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[TheHouse]

I must admit, I am a LOST junkie. The Powells link above rocks. That guy is awesome.

[charlabob]

“However when it comes to policy “Wes Clark, Madeline Albright and Ambassador Holbrook ” are a pretty substantial lineup, don’t you think?”

Hey, I got so wrapped up in the rest of this thread that I forget who posted this (J0?) But it pretty well summarizes why this heart-broken Edwards woman is has both feet and her credit cards in the Obama camp. I don’t want a majority of retreads TO COME BACK. They’re fine as advisors — we need new blood, starting at the top. I heard some alleged progressive recommend Chuck Hegel for Secretary of State in an Obama administration. I shrieked for a full five minutes.

OTOH, I won’t support Edwards as Attorney General — I want to see him as Commerce Secretary. His name on the business card would be enough to convince the thieves of big bidness (Molly Ivins, where are you when we need you?) to be afraid. And, btw, I’m not anticapitalist at all — I’d love to see it implemented. Since the supreme court decided business was a person, in the 1800s, any vestiges of capitalism were subsumed by the oligarchs. No wonder Putin and Bush are soul brothers. I want my country back. I want my constitution back. And, to anyone who asks, I’m embarassed by how little we pay to the common good — I’m embarassed that our schools, our infant mortality rate, our … are closer to third world countries than to countries in our position.

I appreciate all of the discussion on the WSB forums–I most appreciate Ken’s research and informed postings — leaving room for my raw, ungoogled passion :-) See you-all sometime.

(K, what precinct are you in?)

[Ken]

You guys are doing fine without me. I gotta go knock on doors and get people to the caucus next weekend (Saturday February 9th at 1:00 PM)

Check the caucus threads for links to when and where. Or go to our own 34th Dems caucus site at

http://www.34dems.org

I am starting a piece on the history of the American revolution and the usage and evolution of the terms “Republic and Democracy” as well as the usage of the terms Republican and Democrat.

Quick teaser, the Party Thomas Jefferson started was the Democrat-Republican Party. The original Republican party was made up of the remnants of the Whigs and the newer Federalist. This party died out and was eventually replaced by the “New” Republican party “Founded in 1854 by anti-slavery expansion activists and modernizers,”. So in 1854 the Republicans were indeed the party of reform, and change.

Check it out on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat-Republican_Party

The Democratic-Republican Party, also known as the Republican Party (not related to the present-day Republican Party), was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1792. It became the dominant political party until the 1820s, when it split into competing factions, one of which became the modern-day Democratic Party. Its members identified the party as the Republicans, Jeffersonians, Democrats,[1] or combinations of these (such as Jeffersonian republicans).[2]

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!) Address of the Republican committee of the County of Gloucester, New-Jersey … Gloucester County, December 15, 1800 and the last nominating caucus of the Party. (February 6, 1824) “Anti Caucus/Caucus”. Washington Republican.

2) Mathews, Dictionary of Americanisms (1951)

When we look at the quotes from that time, we must remember that the word “republic” was used to differentiate from “democracy” because Democracy was used to indicate the direct democracy of the Athenians , while a republic referred to the (somewhat) representative democracy of the Romans in their early empire.

More on this later…

:)

[TheHouse]

Debating in written words is very difficult. JoB, that rant that you wrote wasn’t necessary and was full of incorrect assumptions about me. You deflected the entire Clinton discussion toards whether it was worth it to investigate. If he told the truth there would not have been an investigation on this (don’t forget that the Clintons were investigated at least 2 other times as well).

As for backing the fact that Iraq funded terrorism, it has been reported many times in the media, but here are a few links:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.asp

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/27/iraq.cell/

I will grant you that the 9/11 commission and George Tenant have stated that there were so specific links to al-Qaida, but he has funded other terrorists. Once again (as I stated above) he certainly wasn’t the 1st or only leader to do so.

I also never called you unpatriotic. However, stating that Democrats are patriots in general is an emotional, not factual statement.

I also stated that I don’t like Ann Coulter.

I’m quite used to debating with “liberals” like you JoB. Generally speaking liberals like to assign passionate words and terms to people that oppose their way of thinking to muster up sentiment. I am not a crazy religious conservative and I am not a right wing nut job. I’m grounded in people taking accountability for themselves and I support goverment removing themselves from our lives as much as possible.

Although not confirmed, you seem like you write a (D) next to your name. I would ask yourself if you need others to make decisions for you? I would ask yourself if you feel like a high percentage of your paycheck should go to other people? If your answer to any of these questions is “Yes” then you should vote Democrat. I feel the opposite, so will never vote for a Democratic candidate. That doesn’t mean that I’d vote necessarily with a Republican, but I allign closer with them then with the BIG Ds.

This is beating a dead horse. I’m going down to the Junction to make fun of all of the libs dancing back and forth across the street. I really enjoy challanging those losers (PS …speak to many of the business owners around the Junction and they despise those people)

[JoB]

KAYLEIGH & New Member….

I know more than one conservative who is an animal activist. And if this forum is any example, conservatives aren’t the only ones quick to agitation when their viewpoints are questioned.

this politically based name calling only inflames tempers and prevents the exchange of ideas.

I see no reason not to become a vegetarian… it’s a not so simple choice not to eat meat… but if that choice is based on wanting to stop cruelty to animals… then it’s time to stop cruelty to animals.. all animals.

if that choice is a reaction to some incendiary video seen somewhere about someone’s farming and slaughtering practices… then it’s time to vote with your pocketbook about those practices… but not necessarily time to become vegetarian.

this is why I view the choice not to eat one meat but to eat another as a personal choice… not a moral one.

That said… i make personal choices every day.. as we all do.

But if we are really concerned about the cruelty to animals, a good place to start is with humans.

[WSMom]

Hey you LOST devotees, check out this blog…it’ll blow your mind…

http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=2879#comment-255511

[picklemom]

Ann Coulter is an amoral, unpatriotic attention ho. She is an embarrassment to all decent Republicans, conservative and moderate alike. They should distance themselves from this mean-spirited skank. She’s as loony as Britney Spears, but I feel some pity for Spears and only contempt for the Coult-hearted lunatic. Some choice Coulter quotes:

The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man’s dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it’s yours. That’s our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that’s the Biblical view.

Oil Good; Democrats bad; October 12, 2000

God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’

Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; June 20, 2001

They’re [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let’s do it. Let’s repress them. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of the First Amendment.

[TheHouse]

Jan, incorrect. Iraq housed many of the terrorists and allowed funds to be passed through for terroristic activity. They certainly weren’t the 1st or only country to do this.

Debating whether or not we should have gone to war is futile. It’s like standing at the scene of an accident and bitching about who caused it. The fact of the matter is that we’re there and the job needs to be completed correctly.

I do not think for a second that our President blatently lied to Americans. I believe that he was acting with the best interest of our country based on the information that he was being provided. We’ve already established over the past 8 years that the CIA was flawed from the top down (not created by Bush), so it is plausible that they information that he was receiving was flawed. I’ve stated that George Bush faced decisions that no other person in the history of the great country has ever had to face. As leader of the country, he is accountable but realistically he acts on what his advisors tell him. He was not perfect and hindsight is always 20/20.

As for Bill Clinton, no blow jobs don’t kill people but Bill Clinton did kill morality. He showed every young kid in the United States that the President can blatantly lie. He looked every citizen in the United States in the eyes and lied and it was about something as little as a extramarital affair.

Notice that Republicans “self police” each other when it comes to things that Clinton did (ie, Newt fell from grace when he came clean, the guy in Idaho in the bathroom stall got kicked to the curb, etc). The Libs don’t do that because once again their standards and morals are “moving targets”. One day a BJ is OK and the next day it’s not.

[JoB]

NewResident,

Nobody can forget the two planes plowing into the twin towers. believe me. no one.

And the 911 commission did not blame that attack on Bill Clinton’s negligence. They did state that there was a possible opportunity during the “lame duck” period of his presidency when he was busy defending himself against charges stemming from a sexual incident with an intern… that he did not give the order to pursue… but they also noted that there was plenty of US intelligence that was overlooked after President Bush took over the presidency that could have prevented 911 if it had been believed.

After 911, President Bush chose to use US resources to invade Iraq, where there were no terrorists, instead of aggressively pursuing the actual terrorists. This did succeed in bringing terrorism to Iraq and expanding the terrorist movement, but doesn’t seem to have done much about AlQuaida… the people who arranged those fateful planes.

There is plenty of blame to go around for this one.

As for Bill Clinton keeping his pants buttoned.. we all wish he had. Like i said on this site already, Hillary ought to have gotten him a puppy sooner.

But i haven’t heard the public outcry from Republicans over Gulliano’s treatment of his wife… or should i say, ex-wife… or the other Republican incidents within the past couple of decades. So upset about cheating seems to have been restricted to Bill Clinton.

One could argue that spending public resources hounding a man to the point where he lied about sexual contact… all for political gain.. actually contributed to 911 because he thought he wouldn’t have the backing of the congress to launch a strike.

I don’t assume that anyone i enter into conversation with is stupid. I certainly don’t assume you are. And i think that it adds to the conversation when all viewpoints are present.

But the trouble is that a lot of discourse is simply inflammatory… and that is not conversation.

My personal issue with Ann Coulter and with FOX news is that they are inflammatory and are often less than candid about the content of their remarks. Lest you think i am beating around the bush… that means i believe they don’t exactly bother making sure what they say is true and they present programs like Hammity and colmes as though they were actually presenting two sides of an issue.

Unfortunately, it isn’t just my belief. Fox news was sued over the truth of the content of one of their news programs and the party suing lost the suit. it seems there is no place within US law that states that a news must be true. It’s just an industry standard that news should be true and there is noone holding the industry to that standard.

Just like the claim that FOX news is America’s most listened to news source. It isn’t. It is only America’s most popular cable news source.. but that gets lost in the telling, doesn’t it.

Now, i believe you are an intelligent persona and that you will check to see whether what i just told you is true.

You can choose to do with that information whatever you think is best.

I can inform, but i can’t form your opinion for you any more than you can form mine.

That doesn’t mean that both of us don’t have intelligent and worthwhile things to say.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Everyone is sooo defensive!! Thanks for assuming that I’m not intelligent enough to debate an therefore am just falling back on the Clinton scandal. The fact that OUR President will look America in the eye and LIE disturbs me. I love when liberals say that a blow job never hurt anybody!! Does anybody have any morals anymore?!! Ken, you even went so far as to share a quote that alludes to the fact that you would have lied in the same situation! Your wife, if you have one, must be so proud. The man was disbarred!! And, you know what, all you bleeding hearts,war is Hell! Nobody likes it, nobody wants it. Sometimes it’s necessary. Does ANYBODY remember 2 jet airplanes crashing into and destroying the twin towers? Not to mention the other devastation that occurred that day? Clean up Bush’s mess? If anyone read the 9/11 Commission Report, they would know that the only reason our Country is in this mess is because of the negligence of former President Clinton! Sorry, I thought maybe there were other Republicans out there. Guess I was wrong. I didn’t see the “Liberals Only” sign when I signed up. Closing this subject…. I’m not going to be ganged up on by a bunch of liberals! Just a tidbit of info… Every great Country throughout history has been destroyed from within.

[TheHouse]

It figures that liberals need to take an Internet quiz to figure out which candidate they need to vote for. Since most liberals values are “moving targets”, you probably should take the test again tomorrow. You’ll probably score differently.

Please make sure you send President Bush a Thank You card for the $600 check you’re going to receive in a few months!

[JanS]

Hi, House…thanks for the input….and thanks for getting this started – lol…I think the Repubs had better get on the ball at the primaries if Romney is their man…he’s not quite in the forefront right now. Ann Coulter…sense of humor…well, I suppose she thinks she has one. I sometimes feel that she says what she says not because she believes it but because of the impact it makes on others…obviously it’s impacted me in a negative way…and I think she revels in that. And I think she’s impressed with herself…likes to hear herself talk :-) I figured you’d probably like her….hehehe…

[TheHouse]

Thank you all for your comments. Just a few coments:

I have respect for Wes Clark as a soldier and serviceman for our country, but as a politician I have none. His quote listed above by Ken is factually incorrect. Call me anal on this one, but our government is a republic. Decribing it as a democracy is incorrect. In addition, he states that the country was founded on the priciples of Enlightenment. This reference is only in regards to the ability to practice religion freely. The last part of his quote (I’m assuming) he means that “The Right/Conservatives” are not allowing this discourse to go on. That is pattently false and in fact I could prove to you that “The Left” does more to harm free speech, practice religion and hold classes down than “The Right” if I had enough time to spell it out for you.

If Wes Clark is the best lib you can muster up then you’ve got issues.

As for good ol’ Ann, I think it’s safe to say that she’s got a sense of humor. Hillary is already getting beat by Obama in the Primaries. Anns endorsement for Hillary is the kiss of death for both Clinton and McCain. The Republicans know that Obama is the easier candidate to beat and that Romney is the GOPs favorite right now. Ann knows what she’s doing.

[JanS]

New Resident…read my lips…I am not threatened by her…I’m disgusted by her…or anyone else who would say the things that she has. Life is too short to constantly be accusatory, to be mean spirited, to make a living by saying some of the cruelest things that she can think of at times. I do not consider her a good source of intelligent comment or criticism. We’re all entitled. If you disagree, then more power to you. I simply don’t like the woman, and that’s my right. Please don’t tell me what I am and am not. You do not know me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml

that article only demonstrates a small portion of how she feels. I’m sure we could come up with many more…but the attack on 9-11 widows was reprehensible.

You don’t like Bill Cllinton, but I doubt that you’re threatened by him. I do like him. I don’t like the president who lied to us and marched us into a war that has cost the lives of thousands of our young people and maimed many thousands more. I remember another war….another group of men at Walter Reed back in the 60’s that I had the privelege of meeting. Everyone of them was learning to walk with one leg, or dealing with no legs..or just one arm…or a prosthesis where a hand used to be. Heroes all…but what a waste of young life. And this president is now going to leave it to someone else to clean up his mistakes.So don’t talk to me about who will be considered a joke as a president.

What I’m saying is…we all have different feelings about these people. If you admire Ann Coulter, that’s your business…I don’t.

Truce?

[hopey]

If you get a group going, I hope you will post regular updates… my mother, who is 65 but looks & acts a lot younger, will be moving to Seattle sometime in the next year. She also visits frequently. I’d love to be able to tell her about opportunities to drop in on your group.

[Robindianne]

JoB,

We have a shiba and a mutt. They are good walking together or alone until (yep) we see another dog. We walk all around West Seattle, Lincoln Park, etc and have no problems except for their barking incessantly when we see other dogs.

Our shiba gets his nails dremmilled (sp?) at Petco while we talk to him and pet him. We had basic dog training there as well, and our pup did fine but it wasn’t his turf so he didn’t need to get territorial. (The trainer is who dremmils him)

I want a good trainer as well, just to get him to stop chasing our cats when they run (he’s fine if they remain calm – but, you know, they are cats and don’t really always respond when I ask them kindly to remain calm :) and stop eating the furniture, books, etc.

We don’t go to off leash parks because he’s a runner when his leash is off. He comes back but just on his own time. We use a harness for him and a gentle leader face harness for our mutt (runs for squirrels).

I don’t really have advice but we are really pet friendly so I wanted to give you a response :) and a “bravo” for your rescue efforts. We didn’t exactly rescue Gizmo but he’d been in 3 homes and we babysat him while he was in his 3rd and when they couldn’t take care of him, he became ours. He sleeps with us every night and we just love him! (and our Sadie mutt too of course)

[Ken]

Perhaps you’re referring to her recent update of this scholarly classic.

On the heels of her widely successful books on Liberal treachery, Slander and Treason, Ann Coulter is about to publish a special updated edition of one of the most influential political tracts of the modern age.

http://www.zenpickle.com/Coulter.php

excerpt:

VOLUME I: A RETROSPECT

CHAPTER 10

WHY AMERICAN SOCIETY COLLAPSED

It must be admitted that all this was partly the result of extraordinary crafty tactics on the part of Liberals on the one hand, and obvious official stupidity or naïveté on the other hand. The Liberals were too clever to allow a simultaneous attack to be made on the whole of their Press. No one section functioned as cover for the other. While the alternative newspaper, in the most despicable manner possible, reviled everything that was sacred, furiously attacked the State and Government and incited certain classes of the community against each other, the national papers, also in Liberal hands, knew how to camouflage themselves as model examples of objectivity. They studiously avoided harsh language, knowing well that block-heads are capable of judging only by external appearances and never able to penetrate to the real depth and meaning of anything. They measure the worth of an object by its exterior and not by its content. This form of human frailty was carefully studied and understood by the Liberal Press.

[…]

I believe that our present generation would easily master this danger if they were rightly led. For this generation has gone through certain experiences which must have strengthened the nerves of all those who did not become nervously broken by them. Certainly in days to come the Liberals will raise a tremendous cry throughout their newspapers once a hand is laid on their favorite nest, once a move is made to put an end to this scandalous Liberal Press and once this instrument which shapes public opinion is brought under Conservative control and no longer left in the hands of Liberals and enemies of the people. I am certain that this will be easier for us than it was for our fathers. The scream of the twelve-inch shrapnel is more penetrating than the hiss from a thousand Liberal newspaper vipers. Therefore let them go on with their hissing.

[Kayleigh]

NewResident, the small mind thing was a joke; not directed at you. I understand your point; I just disagree.

You don’t get to call people hypocritical because they don’t take their beliefs to the extent you think they should. That’s black/white either/or thinking, and not respectful either.

By your thinking, we shouldn’t walk on the grass because it might hurt the grass and only eat fallen apples.

I prefer the approach of encouraging people to follow their hearts to the extent they can. It’s more positive and helps people feel good about making humane choices. Even small sacrifices, small donations, etc. help animals and help the planet.

If a friend of mine was going to give up pork, I wouldn’t call her a hypocrite because she still intended to eat beef. I’d smile because a pig somewhere won’t get tortured or slaughtered, and her arteries wouldn’t get clogged with pork fat, and a pig farm has a smidgen less motivation to pollute the environment with pig poo.

[JoB]

newresident..

have you discovered the sunday market? you don’t need to worry about anything you eat from there having been tortured and i got some outstanding italian sausage and smoked ham there last week.

they say the same is true of the PCC market… and it is supposed to be local. (I haven’t gone to one of their meetings yet. still too much like a supermarket to me.)

i just like to look the guy who sells me the meat in the eye when i buy it and i like him to have had a hand in producing it as well.

right now the pickings are a little slim as it is winter.. but it improves in the spring.

i am also investigating farm shares… force me to be more creative and timely in my cooking:)

[Seamab]

There are a couple different types of acupunture as well which might effect your decision. If you are needle phobic, Nancy Ishii at White Crane Spa (206) 937-4777 practices the Japanese style of acupunture which is much gentler in comparison to the Chiense style of acupunture. She does accept some insurances. She’s really good. And as a side note, she is very good with prenatal acupuncture and will also treat children.

[Franci]

THE Junction is the business district centered at the intersection of Alaska and California, there is also the Morgan Junction which is at Fauntleroy and California.

[Anonymous]

JoB… Very well put!! But why do they have to torture the animals that we have to eat? Unless we live on our own farms where we eat everything that we grow and raise and do it our way, we are contributing to animal cruelty.

[charlabob]

La Rustica is definitely the atmosophere with good food and wine. Do a google search and read the reviews. And it feels like home. I still haven’t found the web pages.

[Ken]

Let grass grow where grass wants to grow, let moss grow where moss wants to grow.

You cannot win a fight with either one without harsh chemicals or lots of labor.

Around here most of us are happy if the moss or in some years the alge, dont grown on our cars.

My station wagon is losing that battle this year.

Contractors use sod and hydroseeding because the need to sell the building.

I have big dogs so the backyard is what it is.

But when I dug out dandilions and regraded part of the front yard, I just spread a bag of seed and raked compost over it.

Seattle climate took care of the rest.

[Anonymous]

And, same as you, Kayleigh, I also had to start eating meat again after 4 years. I first became a vegetarian because of the way those animals are handled that we eat. However, for health reasons, I have to eat meat and if it’s me or a cow, I choose me. I am perfectly aware of the cruelty involved in the meat, whatever kind, that I eat, but it’s part of me being healthy. It’s horrible, but it’s life. The article that started this thread, however, seems something else entirely. What exactly was gained from boiling the monkey? Why hasn’t that facility been shut down? I didn’t read the whole thing, too disturbing.