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  • #598700

    hammerhead
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    I do not have kids. I am hoping you parents out there are keeping up the new designer drugs. Even I am scared. I am not wanting to get into a drug debate, but this is very alarming.

    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/bath-salts-drug-dangers

    Komo 4 had a story on it.

    #722939

    austin
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    Here is a link.

    http://www.kirotv.com/news/27614371/detail.html

    Apparently sales banned in washington state? Seems way nastier than even the marketing of salvia divinorum as a “legal high” pot substitute.

    #722940

    DBurns
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    NPR did a bit on this yesterday. Blows my mind – I mean who ever thought to snort bath salts???

    #722941

    MB
    Participant

    They aren’t REAL bath salts, just to clarify….they are just called bath salts.

    #722942

    MB
    Participant

    It actually worries me a bit that the term is being thrown around so loosely without clarifying the difference. I wonder if there will be a spike in the sale of ACTUAL bath salts, for the bath tub, by uninformed people who think they are buying a drug. They are NOT the same thing.

    #722943

    transplantella
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    I saw that story too and was completely perplexed.

    I couldn’t figure why anybody would snuff bath salts? And then discovered that bath salts weren’t bath salts? What if somebody read the ‘bath salt’ label and put them in the bath and then they weren’t bath salts and so nothing happened in their tubful of water?

    And now these bath salts have been banned because stupid people were huffing them. Is this the fault of the bath salt?

    I can’t make sense of any of it.

    #722944

    …I believe that’s called “slang”.

    Seriously though, the stuff sounds pretty scary. An extremely knowledgeable person (read: druggie who does his research) told me today “If you’re a crackhead and do it you’ll forget about crack. It’s supercrack”. I’m either getting old or the world is getting weirder because I’d never heard of this until today, and the whole country is freaking out about it.

    #722945

    MB
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    Ya, I had never heard of it until the news started talking about it. We were just discussing this amongst friends tonight, all of us in our late 20s, and we all kinda had the “what the…?” response…even the one with the most experience in things of this nature. I’m going to ask my teenage cousins about this stuff on Easter and see what they know. The news has quite the “everybody’s doing it” tone. When did I become the “adult” who hasn’t heard of a new drug fad?

    #722946

    chrisma
    Participant

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone

    It’s a long entry but has some good information. [emphasis below is mine]

    Mephedrone is also unscheduled in the United States. The Drug Enforcement Administration state that as an analogue of methcathinone, possession of mephedrone can be controlled by the Federal Analog Act, but according to the Los Angeles Times this only applies if it is sold for human consumption. Several cities and states have passed legislation to specifically list mephedrone as illegal, but in most areas it is legal, so long as it is not sold for human consumption and therefore retailers describe it as ‘bath salts’. Mephedrone is currently illegal in Michigan, North Dakota, Louisiana, and Florida.

    And presumably now also illegal in Washington State.

    If the active ingredient in these “bath salts” is actually this specific substance, Mephedrone, I don’t understand why none of the reporting so far has mentioned it by name and given a clear explanation of how this stuff can be sold legally.

    #722947

    chrisma
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    More from Wiki on Mephedrone:

    Intended effects

    Users have reported that mephedrone causes euphoria, stimulation, an enhanced appreciation for music, an elevated mood, decreased hostility, improved mental function and mild sexual stimulation; these effects are similar to the effects of cocaine, amphetamines and MDMA. These effects last different amounts of time, depending on the way the drug is taken. When taken orally, users report they can feel the effects within 15–45 minutes, when snorted the effects are felt within minutes and peak within half an hour. The effects last for between two and three hours when taken orally or nasally, but only half an hour if taken intravenously. Out of 70 Dutch users of mephedrone, 58 described it as an overall pleasant experience and 12 described it as an unpleasant experience. A survey of UK users, who had previously taken cocaine, found that most users found it produced a better quality and longer lasting high, was less addictive and carried the same risk as using cocaine.

    Side effects

    The ECMDDA reported that mephedrone can cause various unintended side effects including: poor concentration, teeth grinding, problems focusing visually, poor short-term memory, hallucinations, delusions, erratic behaviour and dilated pupils. They noted that the most severe effects appear anecdotally to be linked with high doses or prolonged usage and that the effects may be due to users taking other intoxicants at the same time. Other effects that users in internet forums have noted include changes in body temperature, increased heart rate, breathing difficulties, loss of appetite, increased sweating, discolouration of extremeties, anxiety, paranoia and depression. When snorted it can also cause nose bleeds, and nose burns. A survey conducted by the National Addiction Centre, UK found that 67% of mephedrone users experienced sweating, 51% suffered from headaches, 43% from heart palpitations, 27% from nausea and 15% from cold or blue fingers, indicative of vasoconstriction occurring. Doctors at Guy’s Hospital, London reported that of 15 patients they treated after taking mephedrone in 2009, 53% were agitated, 40% had increased heart rates, 20% had systolic hypertension and 20% had seizures; three required treatment with benzodiazepines, predominantly to control their agitation. They reported that none of their patients suffered from cold or blue peripheries, contrary to other reports. Nine out of the 15 of patients had a Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) of 15 indicating that they were in a normal mental state, 4 had a GCS below 8, but these patients all reported using a central nervous system depressant, most commonly GHB, with mephedrone. The patients also reported polydrug use of a variety of compounds.

    #722948

    DBurns
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    Okay – now I feel a little less crazy – I guess I just caught the tail end of the NPR piece and thought, “Bath Salts, Really?” but now I get that it’s slang – although still seems a little weird – now I just feel so old!

    #722949

    WSMom
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    Since it’s real name is methadrone I think it should be called “methadrone, commonly known as bath salts” in the media. The Seattle Times is reporting that police think the recent double murder suicide may be linked to use of this drug. This stuff sounds scary.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014851970_bathsalts23m.html

    #722950

    dawsonct
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    Hey! At least they aren’t smoking marijuana!

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