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[JoB]

that’s a good question

we let ours get slushy last night i think

[JanS]

walker…enough with the unclench. Did you read what JoB said? She doesn’t care if women wax/shave or not..it’s their choice. Obviously, she is not alone about advertising about it, though, on a street in the Junction, since someone thought to start a thread about it. And others commented about it, too. We’re all allowed to have an opinion different than others on here..even you. And what we say has nothing to do with clenching and unclenching, for god’s sake. Believe me, you have no idea who we are and how unclenched we might be…

about this if kids ask thing, then they’re ready to know. Not always. A teacher that my child had in 2nd grade (a private church run school at the time) brought up the question of abortion, in the classroom, which brought up all sorts of questions to me about it…and sex..and what a can of worms. Yes, we answered, as succinctly as we could – not going into depth about it…but, wow, she wasn’t ready. And that was supposed to be my job when I thought the time appropriate. Yes, we left that school after that year.

[ellenater]

Having not read the links… is it okay if it’s slushy but drinkable. I have TONS of hummingbirds and they get really pissed off if I even attempt to move my feeder. It’s hilarious. My feeder is a vintage glass bottle with a copper bottom and it never gets completely frozen, just super cold.

rw, what a great story!

[wakeflood]

HA! Pontificate away, Seop! I obviously do.

And to reply to your embedded questions…

Yes

I don’t know!

Maybe?

Sounds likely

Yup

Um…

Mmm hmm

You’d think, right?…

…

:-)

[Smitty]

Thanks. I read that the poor things can have a heart attack trying to evade capture. We had a blanket thinking one of us could distract it while the other trapped it gently. I think we need to bribe it with some grub……

The other thing that worries me is that area is pretty busy now with the Christmas light show nearby. Please drive slow!

[seaopgal]

Doh … I should know better than to pontificate when wakeflood is on the scene :)

Re. why we don’t “feel” rich: I struggle with this a lot and really just have more questions. Is there something missing in our lives now that we cling so fiercely to material acquisition or place our security primarily (if not solely) in financial wealth? (I’m not talking about people who are surviving on no/low income, but those who have all the essentials of life and more but still do not feel like it is enough … or that it “might be enough for me but only if I don’t share any of it with others.”) If so, what is missing: thought? creative output? fulfilling work? family relationships (kin or chosen)? religion? self-actualization? Why have these long-time human aspirations — most of which are free and within our grasp — lost their appeal or ability to satisfy?

Or do we still value them but are being overwhelmed by the unprecedented commercialization of every aspect of our lives; by advertising that relentlessly forces us to compare ourselves to others, tells us we need to buy something to feel good about ourselves or that we must have a $1 million 401(k) in order to retire well; by corporate interests that frame every human interaction as a transaction and reduce every decision to a cost/benefit analysis?

Or is something else “different” from the past-that-seemed-better? Are we just older now and so experiencing things from an adult perspective that we didn’t have when we were younger? Do we have too much information … does knowing everything that happens in the world help us to understand and cherish our own lives in our own particular place, or does it just make us anxious about all the unsolvable problems? Did our more homogenous culture give people a greater sense of inclusion and security that is missing in our more diverse world?

[JoB]

Cait..

i thought i had said all i had to say on this matter..

but your comment that this is about women shaming women who make choices changed my mind.

this isn’t about women’s choices..

it’s about what we choose to advertise on our city sidewalks…

and shaming feminists for calling the practice of denuding the pelvic area genital mutilation won’t change that.

Nor will “Equating this with genital mutilation trivializes actual genital mutilation in a way that I’m surprised more people aren’t taking issue with.”

shaving the pubic area is genital mutilation… with some pretty ugly unintended health risks that you blithely sweep under the grooming choice rug.

no, it isn’t the kind of genital mutilation that removes body parts that won’t grow back…

but that doesn’t make it any less what it is.

Would you buy the argument that if a woman isn’t severely injured defending herself from rape that it isn’t rape?

nope. the difference in the severity of injuries from so called date rape and brutal rapes that often result in death doesn’t change the essential nature of rape.

Sexually speaking, I have no problem with what consenting adults choose to do in private. If women choose to shave their genital area for any reason, that is their choice to make.

i think it is a foolish choice on a lot of levels, but it is their choice.

i am guilty of making choices that i now consider foolish… You can’t imagine how horrified my mother was when i chose to put not only one but two holes in my ears .. permanently mutilating them.

i don’t regret the mutilation… but i sure didn’t think through the unintended consequences…

for some people there are none, but I set myself up for recurring infections and the necessity of wearing earring whether i want to or not..

but there you go…

Shave, don’t shave, it’s all the same to me. Personally i stopped shaving everything years ago …

for many of the same reasons i object to extreme genital grooming now

but i still find myself plucking the hairs out of my chinny chin chin .. there is no accounting for vanity

i am trying to rethink that one too but the truth is that even in your 60s advertising influences how you think of yourself .. of what you think is and isn’t acceptable

and i am having trouble with a personal image that includes perfectly normal hairs on my chin.

which brings us back to the issue…

What i have a problem with is promoting those private choices on our sidewalks.

because that’s just what advertising is.. promotion..

with the goal of increasing demand by making the product being advertised the expected norm

will today’s girls be struggling with whether or not to shave their nether regions in their 60s because we allowed advertising to make it the norm now?

i so hope not. because being a slave to fashion’s dictates isn’t in line with my admittedly feminist goals…

lastly… you said :

” An innocent mind isn’t just going to ASSUME that this means ANYTHING. Consider it a Litmas test for what your child has already figured out about sex jokes. If they’re asking, it’s a good sign that it’s the right time to tell them.”

which brings us back to the root of why this might not be a “choice” we want advertised on the street..

conversely… your child’s questions could indicate that it is a good time to ask yourself just how much you trust the other adults in your child’s life…

those kinds of questions can be a signal that someone has violated your trust in ways you don’t want to think about.

in ways that will affect that innocent little mind for the rest of their lives.

worth pondering, isn’t it.

[JanS]

Seriously, Wakeflood..at this point I don’t think shaming would even matter to them…they just don’t care…yep..cynical me..

[WSB]

Haven’t had to delete any threads in quite some time. Please don’t make assumptions. Re: the thread in question, I actually was the one who pointed the OP here in the first place after she e-mailed me to mention that she wondered what others thought of the sign. What better place to solicit opinions?

I too had seen the sign quite some time ago; one other person had brought it up in e-mail and I also suggested she post here, though that person apparently did not follow up, but my first question is “what did the business say?” and that person indicated yes, it had been brought to their attention, and they were simply thanked for their concern.

And yes, if you ever see some real tech quirk/problem here, clearing your cache will likely fix it. A long slow process of trying to upgrade continues moving along, something like a triple-tractor-trailer full of boulders going up a 20-degree grade, but we’ll get there. The forum is six years old this month, by the way. And in Internet years, that’s forever.

-Tracy

[wakeflood]

KBear, #9 – that’s a good point and one that bears discussion. (sorry for the pun)

Shame is partially about the shamed and partially for the observers of it. It’s an exercise in lesson-learning. Sure, you may get a Jack Abramoff to decide that buying legislators is wrong (AFTER prison) but you can make an object lesson to those future potential Abramoff’s or Ken Lay’s with societal pressure.

It’s one of the strongest forces we have for behavior modification. To see these guys function with impunity is as powerful a lesson as the inverse would be.

One only has to look at the number of kids who got MBA’s in finance and were stoked to get into hedge fund companies after school. They saw that stuff being glorified and ran to it like bears to a honeycomb.

How many “gotta’ be cool” 20 something’s would aspire to be publicly embarrassed or shamed?

[wakeflood]

Skeets,

I don’t disagree about the non-mutual exclusivity of wealth generation…as a general statement.

But the people you mention AIN’T the people who need shaming. The people who need shaming ARE the ones who don’t want a bigger pie for anyone but themselves and their fellow fiscal elites.

Remember the guys at Enron laughing about jacking the heating costs of the old ladies and lining their pockets at the same time? That’s real, and that’s the general mindset of these Kings of Finance. These Barons of the Invisible Hand. Invisible, my ass. They spend millions to buy legislation to ensure they can make billions.

At least Billy Gates got guilted enough by his mentor Warren Buffet to commit to philanthropy. Good for him. Now how about we unrig the game so the masses have a fair shot?

[datamuse]

Seconded, they took care of my cat for most of his 18 years, up to and including when I had to put him to sleep last month. Dr. Gomez is especially awesome. They can be a bit pricey because it’s a hospital–but that also means you can get tests, surgeries, etc right away.

I’ve heard there’s an excellent vet in White Center but can’t recall the name of the clinic.

[bird87]

I second Dr. Eric at 35th Ave. He’s great and there is massage. Easy, drop in, no hassle care.

[Sonoma]

Definitely the thread of the year, and not even by a hair. Probably the distant runner-up is guy sleeping in car outside house. Or something related to dogs, rude dog owners, rude dogs, people who are rude to dogs, dogs who are rude to dogs, etc.

[wakeflood]

Hey all,

I’ve been pondering what’s at the core of our current

values and why we have an UberClass that feels emboldened enough to not only stop paying lipservice to the basic goodness of economic fairness – but to actually suggest that it’s NOT anything to be pursued.

Basically, if you look at what Wall St. says publicly, it’ s “I got mine, you don’t deserve yours”.

It didn’t used to be this way. There used to be some modicum of propriety about greed and avarice that is just…gone? These people seem to feel no shame, nor guilt about amassing everything they can at the expense of others.

It’s obviously also part of other societal elements – not sure which one of these was patient zero? Racism, Religious Acceptance, Healthcare, etc.

I’m also not Pollyanna enough to assume that in the past, the underlying feelings of greed and racism didn’t exist, it’s just that those who felt them also felt compelled on some level to subvert those feelings enough to either not voice them or to not act on them in a direct way.

So, this thread is meant as a sounding board for anyone who disagrees or has some suggestions about how we can regain the conscious tool that is the ability to feel and act shamed.

Can we see change happening without adding shame back into the picture?

Personally, I don’t need to add religion into the equation. I’m agnostic bordering on atheist so I don’t need a scripture to back up my thought or action. Maybe others do?

Thoughts…?

[JoB]

Yesterday, a man i met when he lived in a tent in Nickelsville told me a story and asked me to share it with you.

He lives in a house now. He has for a little over a year.

At first that house was barely one step up from a tent. He struggled to pay his rent and spent most of his time on the streets.

But over time, he has made it a home.

It hasn’t been easy for him. the police have been a regular visitor to his house because a couple of his roommates fought regularly and loudly enough for people at the bus stop across the street to call 911.

On top of that, those roommates were malicious thieves. He, his partner and his belongings were less secure in his home than they had been in the tent at Nickelsville.

The last police call finally convinced his landlord to evict the disruptive roommates and his household decided to invite a couple of women who had been living in a squat (an abandoned house) to move in.

They moved in on friday and he celebrated his birthday this weekend by cooking a 20lb pork shoulder and invited them to share his birthday dinner.

He told me the invitation made them cry.

They gorged themselves like it was thanksgiving and afterwards sat around with that wonderful food coma look on their faces before going up to bed to sleep under the comforter they had just purchased for themselves.

He had little to give: the opportunity for a warm bed, a shared bathroom, a birthday meal and a home that was finally a safe environment , but he saw what a difference it made to someone who had nothing.

He told me the greatest gift he got for his birthday was watching them realize that they were in a safe place where they could eat until they were full and go to their room to sleep where they were warm and safe.

He was grateful to have so much to give to someone else and he is looking forward to helping them learn to trust that security enough to make something more for themselves.

Compassion for others is the gift that keeps on giving because it does as much for you as it does for those who receive it.

it never fails to inspire me when those who have such a fragile hold on their own security share that with others who have less.

Random acts of kindness are the true trickle down.. they keep on giving .. to you and to the next person who benefits .. and the next … and the next…

with the giver being the greatest recipient…

this is my Christmas story.

The gift he gave me when he told me his tale is the greatest gift i will receive this year.

Happy holiday …

and may you too share the gift that keeps on giving.

For me, this is the reason for the season.

[Wolley Segap]

JanS you missed my point so let be be more clear. The psychosexuality of the human animal began forming not in the disco era, or after WWII, or when you began going to clubs, but hundreds of thousands of years ago, when our ancestors were not riding on buses or going to work but running around naked on the savannah. I am harkening back to those formative times to help explain the origins of instinctive sexual response.

In case you are still unclear, I went on to propose that these autonomic responses are now hidden by the veneer of civilization but still quite powerful when consciously accessed & allowed to flourish. As for myself, my way has always been to look past the transitory dictates of style and fashion and try to be in touch with the real and the timeless—I find this naturalism more genuine and satisfying.

And FWIW, I happen to agree that there’s a strong element of female infantilization in the current practice, conscious or not.

[wakeflood]

The generation before us won a world war, paid to put themselves through school, took us to the moon, created computers that changed the world and a national highway system second to none.

We made pollution an issue worth paying attention to. But we split the baby every time something major needed to change.

We made consumerism the state religion, not that it needed much help but we sure didn’t divert it. We took faith in what govt could accomplish and tore it asunder just a few years after it took us to the moon and passed civil rights legislation.

We may have worked hard but we managed to leave a humongous mess to clean up. Like I said, huge missed opportunity. And one that leaves me cold.

[sagek]

I thank you for your concern but I am well aware of the dangers of craigslist which is why I have already turned down two people.

This is not his home as sweet a cat as he is. But it will be until I can find the right placement for him, even if it takes a few months.

[2krazy4words]

they sleep at night to conserve energy

http://www.worldofhummingbirds.com/sleep.php

[2krazy4words]

yes, but it’s ‘safer’ than craigslist and they can probably help in other ways. being you can provide a temporary home that helps them, and they can help you make sure Riley gets the loving forever home he deserves. just a thought…it might be worth a call or two to find out…then again, he might grow on you and have actually found his home :)

[seattlesparkle]

We are reducing the price to $800. The price includes both the washer and dryer. View photo on craigslist.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/app/4223135147.html

[seaopgal]

Agree with difficulty of getting up before dawn … and with dislike of teens and twenty-somethings (temps, of course).

[JoB]

seaopgal

i was hoping to avoid that getting up before dawn part.. though i am up every night between 3 and 5 so i could put a feeder out then…

but i am not so sure i could go back to sleep afterwards :(

tried a bigger warmer this morning.. we will see how that works..

if it does i may put one of those 12 hour heavy duty personal heating pad puppies on tonight..

it won’t be this cold forever…. will it?

[JoB]

and while i am at it..

this is a link to the go fund me site for an organization that helps homeless people one need at a time..

i think what they do is worthwhile

i think what they do is changing lives

but link to their slide show and see what you think

there are a lot of ways to help those on our streets

this is just one way

http://www.gofundme.com/FacingHomelessness

and while i am at it

Right here in West Seattle the Westside Interfaith Network ( WIN ) is going about the work of helping West Seattle’s homeless.. with a focus on families..

i am not sure if they have a website to link to but maybe they will beat me to adding their contact info.

i am pretty sure you can reach them through just about any church in West Seattle…

No-one should be alone and cold in this weather

no matter how many bad choices you may think they made.

they are all someone’s brother, sister, mother, father, child, grandchild ….