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October 12, 2018 at 7:58 pm #930671
JoBParticipant935
Are you aware that ANTIFA is not a liberal group. they are only defined as left wing because they are anti-fascist, anti-racist .. and these days that means they are against the current regime.
but that doesn’t make them liberal.
are you aware who first tried to patent the slogan “Make America Great Again’? You know.. the signature slogan of the Trump campaign… The Ku Klux Clan…
no surprise that they are front and center at Trump rallies.
October 13, 2018 at 10:22 am #930707
JoBParticipant935
I missed this somehow “to the victor go the spoils”that’s the root of the problem. You see the Supreme Court as “spoils”.
I see the Supreme Court as part of the checks and balances in our government
there are no checks and balances when the Supreme court is viewed as political spoilsOctober 13, 2018 at 10:23 am #930708
JoBParticipant935
your “to the victor go the spoils” remark pretty much says it all…
Those aren’t the principles upon which this nation was founded
in fact. those are the principles this nation was founded to avoid.you really ought to read those documents your bandy about as though you know what they mean.
October 13, 2018 at 8:57 pm #930751
JanSParticipantyes, thank you aa….
dear trex…are you honestly saying that dr. Ford connived to deny Mr.Kavanaugh a Supreme Ct. judgeship 6 years ago during Obama’s term as president, when she told her doc about it? Her husband? Are you effing serious? Sorry it took this long to respond…have been incarcerated at Swedish Cardiac Interventional Unit for 2 months….sigh.
you really think women are this conniving?
October 13, 2018 at 9:48 pm #930762
JanSParticipantDear 935….ANTIFA? HAHAHAHAHA…do you honestly think we’re from down on the farm? WTF? I am 71, and I have heard of much more than that. Don’t be so damned condescending as to think you only know about these things. And don’t generalize…one protesting senior citizen(As is their right) does not equal every senior citizen that exists.(Are you sure you weren’t speaking of your dear president at one of his rallies? No comment about that?) More than that, now at the the ripe age of 71, life being as short as I have finally found out, I am simply saying that you’re so full of it, your chin is turning brown. Maybe someone needs to slap you silly, too. There, I, too, condoned violence. But you took your football and ran away when no one agreed with you, poor thing. You really have some serious personal negative feelings towards JoB, don’t you?)
October 14, 2018 at 7:42 am #930792
JoBParticipantLOL. Jan made me laugh… and not because she agrees with me.
there is nothing like spending weeks on end in the trauma ward to loosen your tongue…I am tickled to find her recovered enough for her inner curmudgeon to emerge ;-)
October 14, 2018 at 8:26 am #930793
mark47nParticipantI do find it entraining when someones party holds control in an iron fist yet says that they’re the ones being treated unfairly.
I also love watching bitter exchanges on message boards. I’ve engaged in many, right here. I’ve used facts from credible sources, such as the CBO, CDC, NIH and various others that would be considered credible only to have them ignored or to hear that they are biased. Well, facts are not biased, that’s the beauty of them. They can be twisted and incorrectly interpreted but that doesn’t alter that they are facts.
No one is changing anyones minds, here. But I’ll lay a fact on you, right here. Clinton left behind a $250bn budget surplus and had a viable plan, supported by the CBO and other tax/econmics think tanks (numbers wise, anyway) to pay off the national debt in 20 years. Bush came in and spent it “refund” checks to tax payers, and proceeded to drill holes in the budget immediately. He also expanded the debt immensely. Obama started to make whole in the deficit he was left. Trump immediately created a $1tr hole. This trend goes back pretty far. Who is really the party of fiscal responsibility?
October 17, 2018 at 10:45 pm #931146
HMC RichParticipantSheesh, Mark47n both parties are guilty of overspending. But it took sexual abuser and perjury master Bill Clinton and a Republican Congress to bring down spending. Reagan did not have a Republican Congress and had debt. George Bush unfortunately left spending to Congress and he let debt sail through. And then there is 9 Billion Obama and a stupid Congress. Trump announced expected 5% cuts for the next budget. It’s getting scary. But we the people elected these people. How I wish there were term limits. How I wish Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, and other career politicians would not have the ability to keep running and winning re-election. All those old white men you complain about are just playing by the rules all others are using. Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Chuck Grassley, Lindsay Graham and Patty Murray certainly aren’t going to retire anytime soon. And still we hear nothing about the sexual misconduct payoffs from our representatives in DC.
The amendment that allowed Senators to be popularly elected hurt the states. It’s fine when “your person” is in but excruciating when the opposition is in. So be it for now.
October 18, 2018 at 7:21 am #931159
JoBParticipantHMCRich
can you explain to me how the qualifiers sexual abuser and perjury master pertain to a discussion on the deficit?Or.. how those two same qualifiers don’t better describe our current commander in chief who doesn’t care if a woman is a willing participant or not and has been caught red handed paying his paramours off…
has he perjured himself yet? well.. that remains to be seen doesn’t it. We know he lies continuously.. we can count them.. and someone has.
and FYI. I get that you don’t like them but Maxine Walters and Patty Murray aren’t old white men.. not by a stretch.
as for those sexual misconduct payoffs.. i suspect you aren’t going to hear much about them as long as the representatives who profited from them are in power… If they were perpetrated by mostly democrats as you insinuate we would already have full disclosure… after all the hands controlling the cookie jar are Republican.
We the people didn’t elect Trump. No really. The Electoral College elected Trump.. and even that took more than a bit of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering.
and no.. winner takes all isn’t exactly the motto the United States is built on…
show me where the preamble to the Constitution says that..“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
now.. back to our regularly scheduled programming…
October 25, 2018 at 8:57 pm #931837
HMC RichParticipantHi JoB
Mark47 in their last post and a previous post brought up a former President’s past, and using precedence (as judge Kavanaugh has used also) I just thought I would add to the discussion. Some of These Men of Power (and a few women) have some sleazy backgrounds and if the shoe fits they should wear it if there is proper evidence and confirmation. They just have to pick when not to lie to avoid indictment.
Regarding the election of 2016, As President Obama said, “Elections have consequences”. We do have an electoral college and it should stay in place. We are not a Democracy for electing a President. As you know, We are a Constitutional Republic and the EC works properly. In my opinion Senators shouldn’t be elected by the popular vote either, but they are and we have career politicians there and less state representation. I like Senator Murray. She is civil, working in the DC system. She has a professional decorum as does Susan Collins. But, I don’t always care for Mitch McConnell either. They have all been in office for too long. I am not going to throw out all of my grievances against opposition politicians just to save time and sanity.
But the gerry-mandering needs to be addressed. It doesn’t matter here because our 7th District is about 84 percent liberal with 8% Republican and 7% other. Just talking to Seattle residents usually when some political conversation comes up if they know you live in Seattle most assume I must be a Democrat or Progressive. With those numbers how could they not. Just an observation.
I like liberals but they don’t always like me. And uber leftist Kshama and I can’t be friends. I am not heartbroken. She even said she could not be friends with a Republican. But she is not a Democrat either. So hopefully, with all of this current vitriol in politics the rest of us can remember that we should be able to disagree without launching craziness.
October 29, 2018 at 6:29 am #932150
JoBParticipantHMCRich
this is what bothers me most about what you wrote ” They just have to pick when not to lie to avoid indictment” because it doesn’t tell the whole story. they have to pick when not to lie unless there is no political will to indict them… which is happening as we speak… our acceptance of the winner (by hook or crook) takes all philosophy enables liars to prosper.
No matter which side of the political aisle you think you are defending .. that isn’t a good thing.
As for the 7t district.. you might take a closer look at it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington%27s_7th_congressional_districtmostly white. mostly affluent. and not always democratic.
October 29, 2018 at 11:28 am #932169
J242Participant“Sigh.
So J242 and Job are actually condoning violence against people who don’t agree with them. This is truly a sad state of affairs.”
Compared to the nazi who just opened fire on a synagogue in PA, or the RWNJ who was sending mail bombs to 45’s “enemies”? You’re going to get up in arms over THIS? You need to check yourself and get some perspective. Where are you calling out 45 for actively telling his supporters to “punch” others? He’s offered (and reneged, no surprise at all. His word is worth absolutely nothing) to pay for their legal fees for assaulting people that point out his lies. Cult of personality all the way and if a verbal smack-down is too harsh for you, kindly remove yourself from the conversation. Only one side of the political spectrum endorses the KKK and nazis. That is flat out offensive, wrong, and anti-american. It’s not freedom of speech, it’s ignorant hate that we have had WARS to stop. You don’t have a leg to stand on.
“Job – Have you heard of the group ANTIFA? There’s a group right here in Seattle.”
You probably are confused about Antifa compared to Black-bloc anarchists. The two are not the same and how, in any way can you be opposed to anti-fascism? You want fascism to grow? If you’re not opposed to it, you either support or are okay with it. So which is it? You think the KKK and neo-nazis deserve a public platform?! What is wrong with you??!!
October 29, 2018 at 5:26 pm #932201
JoBParticipantJ242
i have been posting here long enough that i am pretty sure you know i am not part of the problem. i think being anti fascist is the only sensible thing to do.
however.. i have never condoned or advocated violence .. even in the face of violence .. as a solution.. unless of course you count wishing i could slap some sense into people who don’t seem to have any… and you are right.. i am woefully ignorant of the nuances of the different groups that claim to represent my best interests in ways i would never approve…i confess. .i choose to stay that way.
October 30, 2018 at 8:55 am #932231
waynsterParticipantJoB violent never she is sweet and innocent…. she loves a good laugh though..
hehehehe…
https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2018/10/29October 30, 2018 at 1:14 pm #932248
JoBParticipantWaynster..
i confess.. not always sweet and often not innocent
but i do like a good laugh and you always deliver one
thanksOctober 31, 2018 at 8:41 pm #932371
aaParticipantUgh!
November 1, 2018 at 5:38 pm #932456
mark47nParticipant<eating popcorn and watching the show>
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