Palin Story

[bcollins]

Gen and mel…the point of this thread was conspiracy, whether stated or not. By going off on the topic of the teen pregnacy in anyway, you brought the teen into it. Right?

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[RainyDay1235]

To the same point house, if the Obama camp had made a statement about Palin’s abstinance-only beliefs in relation to this situation (a easy connection), you would have probably found issue with that as well. Instead, they took the ‘high road’ – and yet you still find issue. Where would YOU suggest their moral bar be positioned then?

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[JanS]

You conservatives crack me up(directed at House)…you talk about family values ad nauseum, brag about teaching your children the right thing, call for abstinence only teachings, and then jump on us when we call you on it.

Now that above paragraph sounds pretty trite , doesn’t it. You know what I’d like, dear Mr. House? I’d like to know exactly what your values are, what you really think, if you’re pro-choice or anti-abortion. If you believe in something, then just state it, instead of just knocking those who may not feel the same with you. I’m pro-choice, and still value family. My morals are great, just as great as yours. I have no problem telling people what I believe, if they will listen, and not just roll their eyes and be sarcastic about what I believe in. We can agree to disagree…and remain civil.

Do I want anyone to run barefoot and preggers through AK? Not on your life. But the judgement that Gov. Palin used to out her daughter demonstrated to me that she may not choose the best in all circumstances. It certainly didn’t demonstrate to me that she puts family first. But that’s my opinion..yours is different, I suspect.

I keep asking myself if this is the person who I want answering the proverbial phone at 3am…a scenario that may or may not happen. And the answer that I keep giving myself is a resounding “NO”.

House…let’s have a real discussion about these things that we believe, instead of just dumping on those who may not see eye to eye with you.

And Obama was right, saying that the children should be off limits…that should go for her parents, too. And for you and me.

You lost me a long time ago the first time we met, had a friendly conversation, and then claimed that I, and others, whined to you. Do ya think that maybe we could inject a little honesty and forthrightness into these conversations? I may disagree with you on a lot of things, but I still would like to know exactly what you do believe in, how you really feel about the issues. It might be an enlightening conversation for everyone..and maybe, just maybe, you could sway some people with your ideas. Whaddya say?

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[angelescrest]

Hey H–

How would you feel if someone told you what you could or couldn’t do with your body? This woman makes me quiver with fear. How could you ever tell someone else what she can or cannot do. Our bodies are our own: that has to be a basic, flipping right. I cannot believe that perhaps you and–definitely others–feel that the government would have some say on the very precious and personal decisions that my daughters may have to make some day about their lives and the lives of their children. This control is what Palin espouses; she is indeed a danger to women.

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[GenHillOne]

This thread, as with others here and on blogs around the world, on multiple topics, simply morphed with the current events. If you feel that I should have started a new thread at #41, then I apologize, but I did not, nor did anyone here, bring the teen into it. Her mother did.

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[Cait]

Well, again, I think the issue isn’t what her daughter did or her views on what her daughter should do. I think we can all agree on that. My issue would be if she lied about the original pregnancy. I just don’t agree with her politics because I think they are pretty impossible to live up to (abstinence only education, etc) and you’d think that she of all people would understand that it’s not plausible. Not passing judgment at all, it happens all the time and I think her daughter is now acting in a responsible manner given her decisions. Not begrudging her at all, it’s just a little strange to see her on her high horse about sex ed and such given the situation.

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[JanS]

GHO…I agree wholeheartedly. I want to know that the person who is second in command, a heartbeat away from being in charge of the whole shebang, has good judgement. This didn’t show me very well. You have no need to apologize to anyone.

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[MissK]

Wow! I was unable to get on WSB till now and I seem to be under attack for bringing up a story. I brought this up for thoughts and what others thought, not to be attacked for “useless news” or be ashamed of myself. Thanks to those who defended me. I would say this was NOT useless news, if this woman is a heartbeat away from running my country, she is able to select justices for the Supreme Court, and could possibly take away some of my rights….then yes it is news to me.

I for one believe this new story of her daughter being 5 months pregnant is a farce to deflect the original lie. Too many pieces just don’t fit. I say the new pregnancy will either end in a miscarriage or still birth. I’m sorry but the republican party has done enough crap for the last 8 years and I have only a jaded thought process when it comes to them.

Again don’t attack me as I was not the one to invent or make up the story.

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[angelescrest]

Thank you, Miss K. In this household, we are grateful. I think there are layers of corruption (yes, lying, firing, covering is corrupt!) just starting to be revealed. McCain picked a doosie: the two scare the sh** out of us…and who can take any more of this after these eight years.

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[mellaw6565]

House- once again you twist things around and get personal with people on here. There is a big difference between disagreeing and bringing up items to support your reasoning. But frankly, when you start out your posts so angry and attacking, I find it hard to keep my ears open.

Miss K – strange that you brought up that this is a farce to deflect the original lie. I had similar thoughts and a similar speculation about the end result when I first heard the news. Whatever happens, I hope the girl gets the peace, privacy and support she needs and deserves.

As for Palin herself, the post originally questioned her judgment about how she handled this last pregnancy, if it in fact occurred. I’m willing to give things the benefit of the doubt and say that it is her 5th child – but what got me was the description of the long trip back and the risks she took with her baby and her own health. It doesn’t sound like good judgment to me.

That’s not to mention the myriad of other reasons that I don’t agree with her, like a woman’s right to choose, oil drilling, etc…..so for me her judgement will be a continuing issue for discussion.

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[HP]

On the issue of abortion, can someone tell me for instance why the government should get to make it illegal, if the woman is less than 12 weeks pregnant. I choose 12 weeks because there is no way a 12 week old embryo/fetus could live outside a mothers womb. Abortion is personal if a woman gets an abortion she is not putting the public at risk in any way. Now I will tell you I am a Christian. I am neither for or against abortion for all the women of the world because it is not my business what others do with their body. To me that is between them and God. It is not my business nor should it be the governments business. What happened to separation of church and state???

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[acemotel]

When there are so many important and critical things going on all around the world, to make ABORTION a campaign issue is ludicrous in the extreme. I know, it’s been an issue for many years. Abortion, sex education and abstinence (very personal matters) draw our attention away from real social issues such as income disparities, poverty, unemployment, energy, transportation. If politicians (Republicans in particular) would focus all the ridiculous attention they give to sexual matters to solving our transportation problems for example, we could be making great strides in reducing our addiction to oil.

When so often posters note that Palin is “a heartbeat away from the presidency” as noted earlier, it’s not a matter of IF but WHEN. Voting McCain for pres. in effect is voting Palin (if they don’t agree, just fire ’em) for pres. I can’t believe the American people can be so dense.

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[charlabob]

Abortion is one of the top five issues to 3 percent of polled voters. The amendment in California to outlaw same sex marriage is behind 60-40 in the polls. The R’s needed some way to rile up their “base”, because their base is shrinking. They used a 16 year-old girl and her “so far out of the mainstream she can’t see it” mother to do it.

H, you know damned well we didn’t think she should bow out. WE THINK SHE NEVER SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE NOMINATION, KNOWING THE EMBARASSMENT IT WOULD BRING UPON HER KID. If you don’t understand that, I pity *your* children.

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[MissK]

I just can’t wait till the debates. This woman stands no chance against Biden. I’ve watched different interviews with her and she lacks that polish needed for a VP. Yes she is personable, but as a person you would have coffee with, not someone who could be the 2nd to the country.

Ace I don’t think that what I do with my uterus is a sexual matter. I also don’t feel it’s anyones right to tell me what I can or cannot do with it. If I choose to have a child or terminate a pregnancy, I don’t want a man or woman telling me what I am allowed to do. So this is not a sexual matter in my eyes. This is also a matter of integrity, and as I see it the Republican party has lacked it for the last 8 years.

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[TheHouse]

Jan, name the time and place and I’ll be glad to answer any questions you have for me and I’ll explain my stances on whatever issue you want to bring up. I would just hope that you’ll let me ask questions of you as well.

If you want to re-hash conversations that went on a year ago, you and all the other people at the table were whining about people getting hired from food banks. It was whining and I explained, very logically what the issue with that was.

The nice part about life is that the WSB Forum is not a proper cross-section of the United States.

Just let me know when you want to meet up.

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[RainyDay1235]

We cannot let up on the BIG issues. The Supreme Court balance is more conservative than it has been in a LONG time – and things can/will change because of it. I have already seen some (imho scary) trends. I will do everything in my power to keep the Bible from dictating how I am ‘allowed’ to live my life. I respect your religion, if you respect my right to be a moral, upstanding American who does not believe in your God.

In other news, it seems the evangelical right has found the silver lining here….

>>”Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby,” conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. “But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values.”

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[meg]

Well, I personally think that Palin is a whack job. But that aside…. I can’t help but be incredibly skeptical of what we are already finding out. The republican party has been so deceptive and corrupt over the past 8 years that I really think they must be up to something. Something no good. They knew this (about her daughter) when they nominated her. So what is the deal? How do they think this helps them?

The ridiculous thing is the hypocrisy. If Obama had a 17yr old daughter that was knocked up, the republicans and righty christian folks and the racists would be having a field day! Oh how they would chastise the morals of the democrats/progressives (& go so far to “blame” it on race which is so effed up). But since they are all pro-lifey they are actually using it as a thing to celebrate!!! A gift that their unwed daughter is knocked up….and not married. That way they can spin it as “looky at how good we are…we make mistakes but we are forgiven because we then do the ‘right’ thing.” Vomit.

It all just makes me suspect. Why Palin would willingly put her daughter in the spotlight at this time. If this story is true, then I think she is totally using her daughter.

If it isn’t true….well, hand me the popcorn because this is going to be entertaining to watch unravel.

Does anyone know what the daughters family life is like? I wonder if she did it on purpose to mess w/ her mom?

Abstinence only education….wow, that works so awesome! Perhaps some education on safer sex and healthy sexuality would have been more valuable huh???

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[acemotel]

MissK, it goes without saying the Republican party has lacked integrity for the last eight years. (so many examples it boggles the mind) And in my mind, it goes without saying that uterine freedom is every woman’s right. It’s asinine that the Republicans want to make it an issue. And of course I understand the need to guard the rights woman have today, but what a waste of time when we could be working to solve some of our very serious problems. The Republicans are AGAINST government intervention in most things but FOR legislating the most private acts such as procreation. No wonder they need to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find any candidates.

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[MissK]

It’s funny to see the Republican spinners in action. Now it’s “no big deal” and that “everyone knew about it.” So much for the abstinence debate…..obviously it does not work.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Great post which addresses the real concern w/Palin as the VP pick. The real issue is not Palins lack of experience and anti pro-choice movement or her family life. It does nto lie with Palin at all it lies in the fact that McCain is far to irrational to be President. HE officially bombed the first “executive” decision he was put in charge of making.

It’s About McCain

02 Sep 2008 11:56 am

As the Palin pick starts dominating the news cycles – and not in a good way – you have to ask yourself what the fundamental point of this story is. I can’t put it better than this reader:

I don’t think it’s Troopergate, the curious pregnancy, the pregnant unwed daughter, the Alaskan separatists, or the bottomless ignorance that makes the difference. Palin is by any measure the worst vice presidential pick of the modern age (which considering Agnew, Quayle and Eagleton is quite a statement). The killer is McCain’s decision-making process and what this tells us about it. The man is a risk-taker who makes snap decisions “from the gut.” He liked Palin. She looked like a maverick and a bit like himself. He didn’t invest the time or resources to look into her deeply.

How can a person like this be put at the helm in a time of skyrocketing international tensions?

To my mind, this pick is not about Palin’s unreadiness to be president. It’s about McCain’s unreadiness to be president. This act of judgment – a blend of ignorance, gut, cynicism, and pure egotism – makes him seem like a worse potential presdent than even George W. Bush. This is McCain’s first real executive decision. And it is unbelievably shallow, incompetent and reckless.

How seriously does he take service to his country when he make a decision this important this crazily?

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[WSMom]

Thank you BDG – “How can a person like this be put at the helm in a time of skyrocketing international tensions?

To my mind, this pick is not about Palin’s unreadiness to be president. It’s about McCain’s unreadiness to be president. This act of judgment – a blend of ignorance, gut, cynicism, and pure egotism – makes him seem like a worse potential presdent than even George W. Bush”

I couldn’t have said it better.

Just imagine if Obama had chosen the former mayor of Oahu as his running mate. We’d be scratching our heads saying “huh??”

All weekend I’ve been pondering why McCain would choose Gov. Palin over a host of qualified women (and men). I just can’t wrap my mind around how he could consider Palin’s experience and character right for the office of VP (and potentially president). His decision scares me.

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[walfredo]

Some great quotes from Palin on a range of issues. And you thought Bush’s personal conversations with god the last 8 years where troubling!

>>>That’s the reason for an oil pipeline:

“I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that.”

Much, much more disturbing is her describing the occupation of a Muslim country thus:

“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Are these people trying to prove me right about what’s happened to conservatism? This is Christianism ad absurdum.

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[Trick]

In the NY Times today (call it leftist garbage or extreme liberalism if you want) they did a story on McCains first selections as VP. Lieberman, Tom Ridge were his first choices. Although it was stated that they both believe in abortion rights, and McCain caused an uproar with the evangelical conservatives which is a critical base for Republicans.

Culvahouse, a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vetting for McCain’s VP pick would not answer questions if the pregnancy was known before being picked. (hmmm)

Alaska’s Republican chair wasn’t even asked about Palin, neither was the Democrat Senator who is in charge of the ethics investigation on Palin was interviewed.

This story does and will define where they stand on such issues that we all are affected by.

It sounds like the Christian conservative vote will determine the Republican’s decisions, not only during the campaign, but also in the “office”.

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[missaudreyhorne]

Photoshop really brings another dimension to political races.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11510.html

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[JoB]

we can only hope that photo was photoshopped…

but i don’t think so.

it fits what i know of that group of people too well. in this case, i am the friend of a friend of a friend:(

I have been deleting my friend’s political emails for years now without comment because she is such a good person in so many other essential ways.. and because comment would only cause hard feelings.

I don’t know what she thinks about Pain as VP. She has stopped sending political emails since the choice was announced.

I do wonder why. it’s not like her.

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