LINCOLN PARK PICKLEBALL? Court opponents gather in advance of protest next Saturday

Opponents of Seattle Parks‘ plan to convert former Lincoln Park tennis courts into six pickleball courts gathered today for what you might call a pre-protest. 16 people met up by the park’s main lot, some with signs, before standing along Fauntleroy Way to wave them.

They were strategizing for what they hope will be a sizable protest at the park at 11 am next Saturday (October 21st). They say they’re not opposed to pickleball, just opposed to this location for courts. Their flyers to publicize the upcoming protest are headlined “We Love Pickleball! But Not at the Expense of Seattle’s Biodiversity and Human Respite.”

The biodiversity reference is in relation to birds in the park, who court-conversion opponents fear will be chased away by the loudness of pickleball and by court lighting (which may or may not be installed following the conversion, Parks has told us). Opposition organizer Kersti Muul says she has an appointment to meet with the City Attorney’s Office to discuss her contention that the court conversion is not exempt from State Environmental Policy Act (SEPA) review; the city says it is because pickleball is not a change in use from the site’s previous status as tennis courts. This is a photo texted by a reader, showing Parks already has cleared the ex-courts of materials that had been stored there:

The conversion plan announced a month ago surprised people because local pickleball players were expecting Parks to make good on a promise to add pickleball striping to three of the six tennis courts at nearby Solstice Park when it’s resurfaced (which was supposed to have happened by now but is on hold until next year because of weather, Parks told us). Parks says it scrapped Solstice striping and came up with the Lincoln Park plan because both tennis and pickleball players preferred separate facilities.

144 Replies to "LINCOLN PARK PICKLEBALL? Court opponents gather in advance of protest next Saturday"

  • PickleWhatTheHeck October 15, 2023 (2:57 pm)

    Wow. This might be the most West Seattle thing that’s ever happened in West Seattle. I don’t have a dog in this hunt because I don’t care if they build the courts or not, but the amount of rancor and acrimony around this is amazing. And this in a world fraught with war and division already. From the exaggeration of one side — ball sounds compared to gunshots and freight trains (!!) — and the mockery on the other side against people who are trying to express concern for natural spaces…I’m embarrassed for everyone involved. We are better than this. 

    • Jackson K October 15, 2023 (4:19 pm)

      It’s a Multi-Purpose Park! Yes to a space where outdoor activities are welcome. “Lincoln Park is West Seattle’s major multi-purpose park – a nose-shaped bluff on Puget Sound just north of the Fauntleroy Ferry Terminal. Switchbacks on the north and gentle trails to the south connect a mile of seawalls, rocky beaches to a bluff of grassy forests and meadows with play and picnic areas galore.”(Excerpt from Enjoying Seattle’s Parks by Brandt Morgan)

      • 1994 October 15, 2023 (11:12 pm)

        Last time I looked Lincoln Park is a park, not a designated critical area.  Lincoln Park is not a protected area. If you don’t like the sound of pickle ball keep moving – the park is large.  

    • Andros October 15, 2023 (6:54 pm)

      I don’t really have a dog in this race either, but the sound of pickle ball is infuriating. May it  forever be an indoor sport, and never pollute our airwaves outside.

      • Jarsh October 17, 2023 (10:57 am)

        Sorry… when was pickle ball ever an indoor sport? What next, no wiffle ball on the playfields because that’s too loud? People complaining about noise of others in public parks is entirely laughable… it’s a park, where people go outside and make noise! What next? Tear out all the basketball hoops because the sound of the ball against the backboard? Ya’ll are crazy…

    • DL October 15, 2023 (7:52 pm)

      I know! I’m thinking, where were you all l when Trump got elected? 

      • Kathy October 16, 2023 (9:10 am)

        On the streets protesting. Hopefully you were there too? 

    • Richard October 15, 2023 (10:07 pm)

      The effort for west seattle to succeed from the city is hard to beat.

    • 1994 October 17, 2023 (11:43 pm)

      I would hope the WSB can post something about the outcome of the announced and expected meeting between: Opposition organizer Kersti Muul says she has an appointment to meet with the City Attorney’s Office to discuss her contention that the court conversion is not exempt from State Environmental Policy Act (SEPA) review

      • WSB October 18, 2023 (1:09 am)

        I have not heard from her since the Sunday protest, so I don’t know where that stands.

      • Pickle Rick October 18, 2023 (8:00 am)

        Well if she doesn’t get her way with the City Attorney, don’t worry, because she’s working on suing! For… Something! She’s here to save us all along with that old concrete dump… I mean, equipment storage area.

  • Jackson K October 15, 2023 (3:37 pm)

    Yay! Pickleball at Lincoln Park! 

  • Bigger picture October 15, 2023 (3:51 pm)

    Incredible that in the era of such a compromised supreme court our neighbors are protesting a pickle ball court.

  • wsea October 15, 2023 (4:13 pm)

    i’m sitting with popcorn for this battle.  I dont even have a side. As a non-pickle ball player and rare tennis player, why dont they spend the money to upgrade the current tennis courts in disarray?   Alki is the worst, and I say this as an infrequent tennis player.  Hawathai also has issues but more playable.   Maybe its just a turf war.  The added pickle nets seems to work.   Anyway, I’ll sit back and stay in my lane. 

    • J-Ro October 16, 2023 (12:24 pm)

      When Pickleball is outlawed, only outlaws will play Pickleball!

  • Plf October 15, 2023 (4:16 pm)

    First world issue-golly with all the issues in our community and nationally and internationally this seems rather silly
    It’s a park, seems like out door activities should be in a park that provides acess to all

  • Rhonda October 15, 2023 (4:34 pm)

    I’ll gladly be at the protest next Saturday. Lincoln Park is a sanctuary worth saving!

    • Jackson K October 15, 2023 (5:24 pm)

      See you there Rhonda! I’ll bring my pickleball paddle in support of our new courts! 

      • Rhonda October 15, 2023 (6:02 pm)

        Future generations will appreciate the majestic trees and quiet serenity in Lincoln Park, not your forgotten pickleball paddle in your junk drawer.

        • Alki resident October 15, 2023 (7:24 pm)

          Rhonda why are you so rude? Are you that angry with your neighbors because you don’t want something others want? If you don’t like pickle ball then don’t go to the court at Lincoln Park. There’s zero reason to be so nasty over a sport people love. 

          • Rhonda October 15, 2023 (10:16 pm)

            Why are you being so rude over a park people love?

          • Alki resident October 16, 2023 (1:05 pm)

            You can have both and be happy and people will come regardless. It’s overkill how dramatic this has become over something that was once there. Like I said before, half of the people complaining don’t even understand that that slabs been there for years and years.,

          • Michael October 15, 2023 (10:30 pm)

            Hi Alki Resident. Are you familiar with the ideas of noise pollution and light pollution? As I understand it, the opposition to the use of that space in Lincoln Park for pickleball is motivated by worries about noise and light polluting the park. The article mentions, “court-conversion opponents fear [wildlife] will be chased away by the loudness of pickleball and by court lighting.”

          • Reed October 16, 2023 (7:32 am)

            Michael if noise pollution is really the argument here, then vehicle traffic on Fauntleroy and the ferry terminal need to be shutdown.

          • Alki resident October 16, 2023 (1:10 pm)

            Reed absolutely 100%, let’s start that protest asap. 

          • Alki resident October 16, 2023 (1:09 pm)

            The ideas of noise pollution and light pollution are made up to fit your agenda. There’s already plenty of noise in Lincoln Park and this already existing slab with people playing on it will make zero difference. 

          • Kathy October 16, 2023 (6:31 pm)

            + 1 to Reed about traffic noise on Fauntleroy Way, which is actually at a higher decibel level than pickleball noise and is constant. How do you think that impacts the wildlife? Not to mention the air and water pollution. By comparison, pickleball is low impact.

  • dzag October 15, 2023 (4:46 pm)

    We should be using all of this engergy protesting against crime, and helping people in need. Our seniors and victims of crime need help in the worst way. Maybe these organizers should do something better like volunteering at the senior center or the food bank. Not against a new activity to bring people together  our priorities in this city are backwards 

    • Rick October 15, 2023 (7:49 pm)

      What makes you think they are not involved in this services you mentioned? How’d you draw that conclusion?

      • Dzag October 15, 2023 (9:31 pm)

        I don’t recall ever seeing a protest demanding safer streets, supporting victims, and enforcement of crimes. (I could be wrong) Maybe the organizers of this event can put one on after this upcoming weekend? Tracy and her team do a great job of reporting crimes in this area 

      • Ryan October 15, 2023 (10:26 pm)

        Rick…OMG… the sensitivity around this issue is unbelievable. The sheer distain that is expressed for the pickle ball courts… rather than just be excepting of change there must be a battle… I prefer peace and compromise. If you don’t like the pickle ball courts don’t go near them. The birds and wildlife have plenty of space inside this park. If that’s your primary reason for enjoying the park, your sanctuary will not disappear, but possibly adjusted slightly. … except change and stop fighting

        • WS Res October 16, 2023 (8:47 am)

          You know what it reminds me of?  The protests about skate parks. (“The noise!”) 

      • Kathy October 16, 2023 (9:07 am)

        Thanks RickMost of us have been activists in this city for decades. This is a local issue that will impact everyone using the park. The debilitating noise is the problem. I’m tired of the vitriol in these responses. Please use your toxic energy for something constructive and lifegiving.

  • Steve October 15, 2023 (4:50 pm)

    Be grateful we live in a country with freedom of speech. Protesting pickleball in other countries could lead to grave circumstances.

    • umm October 15, 2023 (8:16 pm)

      You’re hilarious.

  • WS lifer October 15, 2023 (5:05 pm)

    Personally I could care less what happens either way here but jeez, maybe get a new hobby or even a life. With all of the issues going on in the world – Gaza, Kosovo, Ukraine, etc, THIS is where you are focusing your energy? A pickleball court? Very sad, but at least you got your pic in the WS Blog I guess.

    • Brian October 15, 2023 (7:32 pm)

      Respectfully, how the heck am I supposed to affect anything in Gaza or Ukraine by hand wringing about it in Seattle? Waste of time. 

    • Rick October 15, 2023 (7:53 pm)

      What makes you think this is solely where people are focusing their energies? How did you draw that conclusion?

  • S October 15, 2023 (5:31 pm)

    It’s being objected to by people in the community who believe in preserving the natural setting that Lincoln Park provides for both park goers and wildlife without introducing noise and light pollution that threatens the eco system. People would like to preserve that for future generations as well. Protecting our Parks and green spaces for wildlife habitat to live and thrive, trees and also people to retreat from the stresses of the world, to restore, breathe ,regroup in order to be available to help solve the problems of the world. I can think of no better issue than to protect the natural preserve that is Lincoln Park.  To those commenting how these people need to get a life, trust they have a life and values and probably work on many of the other pressing issues that  are being brought up,…are you?

    • Teri Ensley October 15, 2023 (6:17 pm)

      Well said

    • Laura October 15, 2023 (6:34 pm)

      I love this comment. Well put. Awful things are occurring around the world but we should still care about and act on behalf of our own corner of the world. It isn’t a display of disrespect or naïveté to want to protect the natural and peaceful environment of Lincoln Park. There are many more lives, human and otherwise, improved by the quiet serenity of the park than there would be by pickle ball courts.

      • Jackson K October 15, 2023 (7:38 pm)

        This. Is. A. Park!! Parks include courts, pools, playgrounds, BBQ pits, and other activities. No trees are being removed. An old abandoned tennis court (that is an eyesore) will be repurposed to include this new, popular activity that gets so many new people moving. The National Pickleball Association is testing new balls so noise will be minimal. If the noise is dramatically reduced, can we all get along??? Also, I need a new doubles partner, mine just moved to Tacoma.  

        • Sarah October 15, 2023 (8:20 pm)

          Ooh, your exchange with Laura reads like the beginning of an enemies-to-lovers romcom. Now I’m invested in Laura becoming your new doubles partner. 

          • Jackson K October 15, 2023 (8:46 pm)

            @Sarah, I’m a romantic. I hear the next episode of The Golden Bachelor includes a group date playing pickleball. Laura, let’s watch it separately and meet back on this thread? 

          • Another Romantic October 16, 2023 (12:48 pm)

            Jackson & Laura – when will that Golden Bachelor episode air?? Asking so I know when to tread back into this mess of a comment section and see what happens next in your budding rom-com. Will Laura show up to comment next? Won’t she? Such a cliffhanger already!   🤞, Jackson!! 

          • Jackson K October 16, 2023 (8:06 pm)

            It airs this Thursday (ABC 8:00 pm pst/Hulu) ! Laura, will you accept me as your Pickkeball partner? Too soon? OK, I’ll see if she’s back here next Thurs. I’m actually nervous. 

          • Another Romantic October 19, 2023 (5:26 pm)

            Tonight’s the night!! Jackson, Let’s Go!!  Pass the Popcorn, please pass the popcorn! 

        • Michael October 15, 2023 (10:34 pm)

          Yes, I think that if the noise and light were brought down to comfortable levels, (almost) everyone would get along well.

        • Stephen M October 18, 2023 (4:18 pm)

          @Jackson K, I honestly think if we can change the ball to one that has a more muffled sound we could indeed get along much better. I enjoy playing pickleball but can understand our neighbors’ complaints about the noise. It is pretty jarring, does carry quite a way and, given the current popularity of the sport, rarely ceases from dawn to dusk. If you’re not a fan of the game or even if you are this can be quite annoying. Not sure how annoying it is to our non-human neighbors that call Lincoln Park home, but I’m pretty sure most of them are not pickleball fans so they would probably also object to the added intrusion and/or welcome a quieter ball, too. 

    • Jerry Simmons October 15, 2023 (6:34 pm)

      Well said, thank you!

    • Raye October 15, 2023 (8:33 pm)

      Thank you! My thoughts exactly. Just the other day I took a walk on the waterfront trail. Birdsong, the laughter of little kids, and the gentle lapping of waves on the shore – these are the sounds I love to hear — NOT the obnoxious sounds of pickleball. And yes, I do care deeply about the crises in the Middle East and Ukraine, crime, poverty, corruption in politics, and the continuing destruction of our natural world.

      • Chris October 17, 2023 (8:23 am)

        Nothing makes me cringe more than the laughter of little kids in Lincoln Park.  I prefer the Plonk of pickleballs. If we are going to put such energy into a fight over public space, I say we fight for an adults only park. Seriously cannot stand seeing children in parks, chasing wildlife, being loud and obnoxious, wrecking vegetation. A kid free park would be an actual refuge.

  • Carol October 15, 2023 (5:52 pm)

    Well said S.  

  • Actually Mike October 15, 2023 (5:59 pm)

    Some of us go to the redwoods and find ourselves awed by nature’s beauty and inspired to protect it. Others look at the same scene and see all those board feet waiting to be made into the deck of their dreams. Same differences playing out here. We want No pickleball courts in Lincoln Park–and I think we’re in the majority.

    • Ice October 15, 2023 (9:55 pm)

      the great irony here is you probably drive your car to those redwoods, which your individual car does far more damage to wild-life and the environment than this pickle ball court would, and then you turn around and act like you are the enlightened nature lover who would never do anything to harm the natural world.

  • Morgan October 15, 2023 (6:06 pm)

    I oppose late night lights at this location—that’s be pretty bad nature wise …but if you can picnic and kick a ball midday, why not bounce a ball?

  • onion October 15, 2023 (6:12 pm)

    The bluff trail is one of the most peaceful places in West Seattle. I understand why people want to preserve this experience. And to people who suggest this is a problem manufactured by entitled people, I’d point out the diversity of income, age, and ethnic backgrounds that use Lincoln Park. People with money have many more opportunities to experience nature. If anything, I’d argue that the protesters are working for the benefit of less privileged neighbors.

    • andreea October 15, 2023 (8:07 pm)

      The proposed location is nowhere near the bluff trail.

      • Denise October 15, 2023 (9:40 pm)

        It is literally about 100 feet away. 

      • Ly October 15, 2023 (11:53 pm)

        It’s close to the bluff trail. 

        • Alki resident October 16, 2023 (1:13 pm)

          It’s NOT close to a bluff. This is more reason why people need to stop making things up as they go. Pretty soon someone will say we can’t have the court because it’s too far from a bathroom. 

    • Adam October 16, 2023 (6:30 am)

      Ah! Gently and almost unnoticeably turn this into a “race” or “equity” issue! I luv it! I can’t imagine this tactic will look childish years down the road! Keep it up! Also, your favorite cafe wants to close early on Friday evenings, and someone parked in the free street spot out in front of your house! Race! Equity! Also, the candidate you didn’t like might’ve gotten elected! Race! Equity! Geez! Why won’t anyone listen to you anymore! You have such great ideas!!!

  • Jamie October 15, 2023 (6:12 pm)

    The New York Times wrote a piece on pickleball noise, if anyone is interested. It’s called “Shattered Nerves, Sleepless Nights: Pickleball is Driving Everyone Nuts” (June 30, 2023). Some of the people interviewed described it as living next to a pistol range, and the article says there people involved in the sport trying to figure out how to quiet the noise a bit. It’s an interesting read.

    I still have yet to hear a game of pickleball, but apparently it’s more annoying in terms of noise than other ball sports. 

    • Alki resident October 15, 2023 (7:03 pm)

      The park has hours so who’s playing pickle ball when you’re sleeping?

    • DL October 15, 2023 (7:56 pm)

      It is. I personally, have a really visceral reaction to it, like nails on chalkboard. I can’t control it. And that’s part of why tennis players don’t want to share court. I play tennis and I couldn’t do it if pickle ball was happening in the court next to me. It’s not a conscious response. The sounds has been proven to have qualities that certain people can’t handle. 

    • Adam October 16, 2023 (6:31 am)

      The New York Times writes a lot of horse sh— stories. Add this to the pile of newsprint used to start a fire this holiday season. 

      • JustSarah October 16, 2023 (1:22 pm)

        Yes. And these pieces are literally written in response to manufactured outrage just like this. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • AmyT October 15, 2023 (6:21 pm)

    This is so ridiculous yes I know they are saying just replacing the old tennis courts but on the same hand I believe we should preserve this treasure of ours pandemic we saw a rise in our wildlife and those trees and wildlife support our lives without them we wouldn’t have I drive around WSAll the time and it’s rare I se people playing on any of our tennis courts why can’t share ? And or set up a reservation system like golf etc. 

    • umm October 15, 2023 (8:14 pm)

      Maybe if you are so interested in preserving trees and wildlife DON’T DRIVE AROUND WS ALL THE TIME.  I’m not kidding.  All these people annoyed about pickle ball (replacing a currently abandoned, paved court!!) thinking nothing about driving to the park to enjoy nature.  You all are so much worse for the environment than someone who busses or bikes or walks over to play pickle ball.  

      • anonyme October 16, 2023 (9:27 am)

        And why are you so sure that people don’t walk, bike, or bus to the park to enjoy quiet?  I know I do, and I’m sure many others do, too.  Your assumptions are WRONG.  Nor do all issues that affect trees and wildlife involve cars; this is just a red herring to distract from your pro-pickleball agenda.  The noise that affects both wildlife and human visitors to the park is equally valid – and the wildlife isn’t driving to the park, to my knowledge.

        • umm October 16, 2023 (5:25 pm)

          The person to whom I was responding wrote “I drive around WSAll the time”

  • Seawalk October 15, 2023 (6:38 pm)

    S: it’s a pickle ball court. Folks let’s all resolve to spend more time outdoors…take a walk, play kick the can, go for a run, play pickle ball, ride a bike, whatever, just go outside. It’s not like the park service is proposing a three story parking lot, which would actually get unanimous support. I mean there’s a gas station across the street and the traffic on Fauntleroy is constant, so it’s not like our goal here is to protect some pristine natural environment. Although, I don’t play pickle ball, however, I encourage all to maybe leave the Subaru at home and just get out. Explore your neighborhood, walk to the park. I get it. We are all worked up over politics, the climate, etc, but pickle ball is really not the issue. It’s okay, Breathe.

  • Lindan October 15, 2023 (6:45 pm)

    I lived right above Lincoln park.. all the noise carries up and across like crazy.   Now I live  about a mile from pickle ball courts.. the pings are loud.  It’s much louder  than tennis.  Just saying.

    • JustSarah October 16, 2023 (11:55 am)

      You hear pickleball from a mile away? Wow, I’d love to know more about that. I live just over a block from the park. I hear ferry horns, car horns, track meets, bagpipers, park orchestra performances, and more from my place. If I hear pickleball, it will just be another sound of people enjoying the park. I’ll probably even be able to walk past the courts without going deaf!

  • Pass the Popcorn October 15, 2023 (6:53 pm)

    I could not care less how this turns out but just want to thank everyone involved for churning out some melodramatic, low-stakes drama this past couple of weeks.  It’s been fun to read!

  • PickleMeThis October 15, 2023 (8:23 pm)

    While we’re at it can we also discuss removing the baseball fields at Lincoln park? The cracking bats and cheering are enough to drive the geese farther south (assuming they don’t get ‘rescued’ by the Vashon Island Saviors). And what about all of the noisy tikes at the playgrounds? It’s enough to drive even the squirrels and crows batty! Serenity now!

  • EMPM October 15, 2023 (8:28 pm)

    We frequently watch the Barred Owls that sit in the trees (or sometimes directly on the fence) surrounding these old tennis courts. I hope they stick around.To those who argue that Lincoln Park is a park and designed for use, yes, but we live in a city with fewer and fewer quiet green spaces, and more concrete, congestion, and noise every day. Established, healthy, green spaces with wildlife are becoming rare within the city. I think the argument here is that many park users are concerned with anything that makes this natural area smaller or less quiet.

    • Alki resident October 15, 2023 (9:02 pm)

      If that’s your concern then file a petition to get rid of the two pools in the park and relocate the ferry system. Close off Fauntleroy so we’re not hearing sirens everyday. 

    • Scarlett October 15, 2023 (9:49 pm)

      Just a point of clarification on Barred Owls.  Barred Owls are not native to this area.  They are a very aggressive owl  (as many can attest to) that has wreaked havoc with native owl populations in the NW, include its doppel-ganger,  the Spotted Owl.  They deserve at least as much blame for reducing Spotted Owl populations as logging.  

  • Marsaw October 15, 2023 (8:49 pm)

    Pickleball is stupid and so is protesting it. This is what ya’ll getting worked up about? Ya’ll need some real problems to go solve. 

  • TJ October 15, 2023 (8:50 pm)

    City parks were set up for human recreation. Never were they for wildlife. Those are called wildlife refuges. The wildlife there now won’t be displaced by pickleball, and if they are they will move a hundred feet away. And in this case Lincoln Park is big enough for lots of different activities,including nature walks and pickleball on what is now an abandoned, unused, piece of land that once was tennis courts. I wonder what will happen if Seattle ever gets to a point where there are real issues to complain about

  • Gaslit October 15, 2023 (9:03 pm)

    Seems like these people need something to do. Maybe they should join a pickleball league 

  • Neighbor October 15, 2023 (9:49 pm)

    Seattle Parks and Recreation has decided to make a space that has been unusable for years by park goers into a space that all ages and abilities can use. Park visitors will be able to RECREATE inside a PARK, much like the ball players, swimmers, bikers, runners and walkers are able to do.  It is a big, beautiful park, and it is for everyone. If I’m on a walk and don’t want to hear pickleball bounces, or people laughing and having fun, I will take a different route, but sometimes it’s a very nice thing to see and hear people enjoying themselves. Wildlife adapts, as do reasonable humans. 

    • Marine Jim October 16, 2023 (2:22 pm)

      The noise indeed will impact the top of the park. People won’t be able to enjoy quiet picnics on the meadow which is right near the park. Go there and see for yourself what’s at stake instead of demanding  that other people post photos. Do a Google search for pickleball noise in the news– youll see articles from across the country. Do research, please. It will be time better spent than sharing these vitriolic comments.

  • Denise October 15, 2023 (9:54 pm)

    People need to know where the site is located in the park. I took this photo last summer from the bluff trail. The meadow is in the middle, and the site for the SIX pickleball courts is on the far left behind the big tree. You can see the compost pile that was there on the site until a few days ago. This is the area that will be most impacted by the noise. Although it will also reach the playground, picnic area, the woodlands and forest. Every time I post this the pickleball people seem upset. It seems like they don’t want people to know where this is. 

  • Go Away Indoors October 16, 2023 (12:40 am)

    Leave the tennis courts aloneStay out of Lincoln ParkTake up space in Westwood ~ staples, rite-aid possibly.  24/7 in ideal conditions Surely a question for our city council candidates. Ha!

  • JustSarah October 16, 2023 (12:49 am)

    The people organizing this “movement” are just SNL-sketch level NIMBY. Portlandia has nothing on this. This is what NIMBYism is, guys: to claim to support X, just not near where you live/recreate. In this case, the organizers keep claiming they’re not against pickleball; their latest flyer even claims they *love* it! See, they’re hip and like fun… Just not here. Somewhere else. Where? Not their problem. Even when there’s a very suitable, unused space for it, money on the table to find it, and a very clear community demand for courts in this quadrant of West Seattle. There are literally no options west of 35th, south of Alki, north of 148th in Burien. That’s a lot of area without courts, therefore a lot of people traveling, likely driving, for pickleball. People want this and the location makes sense. 

    • nopicklepark October 16, 2023 (10:40 am)

      SOME people want this.   OTHER people don’t.  The location makes sense in YOUR opinion.  There.  Fixed it.  I don’t think your photograph proves what you think it does.  This won’t be in my backyard and won’t directly impact me and I think it is a horrible idea.

      • JustSarah October 16, 2023 (11:37 am)

        It’s not my photograph. This was a Facebook post by the main social media face of this campaign. It looks like she deleted it, probably because it did not exactly make people more sympathetic to their cause.

        • nopicklepark October 16, 2023 (12:04 pm)

          Right.  I get that it’s someone else’s picture you posted.  I just don’t get what you think it proves.

    • Ex Seattleite October 17, 2023 (9:20 am)

      I want to assure you the pro-pickleball contingent are just as Portlandia-worthy as the anti-pickleball side. All the threads on the subject should be required reading prior to moving to West Seattle so a potential new resident can understand just the kind of place it is. I moved away about a year ago, and this reminds me why I made that decision even more than the story about the person who stole the jaws of life then tried to steal an ATM with it. 

      • JustSarah October 18, 2023 (8:05 am)

        No, because in this case the “anti” side launched with so many lies and bad logic that a lot of people who might have joined their side or stayed neutral instead became pro-pickleball. So while you may have been right under controlled circumstances, in this case the pickleball side is stacked with normal citizens who hate being manipulated so blatantly. 

  • Mark Cavendish October 16, 2023 (6:03 am)

    A velodrome would be a better option.

    • Josh October 16, 2023 (8:30 pm)

      Nice!  The Manx Missile weighed in!  Also, AGREED!

  • Augsburg October 16, 2023 (6:32 am)

    The city cites the pickleball court conversion as exempt as “maintenance” and there is no need for public review under SEPA (WA’s “State Environmental Preservation Act”).  That could be true, but city projects must also conform to historic preservation laws – which have different rules.  I’m curious if the tennis courts are in the area of the original Olmstead Bros. park commissioned by the city in the early 1900s.  The Olmsteads designed several parks in Seattle, along with important parks across the country, such as Central Park.  It could be historic preservation laws are triggered by the tennis court conversion – thus requiring public review.  It’s not even clear if the original tennis courts were installed legally under Washington’s historic preservation laws.  

  • S - In West Seattle October 16, 2023 (6:50 am)

    If you are worried about the noise, then go to Camp Long. That is a park that has no courts. Lincoln Park is a multi-use park with a number of different things to do. 

  • Stickerbush October 16, 2023 (7:34 am)

    For heaven’s sake people, it’s a park for people to enjoy, it’s not a wildlife refuge.

    • Actually Mike October 16, 2023 (11:58 am)

      You’re exactly right. The most cogent and compelling reason that pickleball doesn’t belong in Lincoln Park is that the noise and, potentially, the light pollution it would bring would fundamentally alter and detract from the human experience of visiting this beautiful place. People need natural areas like this to soothe nerves frayed by the noise and chaos of urban living. There are other nearby places where pickleball courts could be situated, but there is no other place like Lincoln Park anywhere near here. I’ll be there on Saturday.

  • Kdake October 16, 2023 (8:11 am)

    Okay, but how do we get the Parks Dept to have this level of urgency and shove through about reinstalling the south playground??? 

  • Foop October 16, 2023 (8:57 am)

    How many of these opposition folks would agree to lane reductions throughout west Seattle and reclaiming roads for green spaces and walking / biking trails to connect our disjointed neighborhoods for those who don’t want to drive?id bet these same people also oppose transit.

  • MrWatters October 16, 2023 (9:04 am)

    Ah, the Great West Seattle Pickleball War of 2023. This might be more senseless than actual war.

  • Jon October 16, 2023 (9:18 am)

    I would like to see some facts regarding the effects of sound in city parks regarding indigenous wildlife and birds.  
    I hope our resident consultant activist can provide some elucidation? 
    And that leads to some facts about light pollution specific to this site (light -sight?) surrounded by fences and trees with greatly reduced light spill from highly efficient lights?       
    On the other side, there is research that cites human voice as the most feared sound to animals-   “The sound of human voices, the researchers found, evokes more fear than the sounds of snarling and growling lions. This underlines that our species is recognized as uniquely dangerous, “because we are super lethal,” said Michael Clinchy, a conservation biologist at Western University in London, Ontario.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/05/science/humans-lions-fear-sounds.html?searchResultPosition=2 

    Maybe it is our vocal  protesters and celebrity activist news interviewee are scaring away the very things they so want to protect.

  • Admiral-2009 October 16, 2023 (9:24 am)

    Wow all this debate regarding an issue people in Ukraine, Israel and Palestine to name a few would consider a none issue.  

  • anonyme October 16, 2023 (9:30 am)

    I’ll be at the protest and hope everyone encourages their friends and neighbors to do the same.

  • PickleMaster October 16, 2023 (9:44 am)

    These comments have inspired me to take up pickle-ball & also petition the city council for late night tournaments, preferably double elimination.  Pickle-ball for all!

  • JVP October 16, 2023 (12:38 pm)

    Wow, this is so very, very Seattle. No fun allowed here!  It’s probably a tiny minority, but they’ll get their way NIMBYs rule Seattle Parks and have for quite some time.To be fair, I’d rather see those old courts turned into a small skate park.  Maybe we can all unite behind that?

    • nopicklepark October 16, 2023 (2:09 pm)

       How does NIMBY even apply to people trying to preserve habitat in a park?  That phrase is thrown around all the time to denigrate legitimate concerns.

      • jon October 16, 2023 (5:41 pm)

        NIMBY applies because the lead activist and many of their supporters claim to be neighbors of the park and they are in opposition.  
        Maybe we should call them NIMPs, as
        Not In My Park.

        • Lee P. October 16, 2023 (7:06 pm)

          I’m a neighbor. Me and neighbors I’ve talked with are fine with this plan. As far as I know Kersti does not live by the park. Not going to invade privacy but I think Denise and Kersti are both at least north of Morgan and that’s me being vague. 

          • Jon October 16, 2023 (11:11 pm)

            It should not matter whether you grew up near the park and currently live close by as portrayed by Kersti in many tv interviews.
            But as some old  Fauntleroy locals use to say,
            “Drive and Parkers?”

          • JustSarah October 17, 2023 (10:12 am)

            There are a lot of examples of the NIMBY stuff, but this is probably the most blatant. Put the courts over right next to the apartments. Those people don’t care about noise! 

          • WSB October 17, 2023 (10:51 am)

            Accuracy point, there is no “new park being created on 36th/37th.” Perhaps they mean the one on 40th. And as for “new” apartment buildings, the newest ones there – Broadstone Sky to the south, The Whittaker to the east – have been open for seven years, and the ones upslope to the west even longer. – TR

          • nopicklepark October 17, 2023 (12:10 pm)

            JustSarah – Still don’t get NIMBY from this.  The post you attach appears to be about the noise because it is in a park with wildlife and the noise will be detrimental to that wildlife.  I assume the alternative suggested is a park that is not already a home to wildlife since it is new.  From what I understand, the person that brought this issue to the forefront has a history with wildlife protection.  Again, it seems like throwing around a NIMBY accusation is just an easy way to devalue what is a legitimate concern.  I’ve seen that happen a lot in this comment section about a lot of issues.

          • CD October 17, 2023 (1:21 pm)

            Put them next to the apartments to spare the birds the noise, priceless!

          • JustSarah October 18, 2023 (8:06 am)

            Put it… Somewhere else… Not in my bac–I mean, in their backyard. By those people who aren’t near me. 

  • Definitely Not A Dog October 16, 2023 (12:58 pm)

    They should really just add new pickleball courts to the off-leash dog area near the golf course.

  • mickey October 16, 2023 (12:59 pm)

    SAVE the birds and wild life in the park please. 

  • CD October 16, 2023 (1:34 pm)

    Perhaps we should protest the Fauntleroy Ferry Terminal and the ferries too.  The ferries keep blowing their horns!  I wonder if that scares the birds close to the park?  While we are at it, lets protest Fauntleroy Way!  Those cars can be loud.

  • M-squared October 16, 2023 (2:19 pm)

    Let’s just mitigate the noise by surrounding the courts with some dense evergreens!  Skip the lights though.

  • Neighbor 2 October 16, 2023 (4:54 pm)

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/west-seattle-lincoln-park-pickleball-courts-pushback-protests/281-697524a4-440b-47ff-b7f2-6a09072cb922I want to know who the hero with the stroller is at the 30-second mark of this video. Kersti was rude to him but he was cool and confident. 

  • Mel October 16, 2023 (4:54 pm)

    Screaming children are loud and disrupt my enjoyment of the park let’s remove the playgrounds and soccer fields while we’re at it! (That is sarcasm by the way). These protests are just as ridiculous. The old courts they are refreshing were piles of compost and old machinery. Not nice at all. Certainly courts next to sports fields is an improvement? Oh and maybe the idiots who continuously leave their dogs off leash here will need to find a new spot to break the law. WIN. WIN. 

  • Kathy October 16, 2023 (7:10 pm)

    I guess pickleball is not that much louder than tennis or car traffic, but it’s basically the higher pitch people object to. I wonder how much use the courts will get? Unless there is an organized tournament there probably won’t be steady use, at least not 6 doubles games simultaneously all day long.

  • Josh October 16, 2023 (8:31 pm)

    This is more contentious than when that nut shot that woodpecker all those years ago!  

  • CD October 17, 2023 (5:18 am)

    Lincoln Park has a land mass of 135 acres.  These pickle ball courts would take up 0.13
    acres.  We seem to be getting ourselves
    worked up over 0.09% of the land area of Lincoln Park.  Parks are designed to accommodate many uses
    for a diverse variety of the population. 
    There is plenty of land in the park to keep everyone happy.  I have not watched the news lately.  Is there anything important going on
    elsewhere in the world right now?

  • Andrew October 17, 2023 (7:25 am)

    We are a city that is known for its natural beauty and access to nature. Ours is a a culture known for its connectedness to nature. This doesn’t happen without work, without the care and participation of citizens in preserving and respecting nature. If you find this trivial, reflect on whether you can truly claim to be part of our culture. Reflect on whether your apathy is actively undermining and altering our city’s culture, let alone simply its natural areas.

  • Chris October 17, 2023 (8:32 am)

    OMG, you wanna talk about noise and wildlife, how’s this- there are picnic shelters and fire pits, directly ON THE WATER, and they are full all summer long with enormous groups of people, blasting music, setting off fireworks, leaving garbage all over the place, and partying like it’s their backyard. Shore birds, seal pups, all of the wildlife in the park is hugely impacted by this nonsense.  Anyone who calls Lincoln Park a refuge has never seen the chaos of those sites. And if you want to protect birds, stop all fireworks at the park, and in Seattle in general, especially the ridiculous 4th and NYE shows that alone kill more birds than every pickleball court in existence. Lincoln park has already been destroyed by the folks who use it.

    • Jeff October 17, 2023 (12:30 pm)

      And I love playing music on the beach. That is a fine pasttime. We have family reunions all year on the park’s beach. Stop policing fun.  You are being hyperbolic. No one is destroying it by enjoying time with loved ones.

  • Neighbor October 17, 2023 (9:43 am)

    Did WSB see Kersti talking back to people? A friend saw her being nasty to someone just asking them to not paste their fliers up on trees. Then there’s that King TV video where she is very rude to a dad just trying to take his baby to the park. This is not a good way to build support for the cause!

    • WSB October 17, 2023 (9:54 am)

      There was one person on the periphery who called out something while Kersti was talking to the protest group. She called back something like “We know where it is.” Shortly thereafter, we were there for a few minutes of the group standing by the side of the road, during which I noted one car stopping southbound on Fauntleroy with a guy yelling out the window to heckle them, something like “you never played,” and five or six cars driving by honking. Re: person with baby, don’t know. Talked to the guy from KING for a while on the sidelines and he was still there when we left, so his photographer may have recorded something after that – TR

      • Duke October 19, 2023 (7:40 pm)

        The protesters called me an a hole after I explained peacefully how I do not agree with them. 

  • FedUp October 17, 2023 (11:53 am)

    The loud few… over 70% of residents are in support of the Lincoln Park Pickleball courts; according to the Official Unofficial Facebook poll on West Seattle Connection group, where most of these back and forth conversations are taking place.   Parks are for everyone. I will be at the “protest” on Saturday with my sign of support for the courts. 

  • Jeff October 17, 2023 (12:29 pm)

    I am a NO on Pickleball in Lincoln Park or at the California Ave skatepark area. Find somewhere else. Thank you. 

  • Greystreet October 17, 2023 (12:53 pm)

    Anybody want to set up a counter PRO-Pickleball protest on Saturday?  Once again, it’s a park, and after knowing it’s only 0.09% of the park that the new courts will take up I am even more gassed by the protest haha, get a grip people.  Also, total laugh out loud moment to the NIMP clarification above, well done. Haha

  • Gayle McIntosh October 17, 2023 (1:37 pm)

    Lincoln Park is one of the few unspoiled natural areas we have. It’s a haven not only for plant and wildlife, but for anyone seeking respite in increasingly densely-populated West Seattle. There are other places to play pickleball. The park is large, but pickle ball is loud–the sound will carry. There is no construction signage up at the site, no site plans, no impact study, no opportunity for public comment. (For reference, see all the “coming soon” signage posted by the south playground–it’s been there for years with no action. Or the Lowman Beach project, which let citizens know what was taking place and why. ) Seattle Parks needs to hear our concerns, and respond to them, before moving forward.

  • Allie October 18, 2023 (10:00 pm)

    I encourage folks who feel that Lincoln park is a urban park to be used by the community to contact the mayor’s office and parks and rec.I have asked repeatedly for information regarding the claim that trees will be cut and lights installed, but to know avail feels like disinformation is out there the park is just that, to be used by the community.  It is not virgin wilderness or a national park, there is already “noise” from sports, kiddos, swimming etc.the park is large and can accommodate all members of our community I sincerely hope that if there is data around tree cutting etc, it is shared, otherwise seems like a smoke screen

  • Tim October 19, 2023 (8:52 am)

    I would really prefer they finish the playground they tore down that my kids have been waiting half a decade before the throw a trendy niche sport court in.

  • anonyme October 21, 2023 (8:01 am)

    Reminder, today (Saturday, October 21) at 11 a.m. is the protest at Lincoln Park.  Please attend if you are a “no” vote!

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