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April 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm #754479
kootchmanMemberHey Dobro… we have a great tape archive too… Close Gitmo, expand charter schools, end wars (started three more) chiding Bush for deficits as “unpattiotic”.. unemployment will never reach 8%, and the crown jewel… Obamacare,…. and the ground game …. the Super Pacs … for the Senate, House, State elections… wait and see how that gins out. The TEA party will be funded beyond their wildest imaginings. You do remember them? The ones that destroyed the House democrats? The Senate is job 1 for the Super Pacs… trot out Hilary Rosen a few more times too!
April 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm #754480
BostonmanMemberA couple of things are likely to happen. The supreme court is likely going to rule against Obama’s health care. Romney is likely going to pick Rubio and a lot of money is going to be spent on the election.
None of it will matter, the economy seems to be getting better slowly even though the jobs that are being created are lower paying. That isn’t Obamas fault though.
I can’t really see Romney winning. There are a few other people I would have rather seen running against Obama but thats how it rolls.
April 13, 2012 at 12:06 am #754481
DBPMemberRomney’s not a bad sort, actually. He’s intelligent. He’s sincere. But here’s why I think he’s going to lose the election . . .
I was listening to him make a speech the other day, and the more I listened to the guy talk, the worse I felt. Not just about Obama. Not just about the government. But about myself.
Romney made me feel bad for wanting health care coverage for all Americans.
He made me feel bad for thinking that it’s ok to admit that America has made mistakes.
He made me feel bad for believing that government actually has a role to play in protecting people.
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You know, President Reagan was one of the least mentally engaged leaders this country has ever had, but I’ll give him this: He knew that “hope” will never be a dirty word in America. And he knew that people never vote for a guy who makes them feel bad.
And that’s why Romney’s gonna lose.
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April 13, 2012 at 12:13 am #754482
SmittyParticipant“Why was there 4 people in the race for this long if he is such a strong R party choice?”
Seriously? Give me a break! So, the 2008 Democrat primary went until JUNE, I am sure that is only because both candidates were just so darn good it was impossible to choose!
You libs are funny.
April 13, 2012 at 12:16 am #754483
SmittyParticipant“if the painfully slow recovery
and growing debt
and burdensome healthcare
were the direct result of Obama’s policies..”
They are.
April 13, 2012 at 12:44 am #754484
JanSParticipantBS..congress has a lot to do with that, too…but, it’s so much easier to blame Obama, isn’t it?
April 13, 2012 at 12:47 am #754485
JanSParticipantlol…love how Kman picked up on the latest talking point, and threw it in his last comment…Hilary Rosen…spoken like a true right winger…
she was wrong, she apologized…move on…(she is also a mother of two children, so she knows exactly where her mistake was)
April 13, 2012 at 1:13 am #754486
kootchmanMemberUh huh.. and she was following her Democratic Party talking point script. Only, she blew it. Spoken like a tue left winger who has a script to follow. The 12′ campaign hinges on one thing…Romney makes and made a lot of money. He is a success story. Democrats would like to have you believe that lack of success is someone elses fault. You sure like to “move on” when Democrats “apologize”… but when conservatives commit a faux paux… that is different. The reason not to move on.. is, this is the entire lynch pin of a failed presidency .. 1% of the population is the cause of our ills. Won’t work. BTW… Mrs. Romney seems to have done a great job raising her family. The economy is not improving. 120,000 new jobs,, a GDP that will fall to less than 2% growth, O wage growth, and inflation hitting the core house expenses., energy and food. This is improvement? Only an Obama supporter would raise their hands and call unemployment over 4% a success… let alone 8.2…Yes they ARE Obamas fault. Would you keep a CEO with this record of achievement? Or would you be looking for a new one? Now the question again…. how ya gonna pay off the deficit and at a minimum not add another trillion by election day? How are you going to stop borrowing 40 cents for every dollar the Obama administration is going to spend? More importantly, how long do you think we can keep on doing this? Four more years?
April 13, 2012 at 1:19 am #754487
JVMemberBostonman is partially correct. Romney isn’t exciting. But he doesn’t have to be. It is hard to vote against Romney because he is a nice guy with a nice family who has lived a corruption free life. Obama has a nice family…the other 2 attributes, not so much.
The next point is V.P. Marco Rubio. He embodies the American dream that Obama loathes. He speaks passionately about America. Obama is passionate about apologizing for America, and what is wrong with America.
Rubio is the X-factor that the left is ignoring.
April 13, 2012 at 1:26 am #754488
DBPMemberJV:
Can you please give one example of a not-nice thing that Obama has done to a person or animal?
Then I will give an example of a not-nice thing Romney has done.
We’ll see if your not-nice thing trumps my not-nice thing.
April 13, 2012 at 1:35 am #754489
kootchmanMemberYea I can… he is soooo afraid of his base . He refused to sign the non discrimination act in federal contracting. Why so? In the California marriage act, 59% of blacks voted to deny same sex marriage. They voted for him 97% in the general election. There is more antipathy towards same sex marriage in the black community. So… he has an “evolving” doctrine. What he means to say is ” I won’t act on principal” because… I NEED to be elected. The swing states he is so concerned about.. most have marriage between heterosexual couples as recognized legislation. Funny, he won’t evoke the commerce clause to mandate states recognize the marriage contracts issue in other states, won’t allow the tax code to recognize same sex unions outside the issuing states…. there ya go DBP… theres two sets of harms. He’s not a principaled leader … he’s a poltico hack..
April 13, 2012 at 1:41 am #754490
kootchmanMemberAt least Romney KNOWS how an economy works… I don’t care if he lacks charisma. We’ve seen charm school…it isn’t working. We’ve seen charming … it works at cocktail receptions… but then comes the other part… “you are hired..” and the charm didn’t cover the inability to manage a government. I said it before…. only Nancy Pelosi and her arrogance and abrasive liberal agenda could have brought us to this juxtaposition. She beat Obama like a red headed step child when his leadership was needed…. he hid out in the White House. That’s when we got the measure of the man. Since we all know the message… would you please give Air Force One a rest and just video feed into the networks and save us some money?
April 13, 2012 at 1:57 am #754491
SmittyParticipant“Can you please give one example of a not-nice thing that Obama has done to a person or animal”
Cheated on his wife and forced an intern to give him a smoker?
Oops, thought you said Clinton, who is the best. Preznint. Evah.
April 13, 2012 at 2:01 am #754492
jamminjMemberObama vs Romney – a progressives nightmare, a right leaning President vs a further right winger nominee.
Obama has caved to the right in almost every aspect. Wars, tax cuts, healthcare, same sex marriage…
If someone with a R was behind these policies, he would be a GOP hero, but since it’s Obama, it’s heralded as coming from satan.
Either way, the red states get a GOP policy maker, the progressives are again left out in the cold.
April 13, 2012 at 2:36 am #754493
dobroParticipantI’ve been gone all day. I’ll try to catch up…
“Dobro questions every news source EXCEPT for the DailyKooks website! Known for their unbiased reporting, right? Hilarious!”
When you find something in any link I put up to factually dispute instead of trying to call it a funny name, we can discuss it. Til then, next…
“the “Republicans don’t like Romney” meme is a fabrication of the left leaning media”
Check his vote totals in the primaries and commentary from RW pundits from Erick Erickson to George Will. I don’t think its a left wing fabrication.
“Democrats would LOVE to believe we aren’t enthusiastic about Romney.. are you kidding? We will line up behind him…”
Well, I know you’re going to line up behind him. That’s not my question. I’m curious about the evangelical vote because I really don’t think they will. What about that?
“Romney’s not a bad sort, actually. He’s intelligent. He’s sincere.”
Sincere?!?! Focus, DBP, focus. you don’t really believe that, do you?
“Mrs. Romney seems to have done a great job raising her family.”
How many nannies and maids helped, do you think?
“He embodies the American dream that Obama loathes.”
Loathes? right wing nonsense. Next…
April 13, 2012 at 5:04 am #754494
kootchmanMemberHere’s why the evangelical vote will turn out. Look at the map. Evangelicals know they are more effective in state, county, local governments. That’s why to the chagrin of Democrats they have been so successful in turning state governments red. Evangelicals turn out in local elections in larger proportions than blue voters. That’s why they control congress. They will be voting for Governors, mayors, state representatives, sheriffs etc.. and they will vote for the top of the ticket. It may not be their “top choice” just as Obama is not the “top choice” of the farthest to the left liberals. They do know however, how they will be governed in their day to day affairs has as much to do with their local representatives as their national government. I give you Ms. Gregoire… and her merry band of more government,… she has caved on the budget..state Democrats can feel the ill wind blowing for her record deficits, lack of job creation, anti-business climate, … and they know damn well new taxes will sweep the house clean, . Republicans turned out in record numbers for the WA caucus… I was there… the presidential ticket was a side note.. the buzz was taking away the state government from the Democrats. McKenna was talked more about than the -presidential campaign. but you bring up a great point as you demean domestic help… I never saw a poor person issue a paycheck. What’s the difference between his wife and our taxes paying for domestic help … aka early childhood education, or Head Start, or subsidized daycare? Hell dude, there are more government employees raising kids than there private childcare workers. For a woman who has multiple sclerosis and has fought breast cancer… I would say Mitt did a damn fine job providing for his family and their security. We in the red states call that a stand up guy. The TEA Party is not about national elections… it is the ground game for local control. That’s why the majority of states are now controlled by Republican governments, republican state houses and senates… and the Supreme Court is clogged with states in litigation with the federal government. You can take down castles by, frontal assault, by tunneling, by siege machines, or the most common and effective way… starvation of resources. You have vastly underestimated the patience and the will of the red states. Look at the map.
April 13, 2012 at 5:17 am #754495
redblackParticipantahh. rob mckenna – who violates the very principles you stand for.
like forcing churches to pay for employees’ contraception.
and that, my fine-feathered friend, is a good example of why evangelicals hate guys like romney. and mckenna.
prediction: they’re sitting this one out, unless someone really religiously kooky emerges on a third-party ticket.
April 13, 2012 at 5:23 am #754496
kootchmanMemberDream on. The republican caucus was a record breaker for attendance. Looking at it pragmatically…. now that the class of 08′ is still living in the basements of their parents, have no jobs. and student loans payments to make… will they turn out? And their unemployment rate is over 14% and hasn’t budged. Where are the jobs. I would be nervous.. except the Obama campaign has nothing to campaign for in the affirmative. The can’et define themselves by achievements… “it’s really bad but, it might have been worse” is hardly a flag to rally under. We will see McKenna may support the concept but that’s an easy one to support… cause the issue is not his to decide. That one goes to the Supreme Court too. Tell me… just curious.. what if you do succeed in forcing the churches to abandon their employee/employer status? That over 900,000 jobs… and all those services gone. That’s the issue you are going to stand on? That’s the best shot from Democrats? 26% of registered voters you are telling their faith is of no consequence to Democrats? Go for it.
April 13, 2012 at 5:31 am #754497
dobroParticipantOf course, my question was about the evangelicals lining up behind Romney. I know about the state gov thing-see my comment in post #5 about how Ellen Craswell and her right wing Xtians put the Repubs out of power for a generation here in WA state. Remember that?
Try to focus on my inquiry about Romney. As I mentioned, I know first hand what holy roller Xtians think about Mormons. Cult is a mild word for it. Heck, you should hear what they call Catholics!
So, besides the local election thing, do you really think they’ll just vote for him as “top of the ticket” automatically without considering their religious views?
BTW, I didn’t “demean” domestic help, I suggested that she didn’t raise her kids on her own as many single mothers and working poor families must do. She had the money to ease that burden, so my comment really has more to do with her than her servants but you really knew that anyway, didn’t you? I guess a well paid public speaker such as yourself doesn’t mind altering the context of things to make a point.
April 13, 2012 at 5:46 am #754498
kootchmanMemberUh huh.. but the most fundamentalist Baptist is for the moment in alliance, as are Orthodox Jews, .. they heed the words… ” I was silent when they came for my neighbor”… you are a smart guy you know the full axiom…. I answered your Romney question… the nuance is not that hard to understand… conservative voters are heading to the ballot box… not just for the top of the ticket… ya think they are gonna check “Obama”? The 2012 election is up and down the ticket. Give ya an example…. when RR swept the country… local elections went Democrat in Ohio, PA .. etc… not too many states overturned their traditions. That is not the case any longer. The TEA Party movement not only overturned Congress, it blew Democratic state legislatures apart. Romney rides the ticket. Ya think they are going to vote for Obama and his Christian virtues? Man, they still think he is a Muslim if not the anti-Christ. They’ll be there. Look at the turnout dude in a the mid-terms. Every two year election cycle is a contest to wrest control back. The most timid candidates this year? Senators with seats at stake. They are paralyzed… the LAST person they want stumping for them is Obama.
April 13, 2012 at 5:49 am #754499
redblackParticipantMan, they still think he is a Muslim if not the anti-Christ. They’ll be there.
and you just look the other way and perpetuate their ignorance.
nice party you guys have going over there.
April 13, 2012 at 5:54 am #754500
kootchmanMemberWho am I to judge? I will take em’. Just like the left will take their fringes … this is an all in contest. I don’t comment on the dress code of the person sharing the foxhole…long as we are both shooting in the same direction. Wanna see the video again of The New Black Panther Party at the polling place with clubs to intimidate voters? The ones Holder wouldn’t prosecute despite the objections of his civil rights division? Now tell me again how clean the left agenda is?
April 13, 2012 at 5:55 am #754501
dobroParticipant“ya think they are gonna check “Obama”?”
No, I think they’ll either sit it out or vote local and pass on checking the president box. You can do that, you know.
April 13, 2012 at 5:58 am #754502
kootchmanMemberSure they will.
April 13, 2012 at 6:02 am #754503
kootchmanMemberthis will comfort you… todays tracking poll
Rasmussen
Thursday, April 12, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13
In a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup, President Obama and Mitt Romney are tied at 45%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern
That’s the INCUMBENT dude…
And the money machine is not even geared up yet. Super Pacs arrive on the scene soon.
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