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September 18, 2018 at 1:22 pm #928595
Michael WaldoParticipant…If 30 years later I were to be judged by my antics as a teenager, I would think that was wrong.
I am a completely different person today then I was in my teens.
I don’t drink and drive anymore.
I don’t do drugs.
I am not full of myself.
I really don’t know how to feel about the accusation against Kavanaugh.September 18, 2018 at 2:45 pm #928599
heartlessParticipantSo just judge him on who he was last week when he denied the accusations. If the events happened then he is lying. And that alone is enough to not have him on the court.
This simplification fixes all of your concerns about how you have change in 30 years.
September 19, 2018 at 4:32 am #928649
mark47nParticipantWho I was as a teen, 30 years ago, informs who I am now.There is n sudden tabula rasa at some magical point and if he’d bee prosecuted rather than protected then he’s have a court record, a conviction as a sex offender and ineligible anyway. So, yes, who you are as a teen matters.
If you need another example look at Brock Turner. Raped a passed out girl behind a dumpster and skated. The girl, however, is destroyed. Brock turner has been actively shielded by his parents and his father said that a few minutes of action shouldn’t ruin this promising young man’s life. But no one says what it did to this young woman. What kind of person will Brock Turner be? I guess we’ll know in 30 years but he was called to the carpet, even though the sentence was pathetic and to say it didn’t fit the crime is an understatement.
Being investigated and convicted is a chief difference.
Kavanaugh is dogmatic and it’s visible all over the place. Given that his public court records have been sealed so that only around 7% are able to be reviewed is a sign of more of that shielding. All other court pick have had all of their records available for scrutiny. This fact alone should disqualify him.
September 19, 2018 at 12:37 pm #928658
T RexParticipantThere is no way this woman can prove anything, its her word against his. I find it very hard to believe that she JUST now decided to bring it into the public eye on her own. Pretty sure she was “convinced” to come forward. I would not be surprised if she has been paid off as well. The Democratic party have completely lost their minds since Trump got elected. And in my opinion, the more crazy they get, the more power they are giving Trump and sealing his re-election.
I love how she made this claim and now is calling the shots on when SHE wants to talk. Seems to me she would want this done and over with ASAP but isn’t it funny that she may not talk on Monday after all. Its all a side show people, hell even Hillary is talking about it to the lovely and ever so fair journalist Rachel Maddow. These people make me laugh out loud.September 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm #928684
blblParticipantThe type of behavior is important. Drugs, drinking & driving and other behavior, even if they are crimes, do not necessarily demonstrate poor character. But lying, cheating, stealing, or physically assaulting another person does. A person is more likely to pass a character and fitness test (for professional licensing, for example) if they have a felony drug conviction than they are if they got arrested for passing bad checks. Or even cheating on a test. The behavior here is particularly important because it demonstrates that Kavanaugh has no respect for a woman’s right to protect her bodily integrity. That may not be a big deal if he is applying for a job at Amazon, but it terrifying when he is in the position to actually take away that right.
September 19, 2018 at 1:17 pm #928693
cwitParticipantT Rex – I wouldn’t assume to know what it takes for a person who has experienced an assault like that to come forward.
Michael Waldo – Plenty of people can say that day don’t drink and drive anymore but hopefully, not many can put ‘I don’t attempt rapes anymore’ as an accomplishment. Especially if they’re being considered for a position to the highest court in the US.
But even more recently, it’s been shown that he’s more than likely lied under oath in his confirmation hearings in 2004. That should be enough to cause people to think twice about his confirmation to the Supreme Court.
September 19, 2018 at 3:21 pm #928699
mark47nParticipant@TRex, Peshmerga, et al: Stop blaming the Democrats. They are not in charge.
To say that the issues that are being investigated are politically motivated, especially in light of a few convictions at this point, is preposterous. The GOP howled for blood and impeached Clinton over a blowjob. What is not being investigated, indicted and convicted are not crimes related to a blowjob. These are all issues that revolves around moral character.Trump has demonstrated over and over, for decades, that he’s a pig. He’s crude, overbearing, boorish and generally revolting. He’s refused to call out the racism that was associated with his ascension by condemning the protesters of said racism and has turned up the volume of his xenophobic leanings.
Kavanaugh is just another in a long line of conniving thugs to be nominated for positions of power that Trump has supported. Why won’t the White House allow his records to be reviewed? All other justices had full transparency of their judicial career, but Kavanaugh gets to his something like 93%. This whole things reeks.
As to Rachel Maddow: she’s not a journalist and I’ve never heard her caller herself one. She’s a pundit. Just like all of the wagging jaws on fox.
September 19, 2018 at 9:28 pm #928726
aaParticipantI was raped in college in 1976. At that time we didn’t have the language or awareness to call something date rape. Or at least I didn’t. I knew it was wrong no doubt. I haven’t sought him out for any legal action and I can tell you there is no doubt in my mind that I would speak up if he was being considered for an important position such as this. If you haven’t been sexually assaulted you should shut up.
September 20, 2018 at 2:38 pm #928779
Michael WaldoParticipantAA – thank you
September 21, 2018 at 6:15 am #928820
TSurlyParticipant@mark47n “These are all issues that revolves around moral character.”
Republicans, the party of “morality” and “family values” only when it is convenient for their narrative.
September 21, 2018 at 7:39 am #928823September 21, 2018 at 7:58 pm #928891
HappyOnAlkiParticipantHeartless, you’ve got it:
“So just judge him on who he was last week when he denied the accusations. If the events happened then he is lying. And that alone is enough to not have him on the court.”
This matters.September 28, 2018 at 11:43 am #929408
whywedonotreportParticipantI can show the name of the person who did this to me when I was 14 because he was charged but not for the rape and attempted rape of the woman so I will delete her name but you all wonder why so many women do not report at the time of assault and you will read why… if undressing me and himself and “assaulting” me isn’t rape then what was it? He got off with just attempted assault on both of us!???!
Dec. 1970] STATE v. KELLY 889
3 Wn. App. 888, 478 P.2d 246
Mrs. xxx who lived in the apartment below were calling to inquire about the commotion, and when the stewardess failed to answer her phone, they ran upstairs to her apartment to investigate, and chased off the attacker. The stewardess and the xxxxx identified the defendant at the trial. The defendant vehemently denies any connection with the incident, and his defense at trial was based on the uncertainty and inconsistency in the identification.
The incident giving rise to the second charge of assault with intent to commit rape occurred on November 19, 1968. The 14-year-old complaining witness, a junior high school girl, testified that she was walking home when a man jumped out of the bushes, put his hand over her mouth and told her not to scream. She described how he forced her into the bushes and up into the woods, undressed her, undressed himself, and assaulted her. The prosecuting witness made a lineup identification of the defendant and also identified him in the courtroom.- This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by whywedonotreport.
September 28, 2018 at 8:58 pm #929456
HMC RichParticipantThe 7th FBI background check. I guess they were inept on The previous background checks? I doubt that.
Flake and the Democrats have now gotten this FBI check.
Once it is finished I don’t believe the Senate vote will be delayed. I also think the results will sway Flake, Collins, Murkowski, and Manchin (spelling)? to cast their votes to yes or no. McConnell has to read the tea leaves after that. But my guess is there will not be anymore delays.
Mark47n, Were you Bill Clinton’s wingman? He’s the last person anyone should bring up especially considering the charges being investigated.
September 29, 2018 at 8:32 pm #929522
dobroParticipant“The 7th FBI background check. I guess they were inept on The previous background checks? I doubt that.”
I’m sure they weren’t, but people have come forward that didn’t come forward in earlier checks. That warrants more investigation. Kavanaugh has also blatantly lied under oath about many things other than the Ford allegations. He also exhibited massively inappropriate judicial “temperment” and rather shocking partisan conspiracy theory malarkey (revenge of the Clintons!!) in his opening statement. All of which show him to be unfit to serve on the Supreme Court and, in my opinion, unfit for his current position.
September 30, 2018 at 8:37 am #929538
mark47nParticipantOh, HMC, you make me smile.
Over years and years of investigation by Kenneth Starr all they found was a single lie about a blowjob. That’s it. There were no other convictions of others or no other wrongdoing found that was actionable. That is not the case now and you know it, if only through reading the news. Fake news, for you.
As for it all being about the Democrats (a common refrain) I remind you that the GOP holds the White House, the judiciary and both houses of Congress. How, exactly, is this something that can be hurled at the Democrats? Oh, wait, it can’t. As to the whole idea that Kavanaugh deserves a vote, despite recent allegations, I remind you that Mitch McConnell held up Garland, Obama’s pick, for more than 400 days.
400 days.
If that’s not playing politics to advance an agenda I don’t know what is. picking that Justice was Obama’s prerogative as the current sitting president. This of course doesn’t include all of the other judicial nominees and other political appointments that simply were never voted on that were Obama’s to pick.
So, HMC, if you want to know who’s responsible for driving the proverbial car into the ditch you should look in the mirror while you dig in your pockets to find the trillions of dollars to pay for Trump’s tax cuts.
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October 1, 2018 at 12:40 pm #929639
skeeterParticipant“Over years and years of investigation by Kenneth Starr all they found was a single lie about a blowjob.”
Just to clarify — the lie was made under oath. It was a sworn deposition in the Paula Jones trial. Look, I get it the lie was likely made to prevent embarrassment. And one could argue there are times when lying is the best course of action to prevent embarrassment of a spouse. But a direct lie under oath is another matter. We simply cannot allow people to lie under oath with no consequences.
I have no idea why Clinton lied under oath. It was so incredibly stupid. He simply should’ve told the investigators it is none of their business what he did or did not do with Monica.
October 1, 2018 at 12:54 pm #929641
skeeterParticipantRepublicans, the party of “morality” and “family values”
I was born in the mid-1970s. My parents were both well educated and strongly leaned to the right politically. I really do think there was a time when the Republican party had a strong moral compass and commitment to family values.
Those days are certainly long gone. Republicans have been morally bankrupt for 20-ish years now. Trump, of course, was the final straw.
My mom, a woman who marched in the “March for Life” opposing legal abortion countless times in the bitter cold, voted for HRC in 2016.
October 2, 2018 at 6:25 am #929715
JoBParticipantthe question the FBI has not been asked to investigate is whether Brett Kavanaugh lied under oath.
there is every indication that he lied not once.. but several times.shouldn’t that alone disqualify him as a Supreme Court Judge?
October 2, 2018 at 2:52 pm #929725
935ParticipantPROVE it.
PROVE he lied. PROVE he sexually assaulted someone(s)
PROVE he is of ill moral character and not worthy of the bench. This IS (still) America, and the presumption of innocence is still key. Unless we want to make the “guilty” prove their innocence – I dont think anyone wants to go down that roadJeff Flake gave the left exactly what they asked for, now that’s not enough. The FBI is investigating. The president has said the investigation will be “comprenhensive” (see ted turners network for the link).
This is a red herring and the vote results WILL NOT CHANGE. It is the left being obstructive. Just as the right was during the nomination of Garland. Difference is Obama was a lame duck president and the result was something we have seen many times before (during lame duck presidencies) Also, the American people have had just about enough. Both left AND right. We’re tired of this BS. 40% of us are annoyed one way, 40% the other. The 20% (where I stand) is just plain ashamed of the other 80%.
This “government” is NOT of, by and for the people.
October 2, 2018 at 2:52 pm #929650
mark47nParticipantYes, he lied under oath…about a blowjob. Several years of investigation ended up with lying about a blowjob.
Clinton was a known womanizer but there really wasn’t anything illegal or questionable that turned up.
Oh, don’t forget he was impeached after that. That’s the consequence. The senate never took up the impeachment to convict him and expel him from office. To say that there weren’t consequences is not entirely accurate.
So, let’s keep our perspective. Bill lied about a blowjob, Obama had zero scandals, Bush II had “Missions Accomplished” Katrina and the massive failure in the federal response, 9/11, which could’ve bee prevented if the Bush administration had chosen to act in intelligence from the Clinton administration and more…so much more. Trump=scandals too numerous to count in less than 2 years. A special investigation that is indicting, trying and convicting Trump operatives, a stream of blithering idiocy via social networking, and around 2 dozen complaints made against him for sexual assault.
Kavanaugh is another wealthy, privileged, buffoon that grew up in private schools and Ivy League universities. DC is loaded with them. His behavior through this confirmation process has been abhorrent (to say nothing of members of the Senate Judiciary committee) and to think that he may yet end up in the Supreme Court disgusts me. The number of scandals that have cropped up with nominees from Republican presidents in my lifetime is shameful. I may not have liked Scalia or Rehnquist but I just cannot imagine them behaving the way that Kavanaugh has. Kavanaugh behaves like a child who’s had the silver spoon yanked right out of his mouth. What he really deserves is a solid kick in his elite posterior.
October 2, 2018 at 3:36 pm #929757
T RexParticipantI am really tired of hearing the he is a wealthy privileged man, pretty sure Mrs. Ford was getting and got a very great education, is she not a wealthy and privileged woman? Innocent until proven guilty.
I am tired of people judging people because they had maybe a not so bad bringing up because of their parents or their families money. Or themselves. Is it a flipping crime to make a lot of money? Oh wait, its ok to be filthy rich if you are a Democrat. I forgot.
Let the FBI do it’s job but it wont matter, because the Democrats have already said they will go for impeachment if he is sworn in. Based on what? They should really pay attention because if this backfires on the Democrats, November may bring some sad faces to Thanksgiving this year.
Just saying…October 2, 2018 at 7:59 pm #929774
JeannieParticipantThis was not a trial – it was a JOB INTERVIEW. T Rex, I don’t know if you own or manage a business, but I sure wouldn’t hire a guy who cries, yells and nose-twitches at an interview. Oh, and repeats his affection for beer over and over.
P.S. “Just saying,” aka “Just sayin'” is classic passive-aggressive. Translates to: “I am saying something obnoxious, but I’m a nice person so don’t be offended.” Even worse than “I might be wrong, but…”
TrumPutin has done a great job of dividing this country, hasn’t he? Whatever happened to the sane, reasonable Republicans? I miss them!October 2, 2018 at 8:00 pm #929775
JeannieParticipantThanks! Well-stated.
October 3, 2018 at 7:58 am #929815
T RexParticipantJeannie, I assure you I am not passive aggressive. I have to be reserved on this forum as to not be asked to NOT post but I think you for you educating me on what that term means to you. To me it is just a comical statement.
The few times I was able to watch Kavanaugh was in the beginning I found him well spoken, sincere and I believe speaking the truth in what he believed in going into the process. However, when he spoke last, I saw a man defending himself, his career, his family, his beliefs etc. I would have been upset if he wasn’t mad. And if I was being accused of something so terrible and I was innocent, I would be very passionate as well. I guess I will never work for you. I mean that as a joke and not as an insult.
I don’t own my own business but I am in management at a large company in Seattle and I have been at my company for well over 20 years. I’m pretty sure I am well respected based on my own values as well as my company’s values.
I don’t agree that it is Trump alone who has divided this country, I believe we all have a stake in that claim, I hate that I cannot have a civil conversation with most of my friends anymore because they became so angry if you even mention his name. It is sad but true. But people need to own their own behavior, it is so easy to blame on Trump, Putin.
I was not a big Obama fan, nor did I vote for him but on his first election night, I had tears in my eyes knowing that America had taken a huge step forwards in electing him. I was proud of US, I was proud of him. And one of the greatest speakers I have ever heard.
And I am a nice but don’t tell anyone.
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