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[wakeflood]

KBear, #9 – that’s a good point and one that bears discussion. (sorry for the pun)

Shame is partially about the shamed and partially for the observers of it. It’s an exercise in lesson-learning. Sure, you may get a Jack Abramoff to decide that buying legislators is wrong (AFTER prison) but you can make an object lesson to those future potential Abramoff’s or Ken Lay’s with societal pressure.

It’s one of the strongest forces we have for behavior modification. To see these guys function with impunity is as powerful a lesson as the inverse would be.

One only has to look at the number of kids who got MBA’s in finance and were stoked to get into hedge fund companies after school. They saw that stuff being glorified and ran to it like bears to a honeycomb.

How many “gotta’ be cool” 20 something’s would aspire to be publicly embarrassed or shamed?

[wakeflood]

Skeets,

I don’t disagree about the non-mutual exclusivity of wealth generation…as a general statement.

But the people you mention AIN’T the people who need shaming. The people who need shaming ARE the ones who don’t want a bigger pie for anyone but themselves and their fellow fiscal elites.

Remember the guys at Enron laughing about jacking the heating costs of the old ladies and lining their pockets at the same time? That’s real, and that’s the general mindset of these Kings of Finance. These Barons of the Invisible Hand. Invisible, my ass. They spend millions to buy legislation to ensure they can make billions.

At least Billy Gates got guilted enough by his mentor Warren Buffet to commit to philanthropy. Good for him. Now how about we unrig the game so the masses have a fair shot?

[datamuse]

Seconded, they took care of my cat for most of his 18 years, up to and including when I had to put him to sleep last month. Dr. Gomez is especially awesome. They can be a bit pricey because it’s a hospital–but that also means you can get tests, surgeries, etc right away.

I’ve heard there’s an excellent vet in White Center but can’t recall the name of the clinic.

[bird87]

I second Dr. Eric at 35th Ave. He’s great and there is massage. Easy, drop in, no hassle care.

[Sonoma]

Definitely the thread of the year, and not even by a hair. Probably the distant runner-up is guy sleeping in car outside house. Or something related to dogs, rude dog owners, rude dogs, people who are rude to dogs, dogs who are rude to dogs, etc.

[wakeflood]

Hey all,

I’ve been pondering what’s at the core of our current

values and why we have an UberClass that feels emboldened enough to not only stop paying lipservice to the basic goodness of economic fairness – but to actually suggest that it’s NOT anything to be pursued.

Basically, if you look at what Wall St. says publicly, it’ s “I got mine, you don’t deserve yours”.

It didn’t used to be this way. There used to be some modicum of propriety about greed and avarice that is just…gone? These people seem to feel no shame, nor guilt about amassing everything they can at the expense of others.

It’s obviously also part of other societal elements – not sure which one of these was patient zero? Racism, Religious Acceptance, Healthcare, etc.

I’m also not Pollyanna enough to assume that in the past, the underlying feelings of greed and racism didn’t exist, it’s just that those who felt them also felt compelled on some level to subvert those feelings enough to either not voice them or to not act on them in a direct way.

So, this thread is meant as a sounding board for anyone who disagrees or has some suggestions about how we can regain the conscious tool that is the ability to feel and act shamed.

Can we see change happening without adding shame back into the picture?

Personally, I don’t need to add religion into the equation. I’m agnostic bordering on atheist so I don’t need a scripture to back up my thought or action. Maybe others do?

Thoughts…?

[JoB]

Yesterday, a man i met when he lived in a tent in Nickelsville told me a story and asked me to share it with you.

He lives in a house now. He has for a little over a year.

At first that house was barely one step up from a tent. He struggled to pay his rent and spent most of his time on the streets.

But over time, he has made it a home.

It hasn’t been easy for him. the police have been a regular visitor to his house because a couple of his roommates fought regularly and loudly enough for people at the bus stop across the street to call 911.

On top of that, those roommates were malicious thieves. He, his partner and his belongings were less secure in his home than they had been in the tent at Nickelsville.

The last police call finally convinced his landlord to evict the disruptive roommates and his household decided to invite a couple of women who had been living in a squat (an abandoned house) to move in.

They moved in on friday and he celebrated his birthday this weekend by cooking a 20lb pork shoulder and invited them to share his birthday dinner.

He told me the invitation made them cry.

They gorged themselves like it was thanksgiving and afterwards sat around with that wonderful food coma look on their faces before going up to bed to sleep under the comforter they had just purchased for themselves.

He had little to give: the opportunity for a warm bed, a shared bathroom, a birthday meal and a home that was finally a safe environment , but he saw what a difference it made to someone who had nothing.

He told me the greatest gift he got for his birthday was watching them realize that they were in a safe place where they could eat until they were full and go to their room to sleep where they were warm and safe.

He was grateful to have so much to give to someone else and he is looking forward to helping them learn to trust that security enough to make something more for themselves.

Compassion for others is the gift that keeps on giving because it does as much for you as it does for those who receive it.

it never fails to inspire me when those who have such a fragile hold on their own security share that with others who have less.

Random acts of kindness are the true trickle down.. they keep on giving .. to you and to the next person who benefits .. and the next … and the next…

with the giver being the greatest recipient…

this is my Christmas story.

The gift he gave me when he told me his tale is the greatest gift i will receive this year.

Happy holiday …

and may you too share the gift that keeps on giving.

For me, this is the reason for the season.

[Wolley Segap]

JanS you missed my point so let be be more clear. The psychosexuality of the human animal began forming not in the disco era, or after WWII, or when you began going to clubs, but hundreds of thousands of years ago, when our ancestors were not riding on buses or going to work but running around naked on the savannah. I am harkening back to those formative times to help explain the origins of instinctive sexual response.

In case you are still unclear, I went on to propose that these autonomic responses are now hidden by the veneer of civilization but still quite powerful when consciously accessed & allowed to flourish. As for myself, my way has always been to look past the transitory dictates of style and fashion and try to be in touch with the real and the timeless—I find this naturalism more genuine and satisfying.

And FWIW, I happen to agree that there’s a strong element of female infantilization in the current practice, conscious or not.

[wakeflood]

The generation before us won a world war, paid to put themselves through school, took us to the moon, created computers that changed the world and a national highway system second to none.

We made pollution an issue worth paying attention to. But we split the baby every time something major needed to change.

We made consumerism the state religion, not that it needed much help but we sure didn’t divert it. We took faith in what govt could accomplish and tore it asunder just a few years after it took us to the moon and passed civil rights legislation.

We may have worked hard but we managed to leave a humongous mess to clean up. Like I said, huge missed opportunity. And one that leaves me cold.

[sagek]

I thank you for your concern but I am well aware of the dangers of craigslist which is why I have already turned down two people.

This is not his home as sweet a cat as he is. But it will be until I can find the right placement for him, even if it takes a few months.

[2krazy4words]

they sleep at night to conserve energy

http://www.worldofhummingbirds.com/sleep.php

[2krazy4words]

yes, but it’s ‘safer’ than craigslist and they can probably help in other ways. being you can provide a temporary home that helps them, and they can help you make sure Riley gets the loving forever home he deserves. just a thought…it might be worth a call or two to find out…then again, he might grow on you and have actually found his home :)

[seattlesparkle]

We are reducing the price to $800. The price includes both the washer and dryer. View photo on craigslist.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/app/4223135147.html

[seaopgal]

Agree with difficulty of getting up before dawn … and with dislike of teens and twenty-somethings (temps, of course).

[JoB]

seaopgal

i was hoping to avoid that getting up before dawn part.. though i am up every night between 3 and 5 so i could put a feeder out then…

but i am not so sure i could go back to sleep afterwards :(

tried a bigger warmer this morning.. we will see how that works..

if it does i may put one of those 12 hour heavy duty personal heating pad puppies on tonight..

it won’t be this cold forever…. will it?

[JoB]

and while i am at it..

this is a link to the go fund me site for an organization that helps homeless people one need at a time..

i think what they do is worthwhile

i think what they do is changing lives

but link to their slide show and see what you think

there are a lot of ways to help those on our streets

this is just one way

http://www.gofundme.com/FacingHomelessness

and while i am at it

Right here in West Seattle the Westside Interfaith Network ( WIN ) is going about the work of helping West Seattle’s homeless.. with a focus on families..

i am not sure if they have a website to link to but maybe they will beat me to adding their contact info.

i am pretty sure you can reach them through just about any church in West Seattle…

No-one should be alone and cold in this weather

no matter how many bad choices you may think they made.

they are all someone’s brother, sister, mother, father, child, grandchild ….

[JanS]

Thanks, Sue. We have someone who periodically brings a cart back to our bldg. and leaves it sitting by the front steps. It’s sometimes been left there for more than a week. It does make it look like a slum, and is not needed. The store is across the street for craps sake.

[Sue]

I didn’t want to hijack another thread that mentioned this, so thought I’d start my own. I am amazed at the amount of shopping carts that I see all over West Seattle, nowhere near the stores that they belong to. I was taught that shopping carts do not go off the property of the store – except when you might have to wheel it a distance to your car … and then return the cart when you’re done. I used to live on Fauntleroy near Dawson, and several times a week I would find shopping carts in the alley from QFC, Safeway, RiteAid and even Thriftway, which was a mile away. I had the phone numbers of those stores in my cell phone so I could call and tell them where to find their carts, and they’d send trucks to pick them up.

I complained about this once on here, and a day later someone figured out where I lived and actually created a tall shopping cart sculpture directly behind my car in the alley. (I don’t live there anymore, nor do I own a car anymore, so don’t bother repeating it, whoever you may have been.)

Seeing these carts all over makes West Seattle look like a slum. When I moved recently, I actually had to initial a paragraph in my lease that said that I was not permitted to bring shopping carts from stores and leave them on the rental property. Seriously? Who has to tell adults not to do this? Well, apparently we do, but we shouldn’t have to.

I know that not everyone can carry heavy bags home; I’m one of those people. That’s why they sell rolling carts at places like Junction True Value and other stores. They make tote bags with wheels too. Buy one and use it. Or don’t buy more than you can carry for the distance you’re going. It’s really simple. But most importantly, respect the property of those stores, respect the employees that have to take time from their duties to travel all over town looking for carts and picking them up, respect the people whose property you’re littering with these carts, and have some respect for and pride in your neighborhood.

[JoB]

wake..

i agree that we failed.

i don’t know that we sold out so much as were blindsided and disillusioned in our loss

I was old enough to be participating as a young adult when Bobby was killed

and that death more than any other

perhaps because it was the concluding shot

really took the wind out of our sails..

it was too hard .. just too hard

i have never stopped speaking out

i was going to say that i stopped acting out..

but after writing all of my exceptions i realized that i never stopped…

i redirected and focused my efforts ..

but i didn’t stop

One thing i see about us boomers is that as a group we are getting our strength back

our willingness to do battle.. so to speak

refocusing as a generation.. inspiring our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren to demand more

i don’t think we are done.

trashing our pensions was a really stupid move on the part of the powers that be

i am hoping it is a fatally stupid move.

Our kids are really really pissed off ;)

yes.. i still have hope

not for the society that we hoped to build

i think that dream is gone

but for helping the pendulum swing back in the other direction

and perhaps move with more speed than anticipated by all

all you have to do is look around you to see that growing interest in sustainability…

you guys are doing us old hippies proud :)

I think Charla nailed it when she said

“I’ll sleep when I’m dead (thank you, WZ) and, until then, I’ll keep fighting. So will we all.”

so say we all

[JoB]

hubby didn’t see the hummers this morning so i am guessing they were either not attracted to the clear sugar water or the delivery points were too slushy for them to feed…

i got handwarmers today and will be sending hubby out with a warmed feeder before midnight tonight

[funkietoo]

2 Much Whine. OMG! You wrote it! Good for you! Using correct terminology just puts it in a whole new light, doesn’t it! (which by the way, I believe is much harder for people to use, without embarrassment, then slang). Think about it…they would never put the sign out with the correct terminology and if they did, the public would probably go super ballistic.

I too vote this best thread of the year! jannest—thank you for starting it.

[cwit]

Yeah, I’m not bothered by it. It’s fairly small text (1″ high or so?) on the bottom of a wooden laser etched sign. Maybe I’d think differently if it was blinking neon lights or something – who knows.

Let’s see a show of hands for people who were seriously considering going there but decided not to, due to the sign. Just curious.

[funkietoo]

Goodgraces. A big thank you to you and your neighbor for taking care of this girl.

If you haven’t already, please go to Seattle Animal Shelter’s,Lost Pet Page where they have a list of suggestions. http://www.seattle.gov/animal-shelter/lost-pets

Two that would be very helpful are in this situation are:

1. You can list her on ‘Found Pets’: https://web1.seattle.gov/dea/romps/Incident.aspx?FormMode=2

2. Search online Lost and Found listings every day. Especially check the listings on the shelter’s Lost and Found Database and Craigslist.

Thanks again!

[trickycoolj]

Just make something up when the kids ask. They have no idea that you’re lying. I found my mom’s diaphragm once when I was maybe 4 or 5. She said don’t touch mommy uses that to help her sleep. Oh ok. I never realized what it was until I saw the movie Mona Lisa Smile in college since those things are so out dated and not even taught in school. No harm no foul. When I was 10 and watching Seinfeld with my mom she was laughing hysterically about a ménage a trois joke. What’s so funny? Oh it’s a grown up joke. Figured it out some time in high school.

If it’s not age appropriate and not blatantly obvious you don’t have to tell your kids the details.

[charlabob]

Wakeflood, thank you for the reminders. I’m a little bit older but not at all wiser. However, I’ll sleep when I’m dead (thank you, WZ) and, until then, I’ll keep fighting. So will we all.