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April 13, 2014 at 4:44 am #805739
JanSParticipantApril 13, 2014 at 5:37 pm #805740
waynsterParticipantDon’t forget they the gop say globule warming is just a fraud made up by environmentalist and oil is the way to go…..now wonder if aliens had a hand in this winters cold back east …lmao
April 14, 2014 at 3:01 am #805741
JanSParticipantIn post # 68, Rich brought up that dirty word….”Liberals”…and…there was once a show on TV called “West Wing. One of the writers was Lawrence O’Donnell, of MSNBC fame. One show called “The Debate” had a presidential debate. Very well done, I might add. There is a quote from that show, goes like this…
“Santos: It’s true, Republicans have tried to turn ‘liberal’ into a bad word. Well, liberals ended slavery in this country.
Vinick: A Republican president ended slavery.
Santos: Yes, a liberal Republican. What happened to them? They got run out of your party. What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I’ll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word ‘liberal’ at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor.”
I’m pretty sure that in this real world, many of us feel the same.
April 15, 2014 at 7:38 am #805742
HMC RichParticipantLiberal is still a good word. It has through time covered the left and the right.
And that dialogue is from a tv show.
Just to clarify. It was the Republicans that voted for and helped pass most of the items on that list. Plenty of Democrats joined the party so to speak and Some led the way like LBJ. But I do not want mixing of terms to be misconstrued either. And, for those of you who say the Southern Democrats who voted in most of the Jim Crow laws became Republicans is a bunch of whooey.
If you are to own the tags proudly for our, I said OUR parties, we must also wear the mistakes of our parties also.
April 15, 2014 at 7:44 am #805743
HMC RichParticipantJanS. Why do you joke about Benghazi when people who served our country were killed?
And what did Susan Rice do? Blame it on a video?!!!!??? And Hillary got sick. How convenient. “What difference does it make?!!! What a fine answer from a cold hearted witch.
Some joke.
April 15, 2014 at 8:15 am #805744
HMC RichParticipantThanks Retired 60. After I posted my last little bit I started wondering who you were and what life had you lived and how you are living.
When I am on the blog, my words can be harsher than the intent, although the post just above this one is as harsh as I will be.
Reset. I am a Registered Republican. But I am a Conservative. Mostly Fiscal. I am also white as they come. I used to be a Democrat when I was younger. I made a choice to change.
I am from the Midwest and with the lack of minorities in my hometown it took a long time to just view people as individuals more than groups. I overcompensated when I had a black roommate. But we learn as we get older, I think….
Since I have to guess that our life experiences are very different, I am not going say that I know better. I will say that I don’t accept your political beliefs any more than you accept mine.
But, I can tell you this. I was proud for our country that a man from African descent became the President of the United States. It will be momentous when a woman becomes President in the future. I didn’t vote for Mr. Obama but you can ask JoB, I was hoping he could bring the country together more.
But please listen to me. I dislike President Obama’s policies. Not because of his appearance. I too have seen too much nasty stuff said about him. It is awful. And some of it is from people further left of him, but mainly from the Right. I see the stupidity, ignorance and racist rants. I hate it.
But, I didn’t like Eric Holder whining about getting picked on the day when other Attorney Generals have been picked on as much or more than him. I have a problem with people who think they are owed something. But I don’t like they way he and the President pick and choose laws to support or ignore or fight, just like Democrats didn’t like Gonzales or Ashcroft.
Let me be clear, I don’t care politically what a person’s race or gender is other than the fact that if they are a citizen, they should vote.
I highly doubt we will agree politically but I appreciate your honesty and thoughts. I will retire in about 15 to 20 years. I am hoping as time goes by quite a few of our issues will lessen and that my son and your relatives resolve issues better than our mothers and fathers of the past.
The main wish that I have for all people is this. Love one another. LOVE has the greatest healing power of all in my opinion. It’s a hope that I wish for and believe in.
But until that day arrives I am going to yell and scream at you obnoxious Left Wingers and I expect you will shout and scream at us horrible neo-cons and Tea bag….s.
I don’t know how much we have in common but some day it would be nice to meet you. Take Care.
April 15, 2014 at 11:34 am #805745
JanSParticipantnot making a joke about Benghazi, Rich. Itt was about the Congress that won’t let it go, when they are the ones to vote down financing the mission over there correctly. That was their job!!!!!
April 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm #805746
JoBParticipantRich..
this morning in my mailbox ..
one GOP rep said he wasn’t sure if the Civil Rights Act was constitutional
another admitted the climate was changing but said he wasn’t smart enough to figure out why…
although it seems he does consider himself smart enough to ignore the majority consensus of scientists who presumable are smart enough to figure it out.
and the funny.. Glenn Beck threatens to fire anyone who uses an energy efficient lightbulb?
this is the reality of the current Republican party…
the party that just filibustered the equal pay act because it would cause employers to give employees the information that would allow them to sue for the rights they already have by law…
because they didn’t want to make lawyers rich.
buried in that statement is acknowledgment that putting teeth in existing law would definitely allow people to sue for wage discrimination.
if only this was the onion… i might find it funny
but the truth is that this kind of ignorance, racism, sexism and bigotry is setting our public policy…
it is affecting the lives of real people..
people who didn’t do anything to deserve this kind of treatment
i find it very difficult to find any humor there
April 16, 2014 at 5:00 am #805747
JTBParticipantJanS
Indeed yes, even Charles Krauthammer says it’s time to stop talking about Benghazi, although he stops short of calling out Darrell Izaa for being a nincompoop in squandering a perfectly good opportunity to— I don’t know, burn Hillary Clinton at the stake or some other demonstration of thoughtful legislative action.
April 16, 2014 at 6:11 am #805748
HMC RichParticipantJoB. Baloney. Because the economy is weak, our foreign policy is weak, our morals are weak, you and the rest of your patronage leftists pull out the sexism and racism card to try and put forth wedge issues to stop the Republicans from steam rolling your party in this next election.
The party of Lincoln is Loves Freedom. Loves Opportunity. Loves the Rule of Law, and is tired of Democrat half truths and distortions.
Reid and Pelosi can’t even agree on how their fellow Congressional and Senatorial peers should approach the failed launch and implementation of the ACA. Now the Administration is messing with the census (from their own documentation) to mitigate the damage the ACA will cause. Wait until the 716 Billion in Medicare cuts happen. Whoa Nelly.
For once own what your party is pushing.
Your party should be called the Bi-Polar Party. Manic one moment over some issue then depressed and despondent over others. Seriously, are Democrats ever happy? You are always sticking your nose into issues and complaining how unfair the world is so we need more government money!! And if you don’t get it you blame it on the Republicans. Hell, if they weren’t so weak people would see through this sham.
April 16, 2014 at 2:26 pm #805749
JoBParticipantHMCRich .. one word for you … bull
not paying women the same wage for the same job is unequal treatment under the law.. and that is discrimination.
refusing to make it possible for women to prove that they are being paid unequally is also discriminatory…
discrimination isn’t some political card played in the game of political football…
it is a fact of life for far too many Americans..
It was bad enough that excuses were made for this kind of discrimination when the lawmakers themselves spoke in code… staying on the politically correct side of the spectrum.
but they now think it is politically correct to come right out and say they don’t think women should be paid the same wage as men and they think the civil rights act is probably not constitutional and the latest.. that not only is raising the minimum wage the wrong thing to do but we should abolish minimum wage laws altogether.
they aren’t speaking in code any more.
they are coming right out and saying that they think the discrimination should be legal.
Now you can shuck and jive and point fingers and kill the messenger if you want to… but it doesn’t change the facts you choose not to address at all.
You want me to own up to the hypocrisy within my own party?
i do.. regularly.. with great sadness…
not of course the invented failings you point out but the very real failings of a party that caters to the interests of corporate America.
You know.. things like this fast tracking of the latest trade agreement… and support of the Keystone pipeline … and… the list is endless and some days it is far more than i can bear to acknowledge…
every day i fight for people Rich.. and every day i see that although my efforts help individuals.. indifference is winning the war.
my party? there is no viable political party for those of us on the left Rich. There is only a very fuzzy line in the sand keeping your party from once again legalizing all forms of discrimination… and most days i see that fuzzy line moving further to the right.
every day i see the results of the kind of discriminatory agenda you support Republicans pursuing… and you call that strength?
I don’t see strength. i see greedy bullies who beat up on others to make themselves feel less insecure.
where are you Rich when your party pursues agendas you say you don’t support?
Your answer today is to ignore those policies and play the political football card of the ACA…
which by the way is actually working as your party envisioned. People are signing up. Premiums are going down, not up.
My party? We envisioned single payer… which didn’t even get a seat at the bargaining table.
the ACA .. that bill you point to as some big leftist conspiracy… was a Republican construct from the get go.. pursued in the vain hope that getting their own policy would actually encourage a spirit of cooperation in rebuilding this country from the Republican party.
talk about not owning your own.
instead.. when someone criticizes your lack of calling your party to count you knee jerk attack the opposing party thinking that absolves you of any responsibility.
sorry Rich.. it doesn’t work that way.
Not for me
and not for you either.
April 16, 2014 at 2:49 pm #805750
wakefloodParticipantJoB, thanks for calmly (mostly!) pointing out the fallacy that is Rich’s “argument”. It’s not really an argument per se, but it’s what passes for one these days – but that’s another issue.
Suffice to say, I wouldn’t have been able to actually construct the well-positioned reply that you just did. I probably wouldn’t have thought those observations worthy of the effort, so unable was I to parse reality from the regurgitated propaganda and sloganism that reached something of a pinnacle in post #78.
All of which is to say…”what she said”. :-)
April 16, 2014 at 2:58 pm #805751
miwsParticipantYour party should be called the Bi-Polar Party. Manic one moment over some issue then depressed and despondent over others
Rich, I really don’t get where you get that thought from, but if you want to play the “Well your Party….” Game. I wanna get in on it!
With some of the antics that have come from the right in the last few years; things they say, actions they take, etc, whether from politicians, pundits, Fox News style media, whom/whatever, the line between what’s real and what’s parody, has all but disappeared.
I’ve had to train myself, whenever reading some bizarre sounding report of something that someone on the right has said or done, to check it against Snopes or somesuch for authenticity.
I am finding more and more incidents of having to check the “About” Page of a particular Site I’m not familiar with to see if it’s a Parody Site, or I’ll Wiki it.
Before sharing something on FB from The Borowitz Report, or similar. I take an extra moment to give very serious consideration as to whether I should include a winky smiley, or some other reminder that the source is a Parody Site.
Mike
April 16, 2014 at 4:32 pm #805752
miwsParticipantRich, this kinda covers (different) points both J and I were trying to make:
Mike
April 16, 2014 at 6:17 pm #805753
JoBParticipantwake..
it’s no secret that i have spent a lifetime advocating for sexual equality.
i don’t feel calm about this subject at all.
I saw the pain and suffering legally institutionalized inequality caused at a very early age.
i was one of those kids (starting at the age of 4 or so) who were sexually molested and then blamed for sexually provoking their own molestation.
trust me.. even at the age of 12 when i finally told to stop him from doing the same to my sister who was an early developer… my budding womanhood could not be described as sexually provocative. I was all knees and elbows..
i was labeled a slut after we moved because the clerks in my new doctor’s office read a notation in my medical file that indicated my hymen was broken…
those rumors resulted in what could be labeled date rape… i had apparently “asked for it” by being sexually molested as a child.
i saw the young women of my family show up on my mother’s door bruised and broken.. often badly enough to require a visit to the local emergency room.. only to have the police show up at her door later to enforce the rights of the man who had caused the damage to forcibly take his wife home for more of the same.
I had friends who died as the result of illegal abortions.
i had friends who committed suicide when they could no longer handle the stress of giving their children up for adoption.
i understand that pain because i too had a child out of wedlock that i gave up for adoption…
i was abducted from a street corner, raped and nearly escaped murder by a man who was easily identified because he had been released from the local jail that day for similar charges and the man was not prosecuted because “i was asking for it” by wearing a skirt that grazed the top of my knees.
as a young married woman going through a divorce, i had to get a signed consent form from the husband who was living with his girlfriend to get a job at a local department store to support his children.
and that doesn’t even begin to get into my mom’s story.. who was once institutionalized by the husband she tried to leave… or my aunt’s.. or my cousins.. or ….
you might say those stories are old news.. the tales i relate happened 40 to 50 years ago …
the law supposedly changed…
yet slut shaming is rampant even in our legal system and women can’t enforce their legal right to be paid the same wage as a man… nor can they do so much as fire a warning shot at the man who is abusing them without risking being sent to jail.
enough is enough. I have seen how well those laws designed to protect women from themselves work.. and i am here to tell you we don’t need that kind of protection.
Discrimination is not ok.
April 16, 2014 at 6:42 pm #805754
JanSParticipantHear! Hear!
April 16, 2014 at 7:05 pm #805755
miwsParticipantTo expand a bit on Jo’s point of slut shaming;
If the pain and humiliation that Jo, and other women have experienced related to this wasn’t enough, nowadays the shaming can instantly increase a hundredfold, if not thousandfold, what with the internet and social media.
In the past, it may have been “confined” to family, medical personnel, “trusted” friends, and could get spread through gossip among any of those groups, and spread as quickly as, at worst, via a phone call one person might make to another, right after hearing of the abuse.
Nowadays with it being instantly spread to potentially thousands with a few keystrokes, and a single mouse click, the impact is much, much greater, and young Women are taking their own lives due to the shaming and bullying….
Mike
April 16, 2014 at 7:06 pm #805756
JanSParticipantHere’s a tool that could be pretty useful in some of these discussions…
April 16, 2014 at 7:53 pm #805757
miwsParticipantThanks for that, Jan! :-)
Yes, very useful in some of these discussions, and I’d say could be used even more so, on internet comment sites that don’t seem to care about their commenters getting personal with each other.
Mike
April 16, 2014 at 10:36 pm #805758
waynsterParticipantOh the best yet this how every young women needs to do according to Phyllis Schlafly oh yes she is a GOP sweet heart……this what women truly want….
April 17, 2014 at 1:37 am #805759
HMC RichParticipantWaynster, Oh My. This is where I disagree with portions of people who are part of my party.
Mike, Jo’s response was definitely one of her better ones. And if more people helped others like she did we would be better off.
I have stated numerous times I was for Same Sex Marriage.
Here is how many of us feel but Miss Schafly (sic) doesn’t help my cause.
http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2014/04/16/118016
I have to answer later but I don’t have time right now
April 17, 2014 at 3:51 am #805760
retired60ParticipantMatters what personal stories of abuse by men and especially those that have wealth …Republicans mostly, will not changes their views on equality, race or religion.
Their blind hate for mankind and themselves tends to prove out that nothing really matters accept what they think, which is not much. Their narrow minded views which they get from the ignorant and very uneducated few, guides their every move and behavior.
These people truly hate themselves, everybody,and everything around them. To quail the pain they have each and every day .. vent on others and their families.
They will never put themselves in others shoes for one minute .. to see if what’s in front of them is something they should consider as a better solution or idea from their own.
Since the majority of people in this country have good intention’s and mean well for others, we just have to find a way to pull them together and fight for what is best for the American middleclass, the poor, the elderly, the young, and all those that seek a place at the table of peace, happiness, and opportunity.
April 17, 2014 at 3:59 pm #805761
JoBParticipantretired 60
“Since the majority of people in this country have good intention’s and mean well for others, we just have to find a way to pull them together and fight for what is best for the American middleclass, the poor, the elderly, the young, and all those that seek a place at the table of peace, happiness, and opportunity.”
yes, we do.
April 19, 2014 at 6:58 am #805762
HMC RichParticipantWhat would you say about these type of people who do the following?
Fund Cures and Treatments:
-25 Million to Houston’s M.D. Anderson Cancer Center to eliminate genitourinary malignancies
-100 Million for cancer research to MIT
-100 Million for a new ambulatory care center at NY Presbyterian Hospital.
Support the Arts:
A Cultural Trust in Kansas. 1.8 Million in grants to artists and musicians with ties to Kansas.
Financial support to PBS series “Nova”
15 Million to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History for a Hall of Human Origins.
35 Million to update its fossil and dinosaur displays in Washington DC
20 Million to the New Dinosaur Wing at New York’s American Museum of Natural History
100 Million in 2008 to modernize the former New York State Theater at Manhattans’s Lincoln Center (home to the NY Ballet and NYC Opera)
Promotes Biodiversity, Wildlife Habitat Ehancement, Land Restoration, and Conservation Education.
Maintaining Wildlife Habitat Council Certified programs at 10 facilities throughout the US including Montana’s 300,000 Matador cattle Company Beaverhead Ranch
Helps Ducks Unlimited maintain 36,000 acres of waterfowl habitat on 116 Minnesota Lakes
At 245 Universities such as Brown, Mount Holyoke, University of Wisconsin, Vassar and Study the Nature of Human Freedom and how that leads to prosperity.
What do you think of these people who do this?
April 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm #805763
JoBParticipantHMCRich
i think they are doing good work.
and… some of the people who do amazing things like you list are democrats..
imagine that ;->
but it is not enough for those on either side of the aisle to do good works.
charity is a wonderful thing.. but it is no substitute for providing opportunity.
you not only have to teach a man to fish/farm/hunt/etc.. you have to provide the means and opportunity for him to do so or you have failed him.
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