Obama Electoral Landslide Numbers

[dobro]

Hmmmm….

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082476/-Obama-leads-Romney-by-landslide-numbers

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[DBP]

I think Obama’s going to win, too. (Hope I didn’t just jinx the guy.) I don’t think it’ll be by 8 points — per your comment some weeks ago — but it won’t be a squeaker either.

So what’s the Daily Dobro take on this? If these numbers can be believed, why do you think Romney is so far behind?

(Then I’ll give you my reasons.)

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[dobro]

Well, ok, 7.5 points maybe.

He’s behind because he is the personification of the elite, out of touch, vulture capitalism lovin’, anti-union, anti middle class, I got mine screw you type Republican. And although in a different circumstance he may have been able to lie, finesse, drop a little fake “compassinate conservativism” on us, and navigate thru the election, I don’t think its gonna work this time.He’s the worst possible candidate for the Repubs in a time of economic insecurity. He doesn’t look like a guy that wants to help you. He looks like the guy that would fire you with no notice and steal your pension fund.

His own party can’t stand him, evangelical Xtians are not going to line up behind a Mormon, he’s been forced to take radically non-mainstream positions to get thru his primaries and they’re all on videotape. You think John Kerry had “flip-flopper” attached to his name? Wait til you see what’s going to happen to Mitt. Obama, no matter what you think about his policies, is a top notch campaigner. Mitt is going to run into a buzzsaw like he’s never seen.

The only thing that’s going to make this seem like a competitive race is the media running their horse race narratives and pretending its a contest to keep their money rolling in.

The real contest will be the downballot races and any honest Republican will admit that.

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[HMC Rich]

Just like the media, calling the winner before the game has been played.

Frankly, the battle between Mitt and Barack has not even started.

Food for thought. Ellen Craswell was a right wing Christian conservative Republican who did not fare well against her opponent in this state. She was not Reagan-esque.

Although Romney is not a fully vested conservative, he is going to be more attractive to some of the middle of the road voters. And, right now there is a surge in females who like Mr. Obama. Will that change? But most conservatives will get behind Mr. Romney.

I also think it is going to get very ugly quickly between the two camps.

It is too soon. Other sitting Presidents have had better ratings and lost.

We will also see if the Republicans gain the majority in the Senate or come close.

Imagine how much money is going to spent on these races.

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[dobro]

We’re speculating because that’s what you do on an internet forum. We all know its a long time til November.

Here’s a question- was Mitt the best candidate the Repubs could have put out there? I think he’s the worst and a lot of Republicans think that, too.

And Romney is gonna have a rough time with the Evangelicals, who the ‘pubs need badly in the South. I was raised in the Pentecostal religion (xtreme holy rollers) and I’m here to tell you that they are NOT going to vote for a Mormon. A lot of those types will sit this one out.

BTW, the Craswell right wing Xtian takeover of the WA state Repub party destroyed them in this state. She and her ilk are the reason there hasn’t been a high office Repub in this state for a generation. They’re still trying to rub off the smell of that.

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[redblack]

i think it’s obama in a landslide. like double-digits. and i think the republican ticket is going to be split by a third party candidate.

again, just prognostication.

but willard may be good for the republican party and democracy in general in the long run, because a lot of republicans are starting to ask, “wtf?” about the the candidacy being decided by money.

by 2016, it might be easier to convince them that campaign finance reform is long overdue, and convince them to tell their party leadership – and people like karl rove – to go get bent.

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[JoB]

HMC Rich

“Imagine how much money is going to spent on these races.”

this thought causes me just about as much joy as thinking about all of the empty houses decaying in our neighborhoods while homeless people sleep on our streets…

i can’t think of a poorer investment in our future than the amount of cash that will be wasted on this presidential race…

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[redblack]

yeah, jo, and it’s going straight to the “lamestream media.” i thought republicans hated the MSM.

[shrug]

oh, well. they wanted to play the game this way…

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[JoB]

redblack..

today i was following one of the many newsfeeds that enliven my mornings and saw a pic attached to a Romney story…

i had to stop and ask myself.. is that Romney?

I honestly didn’t know.

i have so unplugged myself from mainstream media that most of the time the only way i learn about a story is through a friend’s comment or one of the newsfeeds i follow…

or.. ok.. through a link here.. i can’t resist following and reading the links ;0

I am working to overcome that failing…

If not for my participation in this and other forums one could argue that i am limiting my world view by dropping out of the mainstream media frenzy…

but i think the opposite has happened.

The only time i waste precious thought on the latest media creation is when i watch the staged reality shows to numb my brain into sleep…

As a result.. i am much more engaged with my world..

and find it widening every day.

let the mainstream play on…

their reality shows masquerading as news put me to sleep these days

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[Smitty]

I love this stuff. I just can’t imagine Romney losing Florida by 6 points and Ohio by 8, especially if he picks a White-Hispanic like Rubio.

That said, can we all agree that if Romney starts to take the lead in August that it is the same, informed electorate being polled in the link and we won’t resort to “people are stupid” excuses?

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[happywalker]

I think it’s a sad state of affairs when voters will hold thier nose and vote for Rommney or any other “not Obama” candidate. That’s a lot of deep seeded hate right there. On the other side of the coin there are so many that really can see the light and truly understand what he says. Obama isn’t perfect, but his ideas and intentions are so understood and similar to millions. He is on the side of “We the people”, more than any other president that I can remember.

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[Smitty]

“He is on the side of “We the people”, more than any other president that I can remember.”

Jimmy Carter.

You must be a youngin’ or forgot about that sweater he liked to wear when temps dipped below 60…..

Question for you. Is it possible that some people dislike Obama’s policies and don’t just “hate” him?

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[dobro]

Here’s a relevant quote from Charles Blow…

“…At the same time, Santorum continuously chipped away at Romney as a dishonest man and a weak conservative, as well as the worst candidate to run against President Obama.

The shift in the debate, which Santorum helped create, and his withering attacks on the front-runner forced Romney to move further right than was politically prudent.

As a result, Romney is now weaker than any post-primary party nominee in recent political history. According to an analysis of CNN polling data stretching back to 1996, complied by Zeke Miller of BuzzFeed, Romney is the only presidential nominee to emerge from the primaries with a net negative favorability rating.”

And, yes, its true that people may disagree with Obama’s policies and not hate him personally. But there are also people that just hate him…for some reason…I can’t imagine why.

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[dobro]

Here’s a view on evangelicals from the NYT…

“But the whole-hearted support of evangelicals, who accounted for nearly one fourth of all ballots cast in recent presidential elections, will not come without conditions, some leaders warned. During the bitterly fought primary campaign, many conservatives questioned the depth of Mr. Romney’s opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage and government spending. They say that to win the presidency, Mr. Romney may need a fired-up base to produce a large evangelical turnout in swing states like Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia.”

From my experiences, I don’t see the right wing Xtians getting fired up for Romney. And if he sticks by his primary positions to hang onto their support he ends up too right wingy for the independants. How does he pull that off?

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[happywalker]

Yes Smitty, it is possible that many just don’t agree with Obama’s policies, it’s a free counrty, that’s the beauty of it. But there are many haters..that just HATE the man because…?

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[Smitty]

“Yes Smitty, it is possible that many just don’t agree with Obama’s policies, it’s a free counrty, that’s the beauty of it. But there are many haters..that just HATE the man because…?”

But as it pertains to voters, wouldn’t the vast majority of those people already vote Republican? Are there really racist Democrats who would vote Romney? If so, then this might be closer than you guys think.

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[dobro]

It’s easy to spin off into hate/don’t hate…can I repeat this question, which I would love to hear some Repub opining upon-

was Mitt the best candidate the Repubs could have put out there? I think he’s the worst and a lot of Republicans think that, too.

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[365Stairs]

Mitt wont win because he completely exaggerates facts and makes baseless claims of outright blame and failure of our president to appease the crowds.

It is shameful the levels candidates will stoop to in attempt to sway people – like they wont check the real facts and figures.

Why be so secretive about your “plan” now that you are essentially the party candidate? Is someone going to steal it from you?

Beyond him being completely out of touch with average Joe (with due congrats on his personal success)…his family seems to have mixed messages too.

I honestly felt I voted correctly for our president…then I doubted because of the way he loaded the guns on healtcare reform (when he didn’t really campaign on it)…now I believe again he is the right guy to attempt to right the ship.

Deficit management and Jobs…Get out of the World Policing business…End the war now…but please continue to spend the same amount as the wars back here on our own soil..

The continued deep divide in our nation about D & R (and any other party nickname) is what is really hurting us moving forward.

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[JoB]

Smitty

the problem with hate..

is that it has very little to do with reason.

i wish the people who say they hate Obama’s policies

actually knew what they were..

when you apply reason..

you find that Obama’s policies are just about as centrist as they can get..

policy wise.. there is plenty to be disappointed by

on both sides of the great political divide..

he’s an equal opportunity displeaser..

incidentally …

exactly the politician i thought he would be when i cast my vote

and i still voted for him.

as for Romney’s policies…

even most republicans can’t love whatever they are..

or aren’t..

the man is too busy trying to curry favor

to have any real idea what he thinks :(

his own party poobahs don’t care

all they want is a yes man to that republican congress

they are so sure they will have come next year

i would say that the republican candidate might as well be the devine sarah

but i really don’t want to look at or listen to her all summer…

see.. i am careful what i wish for

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[JV]

Dobro questions every news source EXCEPT for the DailyKooks website! Known for their unbiased reporting, right? Hilarious!

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[JoB]

JV…

Dobro questions every news source… period..

as you should.

as we all should.

I fail to see what is funny about that.

it seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do to me

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[Smitty]

“i wish the people who say they hate Obama’s policies

actually knew what they were..”

Isn’t the painfully slow recovery, growing debt and burdensome healthcare enough to vote against someone? Policies be damned, the outcomes suck.

Also, the “Republicans don’t like Romney” meme is a fabrication of the left leaning media who will try anything to get their hero elected one more time.

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[JoB]

Smitty

if the painfully slow recovery

and growing debt

and burdensome healthcare

were the direct result of Obama’s policies..

then yes…

but you know they aren’t

and there’s the rub

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[kootchman]

Romney leads Obama by 2 points… most likely voters

Obama leads by 8 points w/women

Romney leads by 14 points with men

67 of the electorate thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction.

This is the best an incumbent can bring to the table? His “marquee” achievement he won’t talk about. His Senate won’t submit a vote because they don’t want to be on record for the tax increases, the deficits.

Even the MOST optimistic say if his “Buffoon Rule” takes effect, he might garner 80 billion in revenue… that’s after dropping 7 trillion in deficits .. eating the seed corn. To put that in perspective..he dumped 130 billion into the DOE slush fund….two years of Buffoon money… One question, just one, for the left… how is raising the marginal tax rates going to solve government over spending?

Democrats would LOVE to believe we aren’t enthusiastic about Romney.. are you kidding? We will line up behind him… look at the alternative!!! Are you better off now than you were four years ago… that’s the question voters will answer.

Democrats should have had a challenger… going into the last innings with this guy? He has no control, can’t get it over the plate, and has no fastball.

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[365Stairs]

Conservative talking heads don’t even like Romney.

Why was there 4 people in the race for this long if he is such a strong R party choice?

He better pick his running mate soon to keep up…

It most certainly would have been no better with McCain Palin at the helm…

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