UPDATE: Seven ‘neighborhood centers’ proposed for West Seattle, and other changes in newly unveiled zoning maps

(Google Maps Street View image, west side of 35th/Barton)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Above, you see the heart of what would be the Upper Fauntleroy “neighborhood center” as part of the proposed zoning changes just unveiled by the city.

The maps are part – but not the entirety – of the “comprehensive plan” (aka One Seattle Plan) updates that the city’s been working on for the past two years, part of a state-mandated process to update the plan once a decade. We got a preview at a City Hall media briefing this morning; the city says its proposed sheaf of changes would give Seattle the capacity for a total of 330,000 new housing units, far more than they envisioned when circulating the draft earlier this year. (Here’s the slide deck from today’s briefing.)

The proposed maps build on the draft maps circulated last spring, as reported here in March, when we first noted that the city intended to plan for increased business activity and housing density by designating “neighborhood centers” as well as making some changes in its existing “urban centers” (formerly known as “urban villages”). Back in March, the city’s early version of these changes showed six “neighborhood centers” for West Seattle. Now, the newly unveiled maps show (update: 7 out of the 30 total proposed citywide – OPCD tells us 3 were were “studied” but are not currently being proposed):

*Brandon Junction (centered on Delridge/Brandon)
*Fairmount (centered on California/Findlay)
*Holden (centered on 35th/Holden)
(UPDATE: Studied but not proposed) *Sylvan Junction (centered on Delridge/Orchard)
*Upper Fauntleroy (centered on 35th/Barton)
*High Point (centered on 35th/Morgan)
(UPDATE: Studied but not proposed) *Highland Park (centered on 9th/Trenton)
*Endolyne (centered on 45th/Wildwood)
*Delridge (centered on Delridge/Dakota)
(UPDATE: Studied but not proposed) *Alki (centered on 61st/Stevens)

(For now, check the online maps for exact boundaries and the attendant rezoning where applicable – we’ve requested a larger version of the map/list and will add it here when available. UPDATE: Here it is.)

The “neighborhood center” additions are only part of what you’ll find on the zoning maps. West Seattle’s four “urban centers” – Admiral, Alaska Junction, Morgan Junction, and Westwood/Highland Park – would, in most cases, expand (here again is the interactive site with the maps).

If you’re not in an urban center or neighborhood center, check your zoning anyway. Upzoning is proposed along major transit routes (Fauntleroy Way SW along the RapidRide C Line route past Lincoln Park, for example). And if you’re in a “neighborhood residential” zone (the new name given to “single-family” a few years back), and otherwise unchanged, you’ll be in an “urban neighborhood” area. Most formerly “single-family” parcels already have had the capacity for three units – a main house and two Accessory Dwelling Units – because of previous city changes, but now the State Legislature-passed HB 1110 requires capacity for four units on these parcels. If affordable housing is included, some might be eligible for six units, and/or four stories. And lots of parcels will become mixed-use in one specific way – any corner lot in an “urban neighborhood” zone would be eligible for a corner store.

Other changes include parking rules:

As a result of this, we learned, the Alki Parking Overlay – which requires a space and a half for every dwelling unit in that area – would be abolished (as would the only other “parking overlay” in the city, in the U District). General parking for residential units – aside from the frequent-transit zones where none would be required – would be one space for two units.

Lots more in the maps, and there’s more in what the city announced today. But for starters, you can browse for yourself, and make comments now – that’s why the maps are being made public, with other plan-updates to come. You can also attend an upcoming informational session. The West Seattle session is 5:30-7:30 pm Wednesday, November 6, at Madison MS (3429 45th SW) and the full list of citywide events (plus the online session) is on this flyer. All this ultimately goes to the City Council for consideration. (added) The official comment period, meantime, runs until December 20, so you have time for a close look. Also of note, as discussed in comments, the city plans to propose more upzoning in Urban Centers in a future “phase” of planning (see page 10 of the slide deck).

THURSDAY UPDATE: OPCD says three of the 10 “neighborhood centers” listed for West Seattle were studied but not proposed. We have labeled them as such above.

ADDED THURSDAY PM: Here also, provided by OPCD, is a District 1-specific map (see it in PDF here):

97 Replies to "UPDATE: Seven 'neighborhood centers' proposed for West Seattle, and other changes in newly unveiled zoning maps"

  • Joe Z October 16, 2024 (2:17 pm)

    I find these proposed changes underwhelming. $7 billion for a light rail line and the best we are going to do is predominately lowrise zoning around the light rail stations? There should be far more midrise zoning, especially around the Avalon Station. If there was one spot in the city to go extra aggressive with zoning it is around the light rail stations. 

    • WSB October 16, 2024 (3:01 pm)

      Urban centers are in line for more upzoning in a forthcoming phase (see page 10 of the slide deck). I’ll add that to the end.

      • Joe Z October 16, 2024 (5:10 pm)

        Thanks! 

    • Kyle October 16, 2024 (4:00 pm)

      This looks like the most major up zone in decades,maybe ever. Are we looking at the same plan? Only area somehow spared appears to be NE Seattle. West Seattle with this plan will not be the West Seattle you know today. Honestly with the state of the schools and removing pretty much all of the SFH areas in West Seattle might be to time to look at the suburbs who aren’t absorbing any of this growth.

      • Reed October 16, 2024 (6:13 pm)

        Single family homes only get razed for larger stuff when they are sold. Are you saying that you will sell and move to the suburbs, thereby making the “problem” that’s forcing you to leave worse?

        • Kyle October 16, 2024 (6:47 pm)

          I’m saying the plan is unevenly distributed. Especially at the region level.  I don’t want to live in Capitol Hill density but that is what most of West Seattle will be upzoned to, when I see other areas of the city with much more modest increases (Magnolia, NE Seattle). I’ll make the decision on what is best for my family (just like everyone else). We will want a yard, good schools, neighbors who put down roots, and a safe neighborhood where open drug use, property crime, and violent crime is investigated promptly. Was much more a fan of the smaller denser urban centers than this peanut butter plan.

          • reed October 16, 2024 (7:45 pm)

            So what is preventing you from having that in West Seattle right now? All the different neighborhoods in West Seattle have plenty of places with yards, good schools, and neighbors who put down roots. West Seattle is really safe, when you look at thinks objectively, pay attention to real statistics and get our of this negative echo chamber. Regarding the other issues, those are not specific to Seattle. Those problems exist everywhere, including every US suburb and rural area.

        • Bbron October 16, 2024 (8:06 pm)

          “removing pretty much all of the SFH areas in West Seattle” huh? most of WS is still residential zoning, and not much area was done from residential to higher density. the same residential that’s in Magnolia, NE Seattle.

        • Bill October 16, 2024 (8:26 pm)

          No, but my neighbor might 

      • EastCoastCynic October 16, 2024 (8:55 pm)

        It really bugs me that they do spare much of the wealthier NE Seattle neighborhoods from the upzoning, but really pile on the Southern Seattle neighborhoods. 

        • WestT October 19, 2024 (7:29 pm)

          Yup. I’m all for upzoning but that is just such a glaring example of different rules for the wealthy.

      • Ron Swanson October 17, 2024 (8:57 am)

        Bellevue’s rezone is adding a ton of development capacity, per capita more ambitious than Seattle’s.  Shoreline and Lynnwood are doing major development around their new Link stations, Kirkland is building a ton of development in Totem Lake, etc.  The suburbs are going to absorb a good amount of the region’s growth in the next decade.

        • Kyle October 17, 2024 (4:52 pm)

          Bellevue’s plan concentrates the growth much better. Take a look at their map, the growth is concentrated to where it makes sense.

          • WS98 October 17, 2024 (6:36 pm)

            I agree with Kyle, BLV’s plan is much better. Instead of sprawling MFH all over throughout existing SFH neighborhoods, their growth strategy focuses on “existing mixed-use, commercial, and multifamily areas” that are already near transit or transit hubs.I support public transit but most people/families I know in WS (roughly 100+) can’t use it because of where they work, go to school or where their children go to school. None of whom (including our family) can ditch cars for transit any time in the near future. Our street is incredibly narrow with no alley on one side, MFH would turn parking into an even worse nightmare than it already is. 

  • jj October 16, 2024 (2:32 pm)

    California/ Findlay seems like an odd spot considering it’s blocks away from Morgan junction and not much further to Alaska junction in the other direction. 

    • 2cents October 17, 2024 (5:02 pm)

      Rapid ride is there though. Whats odd is they are downzoning along Findlay/ Fauntleroy even though that is mostly townhouse infill now.. 

  • Jason October 16, 2024 (2:48 pm)

    Upzone now!!! We need housing so so bad.  Especially in new lightrail and transit zones.

  • Brandon October 16, 2024 (2:51 pm)

    Just cant wait for the “unintended consequences” many would point out are obvious only to be ignored and left to watch happen. Just in time for another fix on the dime of the taxpayer.

    Some new neighbors moved in to a place across the street. Just a duplex. Four cars added to street parking. In a “safe street” area with “road closed” signs around. These polices altogether are just incompatible with society.  Take a guess about the neighbor before that. You cant force people to comply, as much as you try to make it inconvenient for them, they will tend to rely on their own means of transportation and liberties. Try driving through the narrow street of 9th and Trenton now. – Now add more people and limit their parking.

    Meanwhile, the supply of SFHs will decline, prices for them will go up. And people will start moaning about home affordability, rising rents, and falsely blame gentrification and “the rich”, all while the leaders they voted for pushed the actual issues though. But don’t worry, they’ll promise infinite affordable housing (no such thing, its subsidized by another taxpayer) for lifelong votes.

    • K October 16, 2024 (3:33 pm)

      This is an incredibly narrow view of what a family looks like and what they need.  There are so many types of housing that exist and so many different preferences when it comes to transit and parking.  It sounds like that area of Highland Park may not best suit your family and your needs, but your own needs are far from the only ones that exist and creating an entire city catered to one lifestyle is just bad planning.

      • Brandon October 16, 2024 (4:34 pm)

        My entire point is these planning decisions are catered to just one lifestyle. No others.

        • Bbron October 16, 2024 (5:06 pm)

          oh please, you’re complaining about there being a new lifestyle finally being supported: a car free one. you’re bemoaning that a car centric lifestyle isn’t being prioritized enough even though it’s what’s been catered too and incredibly subsidized by taxpayers for nearly a century. stop with assuming this false victim hood because you can’t have guaranteed parking on a public street in front of your home or because driving a car on a narrow street is uncomfortable (hint: slow down if you’re uncomfortable; it’s the whole point).

          • Brandon October 16, 2024 (6:27 pm)

            Did you know you it’s pretty easy to live in a place that has a parking spot you don’t use, compared to living in a place that doesn’t have a parking spot you need to use?  One would logically think if you needed a car to go to work or school but have no place to park it, you can’t live in those areas.  Rational sense would be to accommodate both lifestyles.  But hey, then I guess we’d have fewer problems to solve!

          • Boot October 16, 2024 (7:23 pm)

            Just plain wrong Brandon. You can build a city around unlimited car storage on public streets, or you can build adequate housing and walkable neighborhoods. Places that are car centric are sprawling and cannot support the density needed for a walking/biking/transit life. 

          • K October 16, 2024 (9:25 pm)

            You’re literally complaining about others doing that same thing you are–expaxting someone else to accommodate your vehicle.  Fighting for on street parking is only an issue if you store your vehicle on taxpayer-funded public right-of-ways.  If you plan your own housing better, others’ choices would not impact you.  

          • Bbron October 16, 2024 (8:13 pm)

            @Brandon you proved my point: you want those who don’t want to own a car to have to settle to pay for a parking space they don’t use (i.e. they have to subsidize car centric architecture). there are far, far more places in Seattle where you get a parking space than there are those that don’t. it’s wild you can feel like your lifestyle is being challenged and get upset, but your “solution” is to have the government cater to your lifestyle and for other’s to just deal. sure is easy to solve problems when solely focus on your experience.

          • CarDriver October 17, 2024 (6:04 pm)

            Bbron. Your nirvana of no cars anywhere ever doesn’t and will not exist in our lifetimes. You, and others can pretend and push through zoning changes but unless you step up and pass laws that make ownership of personal vehicles illegal people WILL own them and yes-park them. Based on all the cars I see you’ve got a lot of people of all ages to convince.

          • Bbron October 17, 2024 (8:42 pm)

            @CarDriver, huh? I have never had an expectation that there would be a “nirvana of no cars” at any point in the future; however, it’s ridiculous that in a metro area that has plenty of opportunity to support those that go car free which is also at the benefit of everyone else, including car drivers that there are car maximalists that want to block or look down their nose at upzoning. there are tons and tons of folks that would love to be able to live car free but can’t because of the built environment, and upzoning will give them that opprotunity; no need to codify anything. if you have an environment that makes it easier to use public transit than to drive and park a car which is entirely possible in a metro area, that’s enough to get the status quo to shift. tangentially, i look forward to the time when you reply to one of my comments without beforehand resorting to building a strawman.

  • K October 16, 2024 (3:12 pm)

    I mean, I’m all for upzoning and density, but some of these locations seem arbitrary.  With the existing businesses and adjacent greenbelts near Delridge & Orchard, I feel like there’s either room for some new housing with no businesses to walk to, or more businesses that are only convenient for a handful of people to walk to.  Making that particular spot into a neighborhood hub of any kind would require some EXTREMELY thoughtful planning, and departures from common practice elsewhere in the city.

    • Another k October 16, 2024 (3:53 pm)

      Arbitrary indeed. One of the few upzoned blocks in my area is just a school—but across the street from the school where the housing is —no change?

  • Sigh October 16, 2024 (4:01 pm)

    What a joke. People can live next to a bus and still need a car. Don’t people want outside space anymore that doesn’t require you to have go to a park? Just want to basically live on top of each other with hardly any privacy.

    • Bbron October 16, 2024 (5:09 pm)

      there’s plenty of SFH and places with car parking. what’s the issue having some housing supply in areas built around not needing to own a car?

    • Sunrise Heights October 16, 2024 (5:44 pm)

      The model of living that reduces the square footage each household needs to take up, facilitates getting around by foot, bike, or public transportation, and provides accessible public greenspace for all works well in a lot of first-world nations. Suburb-style living never has been and never will be accessible or sustainable for all. Besides, learning to live in community rather than isolated in single-family residences with fenced yards where we get around alone in our cars might actually encourage knowledge of and empathy for the experiences of others. 

      • Desperately Seeking Saka October 16, 2024 (10:52 pm)

        Sunrise Heights, don’t you realize West Seattle is basically a suburb of inner-city Seattle? Most of us live in/own single-family homes with fenced yards. Have you considered moving to Bell Town, Pioneer Square, Lower Queen Anne, or Lake Union instead of encouraging city officials to turn our peninsula into those places?

        • K October 17, 2024 (10:19 am)

          Desperately Seeking Saka, don’t you realize West Seattle is part of the city of Seattle and not a suburb?  Most of us like being able to walk to favorite spots in the neighborhood and seeing lots of people in our neighborhoods.  Have you considered living in Normandy Park, Maple Valley, or Federal Way instead of encouraging our city officials to turn our peninsula into those places?

          • Desperately Seeking Saka October 17, 2024 (4:04 pm)

            K, there are residential areas in the CITY of Seattle where owners have lots up to half an acre or more. Likewise, there are residential lots in the CITY of Bellevue, the CITY of Redmond, and the CITY of Burien that are several acres. Just because a city has annexed a neighborhood doesn’t suddenly make that area urban.

        • Walter October 17, 2024 (11:41 am)

          And you can continue to live in your single family home, no one is taking that away from you. But we have a growing population. Cities get more dense over time. This is how it’s worked for thousands of years. The idea of building a suburb of houses that all look the same and never change is actually a relatively new idea, and it hasn’t worked out very well. It has caused skyrocketing home prices, traffic, environmental harm, and is causing cities to go bankrupt

        • jj October 17, 2024 (12:05 pm)

          Thank you

      • Shocked October 18, 2024 (5:20 am)

        And why does housing have to be developed to force people to have empathy for people forced and stacked on top of them? If you want people to have empathy then go to church and raise your children with good morales, in a healthy and private single family home. 

  • Dreamer October 16, 2024 (4:05 pm)

    Well my dream of being able to buy in the area I have lived my whole life keeps getting farther and farther away.

    • Nightmare October 16, 2024 (7:25 pm)

      I assume that your objection is that they didn’t upzone nearly enough, bc otherwise your affordability complaint would make no sense at all.

      • Dreamer October 17, 2024 (8:27 am)

        It makes perfect sense as the houses that are “affordable” are just tall square buildings with no outside space to enjoy. Just rooftop. When before they would at least have a small yard. Now there is nothing besides your neighbor and concrete.  So yea if you are into that but if you are not, you basically get screwed. 

        • Bbron October 17, 2024 (8:34 pm)

          or what Nightmare was getting at is that many folks don’t mind living in those places and may be more than happy to not have to sink time and money into yard maintenance and instead enjoy going to parks, etc. out in the community (like my own apartment renting self). now there’s less competition for what your dream is (owning a SFH), and there’s a much greater tax base so that levy rates can come down further like they have been for the last almost-decade as the market has ballooned which would make all properties more affordable. you’d think it’d be easy to connect that suburbs don’t generate enough taxable revenue to not put a disproportionate tax burden on individual property owners, nor an efficient use of space to be cost effective as the majority parcel type.

    • Griff October 16, 2024 (7:29 pm)

      Why? Seems like there will be a lot of additional housing for you to choose from after this.

      • jj October 17, 2024 (12:08 pm)

        By “housing” you mean apartments, right? Ah, the American dream…. to live in an overpriced 1-bedroom box and be a slave to rent forever. 

        • Truth October 18, 2024 (5:23 am)

          Exactly. Who doesn’t want to live in a $800K 500 sq foot box surrounded by concrete and no yards, with rooftop spaces attached to your neighbors rooftop space so one can just hop over in the middle of night or day and share a beer with your wife while you are out at work trying to pay for that tiny box stacked on top of another box. Ah the American dream is so close Seattle we can taste it!

  • CarDriver October 16, 2024 (5:28 pm)

    ALERT ALERT. 99% of the people going into all this new housing WILL own and use a car. No off-street parking will not entice people to sell their cars. They’ll be happy to shop for a parking spot in the neighborhood.

    • Bbron October 17, 2024 (2:54 am)

      1) the Seattle-Bellevue-Tacoma area, the car ownership rate is 92% and 2) maybe the infrastructure not accommodating a car free lifestyle (which upzoning will help fix) has a large part to do with forcing car ownership on people that don’t want it?

    • Walter October 17, 2024 (11:31 am)

      30% of the US population doesn’t drive. I live in Admiral and almost never use my car. I have several friends that don’t own cars. And it will only get easier to survive without a car as we increase density, increase our tax base, and can support more frequent public transit

    • Jason October 17, 2024 (12:00 pm)

      ALERT ALERT: You’re Wrong. This is just a lie. Not even close to true. Like zero data backs that up. Less than 80% of Seattle’s current population own cars.  Upzoning literally leads to LESS car ownership not more. https://www.caee.utexas.edu/prof/kockelman/public_html/TRB23UpzoningSeattleNaifu.pdf

      • jj October 17, 2024 (12:11 pm)

        Most New Yorkers don’t own a car and have access to tons of transportation options, as well. I’m sure there are no cars on the road out there now, right? Since they have access to housing and public transportation, right? A total traffic-free Shangri-la, it is. 

        • Bbron October 17, 2024 (8:19 pm)

          Most NYers don’t have cars (54%), so I don’t understand your point about traffic cause do you think it’d be better or the same if more people owned cars?

        • K October 18, 2024 (7:09 am)

          It will never be traffic-free because delivery drivers and other workers will use the roads in the course of their employment.  Providing options for every day commuters, and folks just wanting to grab a few things at the pharmacy helps alleviate traffic for these workers so they can spend their day doing more deliveries and moving goods around the city, and less time waiting in traffic to get there.  Had you ever spent time in New York, you’d know who it was on those roads.  It’s not Joe Neighborhood Guy driving his car to the office.

  • Joe October 16, 2024 (7:23 pm)

    This reminds me of the urban villages that they proposed in the 1990s. They essentially just relabeled it and added a few bells and whistles. I bet this will follow the same path and never become and reality. 

  • Alex October 16, 2024 (7:48 pm)

    I guess we need clarity on the overlay parking issue.  Seattle ordinances have 2 exceptions against the general rules for West Seattle: the Alki Overlay and the Fauntleroy Dock Area.   For Fauntleroy see SMC 23.54.015 Table B, Footnote 3.  The City was pitching this Plan at the Admiral Church last April and when asked about Alki Overlay/Fauntleroy Dock, they said the exceptions would survive.

    • WSB October 16, 2024 (9:01 pm)

      I asked very specifically about this during the briefing when the parking slide came up – this is not my interpretation of something I read. I believe it was Brennon Staley of OPCD who answered that it would go away. Much has changed since the spring draft. Didn’t ask about Fauntleroy – Alki is the one I have written about time and time again.

      • Jenna S October 18, 2024 (1:42 pm)

        Did they offer a reason why they would abolish the space and a half off street parking rule for every new unit on Alki? Obviously this area is dramatically different from the U-District. 

  • Rhonda October 16, 2024 (8:59 pm)

    Grotesque.

    • Bbron October 17, 2024 (2:57 pm)

      Nope.

    • anonyme October 17, 2024 (5:07 pm)

      Yep.

  • 1994 October 16, 2024 (10:28 pm)

    I like my single family residential neighborhood. I like having a yard, seeing other yards, and having a little space between the homes. I have seen newer construction with 2 or 3 dwellings on a lot. I would not want to have 2 or 3 homes on either side of me.  My time in West Seattle may be nearing an end. 

    • Walter October 17, 2024 (11:28 am)

      I’ve never understood this viewpoint – you can have your house and your yard, what does it matter if there are a few extra people living next door? If you don’t like living around other people, why choose to live in a major metropolitan city?And do you have kids? Where are they supposed to live if we are never allowed to build any more housing?

    • Jason October 17, 2024 (12:07 pm)

      Must be nice to be able to afford it. I am a librarian and can barely afford a studio. Let alone a yard. I want upzoning. Not SFH all over. We are a city not a suburb. 

      • 1994 October 17, 2024 (10:54 pm)

        Upzoning is not going to bring the cost of housing down.  As far as affording a home with a small yard, it is not affordable. I pay about 12 % of my net income in property taxes.  I like having just a couple neighbors on either side versus the thought of having 6-10 people on either side. We all have our likes and nothing wrong with what a person likes.

  • Wsresident October 17, 2024 (7:51 am)

    Meanwhile, on Avalon and in Junction, there are about 7-8 high-density buildings coming down for light right and may “neighborhood centers” disappearing. I’m grateful to live south now! 

  • Rosey October 17, 2024 (8:43 am)

    Somehow not surprised to see that everyone who has come out in support of Trump in the comments the last few weeks also dislikes these zoning changes. 

    • AK October 17, 2024 (3:23 pm)

      Rosy, you are assuming and you know the saying! I’m Harris all the way and married to a 3rd generation West Seattleite and we are totally against this up zoning! Too many people already shoved here in West Seattle. I like my single family zoning house with a yard and no neighbors on top of me.

      • Another K October 17, 2024 (3:36 pm)

        Why are you moving your neighbors to your property? Or is this just hyperbole and you’ll actually be able to keep your yard and single family home?

      • Rosey October 17, 2024 (4:43 pm)

        AK, I do not agree with your position and think there is a middleground to allow more zoning like what is proposed, but to be clear, I was not aiming this post at you explicitly. There have been a few commenters in this thread who have absolutely thrown in their support of Trump/Reichert in other threads that are very against any zoning changes here. 

        • Rhonda October 18, 2024 (12:09 am)

          Rosey, zoning exists for VERY good reasons, safety being one of them. That’s why we don’t allow plastics factories, nuclear power plants, and steel mills in residential areas. 7-11s, strip clubs, Jiffy Lubes, and O’Reilly auto parts stores likewise don’t belong on quiet, leafy residential streets. We have commercial, industrial, residential, greenbelts, and mixed-use zones to protect quality of life. In my native country there were/are almost no zoning protections and it creates a very chaotic existence.

        • AK October 18, 2024 (11:20 am)

          Rosey, Agreed!

  • Jen October 17, 2024 (8:51 am)

    The build build build! myth that more upzones and market rate development brings affordability has been DISPROVEN time and time again. Remember MHA upzones? A complete embarrassment and failure. All we are doing is demolishing existing affordable units that currently house lower income tenants, and replacing them with wholly unaffordable new units. PRESERVATION is the cheapest and fastest way to create and keep affordability. Stop with the trickle down nonsense, our housing market (and planning dept) is all about profit for investors and speculators, not adequately housing the people who live here. In fact, they wish to tax us into selling, so they can finally get the land from those who want to stay in their communities. Every time a property sells, the sell price means all mortgages and tenant rents go WAY up. What’s going on in South Park is also travesty, and the plan does nothing to address the issues of flooding, earthquake liquifaction, environmental degradation and racism.  We need to go back to contract upzones for affordability ONLY, or we will never get the housing we actually need. 

    • Canton October 17, 2024 (8:04 pm)

      Spot on, and I have been seeing this situation across the city. They tear down older, but well maintained affordable apartment buildings with 20-30 units, and build 10 three story attached townhomes that go for a million plus… Currently, this particular development has 3 of the ten up for sale right now.

      • Citizen Joe October 17, 2024 (11:57 pm)

        That’s my biggest fear: disguised gentrification. This upzoning may be skewed towards builders’ and banks’ profitability but will push lower and middle class families out. Only Amazon tech bros will be able to afford them. What assurance do we have that units will be affordable?

  • Shawn October 17, 2024 (10:08 am)

    This is great, though it’s obviously not going to be enough, it’s a good first step. If people want parking and traffic they can live in the suburbs, the east side is full of parking! West Seattle is an urban neighborhood and it needs to be zoned like one, especially with the train on the way.

  • Scarlett October 17, 2024 (11:41 am)

    Gotta to love all the  folks who extoll the virtues of merciless capitalism (move if you can’t afford it) and the American way but then suddenly – magically, poof! – turn into whiny protectionists who want the county to step in and save their bucolic neighborhood from rapacious, capitalistic development.   

  • Really? October 17, 2024 (12:06 pm)

    Five-story buildings across from Lincoln Park?

    • walkerws October 17, 2024 (3:02 pm)

      Why not. Sounds wonderful to put more housing across from an accessible park and right on the C line!

      • Hooch October 17, 2024 (11:35 pm)

        Exactly! For all those complaining that density means you never get to enjoy greenspace, apartments across from a big beautiful park seems an ideal solution.

  • Mike H. October 17, 2024 (1:25 pm)

    Why does this always devolve into parking?If you need parking where you live, choose a place that has usable off-street parking.  You have no more right to public parking on the street (free personal storage!) than anyone else.So you’ve done this but you have visitors? Ask the City to make your block paid and spots will be open for them.  Freeloaders will go elsewhere.Car owners are only victims of their own bad choices.

    • Brandon October 17, 2024 (4:01 pm)

      Comes back to parking because the sentiment for all these policies roots back to car owners made a bad choice in having one.  And we need to course correct by eliminating the means of having one in the name of some quasi-progress that falls flat when put to the test.

      Prosperity comes at the hand of liberty.  Putting people in a community of housing with little access to true mobility comes at their detriment. Sure they can take a bus or train to or from. But how often were you visited by friends and family who didn’t have a car? What’s the benefit to someone who has a job opportunity thirty minutes away by car but an hour and twenty minutes away by public transportation? We’re effectively kneecapping their potential, and pigeonholing them to fewer opportunities that others with cars will be able to take. And when the answer is, “they can move somewhere else”, the supply for those places is lower and costs increase so they’re priced out and stick with the new status quo. Rezoning/upzoing is essentially the city government tipping the predetermined market. They want to do it with a blanket approach – well that’s blatantly part of their crusade, but we’ll point out the consequences of the actions now that everyone will eventually complain about later, if that is, they ever figure it out.

      • Bbron October 17, 2024 (8:14 pm)

        “with little access to true mobility” love that the way to “truly” move around is gatekept behind a wealth barrier, an ability barrier, an age barrier, and an environmental barrier. not one transit advocate is saying that folks that don’t have access without a car should “move somewhere else”; it’s literally what y’all WS car centrics are doing in this thread about wanting to keep other folks out because they might take up too much of your space. you seem to have a knack for having the wrong take at every point of what’s actually the issue(s) with out transportation network. “eventually complain about later” sure, all i see is complaints from folks that live in the denser, culturally richer parts of Seattle, lol.

        • Desperately Seeking Saka October 17, 2024 (10:07 pm)

          Bbron, from Forbes 2024: The number of registered vehicles in the United States increased by 3.5% between 2018 and 2022, from 269,417,884 registered vehicles to 278,870,463 registered vehicles, indicating an upward trend in car ownership.[1]

          • Bbron October 18, 2024 (12:20 am)

            i’m not sure what your point is. the number of registered vehicles increasing doesn’t counter anything I stated. in fact it supports some of it. Seattle isn’t the entire US, and its metro area has below average car ownership than the US (like all or most other metro areas). is an increasing trend in number of registered vehicles a good thing, and not something we should be concerned about? how many more cars do car maximalists think the roads can handle? how many more cars can our environment sustain? how much additional road maintenance, paying beat cops to police traffic, accident clean ups, and people buried do you think that will cause?  cause to think that won’t happen would be a ludicrous conclusion. it’s almost as if we shouldn’t continue the status quo that’s unsustainable, and maybe offer alternatives to people. it’s always wild to see a group so adamant about reducing people’s choices because they should be good with making the same choices they made…

          • K October 18, 2024 (7:19 am)

            Desperately Seeking Saka, those numbers are for the whole country.  I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that those folks in Wyoming who are purchasing second and third vehicles are not looking for parking spaces along Admiral Way to store their vehicles.  Rates of car ownership in Seattle have been dropping dramatically in recent years, and creating housing that caters to that rapidly growing number of car-free households just makes sense.  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/seattles-rate-of-car-ownership-saw-the-biggest-drop-among-big-u-s-cities-by-far/#:~:text=Census%20data%20released%20last%20month,lowest%20rate%20since%20the%201980s.

  • Scarlett October 17, 2024 (6:49 pm)

    The original SFH zoning benefited a certain segment of the population to the exclusion of others and now up-zoning is simply leveling the playing to include those with different lifestyles.   A mix of housing is the egalitarian way to approach the housing crisis and those who move into these hated developments have real lives, real families, real jobs, and  joys and worries just like the rest of you.  Give the insufferable, small-minded nativism a rest. 

    • WS98 October 17, 2024 (8:40 pm)

      @Scarlett, with all due respect, MFH units (2-8 on SF, townhomes, condos, apt. rentals) have been going up all over WS and prices are not coming down. 

      • K October 18, 2024 (7:24 am)

        The new homes need to go up faster than people are moving here.  It’s basic supply and demand.  Prices are not going up as fast as they were, which shows that the new development is making a difference, but we need to do way more for prices to come down.  The supply needs to exceed demand before there’s enough competition to bring prices down.  

      • Scarlett October 18, 2024 (7:37 am)

        No,  West Seattle will never be affordable for many,  density or not.  Look at Manhattan, for example.  My point is that there is a snobbish pecking  order here and those in the standard SFH – “lifers” who often inherited a home, by the way – look down on those in those new “ugly” boxes who have managed to purchase/rent something as somehow less than human.    

  • Galen in Highland Park October 17, 2024 (8:14 pm)

    I’m excited to see interest in expanding commercial activity and more design on Highland Park. I’d welcome more spots to meet new neighbors.But what’s up with Highland Park Neighborhood Center being listed and NOT on the maps… Am I missing something?

    • WSB October 17, 2024 (8:16 pm)

      I added a clarification earlier. They confusingly included three prospective West Seattle “neighborhood centers” that were studied but NOT included, including that one, so I’ve updated all the references.

  • Gaslit October 18, 2024 (5:53 am)

    I have the best idea for all of the government officials who think dictating the types of homes people should have & the way we should all be transported. Please go live in what will be cheaply constructed boxes and walk everywhere. I want to see Mr Saka, Mr Constantine and all the rest walking up the stairs to their apartment buildings from the rain, carrying their bags of groceries or whatever else. This is yet another silly Seattle government project that will look nothing like the immature viewpoint that dreamed it up. 

  • Top Gear October 18, 2024 (12:12 pm)

    This notion that somehow people living in a duplex, 4-plex, or DADO with a garage, carport, or on-street parking are going to be less likely to own a car is ridiculous. One look at any new apartment complex with zero on-site parking will see that they’re absolutely surrounded by parked cars every night. Seattle has 610 car owners per 1000 residents, which is higher than Los Angeles. Many Seattle drivers have also registered (or not registered them at all) their vehicles outside of Seattle to avoid the RTA taxes, so that 610 number is actually higher. Seattle has more total cars than it did a decade ago no matter how you look at it. King County has the same rate of car owners as the national average and a huge percentage of daily cars in Seattle are commuters from other areas. Most people want the unlimited, 24/7 mobility that only a personal automobile car provide.

    • K October 18, 2024 (2:26 pm)

      Seattle has nearly 2.5 parking spaces for every man, woman, and child in the city, one of the highest ratios in the nation.  The notion that Seattle does not have enough parking is completely disconnected from reality.  What Seattle doesn’t have enough of is people willing to take responsibility for their own choices and the consequences of those choices when it comes to car storage.  

  • Platypus October 18, 2024 (1:08 pm)

    I love the corner lot development and cant wait to be able to walk to more little neighborhood shops! People who have been sitting on the fence of a opening a little sandwich shop, cafe, grocer, or small business this is your time!

    • CarDriver October 18, 2024 (1:45 pm)

      Platypus. We had a small grocery when you come westbound off the bridge past the steel mill. Another one on @50th and Alaska another one on Beach drive where there’s a restaurant now. There was one on Beach Drive next to the condo that goes over the water. Was a good-sized grocery at 61st and Alki. Was a good-sized grocery at 49th and Charleston. Was a grocery at California and Charleston. 2 blocks north of there was a small grocery on the NE corner. Moral of my story: Except for emergency needs everyone drove to Safeway/Thriftway/Met Market because prices were lower. All those small stores closed up. Doubt there’s anyone yearning to open up a small one now.

      • Rhonda October 18, 2024 (2:41 pm)

        Yes, CarDriver, that grocery store at Alki where Cactus is now was uber-expensive. It was a great place to buy a can of Coke, an Alki Beach postcard, and a SlimJim, but not a cart full of groceries. It was literally twice as expensive as the Admiral Safeway a short drive up the hill. Neighborhood corner grocery stores are great for highly-paid Amazon managers and dentists but not for blue-collar, middle-class folks.

      • Mike H. October 20, 2024 (3:28 pm)

        They find a way to profit from booze.  Chuck’s hop shop style, plus groceries. There’s money in legal drugs. 

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