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[JoB]

New Resident..

as a matter of fact.. yes i am VERY familiar with the FBI screening process…

Please tell me just what it is you think Senator Obama has done that would actually stop him from passing their screening.

I agree.. he wouldn’t get past the current republican only filter.. but other than being a democrat…

and remember.. it’s isn’t what you suspect.. it’s what you actually know and can document that matters…

As for McCain…

neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama is a dummy..

In fact, when it comes time for debates with McCain… i think that will become abundantly clear.

both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have experience in the same arena as Senator McCain. None of them has governor’s experience which is generally considered the most relevant.

Senator Clinton has had more exposure to the White House than Senator McCain… even in the last two republican administrations.. he has not exactly been an insider.

I will agree that he is Republican…

[JoB]

Walfredo…

I get that you hate Hillary…

I get that you are consistent…

I get that you blame her for anything and everything.

I don’t think there is a single person who reads this blog that doesn’t understand that this campaign for you has been about defeating Hillary and being part of a winning campaign.

You didn’t leave any doubt.

Here’s the problem with blaming Hillary.

IT WAS NEVER HER JOB AS A CANDIDATE TO MAKE AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY LOOK GOOD.

AS A CANDIDATE IT WAS HER JOB TO UNCOVER EVERY WEAKNESS HE HAD.

Frankly, I don’t think she did a very good job of it or she would have the nomination.

So get over the fact that she did her job.

If Obama has the nomination.. as you haven’t stopped proclaiming for months now… then it is long past time to start creating that overwhelming majority that it will take to actually secure a democratic presidency…

because if the last two presidential elections should have taught us anything .. it is that there is no such thing as a close vote with Republicans.

And i have to tell you.. you aren’t doing such a good job of that.

If i wasn’t committed to securing a democratic presidency this fall.. you personally would long ago have alienated me right out of voting at all…

If i am that disgusted… imagine how others who aren’t so committed feel.

If you want to be part of that winning team this fall perhaps it’s time to start actually practicing some of that unity that Obama preaches.

[walfredo]

JoB- which clip to you think gets played when the general starts? Her quotes now, or her “John McCain has a lifetime of service, and passes the commander and chief test. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”? Not to mention her response to William Ayers question in the debate… I believe you served on a committe board with him…

I’m not going to continue bashing Clinton as a person, or candidate. I understand her importance to the party, and the election in November, but it really isn’t true to say that this has been her tone consistently. She stepped over what is consdiered inbounds during primaries more then a few times, and has provided a lot of ammunition in the fall for the opposition party.

[charlabob]

The California Supreme Court just overturned a voter-approved initiative banning gay marriage. There is another initiative on the ballot in November, but between now and then same-sex marriage is legal in California — along with Massachusetts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24649689/

[Anonymous]

JoB – I have already admitted on this forum, several times, my lack of enthusiasm that McCain is our candidate.

I have already addressed the question as to *why* I am Republican.

I will vote for McCain because:

a) He is the Republican nominee

b) He’s no dummy

c) He has the experience that I think one should be required to have to run for President

Obviously, I could delve deeper into every issue, but I would rather people read my posts than just skim over them.

I know that Tonya42 can, obviously, answer for herself, however, the point that she made was a very good one and a legitimate one. Have you personally worked for the FBI? Are you familiar with their hiring process? I had a very good friend interview (extensively) for the FBI. I can tell you, based only on what I personally know, Obama would not meet the qualifications.

[JoB]

beachdrivegirl…

contrary to popular opinion..

hillary has stated all along that she would work her tail off to elect whoever the democratic nominee was…

it’s not news that she is doing so now…

She has always been the class act that you are suddenly going to discover if Obama gets the nomination…

in fact.. he counts on it.

So does the party.

[JoB]

Tonya..

“If the FBI were running a background check to verify Barack Obama’s application to be an agent …his “friends” as well as his overall background would disqualify him from holding the sensitive position”

What???????

Is this just a personal opinion?

because no group he has ever joined that i know of would disqualify him from FBI clearance…

As for his friends.. the FBI actually differentiates between friends and casual associations…

His work as a Illinios legislator wouldn’t bar him.. tho doing well there does require a certain bending of ethical standards…

His work as a US Seantor wouldn’t bar him… and he wasn’t barred from overseas travel based on a lack of clearance…

The schools he attended wouldn’t bar him from service.. in fact, the opposite is true.

so.. please explain.

Opinions are fine as long as you can back them with some kind of evidence…

[JoB]

I think it is more fun to go away for a while and come back to read multiple posts…

You guys are all over the place.

Racism exists. You don’t make it go away by rising above it in a election. You have to actually educate people as to why they should overlook your race in making their decision.

Senator Obama may rise so far above racism in this election that he loses the presidency for democrats….

The same is true of predominantly blue collar workers. By concentrating on the race issue.. you lose the point that he is not doing so well there either… and it may have nothing to do with race… in fact, it probably doesn’t.

As for all of us “deluded” old ladies.. maybe we voted for Clinton for good reasons and not delusions.

This campaign is incredibly divisive… but not from the Clinton side. Did you actually listen to her acceptance speech in West Virginia…

probably not. It would have shattered too many delusions.

don’t you think it’s time you get over yourselves.. how wonderful you and your campaign is.. and start thinking about what it might take to convince some of those voters who weren’t so convinced?

Because you will need them this fall.

In fact, if the democrats are going to win in the fall.. you will need Hillary.

now isn’t that a cosmic joke.

[JoB]

ther is a spam museum in Minnesota.

i kid you not.

Hubby was intrigued so we drove three hours to get there.

Spam has been a Hawaiian Islands staple since World War II…

You should see the amount of Spam that goes through the costcos there.

i too would move back to Hawaii..

got Island fever the first time.. but i think i am a little more settled now:)

[charlabob]

This is a test (reply to NR and BDG, 800 amd 801) I did post…this; it appeared on the list and looked to me like it was really there. SO I’m reposting (old news) simply to see if it works or if we have a new version of our old links turn to spam (spam links? a new taste treat).

John Edwards to endorse Barack Obama tonight, at an event in Detroit. (That Latte sipping, bierkenstock wearing upper class elitist town we all know and love.) (Thanks, JenV, for sending me on a chase for this lovely goose.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24628804/

[beachdrivegirl]

And this post has my laughing myself.. and i nearly skimmed on over it.

[Anonymous]

Education is over-rated. Curiosity and the desire to learn, is much more important. As well as being willing to challenge what we think we know. Every one who participates here is a part of that process and no *one* is more important than the other.

[walfredo]

I actually don’t hate republicans, I do very much hate George W. Bush and his administration (as do 80% of Americans right now). I don’t have time to go through point by point what I referred to above, but it is absolutely correct that this administration has acted above the law, and broken it on numreous occassions… Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force as a last resort, and he falsified intelligence, and falsified experts, and disregarded all evidence to the contrary, and fired all generals that disagreed to present a blatant lie to the world about our reasons to invade Iraq.

Which by the way, he has changed what those reasons were at least 2 dozen times now (wmd’s, imminent threat, mushroom cloud, spread democracy to the region, remove Saddam, keep women out burkas, train an independant Iraq) where now the goal is to keep the shi* to shoe level, and hope less stuff explodes, while we occupy a foreign country, deplete our military, bankrupt our treasury, and his buddies get rich…

Why am I a democrat? I tend to lean democrat, but I am not a partisan. I would love a system that had more parties. I think there is an illusion of choice in this country. I have 65 different kinds of cereal I can choose at the grocery store, but clearly everyone is represented as there are only 2 types of people in America (R or D)…

I can absolutely tell you why I didn’t support GW Bush in 2000, 2004, and why anything short of a damning repudiation of the terrible mistake that American’s made in 2004 (the only time he actually was elected) would be a disaster for this country going forward.

We have been lied to, stolen from, our futures have been badly damaged, our families are less safe, our economy is in shambles, and we have generations of new enemies and deep hatred to deal with. It is imperative that America turn the page on this pathetic sack of shi* that has been in the white house the last 7+ years, and speak out loudly in opposition of all that he has stood for.

[Anonymous]

You know what, that reminds me of something.

When we first moved here in October, we drove past a little yard (more like a fenced side of a small hill), that had little goats there. I remember seeing people there, petting them.

Where is that? Was I hallucinating?

[Anonymous]

And I, too, am sorry, walfredo because your post wasn’t that accurate either.

Bush brought the idea of war to congress, it was voted on. Of course, this was back when everyone was actually upset that we were attacked. Does any one remember that?

I’m glad for you that you would finally be proud of your government if Obama wins. I would like to know, because I don’t think anyone has asked you point blank, why are you Democrat?

Ok, we know that you don’t agree with the war, but why else?

[walfredo]

NewRes- I honestly believe at my core, that the very first day of the Obama adminstration will be a great day in American history. Quite frankly, just standing up and saying NO with a loud voice to what has been done the last 7+ years will send a powerful message to the world. It will start the healing of our nations soul, and immediately improve our standing abroad…

It will be that quick. As far as substantive policies being put in place, that will happen but take time. I believe him when he says we will be out of Iraq before the end of his first term. I believe him when he says that “we” are the only people that can bring change to Washington… and we will still need to rally and push the agenda for what we want.

But realistically, with the projected house and senate gains, he will be able to get a lot done… And for the first time in my adult life, I will be proud of the governemnt that represents me…

[Anonymous]

Wow, walfredo. Do you not like Republicans?

“He, in fact, went out of his way to include him. Of course, he excluded the ideas, and any rational person would probably agree that he doesn’t share those views.”

Well… If I so, so badly wanted to believe in Obama and everything that he is telling me, I would probably think the same thing.

However, call me irrational (I guess you already did), but I do not KNOW that Obama doesn’t share those views. Are you trying to say that a mentor and close personal confidante for over 20 years would have no influence, whatsoever, on a persons character, views and opinions? That is quite an assumption.

One thing I have come to realize throughout the last couple of months is that Obama supporters seem very quick to jump to assumptions. If it is in accordance with Obama somehow being right, it must be true.

[Anonymous]

You only get 2 terms.

But, let’s remember, the economy is *possibly* getting worse now, when Bush has 6 more months in office, as compared with the 90 months he has been in office. And let’s also remember that our current President has not broken the law.

Hypothetically, if Obama gets voted into office, how long will it be before he makes this country the beautiful, fairy tale country so many think he’s capable of providing?

[walfredo]

NewRes-

I definitely don’t forget that Obama didn’t initially rebuke Wright. He in fact, went out of his way to include him. Of course he excluded the ideas, and any rational person would probably agree that he doesn’t share those views. But it is very fair to say, that Obama tried to defend Wright when the clips came out, and stated directly that he could not disown him. Comparing him to an uncle, and his grandmother. Someone he can vehemently disagree with, and is a part of a generation past, that sees the world as static, but someone who he loves…

There is a real relationship between the two men, even now a damaged one. I guess to me, its not an argument as to which two are closer because that is pretty clear. But which relationship is more likely to advance ideas I find as extreme into the mainstream, and into policy… My gut still says that is Hagee… There is a different level of acceptance and credibility that comes with being a confirmed, solicited, an official surrogate of a candidate.

As far as 40% of republicans supporting Bush, I just think its a funny stack. If 6/10 of the people who hired you regret it and think you did a bad job, and 10/10 of the people who didn’t recommend you, still think you are terrible, well then you would be the least popular president ever, at any point in recorded history! What Clinton did, absolutely pales in comparison to the lies, corruption, incompetence, arrogance, and flat-out illegal activity of this administration the last 8 years, and now the only folks left are the true, true believers. Watch for the Repub brand name to continue to be dragged into the gutter, and the congress to continue to become more democratic. Along with the embarrassment, shame, death, and utter failure from the Bush administration, the destruction of the republican brand will be the ultimate legacy of the Bush/Cheney/Rove debacle.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know a single person who thinks either the sex or the lying was defendable. We just don’t think it justified spending millions upon millions of dollars and law makers time to prove it was a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

I’m not surprised by the 40% approval rate of the current administration by Republicans. One question, on that note: Has there been one terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11?

One *fact* that Democrats love to dismiss is that (and I should have included this in the wording in my previous post) President Clinton broke the law.

He didn’t just cheat on his wife and try to hide it (which is already bad enough), but then broke the law in his attempt to cover it up.

I know that you will argue that “….lives were not lost when Clinton broke the law…”, but he still DID break the law.

To many Democrats, it’s not a big deal. It has even been suggested on this forum that Clinton breaking the law was okay. I think the quote was something like: “He did what any man would do”.

Of course, that is old news, but it does set a precedence of what, or I should say, how much corruption, Democrats are willing to elect into office.

The Hagee/Wright argument is an interesting debate, I agree. Your thoughts on that are interesting to me as well.

Of course, I have to disagree with your final assessment. I think that having such a long standing, close relationship is more detrimental than how it was later dealt with.

Let’s not forget, also, that Obama did not initially rebuke Reverend Wright, but waited until it really blew up and he saw that he had no choice. Basically, his hand was forced.

[charlabob]

John Edwards to endorse Barack Obama tonight, at an event in Detroit. (That Latte sipping, bierkenstock wearing upper class elitist town we all know and love.) (Thanks, JenV, for sending me on a chase for this lovely goose.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24628804/

[walfredo]

As for the Hagee versus Rev. Wright comparison, I think its a very interesting discussion.

First you have the relationship between the two men- clearly Rev. Wright was more closely involved in Barack Obama’s life. No question.

You have the outrageous statements- we’ve all heard them, god punished New Orleans w/ Katrina because of gay people, Catholics = evil, US government spread AIDS, American foreign policy is immoral and partly responsibly for attacks on us… Lots of em. Both pretty batshi* nuts imho…

So then, to me the most interesting part is how the relationships have since been handled. Obama has denounced the statements, then denounced Rev. Wright and has never sought his support or endorsemnet. McCain campaigned for the support of Mr. Hagee, has included him in campaign events, and as of this date still says he is proud of his endorsement… Clearly they have handled this differently, as has the media.

So really, if you agree both of them are batshi* nuts, and say crazy things… You are left with the debate of what is of more impact- a close proximity and long relationship, but a denouncement of the controversial ideas, and of the actions to date of the man himself. Or a long-distance relationship, but a support of the ideas of “spiritual mentor” with no qualifiers, and an active involvement in a current campaign…

I think both are potentially damaging, my gut says that the guy who has not distanced himself and actually sought the support of the pastor is more likely to then bestow influence and respect onto someone who is batshi* nuts, more so then the person who has adamantly chastised the words of his pastor, and then publicly distanced himself…

[DP]

Jan,

Thanks for posting the note about the Iraq Vets Against the War event at Town Hall. I’m planning on going. Note: It’s modeled on the “Winter Soldier” hearings that occurred during the Vietnam War.

Shibaguyz, thanks for your forebearance. I’m eager to hear your thoughts, eventually.

As a follow-up to my earlier postings:

I don’t really care what action people take against the war — as long as they do SOMETHING.

Voting alone is obviously not enough.

Complaining is not enough either.

If people are really against this war, there are dozens of things they can do to express their opinion in a constructive, powerful way — everything from wearing a peace pin, to signing a petition, to writing their congresspeople, to talking to their neighbors, to marching in demonstrations, to writing letters to the editor, to non-violent civil disobedience, and so on.

(The same goes for ANY issue you care deeply about, by the way, not just peace.)

I sit at a peace-related literature table in the West Seattle Junction sometimes and you’d be amazed at the number of people who say, “I TOTALLY support what you’re doing,” –but when I ask them if they can help out at the table or come to a demonstration or whatever, they have a hundred different excuses for why they can’t lift a finger.

If everyone who says they’re against the war actually took some kind of action to stop it, it would end tomorrow.

To people like “TheHouse” (who says that we must have a ‘viable’ withdrawal plan before we can withdraw from Iraq) I would say this:

Yes, a viable withdrawal plan would be nice. I think the U.S. government should present us with one. However, it’s been more than five years since “Mission Accomplished” and they have not done so. Meanwhile more people are suffering and dying and more new terrorists are being trained.

The situation is getting worse, not better.

Therefore, in the absence of a withdrawal plan I say it’s time to get out, “viable plan” or not.

Since you raised the topic, House, here’s the best plan I can think of, given the circumstances:

1) Apologize to the Iraqi people (and to the world) for destroying the country of Iraq and scattering its people.

2) Announce that we’re leaving within six months, bases and all.

3) Begin phased withdrawal immediately.

4) Establish a “reparations” fund for Iraq, with the proviso that the money will be handed over only to representatives of a stable government and that it must be used to fund reconstruction projects.

5) Enact legislation banning any U.S. corporations from participating in any further reconstruction efforts.

That’s my plan, House. Frankly, I don’t think there’ll be any takers in this government, but no matter. I’m willing to pare it down to the bare minimum: phased withdrawal within six months.

It’s time to stop the bleeding. Past time, in fact.

–DP

[walfredo]

NewRes- if you think that the bar that was set by supporters of the Clinton administration was low. It might interest you that a whopping 40% of republicans still support the current administration!

If I had a job opening at a video store, I would not entrust our current commander in chief to understand the complexities of removing those little tabs on the bottom of the dvd’s before the customers leave the store…