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[Kayleigh]

Let me get this straight:

1. Hillary can do no wrong.

2. If Hillary does wrong, see #1.

3. It’s racist to support Barack because he’s black, but it’s empowering and not at all sexist to support Hillary because she’s a woman.

4. Fearmongering is OK if Hillary does it; when Barak protests, he’s a big ole weenie who should toughen up.

5. Hillary is always a victim of hate when she is criticized. There is no fair criticism of her. (See #1 again.)

6. Barack is a big ole meanie for standing up for himself.

7. It’s cool to count your spouse’s experience, your teen job in the mailroom, your lemonade stand at age 5, and your twenty minutes at the nonprofit sector as “experience in public service”.

8. Olbemrann is gonna kick Hillary’s butt tonight. (this one is actually true.)

Do I have it straight now?

[Anonymous]

JoB – speaking only for myself, I like both candidates. I agree with most of your points, I don’t think Geraldine was being racist. Lots of people, famous, public, and otherwise have stated they are excited to specifically be voting for a “black” man. Just as many say that about the chance to vote for a woman. I feel that is all she was pointing out. It wasn’t that being black or a woman is their only qualifications, just a reason for giving them an edge, as it had done in her own campaign. Otherwise, why is Edwards out? He was a great choice and I’m disappointed he dropped out so soon. And why are we calling this a historic campaign if not for the black/female component. Is that being racist/sexist, or factual.

The only disagreement I personally have with your positions, is you don’t seem to want to see any faults in Hillary. That’s not realistic and almost sets the stage for making people want to find some. Of course, Obama supporters are just as zealous in their worship, but you portray yourself as being open-minded and interested in all sides. It’s not coming across that you are willing to be objective about Hillary.

[JoB]

did you all actually follow the link? … and watch the video of the interview.. or were you too indignant to do that?

and if so.. did you actually listen to what was said instead of just looking for justification for your anger?

because… Geraldine Ferraro says she didn’t say that he got where he is ONLY because he was black.. at least the the statement in context didn’t say that… it was never her intention in any way to say that he got where he is ONLY because he was black… the interviewer wouldn’t even let her point that teeny little fact out because it was so much better news if geraldine ferraro was a racist.

and by implication… Hillary Clinton a racist because she didn’t immediately fire her for being quoted out of context.

Ferraro did say that Obama is a credible candidate. did you hear that?

And she said something else that it might be wise for those who want Obama to succeed in the fall (if he wins the nomination) to listen to very carefully.

She pointed out something which i think you all would do well to hear while you are busy polarizing opinion…

that if Obama is the candidate… he should be just a little bit more careful who he smears as he works his way up the ladder because he is counting on those very people to raise funds for him and campaign for him in the fall (Geraldine Ferraro is a big democratic fund raiser).

I for one am still going to campaign for him this fall (if he is our candidate) because i won’t be a party to a McCain victory.. but i can tell you right now… the only reason is that i don’t want McCain for president. I am NOT impressed with Obama. I am less impressed every single day he campaigns.

I can’t believe how myopic you are all being. Obama is NOT running a clean campaign. There was nothing clean about the attack on Ferraro.

It is the Obama campaign who took the comment (at a non-campaign paid speech on another subject… in response to a direct question about Obama’s carrying the black vote) and used it out of context; labeling it as as racist.

Anyone who actually thinks that Geraldine Ferraro is a racist had best go take a good look at her political history.

Do you realize that by those same standards.. you label me a racist.. and that is about as far from the truth as anyone can get.

Do you really think labeling good people racist is inclusive? Do you think this is the way to make them work for your candidate in the fall?

get real!

As for Barak.. he is making capital out of both his name and his race… and it’s good for him to do so. Yes.. being a black candidate named barak has been very good for his campaign.

It may not be good for his eventual safety.. so we should be paying a lot of attention to who he would choose as a running mate.. but it certainly has been good for his campaign.

those who believe in political correctness are stumbling all over themselves trying not to offend his sensibilities.. and it appears it is so easy to do so.

Which by the way is turning out to be incredibly divisive… because he has taken the high road… he says so.. that makes anyone else on the low road… he says so…

what could possibly be more divisive than dismissing anyone who doesn’t agree.

Kayleigh.. i think your statement on Hillary.. which to give you credit has been consistent from the beginning.. shows who has lost their rationality…

“Some of us flat-out dislike her mean streak, her sense of entitlement, her fearmongering, her divisiveness, her reputation, her conservative past, her disrespect of Obama, and her betrayal of the party. Period.”

You have regurgitated just about every right wing slur the republican party has been able to throw out…

except those that the democrats who would like to see anybody but Hillary and the Obama campaign created:

her conservate past …her voting record is every bit as progressive as Obama’s…

Her disrespect of Obama … What part of she is campaigning against him .. not for him.. has everyone missed? …

and i haven’t noticed Obama being so respectful of her either… but nobody seems to mind that.

her betrayal of the party … I love this one… she is not the one thumbing their nose at the party.. something everyone seems to be missing.. Obama is… didn’t anybody actually read the Rolling Stone article on Obama’s campaign? have you not listened to his constant criticism of the Democratic party? Obama may have been embraced by the anybody but Hillary faction of the Democratic party… but he has not in any way supported or tried to work with that party…

yet.. when push comes to shove.. he is certainly going to feel entitled to that party’s support.

oops.. did i just use the entitlement word against obama.. yup!

her fearmongering … so she reminds voters that it might be good if someone with a little more experience.. (and let me define that for you since some of you think that only applies to the amount of time she has held elected office… all other experience being unpaid or not in charge.. so it doesn’t count)…someone who has actually been paying attention to international politics for a long time and who has taken the initiative to be educated on those matters…. that someoen with expreience took the calls that our current administration has made much more than likely… that is fearmongering? that is political labeling.

Those political labels are the filter through which you see her every action…

She can’t even say that Obama is outspending her to make her supporters aware that without more contributions, she will not win … without you taking it as a personal slur against Obama.. she’s implying he’s got corporate money? i don’t think so.

Who has lost their perspective?

And each and every one of those charges has come from the Obama campaign… i know because i receive his emails … I think there is derogatory labeling of Hillary in every one of them.

this is a strange way of running a clean campaign… perpetually smearing your opponent with emotionally charged assertions that distract from the actual issues….

let’s see.. where have is seen that lately?… oh yeah.. it was from the Carl Rove playbook. imagine that.

i must be mistaken because Obama tells me that Hillary plays from that playbook and if obama says it.. it’s true…

Yup, i’m sarcastic.

I have already taken one walk today.. and i would like you to know that West Seattle and all of the reasons i love it are still out there. This morning i saw a bald eagle perched above alki… and watched the sea churn against the wall at alki point.. and some black and white ducks enthusiastically fished in the choppy waters.

i think i will go take another. it beats washing dishes.

[Kayleigh]

PS: It’s perfectly reasonable to believe that Hillary is the best, smartest, and most experienced candidate. And it’s reasonable to have objections to her and dislike her on her own merits.

I don’t particularly care if I see a female president in my lifetime or a black president; though both would be cool, that isn’t my priority. I *would* like to see a true progressive president in my lifetime who would make a difference for blacks and women and everybody else.

[JanS]

JoB…I love you…but I am also gonna agree to disagree with you on this one. I think you’re looking at the wrong elephant. I agree with Charla..”I don’t object to her stating that he’s black. I object to her saying that he only got where he is because he’s a black man.” That’s as bigoted a statement as ever. Take Ms. Ferraro out of the process…pretend that she’s just another person on the street. She can have that opinion and state it as such, and we would agree or disagree, and feel that it’s a tad racist. But she’s not just a person on the street…she’s deep in the Clinton campaign…and there’s the difference. She can feel however she wants to..just needs to keep her mouth shut.

This has nothing to do with Hillary, or sexism, or some smear campaign, real or imagined. It has to do with who is around her, who she keeps despite their feelings on things and how they express themselves. If it were any other candidate saying that they reject what was said but that they’d keep the person on, we would be just as vocal about what that candidate really feels…again…just MHO…

[JanS]

thanks, Sue…that’s great…we appreciate it :)

[squareeyes]

What’s the brand of the fireplace? When my Valor gas insert quit working I got the list of authorized dealers/service from their website. It just needed a cleaning and a couple of small parts replaced. I love my gas fireplace; it’s my primary heating source for the entire (800sqft) house. I *think* I used Sutter Home & Hearth (it’s been two or three years) – the technician was a very enthusiastic proponent of the brand and took the time to explain what he was doing and answer all my questions – something I appreciate.

[Kayleigh]

Jo, you have lost your rationality on the subject of Hillary. Over and over we have offered thoughtful, reasonable reasons why we don’t like her or don’t think she is the best candidate. You insist it’s because of the right wing smear machine, or because she’s a woman, or because we’re somehow blinded to her brilliance through our own character flaws.

Some of us flat-out dislike her mean streak, her sense of entitlement, her fearmongering, her divisiveness, her reputation, her conservative past, her disrespect of Obama, and her betrayal of the party. Period.

Maybe her campaign can come into the milennium and stop with the race baiting. Before she alienates even MORE Democrats.

[rs261]

Its funny, I never really thought about his race or Hillary being female until the press brought it up early on. And about a month ago was the first time I thought to myself what a target Barak would be to hate mongers. The reason why Obama got secret service protection before any other candidate in history is because of his race. Hillary already has it due to being a former presidents wife. Being female, being black are both who they are, Clinton used to play the whole I’m a female thing, it didnt work for her, why cant Barak play the I’m a black man thing?

Its not because its THAT man you cant acknowledge his race…its because this is a person who is involved in THAT campaign making those statements. Obama is trying to run a very clean campaign, Clinton using Bill’s methods is having a hard time doing the same.

Is it better to be a black male in this society then a white female? I dont think I could answer that as I am neither. Me, the middle aged middle income white married male, I’m the one who isnt that remarkable.

What would Hillary do if one of Barak’s workers made public statements about her only being where she is because shes female? (not the press mind you, they make statements about race and sex all the time). Its a game the two of them are playing, and Obama is just playing it slightly better at this time.

Oh, and I would love to vote for a female president/judge/any other public position, as a matter of fact, I wrote my wife in for the last election…even if I dont agree with all of her views. She didnt win.

Oh and as for republicans, I see them as 50% democrat anyways…there are really very few issues they differ on greatly. They all want more education, a better economy, a safer nation…etc etc, its all just a matter of how we get to those.

[Anonymous]

JoB – Know that you have company as you shake your head in wonderment. You said it perfectly. I think it’s going to get even uglier regarding race, and I don’t mean by any other candidate than Obama himself.

[charlabob]

JoB, we do have to agree to disagree — but charla also has to clarify: I don’t object to her stating that he’s black. I object to her saying that he only got where he is because he’s a black man.

As he said last night, <not precise quote> “If I were sitting down to list the pluses on my side, being a black man named Barack wouldn’t be two of them.”

I would agree with you that it isn’t racist: it’s pathetic, desperate and silly. And I’m embarasssed for two women I respect and love.

c

[Sue]

I arranged for the event to be advertised in the weekly “eNews” email that goes out to all members and friends of the West Seattle Unitarian Universalist Fellowship on Wednesdays – since our congregation deals with social action and charitable issues in the community and beyond (among other things), I thought that it would be the perfect place to mention it and get some exposure. I just got the eNews and it was mentioned there with a link to the main blog article with info.

[add]

Uh-oh, WSB is behind by 7 votes! Get thee to the polls!

[JoB]

charlabob..

we are soooo going to have to agree to disagree on Gerladine Ferrarro and what she said.

Obama can mention that he is black. He can pander to the black vote. his campaign advertises and quotes from several black celebrities including Colin Powell who cite him as a black man and a black candidate.

Yet, his campaign shouts with indignation at anything that even hints at racism…. makes mountains out of molehills…

It is not ok for anyone from the Clinton campaign to even state that he is taking the black vote… because that implies he couldn’t do it if he wasn’t black.

Give me a break!

It’s a great political strategy on Obama’s part…making mountains out of racial molehills… that means that the Clinton campaign can’t even ask black voters if it is in their best interests to elect this black man… and it might not be.

but it isn’t racist. Saying he can’t do the job because he is black is racist.

Admitting the man has color and that in this election it has been an advantage for him is not racist.

She was just naming the elephant in the room.

However, the campaign against hillary is sexist and everyone.. including women.. are ok with that.

One of the first things i said on this blog was that it would be easier for America to accept a black man as President than a woman…

and everyone popped up with.. oh, no.. it’s THAT woman. because it’s THAT woman it’s ok to be sexist.

but because it is THAT man it’s not ok to even acknowledge his race…

So America isn’t choosing a black man over a woman.. they are choosing Obama over Clinton.

His overwhelmingly taking the black vote has nothing to do with him being black in spite of the fact that he is up against a candidate that has consistently worked to support black causes… and he has countless black celebrities standing up and talking publicly about how wonderful it is to have the historic black candidate running.. how wonderful it would be to have a black man for president…

What fantasy land are you guys living in? Oh, i know.. it’s the land of should.. where none of this should make any difference…

I would laugh.. but right now i don’t think this is so funny.

so now let’s add one more item to the Clinton smear campaign.. she is now a racist…

but Obama isn’t taking a page from the republican playbook… is he?? … because you all righteously buy into it. He wouldn’t do that.

Joanne shakes her head and wonders why she bothers…

[rs261]

Dr. Krieger rocks. SUPER gentle staff, of course I have great teeth so, maybe I’m biased, but my wife loves going there too. I just wish they had some sort of discount for people w/o insurance…

[Kayleigh]

Interesting when someone (like Ferraro) says something bigoted or dismissive or disrespectful and then tries to convince us they’re just big brave truth tellers, or ‘saying what everyone is thinking.’ Yuck.

When people talk about race or sex in this election, I start looking for shag carpeting and faux wood paneling, because it seems to me those people are stuck in 1972 (or even earlier.) Race and sex are part of all our identities but in 2008, they really should be neither dealbreakers nor dealmakers. IMHO.

[JanS]

the fact that even she felt that if her name was Gerard instead of Geraldine , that she wouldn’t have been on the ticket, makes me sad…yes, Charla, disappointed. I know that Hillary has said she doesn’t feel that way…that she said that Ms Ferraro was wrong…but it wasn’t strong enough for me….

[GenHillOne]

Mr. JT, much like you, grew up elsewhere, but am really a 4th generation West Seattleite – raising the 5th. Followed the 3rd generation’s return to WS and have been here going on 18 years. How can I ever give up living 5 minutes away from three beaches? And REAL beaches (saltwater, right folks?), lakes are pretty, but…

[Sue]

LOL, Beasley, about what to do on Sundays in Lodi/Hackensack. I lived in Hawthorne and when I first moved there and found out all the stores were closed on Sundays, I thought they were kidding. Got to know the road to Wayne very well. :) In the end, I am SO much happier in West Seattle (and Seattle in general) than there!

[GenHillOne]

Speaking of parking strips…any gardeners have suggestions for drought tolerant plants that can survive dogs “relieving” themselves? On a corner, so plenty of space for walkers, going THROUGH the plantings not a problem, but ON the plantings, sometimes. Lavendar has done fine for years, but any interesting suggestions now that those have run their course? No pups are leaving us presents, so not really interested in policing the activity – ya’ gotta’ go, ya’ gotta’ go. It would be worse with burned spots in grass.

[san]

Thanks Bonnie! We are super happy with it!

[guitarboy53]

My gas fireplace is on the fritz, and I would like to have someone come out to take a look at it. Does anyone know of a local company that specializes in repairing gas fireplaces? Thank you in advance!!

[Trisket]

I really like Dr Kae and staff at West Seattle Dental.

[JohnM]

Andrea,

My son apparently knows of you (if he doesn’t know you)…when I emailed if he knew a “sibling group he responded with a last name that starts with D and ends in Y. That You? My kids names are Ryan and Allison.

[MrJT]

Moved to West Seattle in 1997, after being raised in Tukwila. But am a 4th Generation West Seattlite. My Great Grandparents moved to the area in the teens, Grandparents (2 still living here), and my Parents all graduated from WSHS. Even though I grew up down the road, I spent plenty of time here. I bet there are not many that have been down the hill on Charlestown with mom’s 1972 Country Squire loaded with buddies !