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[caboodle]

I’ve gone to Lien for over 15 years now, and highly recommend Dr. Tim Krabel there, he’s excellent with, and very very knowledgeable about, cats. His wife is a vet there too. I had a kitty (who meant the world to me) that made it to 19 with their helpful care, and when she passed away the staff sent a signed card and it was heartfelt. Their staff gets to know you and your pets, and I like that many of them have worked there for so long.

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Dr. Krabel is good at discussing options and costs and likely results, so you can try to make informed decisions in balancing medical procedures and tests versus the quality of life for your pet along with expenses.

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I take my two current kitties to see him and wouldn’t go anywhere else. Sometimes it just depends on the vet you see at a clinic, but I’ve had appointments with two other vets there and they were also very good.

[JoB]

No beachdrivegirl..

as a Hillary supporter i don’t think Obama’s supporters are just in the way…

i would fight to the death for the right of any one of them to state their case for their candidate. I just wish any of you could do so without the kinds of remarks that are in nearly every post about Hillary.

i don’t think what is going on could be categorized as asking Hillary politely to step down. I think it has been a long time since leveling charges and name calling were considered asking nicely… What has been happening is much more like a demand than asking nicely.

And it isn’t just Hillary you all want to step aside… you want anyone who isn’t willing to ignore any flaws in Obama .. or doesn’t agree with his political stance.. to step aside..

I don’t have disdain for those who support Obama… but i do have a fair amount of disdain for those tactics.

i have point out that educated whites and blacks are not the only democrats.. and certainly not the only voters in America… and i am accused of saying those are the only voters who count.

Well.. unless Senator Obama can find some way to reach out to those voters… which he is clearly not doing… they will become the voters who count this fall.. his lack of interest in what matters to them will lose him the election.

You are wrong that there is no other reason for Hillary to stay in the race than to cause animosity…

unless she stays in until the primaries are over…. there isn’t a chance that the democratic party will pay the least bit of attention to the policy concerns of those who don’t support Obama…

There are real differences that matter a great deal to me and to other voters like me. we weren’t voting anti-Obama.. but pro Hillary and the policies she stands for.

There is something much bigger at stake here than who wins the democratic primary… both at the convention and in the general election this fall.

Kayleigh..

what i had to say had nothing to do with my wounded vanity… contrary to popular opinion.. i am not identifying with Hillary so closely that i don’t understand the many differences between us.

or for that matter.. the objections i have to some of her political stances.

I spoke from the heart about the manipulation of our party’s politics once again by the republican party… and of the great peril i see in Obama’s nomination…

You can choose to call that sour grapes.. but i bring up points that would be worth considering if you want Obama to win the presidency.

I seem to have p..d off a few people here by saying what they don’t want to hear.

The problem is that the last 5 posts only show that some of you find it easier to insult the messenger than combat the message…

that might have something to do with why i feel the way i do today.

and might just be the insurmountable problem of the Obama campaign…

[Aim]

Hey all,

I know we’ve had discussions about vets before, but we need one who is specifically GREAT with cats. We’ve been to Lien and weren’t all that impressed.

My last vet, out in Redmond, is going to be REALLY hard to beat – they were careful to try to figure out what was going on first and then order only the tests to confirm, saving me money while still providing the best care. When my kitty ended up dying of cancer, they not only sent me a giant bouquet of flowers, they found out that a friend had also sent me one, and waited a few days so I’d have new flowers when the first ones died. In addition, everyone in the office signed the card with a special memory of my kitty, or what they liked best about him. WAY above and beyond. Yet they weren’t horrifically expensive.

Anyone know of a comparable type of experience here? Our little boy Sam has all the symptoms of hyperthyroid, and is the right age for it. I don’t want someone who’s going to run tests for everything that ever existed when we’re already pretty sure we know what’s up.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

[JoB]

LOL…

Tonya 42…

it’s clear you did take the time to follow charlabob’s link…

Much ado bout nothing I am afraid.

it’s still not considered an unAmerican activity to have dinner with University Professors.. regardless of their political views.

In fact, some people actually cultivate friends with differing backgrounds and ideas from their own to learn more…

i know.. odd concept, isn’t it.. to hang out with people who don’t always agree with you.

if you actually have insider knowldege of the process of FBI clearances… and the sort of insinuations you mentioned would be enough to prevent an applicant from service… it was good of you to point out why it is so important for ordinary citizens to have the protection of that little paper we call a constitution.

BTW.. i don’t think you want us to dredge up a list of who Senator McCain has broken bread with in the past 20 years… Now that would be some list:)

New resident…

So now, being educated is bad? Yes, I am better educated than you.

But the most important and currently relevant part of that education comes from never ceasing to educate myself..

which you can do as easily without a degree as with. Some of the most intelligent people i know are self educated.

You are certainly smart enough to question why you think the way you do… read information that both agrees and disagrees with you.. and then weight that information against your personal experience.

That’s what i have done.

As for not thinking it is ok to make a reasoned argument by using parables… when you deny any person the right to support their opinions with parables (their own stories) … you deny your right to use anyone’s experience as validation.

In other words.. you don’t get to use your stories of your sweeties job hunt to illustrate your perception of reverse discrimination.

worse.. you silence some of the most powerful words known to man… including the bible.

not such a good idea.

I use to stories to illustrate and to back solid information with experience. We all do.. even you.

As to my lack of credibility.. i think you will search vainly for any evidence in any of my posts that equate Senator Obama with unAmerican activities..

unless of course you consider being a politician in itself an unAmerican activity. I have certainly accused him of that.

i think a case could be made for equating politicians with actvities that are not in the best interest of the American people… but that would disqualify Senator McCain equally… if not more since he has so much more experience.

I am afraid that all i have done is make a good case for Senator Obama being a politician… and not the anti-establishment icon presented to the voters.

But he has never indulged in the kinds of contacts and nefarious dealings that are the hallmark of Senator McCain’s political career…

and one doesn’t even have to bother concocting bizarre associations to connect John McCain directly to some pretty nefarious dealings.

in case you forget.. there is always that lovely video of a young John McCain frolicking with his captors on the beach…

they say a picture is worth a thousand words…

[WSMom]

How is it a “fact” that McCain has a better chance in Nov than Obama?

[Tonya42]

Thanks NewResident, that is a lovely compliment,I appreciate it.

WSMom, I don’t rely on a particular source nor do I glean what suits my argument, what I stated was fact. I agree with you that much of America is disheartened, there’s no denying that.

Is electing a closet socialist the answer? Not likely. Would it be the worst thing to happen to the U.S? Of course not but so far Obama is cutting off his nose despite his face, he keeps getting “caught”.

Beachdrivegirl, I admire your passion but your innocence (ignorance) is blocking your view. You say:

” dont think that the “list” of “shady” associates is going to hurt Obama’s connections in the fall.”

This is not pragmatic, it’s already severely damaged him. There is more to come I am sure, if Obama continues to slip and slide his way thru these things, he’ll be toast.

“Obama is bringing out new voters and pulling in independents because most people are very concerned at wehre our country is headed.”

Every election the Dems rely on the youth vote and every election they are let down. There is much fanfare but it never amounts to anything. Not a good place to put all your eggs.

Also, whichever candidate wins, more will defect to McCain than vote for the Dem winner, or so I keep reading.

” We are nearing a depression and we are in a war that never needed to start.”

Umm, where to begin with this one, we are nowhere near a “depression” and it greatly undermines the credence or your position for you to even suggest.

I do love your name, I wish I’d have thought of it.

[beachdrivegirl]

The funny thing is Charlabob I thought it was because of me. Because JoB decided to tell me I was elite and shared in House’s ideas. I made a joke of it and shared it with House in his post becuase I didnt know if he would read the Hot for Hillary thread. I dont feel bad for telling him about it or posting on his House update thread beacuse quite frankly it is just silly to think House and I share the same pricniples I think we (house and I) even had a few disputes over homelessness etc. and I thought I would give House a laugh.

[WSMom]

Hey Tonya, I’m not sure where you’re getting your info, but McCain’s chances in November are sounding pretty slim to me…

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90451351

“Americans are feeling pessimistic about the direction the country is heading, a new bipartisan NPR poll suggests. They’re increasingly leaning toward alignment with the Democratic Party and divided over their choices for president in the fall.

An unprecedented 80 percent of likely voters surveyed said the United States is on the wrong track — a huge jump from the 68 percent who felt that way in the previous NPR poll in January.

The latest dissatisfaction level is reflected in other polls conducted recently by the Gallup Organization and several newspapers and TV networks.

When asked about the job President Bush is doing, 65 percent of respondents overall said they disapproved and a bare majority, 51 percent, said they disapproved strongly.

That might help explain why, after years of near-equity between the parties, more voters called themselves Democrats than Republicans by a difference of 10 percentage points.”

[Tonya42]

I hate seeing the government stick their nose where it doesn’t belong but in this case it may have been the wise thing to do, making it legal is the fair thing to do.

[charlabob]

My apologies to other readers — this is apparently personal and I can’t just ignore it any longer.

JoB, you’re an intelligent woman so I can’t believe you believe what you’re saying. I realize the “hostility that carries over to other threads” crack is aimed at me, because I was making fun of myself on an auction thread. So you, apparently, assume you know my motives better than I do. You’re wrong, and I would add, quite arrogant to assume that.

The fact is you were talking about a scavenger hunt and I was making fun of myself because, for those of you who haven’t met me, I can barely walk, never mind hunt. So hopping from yard sale to yard sale just wasn’t in my future. I was, to say the least, quite stunned and bemused to hear I was carrying my political bias into nonpolitical threads.

That incident is not even slightly interesting except it is how you relate to the Obama campaign as well — you make up a straw person and then rage against it. It won’t work. People are smarter than that. I give them credit.

I challenge many of your beliefs–out loud–in public; that means I loathe you. Nope. I challenge much of what Clinton claims to believe, because the Clinton family doesn’t have a very good track record with regard to implementation of their beliefs. That means I hate them? Nope.

Fact is, I believe you, personally, are responsible for much of the animosity in the political forums here. People type on tiptoe or risk being attacked. For most people, it’s not worth it, so they don’t type at all.

I believe the people here do listen to each other. One way you can tell? Quite frequently, person A says, “foo”. Person B says “Foo? But what about Foo” Person B says, “Maybe, but I still think foo.” See, that’s conversation. When one person says “foo” and the next person says, “How dare you, you brute?” That ain’t conversation. That’s passive aggression, at its best and worst.

The only thing you said with which I can agree is: This is just one woman’s experience. It is; it’s a unique experience, which you have created for yourself.

I’m responding because I know words have a power and most people don’t bother to dig beneath them for the truth. The millionaire candidate with the fewest millions and the poorest background is the elitist. The black candidate is the racist. The preacher who tells the truth is the crazy man. The preacher who encourages bias of every kind is the holy man.

I worry that people not consumed with politics will see “Obama supporters are mean people who don’t include anyone,” and go away believing it. It’s not true. It is not true of the people on this forum and it is not true of the people in general.

My apologies, as I said, to people not interested in this feud — which, I imagine, is most of us and usually me.

[JoB]

Villagegreen…

would that what you believe was so…

the anger is not directed at Hillary but at her campaign tactics?

sorry. that’s too much of a revisionist stretch for me.

how do you explain the huge anybody but Hillary campaign prior to her so called campaign tactics… before Obama was a viable candidate?

As for the tactics.. If you look at the tactics of both campaigns objectively… you will find that there were plenty of hi-jinks on both sides…

objectively. there is real question as to who threw the first punch… but i still believe it isn’t much of a problem to document that it was the Obama campaign.

So why are her campaign tactics an excuse for the anger directed at her?

If there was no anger directed at Hillary, why was Obama’s race off limits when Hillary’s sex clearly wasn’t? she was dismissed loudly and often as “just a housewife” and her political experience dismissed as “just a spouse”… by democrats.

those would be fighting words used against you or someone you love describing their contributions to a lifetime partnership…

yet those words were used repeatedly on this blog.

I actually visited the Huffington blog and the daily KOS and others who made mincemeat of Hillary daily.

Tell me.. what liberal political site can you refer to that did the same to Obama?

I was specific because the Republican press doesn’t count.. though that and more has been attributed to her. She has been blamed for the republican tactics used against her.

and if you look at the stats.. you will find that even while Obama was getting bad press.. her negative mentions still often exceeded his.

this has been a dirty campaign.. but not a dirty campaign waged by the Hillary camp…

The only place you will find evidence to the contrary is on highly biased blogs that made a Clinton witch hunt a priority…

I don’t think you would be so proud of Adrianna Huffington speaking for you if you actually took a good look at her.

yet, she has single handedly had more to do with setting the tone of this campaign than any other media source. She puts Karl to shame.. but then.. it seems she learned from him:)

Or was it from her one time idol, John McCain?

The republican press and anti-Hillary blogs have completely distorted both the publics perception of Hillary and this primary.

And the republican press isn’t done yet…

[beachdrivegirl]

JoB-

As a hilllary supporter dont you think that we Obama suppoprters are in her way as well???While infact, we our supporting the canidate who has the most contests won, more delegates won, majority of popular vote, and (drum roll please)superdelegates! And it is mathmatically impossible for Clinton to win. I think it the fact that we ask her nicely to move on with her political career is perfectly fine. There is no reason (other than to cuase anomisty in the party and make her supporters believe that Obama can’t beat McCain) for her to stay in the party. You even mention this in your post wehn you say you dont belive Obama can we the election in November so she is on to something. Did you not ready WSMoms link that addressed the issues? I think that if you actually got over the “hillary is the best attitude” you would realize that in fact Obama and Clinton’s policies are very similar the difference is Obama does not bring division into the election process he brings not only change but unity. Call us inclusive all you want but honeslty i think that is more the clinton circle because clinton is the wont hat has brainwasehd her supporters to actually believe the b.s. she has preached about her being more electable and actually having more fo the popular vote etc.

Again, if you give it out and call people names you have to be able to take it. I am sorry if you cant.

And lastly, i dont think that Hillary consisttently bad mouthing obama and saying McCAin is more electable is actually telling her supporets to support the nominee.

[JoB]

unfortunately… they will just appeal it to the supreme court.. and right now that doesn’t look so good.

I agree. there is no reason why same sex couples should not have the same rights and protections of marriage as heterosexuals…

[JoB]

i wouldn’t have to keep defending Hillary’s right to exist as a candidate if it wasn’t continually assaulted here every day.

It’s still not her job to make Obama’s presidency.

Or mine.. for that matter.

It is only her job when he has the nomination.

i agree.. it looks like he will get it… but i don’t think that’s a good thing.

one of the largest reasons i don’t think it is a good thing is because the half of the party who supports Obama thinks that the other half is just in their way.

So it should come as no surprise that i think that denying the those who support her their right to be heard through the next couple of weeks is not a good thing.

While you are all doing your little premature victory dance.. and wanting all those stubborn Clinton supporters to just shut up… you might just ask yourselves how you are going to get him elected without the other half of the party.

What exactly is it you think we owe you.. if you don’t even think we have the right to be heard?

I didn’t approachthis campaign as a NOT-Obama campaign tho my stance on this forum has evolved to that from the need to daily defend Hillary’s right to even be in the campaign.

More than that.. on more than one occasion.. i have had to fend off personal insults simply because some of you don’t like what i have to say… so much so that the nastiness carried over to other non-political threads.

I have actually seriously considered giving up this forum entirely.. due to the animosity i have experienced here.

Because on this forum.. excepting WSMom… the Obama campaign has been waged as a NOT-Hillary campaign… not as a pro-Obama campaign. I believe this has been a campaign of personality in the worst way…

and it has been responsible for creating more than a fair amount of resistance to Senator Obama in my heart and mind. In fact, if i had to go campaign for him today.. i couldn’t.

And you Obama supporters on this thread can thank yourselves for that.

I honestly can’t think of one reason why he should be our president other than the fact that he is not a Republican. And as i told New Resident… i honestly think electing someone because they are not someone else is the worst reason possible…

So, i honestly believe that many of you have supported him for the worst reason possible… and

I don’t expect anything good to come of it.

To be honest, i don’t even expect us to win in November with him as our candidate… and that breaks my heart.

I will find some way to get past this and mobilize my precinct if he is the nominee.. but if this conversation continues the way it has..

i will have to give up this forum to do it.

that is just one woman’s experience.. but i sure doesn’t say much for the inclusiveness of this campaign.

i guess inclusive really means that you will grant others the right to be heard only if they will agree with you.

JT..

Senator Clinton has said repeatedly throughout this campaign that she would support any nominee chosen by the party 100%.. and that she would expect her supporters to do the same.

That it hasn’t been news until they decided it looked like concessions… doesn’t make it a new stance.

[beachdrivegirl]

First, very well said Villagegreen. Your post showed as I was writing above and secondly great day for Obama as seven of Edwards delegates have swapped to support Obama!

[villagegreen]

Job – Of course a lot of ‘old ladies’ voted for Clinton for good reasons. She looks like you and her policies are in line with the Democratic party’s. Unfortunately for her, she just happened to run up against a better nominee for the current zeitgeist. People want ‘change’, and however vapid that may sound to you, it’s a real force. The next Democratic president will have an opportunity to build a new more inclusive Democratic party. We are poised to take back what was stolen by the Republican party in the 80’s. Hillary Clinton just isn’t the right person for this job. No matter how she relates to the ‘working class’ or how righteous her policies are, she’s still viewed as too divisive by too many people. She may not deserve that label, but nonetheless, it’s a fact.

And duh, her acceptance speech in W Virginia was less divisive because she doesn’t want to upset any more superdelegates by bashing Obama. Her last ditch hope was to remain in the race and somehow convince superdelegates that she has a better shot against McCain due to her ‘working class’ supporters. She doesn’t want to be seen as hurting the party by staying in the race, so she’s toned down her attacks on Obama. Unfortunately, she’s hurting the party by staying in the race regardless of her new found ‘highroad’ approach.

You still seem to misinterpret the anger many Obama supporters feel towards Hillary. It isn’t directed (or shouldn’t be) at her policies and what she’s done as a Senator, it’s directed at the type of campaign she’s run and the fact that she still refuses to make a gracious exit from the race so the party can unite. You say Obama/his supporters should “start thinking about what it might take to convince some of those voters who weren’t so convinced.” It’s quite apparent to me what it will take – Hillary needs to graciously exit the race and start throwing her support behind Obama. As long as she stays in the race, her supporters will become more and more entrenched in their view that Obama doesn’t understand their plight. This election was decided many many months ago. People’s minds were made up long ago and there isn’t anything either one of them can do to change how it will play out. Each state has gone exactly as expected based on demographic makeup. If you want the Democrats to win in the fall as badly as you say you do, our best hope is for Hillary to get out now and give Obama the time to win over her supporters (with her help). The longer she stays in it, the less time he’ll have to do that. Simple as that.

[JoB]

NewResident…

I am not the one who made the statement that Obama couldn’t get a security clearance.. and am not going to do the search to find the info…

I just stated that on the face of it, it is a difficult assertion to back.

if you know something worth repeating.. repeat it.

if not. then you can say anything you want to about anyone.. but it doesn’t do much for your credibility when you choose to back statements with the.. is so.. prove me wrong… defense.

[WSMom]

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1448591420080514

Three former U.S. SEC chairmen endorse Obama

“Each of us has been committed to prudent economic policy and effective financial regulation for many years,” they said in a joint statement along with former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, also an Obama supporter.

“We believe Senator Obama can provide the positive leadership and judgment needed to take us to a stronger and more secure economic future.”

In the statement they praised Obama’s “reasoned approach” in analyzing “the current financial crisis and the need for balanced regulatory reform.”

“We believe that such a constructive approach can be extended broadly in the economic area as well as elsewhere,” they said.

Even the SEC doesn’t trust the GOP — If Wall Street is going Democratic, the Republicans should be very worried!!

[charlabob]

NR, there’s a lot to overcome on your side :-)

Here’s a sad, funny story that sounds like something the left would do…except we didn’t: Limbaugh has been conducting “operation chaos” to bring chaos to the Dems by nominating Clinton. (hmmmm.) Anyway, this involves getting Repuglicans to change their registrations and vote for Clinton in the primary. So far so good — worked great in Mississippi — worked even greater (for our side) when, in the special election to fill Trent Lott’s seat, there weren’t enough Repugs left to vote in their candidate, so the Dem won.

[Kayleigh]

It’s just so disheartening, charla.

Here Obama is, an honorable man, even a touch noble and more than a little statesman-like. He’s touched millions of people who had given up on the political process–and done so in ways that people haven’t been touched since RFK and JFK.

He struggles to promote hope and unity and to rise above the political dirtiness, while Hillary and the bigots and the Angry Republican White Guys and Rev. Wright and god-knows-who-else reach up and pull him down.

And McCain, Angry Republican White Guy Who Pretends He’s Not Really Like That And Millions of People Believe Him, gets a free pass in the media, with the Independents, with the swing voters…

Un-frickin’-believable.

[charlabob]

Hyperventilating works for me, KL ;-) Along with a whole bunch of screaming. It is still the isolated fringe. One of the reasons I’ve been looking at it is because I’m seriously involved with something called the J-street lobby; aligned with the peace movements here and in Israel. The right is getting shrill because they know they’re being found out. People are starting to understand who their real enemies are.

[beachdrivegirl]

JoB she was not doing her job. When she says that McCain has more experience than Obama that is demoralizing to the Democatic nominatiion process. Hillary just finally admitted her defeat when she finally decided to speak postiivly about Obama. And quite frankly, I think it is time you stop defending hillary. The process is over in a few days and Obama is the nominee. So for someone that wants so much “unity” I suggest you start practicing it.

[beachdrivegirl]

JoB she was not doing her job. When she says that McCain has more experience than Obama that is demoralizing to the Democatic nominatiion process. Hillary just finally admitted her defeat when she finally decided to speak postiivly about Obama. And quite frankly, I think it is time you stop defending hillary. The process is over in a few days and Obama is the nominee. So for someone that wants so much “unity” I suggest you start practicing it.

[JenV]

Big news, Charla! Thanks for sharing! I will never understand how a same sex couple being married has any effect on an opposite sex couple.

[charlabob]

I’ll help you out here — this started with Daniel Pipes and crew, from the extreme right wing of the Jewish Lobby. (I’m a card carrying member of the left wing of the Jewish Lobby — you know, the ones who know what’s the real danger to our beloved state of Israel.)

Posting links still seems broken so look up Obama+Security Clearance and you’ll get a frightening eyeful. Meantime, look up Prescott Bush+Nazi and wonder how any Bush ever got in the front door of any government agency. :-)