left food for it but one of my neighbors (who had grown weary of the meowing) dumped the food to keep the cat from coming back. I decided just to ask furryfaces to wait until I returned to deal with this. Literally the minute I arrived home the cat ran up to me. But since I’ve been back she no longer meows at my door and I haven’t seen her around as much.

    Just last night I spoke to two of my neighbors who had both wondered who the cat belonged to as it had been spending a lot of time at their doors too. And they had fed it as I had. So now I’m a bit confused. I don’t know if it just belongs to someone in the neighborhood who lets it roam at all hours. Or if it truly might be abandoned. The neighbors are going to help me ask around. It would nice to resolve this soon as the weather is beginning to turn. I’ve also heard stories of this little cat getting into standoffs with other neighborhood cats and getting too close to (thankfully leashed) dogs that would gladly take her out if they could.

    #678895

    In reply to: Asbestos testing rec?

    homedk
    Participant

    I researched this a couple of years ago before we had some asbestos siding removed & again very recently when we were seeking bids for the removal of a popcorn ceiling. I discovered a lot of great info online including photos; I’d recommend checking online in that it might help you determine if what you are seeing is asbestos or not.

    If you want to take a sample, make sure you spray it with water first & then put it into a secure container; don’t sand it or scrape it when it’s dry because small particles can be released into the air.

    We skipped the testing step, because we were pretty certain that what we had contained asbestos & we wanted it gone in any case. The abatement companies that came to give bids were helpful in verifying that we were correct. Testing isn’t expensive (around $35, I think), but sometimes there is really no need to have it tested if you plan to have it removed anyway.

    The company that removed our asbestos siding was:

    Bill Thornton, One-Step Environmental Abatement LLC, (206) 359-1079, Fax (206) 260-7003.

    Another company that was recommended to us & seemed very responsive & competitively priced is: Mike Correll, Action Abatement LLC, (206) 793-1451.

    Hope this helps!

    I just wanted to make a slight clarification about the Jefferson Square parking lot. As a business owner in Jefferson Square, I know the lot is definitely not a West Seattle favorite. I understand! However, it was mentioned that there is a 2 hour limit. It changed from 2 hours to 3 hours about 2 years ago. If you got a ticket for parking for less than 3 hours recently, I would try to fight it. Linda, you mentioned you were at my store-let me know if I can help you-I don’t want my customers to get a ticket. However, I believe the lot needs to be monitored. Otherwise, people park here for extended periods of time which makes the parking situation worse as there are less spaces available. Also, if the lot was not monitored, Jefferson Square businesses’ employees would park here which would again make fewer spaces available for patrons. I do think 3 hours should be enough time for people to do what they need to in Jefferson Square. There is a lot below if you need to be here longer and you can pay accordingly. Lastly, the lot is often virtually empty during the weekdays between 10-4.I have a good view of it out my window. If you can come here then, you should have a more pleasant parking experience.

    #677982
    TDe
    Participant

    By the way Vincent, I love the dog picture. I think I’ve seen this video on TV. It always makes me laugh. I’m sorry you’re sad and depressed about this issue and somehow think it’s held in the realm of liberal thought only. I’ve never thought that the concept of protecting included pre-emptive jailing. And nope, I’ve never been a Constitutional law student, either. I did however spend years in another state as a police officer, where protecting and serving was definitely part of the job. Although we weren’t “obligated” by written law to protect and to serve, the police academy did have community relations in the curriculum and service was a big part of that. I was at times assigned service duties: providing directions to lost citizens, helping stalled drivers on the road, providing first aid to the injured until medics arrived, assisting drivers who locked keys in their cars, etc. And at times I was assigned protective duties: Providing a visible police presence in a troubled area, escorting people who had been threatened by others, directing traffic around a hazard so that drivers wouldn’t injure themselves or others, etc. But, that was a long time ago.

    So, here’s my question to you: What do you think the role of the police should be in our society today and what is it currently?

    #679040
    lighthouse
    Participant

    Will the plan be published online so the public can read it?

    Will there be a public comment period on the plan, or is it “what you see is what you get”?

    EDIT TO ADD — A couple more:

    * One of the key issues in the Dec 2008 storm was the abysmal bus service. I know that Metro runs the buses, but Metro will just point back at the SDOT and say they couldn’t drive on unplowed roads. So this is going to require the two groups (SDOT and Metro) work together to address this issue. Therefore, what is SDOT and Metro doing to make sure that at least some main routes are running and routes that are canceled or re-routed properly identified and that info provided to bus riders?

    * We were very fortunate in the Dec 2008 storm that no major power losses happened. We may not be so lucky in the next big winter storm, so what is City Light doing to make sure that the main feed lines are maintained so they won’t be taken out by heavy snow fall? What is City Light and SDOT doing to make sure that City Light crews can actually reach downed lines after a heavy snow fall? (Does City Light have any snow clearing equipment of their own, or are they dependent on SDOT for this?)

    I’ll probably come up with more as I think about this longer.

    EDIT #2 TO ADD:

    * In the Dec 2008 storm, there was a bunch of reports on WSB from people who saw SPD officers putting out “road closed” signs and similar tasks that one might think SDOT would be responsible for. Is this an appropriate use of SPD resources in a winter storm? Is the plan to continue to use SPD for these tasks?

    (What I’m getting at with the above is that a SPD cruiser even with chains is still 2WD and can’t get around well in snow. Plus, a cruiser can only carry maybe 20 signs. If SDOT sent out a 4×4 truck with chains, they could carry 100 signs and deal with many road closures in one trip without distracting SPD from dealing with actual emergencies.)

    EDIT #3 TO ADD:

    * Does the City of Seattle motorpool have an accurate count of what 4×4 vehicles the city owns? Does the motor pool have an adequate supply of chains for those vehicles? Is there a process in place where those vehicles can be shared across departments? For example, I know the Parks department has 4×4 F250 trucks — can SDOT (or SPD, for that matter) use those vehicles if needed (and does the motor pool have chains for those vehicles)?

    As a supplement to the above: Does the city have any plans to buy some smaller plows and blowers to mount on city 4×4 trucks? These couldn’t clear roads, but could still be used to clear parking lots and walkways.

    One final edit: The point of the last point above is to make sure the city is using ALL resources in the event of another storm. The first step in that process is making sure the city knows what equipment it has and making sure that equipment is ready for winter duty.

    #678904

    In reply to: traffic circle rules

    Sue
    Participant

    We had discussed this a year ago in another thread. I contacted SDOT at the time to find out the rules about it, and this was the emailed reply I received at the time and posted a year ago:

    “Thank you for your inquiry regarding the rules pertaining to left turns at neighborhood traffic circles. You are correct that the Washington Driver Guide (and the state law that the guide implements), does not distinguish between

    neighborhood traffic circles and roundabouts.

    Practically speaking, a left turn can be performed safely in front of a neighborhood traffic circle since they are typically located on low traffic volume and low speed residential streets, unlike roundabouts, which control traffic flow on higher volume arterials.

    However, under a strict interpretation of the Driver Guide and state laws, this is not a legal left turn, and similarly to roundabouts, a driver turning left at a neighborhood traffic circle should proceed counterclockwise around the traffic circle, rather than turning left in front of the circle.

    We recognize that this issue causes confusion, and the City will be working this year toward clarifying the distinction between neighborhood traffic circles and roundabouts in state law, addressing the issue in the Seattle Municipal

    Code, or both.”

    So I read this as yeah, you’ll probably get away with it because we usually ignore it, but it’s technically not legal to make the short left and you COULD get a ticket for it if somebody is bored and wants to write a ticket.

    #592574

    Topic: Hey CJBoffoli

    in forum Open Discussion
    Aim
    Participant

    What ever happened to the grey kitty? Did she adopt you? Did you find her “parents?” Did she get re-homed?

    I’m curious. Or nosy. Take your pick :)

    WSB
    Keymaster

    Websites are amazingly simple to set up with current software tools. There also are some existing sites that you may not have happened onto – one that’s not West Seattle-specific but is West Seattle-based (its publisher lives in High Point) is Vintage Seattle:

    http://vintageseattle.org

    You really just need to set up a free “blog”-format site and could publish entries as you happen onto things. Also anyone with historic vignettes is welcome to send them to us for publication on WSB – we LOVE “then and now” type stuff and wish we had more time to look it up ourselves!!!!

    bluebird
    Member

    I don’t have a business recommendation, but when this happened on my furnace, I vacuumed all in/around/on the pilot light area and retried the directions. Lit right up for me.

    swind
    Member

    I do have “West Side Story,” which is a terrific source of information. A website would be great, or even an interactive historical map that West Seattle residents could pull up. It might show the original street names and perhaps even references to previous structures that might have existed on a particular lot or block. I have no idea how to create something like that, but it sounds like fun!

    #678839

    In reply to: Happy Birthday TR

    WSB
    Keymaster

    I did get out – took two ferry rides yesterday afternoon. He made a couple of newsgathering phone calls that would have usually been up to me AND took photos at several events. What a gorgeous day. And did you all see that full moon-rise last night? We were headed out to dinner when we saw it. Spectacular. Anyway, thanks all for the kind wishes. Now on with my SECOND half-century.

    #592570
    deanbean
    Member

    The Little Gym is opening in West Seattle!

    The Little Gym is a non-competitive motor skill development program that offers gymnastics classes and birthday parties. A brand new The Little Gym will be opening this fall in West Seattle, and we are seeking dynamic teachers to help us grow this amazing new gym. This position is part time, teaching late afternoons, evenings and weekends, between 10 and 25 hours per week.

    We are looking for:

    *A background in gymnastics, dance, or athletics. (Training and lesson plans are provided.)

    *A commitment of at least one year from date of hire.

    *Availability to teach in the late afternoon, evenings and weekends.

    *Exceptional customer service skills.

    If you genuinely love children and are ready for a truly unique opportunity to make a difference in young lives and yours, consider joining The Little Gym family.

    Please email your resume and a 50 word (or less) statement letting us know why you are an excellent candidate for this position to tlgwestseattlewa@thelittlegym.com. You may also call Dana or Birgit at 206-937-0331 with questions.

    #678903

    In reply to: traffic circle rules

    WSB
    Keymaster

    Dufus, can you please provide the direct link? We appreciate the helpfulness but that much of an excerpt is a copyright violation … If you are excerpting more than a line or two, PLEASE provide the link, not cut-and-paste text. We take copyright really seriously around here. You can just put the link (as long as it’s preceded by the full http) right into a post and it will work.

    vincent
    Member

    I think people on here just like the hear the sound of their own voices. Logic is a difficult concept. I should start a new thread every day that I don’t get a hug at work.

    #677976
    vincent
    Member

    This is a pretty basic exercise for criminal justice students. Please find *any* law that supports your statement of police being obligated to “protect and serve”… while your at it, try to produce a picture of a Seattle or king county police cruiser that says the phrase.
    The sad truth is the phrase is associated with police, because it was featured in many TV shows. The sadder part is that people actually believe it.
    This country was founded on the concept of individual freedoms (bill of rights) and that extends to freedoms of others from unjust prosecution (Amendment 4), to your own freedom to defend your person, and property (Amendment 2). It’s very depressing to me when people approach this with statements like “this is new to me” and “one of those conspiracy theory’s” frankly you sound uneducated about the reality of our criminal justice system, as do most people when they imply that the law has the ability to pre-emptively imprison someone for the “potential” for breaking a law.

    #678809
    DMcG
    Member

    I haven’t had the cupcakes but I have had the lime bars a couple time and really like them. One of my friends is in a jazz quintet that has played there a couple of times on Friday evenings and it has always been free.

    #592567
    dufus
    Member

    I would like for my fellow West Seattle peeps to follow the rules of the road regarding traffic circles in this instance — it is tiring to get cut off or almost rammed by people who do not understand how to traverse a traffic circle — it is simple — get to traffic circle, proceed always to the right (even if you want to turn left, don’t do it!!!) — always get going counter clockwise around the circle, get off the circle at whatever street you are looking for — you should be turning to your RIGHT, always, when going into and out of a traffic circle.

    from Seattle PI:

    Question:

    Judd Calloway says he’s lived in Seattle for many years and has always been confused about the proper way to make a left-hand turn at traffic circles.

    “A few years ago, in an effort to figure this out, I went online (I believe at the City of Seattle’s website) and found that one could make a left-hand turn before the traffic circle without going around it as long as it was safe to do so; otherwise one would have to go around it.

    “Now I am reading that this is NOT true and that one must go clockwise around the traffic circle. Did this change, and also why would someone not be able to turn before it? It seems like it would help expedite the flow of cars,” he writes.

    Answer:

    Brian Kemper, interim city traffic engineer with the Seattle Department of Transportation, says state law doesn’t distinguish between a “neighborhood traffic circle and a larger roundabout.”

    “Consequently, a driver must go counterclockwise around a traffic circle when turning left or stay to the right of the circle when proceeding straight through the intersection. However, we recognize that there are some instances when drivers turning left may need to turn in front of the circle, for example, when they are operating a large truck. Turning left in front of a traffic circle can be safely performed if the driver exercises reasonable care and yields to pedestrians, bicyclists, and oncoming traffic,” Kemper says.

    KBear
    Participant

    For once, I agree with Vincent. Parking isn’t free anywhere. Somebody pays for it, whether it’s the merchant, the customer, the the taxpayer, or some combination of the three. It costs money just to maintain a bare patch of concrete where you can park your vehicle. When you park your car, it is incumbent upon YOU to make sure you understand what the arrangement is.

    #678371
    JoB
    Participant

    To insure that you get a ballot.. make sure your registration is current.

    When you get it, sit down and vote and send it back. That way you ballot doesn’t get lost in the ever-growing pile of things you need to get to…

    and vote to approve 71.. too many Washington families depend on that bill for basic rights the rest of us take for granted… like the right to be with our loved ones when they are hospitalized.

    #678486

    In reply to: Somking Outside Bars

    JoB
    Participant

    It is not polite to call anyone a liar about their personal information… there is no excuse for that.

    If bluebird say they are not a smoker.. that comment should be taken at face value.

    If the only way you can make your point is by casting aspersions on others.. you don’t have much of a point.

    Lurleen
    Member

    Monday, October 5 is the deadline to register online or by mail if you want to vote in the statewide November 3rd election. Register here. https://wei.secstate.wa.gov/osos/secure/pages/Onlinevoterregistration.aspx Check your address here. http://wei.secstate.wa.gov/OSOS/VoterVault/Pages/MyVote.aspx

    Ballots will be mailed out between October 14 and October 16.

    This election, Referendum 71 http://approvereferendum71.org/ asks voters to approve or reject the domestic partnership law that was passed this spring by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Gregoire. Vote “approved” on Referendum 71 to preserve the domestic partnership law. Every Vote Counts! Are you registered to vote? Is your voter registration address current? If not, act now!

    Approve71.org

    #678483

    In reply to: Somking Outside Bars

    christopherboffoli
    Participant

    bluebird: You seem awfully invested in this issue for a non-smoker. I share Fancy Nan’s suspicions.

    Looking back through the threads I can’t tell where you “corrected” me. I wrote “within 30 feet of a smoker.” The last time I checked 18 inches and 6 feet were within 30 feet of a smoker. To date no scientific study has proven that being 30 feet from a smoker is safe. Of the limited (but growing) research that has been done on outdoor smoke exposure, most have commented on the difficulty and limits of the equipment and measuring methods in something as infinitely variable as air. As municipalities continue to push for outdoor smoking bans I expect the testing methods will improve.

    Though I find your arguments about buses, lawnmowers, SUV’s (as well as fat and trash) to be largely fallacious, you do raise an excellent point about other sources of pollution in the air that should be of great concern to everyone. I applaud our government’s efforts with new clean diesel rules. And more locally, I’ve appreciated the City of Seattle’s efforts with offering ships at our ports ways to plug into local electricity so that they can turn off their engines in port as well as the increased number of garbage and recycling trucks that run on cleaner-burning natural gas. Wood burning fireplaces, charcoal cooking fires, and the small gas engines in lawnmowers and leaf blowers can all produce harmful pollution and I’d hope that their use (especially in densely populated areas) will shift to lesser or non-polluting alternatives.

    As I fortunately don’t seek my sense of self-worth in the approval of complete strangers who don’t know me (personally or professionally) your mention of the loss of respect sounds as silly to me as when texas brought it up. When you’re out on the sidewalk puffing away with your pals and slandering someone you’ve never met (and whom they’ve never heard of) I expect it might sound a bit funny to them too.

    :-)

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