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[villagegreen]

Job – Of course a lot of ‘old ladies’ voted for Clinton for good reasons. She looks like you and her policies are in line with the Democratic party’s. Unfortunately for her, she just happened to run up against a better nominee for the current zeitgeist. People want ‘change’, and however vapid that may sound to you, it’s a real force. The next Democratic president will have an opportunity to build a new more inclusive Democratic party. We are poised to take back what was stolen by the Republican party in the 80’s. Hillary Clinton just isn’t the right person for this job. No matter how she relates to the ‘working class’ or how righteous her policies are, she’s still viewed as too divisive by too many people. She may not deserve that label, but nonetheless, it’s a fact.

And duh, her acceptance speech in W Virginia was less divisive because she doesn’t want to upset any more superdelegates by bashing Obama. Her last ditch hope was to remain in the race and somehow convince superdelegates that she has a better shot against McCain due to her ‘working class’ supporters. She doesn’t want to be seen as hurting the party by staying in the race, so she’s toned down her attacks on Obama. Unfortunately, she’s hurting the party by staying in the race regardless of her new found ‘highroad’ approach.

You still seem to misinterpret the anger many Obama supporters feel towards Hillary. It isn’t directed (or shouldn’t be) at her policies and what she’s done as a Senator, it’s directed at the type of campaign she’s run and the fact that she still refuses to make a gracious exit from the race so the party can unite. You say Obama/his supporters should “start thinking about what it might take to convince some of those voters who weren’t so convinced.” It’s quite apparent to me what it will take – Hillary needs to graciously exit the race and start throwing her support behind Obama. As long as she stays in the race, her supporters will become more and more entrenched in their view that Obama doesn’t understand their plight. This election was decided many many months ago. People’s minds were made up long ago and there isn’t anything either one of them can do to change how it will play out. Each state has gone exactly as expected based on demographic makeup. If you want the Democrats to win in the fall as badly as you say you do, our best hope is for Hillary to get out now and give Obama the time to win over her supporters (with her help). The longer she stays in it, the less time he’ll have to do that. Simple as that.

[JoB]

NewResident…

I am not the one who made the statement that Obama couldn’t get a security clearance.. and am not going to do the search to find the info…

I just stated that on the face of it, it is a difficult assertion to back.

if you know something worth repeating.. repeat it.

if not. then you can say anything you want to about anyone.. but it doesn’t do much for your credibility when you choose to back statements with the.. is so.. prove me wrong… defense.

[WSMom]

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1448591420080514

Three former U.S. SEC chairmen endorse Obama

“Each of us has been committed to prudent economic policy and effective financial regulation for many years,” they said in a joint statement along with former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, also an Obama supporter.

“We believe Senator Obama can provide the positive leadership and judgment needed to take us to a stronger and more secure economic future.”

In the statement they praised Obama’s “reasoned approach” in analyzing “the current financial crisis and the need for balanced regulatory reform.”

“We believe that such a constructive approach can be extended broadly in the economic area as well as elsewhere,” they said.

Even the SEC doesn’t trust the GOP — If Wall Street is going Democratic, the Republicans should be very worried!!

[charlabob]

NR, there’s a lot to overcome on your side :-)

Here’s a sad, funny story that sounds like something the left would do…except we didn’t: Limbaugh has been conducting “operation chaos” to bring chaos to the Dems by nominating Clinton. (hmmmm.) Anyway, this involves getting Repuglicans to change their registrations and vote for Clinton in the primary. So far so good — worked great in Mississippi — worked even greater (for our side) when, in the special election to fill Trent Lott’s seat, there weren’t enough Repugs left to vote in their candidate, so the Dem won.

[Kayleigh]

It’s just so disheartening, charla.

Here Obama is, an honorable man, even a touch noble and more than a little statesman-like. He’s touched millions of people who had given up on the political process–and done so in ways that people haven’t been touched since RFK and JFK.

He struggles to promote hope and unity and to rise above the political dirtiness, while Hillary and the bigots and the Angry Republican White Guys and Rev. Wright and god-knows-who-else reach up and pull him down.

And McCain, Angry Republican White Guy Who Pretends He’s Not Really Like That And Millions of People Believe Him, gets a free pass in the media, with the Independents, with the swing voters…

Un-frickin’-believable.

[charlabob]

Hyperventilating works for me, KL ;-) Along with a whole bunch of screaming. It is still the isolated fringe. One of the reasons I’ve been looking at it is because I’m seriously involved with something called the J-street lobby; aligned with the peace movements here and in Israel. The right is getting shrill because they know they’re being found out. People are starting to understand who their real enemies are.

[beachdrivegirl]

JoB she was not doing her job. When she says that McCain has more experience than Obama that is demoralizing to the Democatic nominatiion process. Hillary just finally admitted her defeat when she finally decided to speak postiivly about Obama. And quite frankly, I think it is time you stop defending hillary. The process is over in a few days and Obama is the nominee. So for someone that wants so much “unity” I suggest you start practicing it.

[beachdrivegirl]

JoB she was not doing her job. When she says that McCain has more experience than Obama that is demoralizing to the Democatic nominatiion process. Hillary just finally admitted her defeat when she finally decided to speak postiivly about Obama. And quite frankly, I think it is time you stop defending hillary. The process is over in a few days and Obama is the nominee. So for someone that wants so much “unity” I suggest you start practicing it.

[JenV]

Big news, Charla! Thanks for sharing! I will never understand how a same sex couple being married has any effect on an opposite sex couple.

[charlabob]

I’ll help you out here — this started with Daniel Pipes and crew, from the extreme right wing of the Jewish Lobby. (I’m a card carrying member of the left wing of the Jewish Lobby — you know, the ones who know what’s the real danger to our beloved state of Israel.)

Posting links still seems broken so look up Obama+Security Clearance and you’ll get a frightening eyeful. Meantime, look up Prescott Bush+Nazi and wonder how any Bush ever got in the front door of any government agency. :-)

[JoB]

New Resident..

as a matter of fact.. yes i am VERY familiar with the FBI screening process…

Please tell me just what it is you think Senator Obama has done that would actually stop him from passing their screening.

I agree.. he wouldn’t get past the current republican only filter.. but other than being a democrat…

and remember.. it’s isn’t what you suspect.. it’s what you actually know and can document that matters…

As for McCain…

neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama is a dummy..

In fact, when it comes time for debates with McCain… i think that will become abundantly clear.

both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have experience in the same arena as Senator McCain. None of them has governor’s experience which is generally considered the most relevant.

Senator Clinton has had more exposure to the White House than Senator McCain… even in the last two republican administrations.. he has not exactly been an insider.

I will agree that he is Republican…

[JoB]

Walfredo…

I get that you hate Hillary…

I get that you are consistent…

I get that you blame her for anything and everything.

I don’t think there is a single person who reads this blog that doesn’t understand that this campaign for you has been about defeating Hillary and being part of a winning campaign.

You didn’t leave any doubt.

Here’s the problem with blaming Hillary.

IT WAS NEVER HER JOB AS A CANDIDATE TO MAKE AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY LOOK GOOD.

AS A CANDIDATE IT WAS HER JOB TO UNCOVER EVERY WEAKNESS HE HAD.

Frankly, I don’t think she did a very good job of it or she would have the nomination.

So get over the fact that she did her job.

If Obama has the nomination.. as you haven’t stopped proclaiming for months now… then it is long past time to start creating that overwhelming majority that it will take to actually secure a democratic presidency…

because if the last two presidential elections should have taught us anything .. it is that there is no such thing as a close vote with Republicans.

And i have to tell you.. you aren’t doing such a good job of that.

If i wasn’t committed to securing a democratic presidency this fall.. you personally would long ago have alienated me right out of voting at all…

If i am that disgusted… imagine how others who aren’t so committed feel.

If you want to be part of that winning team this fall perhaps it’s time to start actually practicing some of that unity that Obama preaches.

[walfredo]

JoB- which clip to you think gets played when the general starts? Her quotes now, or her “John McCain has a lifetime of service, and passes the commander and chief test. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”? Not to mention her response to William Ayers question in the debate… I believe you served on a committe board with him…

I’m not going to continue bashing Clinton as a person, or candidate. I understand her importance to the party, and the election in November, but it really isn’t true to say that this has been her tone consistently. She stepped over what is consdiered inbounds during primaries more then a few times, and has provided a lot of ammunition in the fall for the opposition party.

[charlabob]

The California Supreme Court just overturned a voter-approved initiative banning gay marriage. There is another initiative on the ballot in November, but between now and then same-sex marriage is legal in California — along with Massachusetts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24649689/

[Anonymous]

JoB – I have already admitted on this forum, several times, my lack of enthusiasm that McCain is our candidate.

I have already addressed the question as to *why* I am Republican.

I will vote for McCain because:

a) He is the Republican nominee

b) He’s no dummy

c) He has the experience that I think one should be required to have to run for President

Obviously, I could delve deeper into every issue, but I would rather people read my posts than just skim over them.

I know that Tonya42 can, obviously, answer for herself, however, the point that she made was a very good one and a legitimate one. Have you personally worked for the FBI? Are you familiar with their hiring process? I had a very good friend interview (extensively) for the FBI. I can tell you, based only on what I personally know, Obama would not meet the qualifications.

[JoB]

beachdrivegirl…

contrary to popular opinion..

hillary has stated all along that she would work her tail off to elect whoever the democratic nominee was…

it’s not news that she is doing so now…

She has always been the class act that you are suddenly going to discover if Obama gets the nomination…

in fact.. he counts on it.

So does the party.

[JoB]

Tonya..

“If the FBI were running a background check to verify Barack Obama’s application to be an agent …his “friends” as well as his overall background would disqualify him from holding the sensitive position”

What???????

Is this just a personal opinion?

because no group he has ever joined that i know of would disqualify him from FBI clearance…

As for his friends.. the FBI actually differentiates between friends and casual associations…

His work as a Illinios legislator wouldn’t bar him.. tho doing well there does require a certain bending of ethical standards…

His work as a US Seantor wouldn’t bar him… and he wasn’t barred from overseas travel based on a lack of clearance…

The schools he attended wouldn’t bar him from service.. in fact, the opposite is true.

so.. please explain.

Opinions are fine as long as you can back them with some kind of evidence…

[JoB]

I think it is more fun to go away for a while and come back to read multiple posts…

You guys are all over the place.

Racism exists. You don’t make it go away by rising above it in a election. You have to actually educate people as to why they should overlook your race in making their decision.

Senator Obama may rise so far above racism in this election that he loses the presidency for democrats….

The same is true of predominantly blue collar workers. By concentrating on the race issue.. you lose the point that he is not doing so well there either… and it may have nothing to do with race… in fact, it probably doesn’t.

As for all of us “deluded” old ladies.. maybe we voted for Clinton for good reasons and not delusions.

This campaign is incredibly divisive… but not from the Clinton side. Did you actually listen to her acceptance speech in West Virginia…

probably not. It would have shattered too many delusions.

don’t you think it’s time you get over yourselves.. how wonderful you and your campaign is.. and start thinking about what it might take to convince some of those voters who weren’t so convinced?

Because you will need them this fall.

In fact, if the democrats are going to win in the fall.. you will need Hillary.

now isn’t that a cosmic joke.

[JoB]

ther is a spam museum in Minnesota.

i kid you not.

Hubby was intrigued so we drove three hours to get there.

Spam has been a Hawaiian Islands staple since World War II…

You should see the amount of Spam that goes through the costcos there.

i too would move back to Hawaii..

got Island fever the first time.. but i think i am a little more settled now:)

[charlabob]

This is a test (reply to NR and BDG, 800 amd 801) I did post…this; it appeared on the list and looked to me like it was really there. SO I’m reposting (old news) simply to see if it works or if we have a new version of our old links turn to spam (spam links? a new taste treat).

John Edwards to endorse Barack Obama tonight, at an event in Detroit. (That Latte sipping, bierkenstock wearing upper class elitist town we all know and love.) (Thanks, JenV, for sending me on a chase for this lovely goose.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24628804/

[beachdrivegirl]

And this post has my laughing myself.. and i nearly skimmed on over it.

[Anonymous]

Education is over-rated. Curiosity and the desire to learn, is much more important. As well as being willing to challenge what we think we know. Every one who participates here is a part of that process and no *one* is more important than the other.

[walfredo]

I actually don’t hate republicans, I do very much hate George W. Bush and his administration (as do 80% of Americans right now). I don’t have time to go through point by point what I referred to above, but it is absolutely correct that this administration has acted above the law, and broken it on numreous occassions… Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force as a last resort, and he falsified intelligence, and falsified experts, and disregarded all evidence to the contrary, and fired all generals that disagreed to present a blatant lie to the world about our reasons to invade Iraq.

Which by the way, he has changed what those reasons were at least 2 dozen times now (wmd’s, imminent threat, mushroom cloud, spread democracy to the region, remove Saddam, keep women out burkas, train an independant Iraq) where now the goal is to keep the shi* to shoe level, and hope less stuff explodes, while we occupy a foreign country, deplete our military, bankrupt our treasury, and his buddies get rich…

Why am I a democrat? I tend to lean democrat, but I am not a partisan. I would love a system that had more parties. I think there is an illusion of choice in this country. I have 65 different kinds of cereal I can choose at the grocery store, but clearly everyone is represented as there are only 2 types of people in America (R or D)…

I can absolutely tell you why I didn’t support GW Bush in 2000, 2004, and why anything short of a damning repudiation of the terrible mistake that American’s made in 2004 (the only time he actually was elected) would be a disaster for this country going forward.

We have been lied to, stolen from, our futures have been badly damaged, our families are less safe, our economy is in shambles, and we have generations of new enemies and deep hatred to deal with. It is imperative that America turn the page on this pathetic sack of shi* that has been in the white house the last 7+ years, and speak out loudly in opposition of all that he has stood for.

[Anonymous]

You know what, that reminds me of something.

When we first moved here in October, we drove past a little yard (more like a fenced side of a small hill), that had little goats there. I remember seeing people there, petting them.

Where is that? Was I hallucinating?

[Anonymous]

And I, too, am sorry, walfredo because your post wasn’t that accurate either.

Bush brought the idea of war to congress, it was voted on. Of course, this was back when everyone was actually upset that we were attacked. Does any one remember that?

I’m glad for you that you would finally be proud of your government if Obama wins. I would like to know, because I don’t think anyone has asked you point blank, why are you Democrat?

Ok, we know that you don’t agree with the war, but why else?