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March 30, 2014 at 8:34 am #805689
dobroParticipant“…I will agree, however that it bodes well for the D’s re-election efforts if that number keeps rising……which was one of the R’s fears from the beginning.”
Most definitely the Repubs biggest fear. As it should be, because once people get used to the idea that health care is a right and not reserved only for those that have the money, they’re going to take the next step. One or two states (probably CA and VT) are going to start a single payer plan and it’s going to work. Costs will come down, everyone will be covered and everyone else is going to go “I want that!”
Then those of us that dislike the ACA because it didn’t go far enough will receive some satisfaction. I expect it to start really rolling over about 2020.
March 30, 2014 at 5:05 pm #805690
JoBParticipantI think the ACA is crappy..
but at least it is a step towards regulating the health insurance industry which was seriously out of control
health care is a public service and it’s time we regulated it like a public service
March 30, 2014 at 5:06 pm #805691
JoBParticipantMarch 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm #805692
SmittyParticipant“I’m so sick of hearing your crappy analogies and BS; like you really know, huh?”
1) Not sure it’s an analogy more of a comparison of polling data. People favor things all the time that turn out to be wrong long run.
2) No, I don’t know your pain, and I am sorry for your situation. I am sure there are many in similar situations who switched from employer subsidized healthcare to Obamacare and are counted in the 6 million soon to be 7 million*** as “new” to healthcare.
*** It will hit 7 million by April 1 – they know the current pace of signups and want a big splash headline – so extended the deadline. Smart politics as the lapdog media will splash it across our screen for a week…..I just wish they would ask how many young, healthy adults have signed up. They know the number.
March 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm #805693
dobroParticipantI’m always amazed at people’s lack of reading comprehension. They didn’t “extend the deadline”. They said that all people who have started their account by March 31 (the deadline) will be given time to complete their registration. Kind of like if you’re lined up to vote and they close the doors at 8PM (the deadline)the people in line at the deadline still get to complete their voting. What is so hard to understand about that?
“People favor things all the time that turn out to be wrong long run.”
Feel free to name some other things (besides slavery) that people approve “all the time” by numbers like 59% that are still wrong. Got any?
March 30, 2014 at 5:44 pm #805694
JoBParticipantsmitty..
human suffering is not incidental
after all.. human suffering is why we have insurance
March 30, 2014 at 10:27 pm #805695
SmittyParticipantCome on dobro, it is a flat out extension.
All you have to do is check a box before mid-April saying you “tried” to enroll earlier. An honor system check box. Seriously.
They are just trying to hit the 7M mark, so good for them, but let’s call it what it is.
March 31, 2014 at 7:39 am #805696
JanSParticipantand after they hit the 7 million mark, we can all hope that they reach 8, and then 9….you have a problem with that, Smitty? Of course they want that number…why not? Becoming insured despite being unemployed, or despite having a pre-existing is a good thing. What is your problem with it? So what if there was an extension. Did anyone bitch when the previous president who shall remain unnamed issued an extension for anything?*
*That would be Medicare Part D
March 31, 2014 at 12:46 pm #805697
Alki WarriorParticipantCan you still keep your plan if you like it?
March 31, 2014 at 2:25 pm #805698
wakefloodParticipantIf it meets the new minimum requirements for coverage, which a lot of expensive, yet crappy plans didn’t. But you don’t really care about insurance details really, do you?
This is you looking for GOTCHA’S anywhere you can, right?
March 31, 2014 at 3:21 pm #805699
JoBParticipantalki warrior..
isn’t that a question for your insurance company?
if your insurance company still offers your plan.. you can.
if it doesn’t, you can’t.
that was the case before Obamacare, wasn’t it?
except now they have an excuse… obamacare.
you should look into the grandfather clauses written into the ACA before you buy the excuse.
the simple truth is that for all the fuss everyone seems to be making about the ACA..
for the most part, it is little more than a health insurance regulation plan.
March 31, 2014 at 6:04 pm #805700
LindseyParticipantSmitty at post #29 – Angelescrest isn’t one of the 7 million. He or she’s just one of the millions and millions of other people who can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that the insurance he or she desperately needs for the kid is no longer directly tied to employment. Angelescrest didn’t switch from the employer’s plan. He or She’s still on it, and on it with less stress and pressure, thanks to the ACA.
March 31, 2014 at 6:47 pm #805701
Alki WarriorParticipantSo Lindsey, what happens to the nations workforce if you can just pay for healthcare instead of the traditional route and work for it?
March 31, 2014 at 7:35 pm #805702
wakefloodParticipantGood lord, what are you even talking about, Alki? Just what about having employers involved in healthcare makes sense to you??
Do you think employers enjoy having to sort out the insurance crap every year and GUESS how that’s going to impact them and their bottom lines, their staff satisfaction and retention, etc, etc??
Tell me you aren’t arguing that that situation has been anything but a major drag on our economy and productivity, and any other related metric you might want to measure??
March 31, 2014 at 7:41 pm #805703
wakefloodParticipantOr maybe you’re suggesting that those that can afford to NOT work, won’t anymore because they’re wealthy enough to not have to work to afford insurance?
Really? How many folks do you think fall into that category and how many of that tiny percentage would make that decision based on their health insurance policy?? If you’re wondering if retirement will suddenly become lots easier for folks near the end of their career, you have to take into account what $300/mo. means to someone pondering retirement. If $3600/yr. makes the difference between working and retiring, well then, I’m not sure what kind of retirement one would be pondering.
March 31, 2014 at 8:06 pm #805704
dobroParticipant“…what happens to the nations workforce if you can just pay for healthcare instead of the traditional route and work for it?”
Question:Where do you get the money to pay for health care?
Answer: You work for it.
What happens to the nation’s workforce? They now can choose jobs based on many other important factors besides “do I get healthcare with this job” and if they have a job they hate but have to stick with because they have to have the healthcare they can now change jobs and have the healthcare they choose to have not be tied to the job. Some folks would call that “freedom”.
March 31, 2014 at 8:22 pm #805705
dobroParticipantAnother brand new poll putting approval of the ACA at 49%
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/washpo-abc-news-obamacare-poll-march-31
March 31, 2014 at 8:59 pm #805706
LindseyParticipant“…what happens to the nations workforce if you can just pay for healthcare instead of the traditional route and work for it?”
I’m guessing people will have more choice, more freedom to start their own businesses or pursue a more flexible working schedule. Maybe people won’t stay at dissatisfying, soul-sucking jobs just for the insurance.
Also, a lot of people “work for it” and don’t receive insurance for their work. But the employer mandate isn’t even fully kicked in yet. I expect once that’s fully in place in 2016, the ACA’s approval ratings will be even higher with more employees being offered health insurance.
March 31, 2014 at 11:48 pm #805707
dobroParticipant“Signups means it was put in a shopping cart – it doesn’t mean it’s been paid.”
According to HHS secretary 80-90 percent of enrollments have made their first payment
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sebelius-obamacare-premiums-80-90-percent
Because the ACA still includes the private insurance companies, those companies set the date of payment, not the government. So, for a few more weeks at least, the fox news crowd will be able to whine about non-payment, which is no fault of Obama or the gov’t, but is because the ACA was structured to use private insurance companies and have to accept their timetables on this.
April 1, 2014 at 2:56 am #805708
dobroParticipantHere’s a great article that debunks all the righty talking points against the ACA.
Another interesting point is that today’s deadline is the last national “event” in the full implication of the ACA. Once this shakes out, which will take a couple of months,we’re just going to be watching things unfold and approval is going nowhere but up. Count on some real sad Repubs about the time they realize that their whole 2014 campaign is going to have to be Benghazi!!Benghazi!!Benghazi!!Benghazi!!Benghazi!!Benghazi!!
April 1, 2014 at 3:29 am #805709
c@lbobMemberNow that all these millions of people have signed up under the ACA, do you suppose Obama’s detractors will focus on something else?
I’m not countin’ on it.
I do think a workable replacement plan should be a minimum requirement for criticizing ACA now. Real suggestions for actual improvement could qualify, as well. What is the plan for the millions of people who now have insurance through ACA?
Put up or …
April 1, 2014 at 6:27 am #805710
dhgParticipantLapdog press? The big media centers have been highly critical of the ACA. I watch CBS in the morning and they bash ACA every chance they get, with not one positive story. There are literally thousands, if not millions of stories that would bring a tear to your eye of people now able to receive health care, people not losing their homes. Big stories. Big media is silent.
April 5, 2014 at 4:24 pm #805711
mtnfreakParticipantI mentioned it earlier this week in another thread, but it seems we have a lot more in common with Switzerland’s health care system than Canada’s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/
As for changing the ACA, I’d really like to phase out employer-provided health insurance. The argument that the employer’s religious beliefs can, could or should trump the employee’s is troublesome to me. Plus, I’d rather be paid more and have the right to choose my insurance plan – if I can’t have that choice it may as well be a single-payer system instead.
April 5, 2014 at 5:35 pm #805712
dhgParticipantmtnfreak: so right on point. I knew a woman who was working at a job in a very large company who had a boss who was abusive. He didn’t like her and he really let it show. She was often in tears but she didn’t quit because of the health insurance. Her son was playing in football in high school and the school requires health insurance. If she quit, her son would have to quit football and he was in line for a sports scholarship to college. Today she would have some options but it would be best if everyone had all the options on the table and could choose what was right for themselves. ESPECIALLY in light of Hobby Lobby-like businesses that want to decide for you.
April 6, 2014 at 1:52 am #805713
JanSParticipantdhg….do not get us started on Hobby Lobby – lol…one word….hypocrites !
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