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September 4, 2008 at 6:59 pm #587968
AnonymousInactiveWhat do they plan on doing about the issues we care about?
Small town, big town. Dress cost, hair cut cost. Married to beer or ketchup. Muslim, christian. Snow machine racer, train rider. Down’s syndrome, wife with cancer. Shrill, elitist. Really?
I’ll start. I care about health, education, jobs and the economy, security and international standing, woman’s right to choose, gay’s right to exist and love who they want. Poverty, hunger, etc, etc, etc. Anyone else?
September 4, 2008 at 7:04 pm #637429
mellaw6565MemberJT – I think many of those issues have been discussed already – both on the Dem Convention thread and others.
What did you hear the Dems say? I heard a lot – haven’t heard the same from the Repub’s yet. What do they plan on doing – the same thing we’ve had for 8 years? About the only thing on your list above that the Repub’s have talked about is security – nothing else.
Those issues mean a lot to me too – and I’m satisfied with some of the answers I’m hearing from the Dem’s to address them.
Also, in your “comparisons” – who’s the Muslim?
September 4, 2008 at 7:11 pm #637430
CPMemberI agree with mellaw, JT. You may want to sample the rest of the posts – they’ve addressed those issues and have been rather entertaining at that! :) We’d enjoy your input.
September 4, 2008 at 7:11 pm #637431
AnonymousInactiveNo one is a Muslim. Some Reps accused Obama and my point is we don’t need to act that way ourselves. We don’t like it. It’s trivial. Why are we participating in the same behavior?
Take any issue instead. Iraq. I want Obama and the cast of intelligent people he will surround himself with, deciding the safest way to get our troops home. I don’t want McCain and his shoot first, use the most military might, mentality figuring it out.
September 4, 2008 at 7:13 pm #637432
HPMemberI am with you JT, my silly talk about her kids names was just that, silly talk. which is what i heard coming out of the mouth of sarah palin hours before , I listened to her speech and heard none of what you listed.I heard a few lies though. If she would have given us meat to discuss we could do that, but she did not, she has no idea what the life of a gay person is like, or poverty or inner city issues or the fact that the worlds view of america is diminishing and fast.
September 4, 2008 at 7:17 pm #637433
AnonymousInactiveIf Palin gave us nothing to discuss, wouldn’t that make it easier to share our ideas? I want to convince independents, and maybe a few Republicans that we have great ideas to improve our country. Deciding if Palin is a good mom is as relevant as wondering if Bill was a good husband. Not our business if she is. It’s her families concern.
September 4, 2008 at 7:18 pm #637434
mellaw6565MemberI agree HP – the “fun” that we’ve been having on these posts is because they (Repubs)have not given us any substance to comment on. I’ve even invited that comment from NR and others – but complete silence.
JT – the only one at this point who is talking about bringing troops home is Obama. McCain has made it clear he’s keeping troops in. So, when you are talking about disengaging troops from combat, I think that you can’t (1) develop a plan from the outside – in other words, you have to have access from inside advisors in order to formulate the best plan (which Obama doesn’t have full access to yet – so no fully developed plan) and (2)you don’t want to necessarily air your plan for your enemies. It’s a complicated process and I think Obama’s more general statements are probably about as specific as he can get at the moment, IMO.
September 4, 2008 at 7:19 pm #637435
AnonymousInactive“”Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America’s energy problems — as if we all didn’t know that already,” she said. “But the fact that drilling won’t solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.”
“She and Sen. McCain both support new offshore drilling. Gov. Palin also supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, something the man at the top of the ticket has declined to do.” – WSJ
I believe McCain/Palin are discussing issues. Not only issues, but reform. That is what is important to me.
We need change. But not “change” without a plan; change, as in reform with clear plans to back up the talk. This is what a vote for McCain/Palin will accomplish
September 4, 2008 at 7:22 pm #637436
AnonymousInactivemellaw – I have responded to you (it’s in one of the 4 bashing of Palin threads).
I didn’t get on the computer last night or earlier today, because I knew that it would be filled with hateful, snarky, silly, unimportant banter that had nothing to do with real issues.
I enjoyed the speech and didn’t want it ruined for me, but I did answer you today.
September 4, 2008 at 7:38 pm #637437
MissKMemberNR – That’s laughable you speak of hateful, snarky, silly banter. I think thats what the RNC was dishing out last night. Even today the Dems are keeping the highroad and complimenting Palin on her speaking abilities and not attacking her with passive agressive comments. As was the case in the speeches last night.
September 4, 2008 at 7:52 pm #637438
acemotelParticipantCan’t get much more spiteful than Giuliani last night. Palin speech last night = the definition of silly banter. complete with pig joke.
September 4, 2008 at 7:56 pm #637439
AnonymousInactive“Even today the Dems are keeping the highroad and complimenting Palin on her speaking abilities and not attacking her with passive agressive comments.” – MissK
I haven’t seen that here on this forum. Where is that?
September 4, 2008 at 7:58 pm #637440
MissKMemberNR – I have not attacked any poster who posts differing views. If you have read any of my past posts I said she was very personable. However, to be in the office of Veep, she is just not ready. I hope that they have a town hall style debate. See how she can hold herself without the teleprompter or speech writers.
September 4, 2008 at 8:37 pm #637441
mellaw6565MemberMissK – I’m waiting for that too – an “unscripted” Palin.
NR – when it came to snide and snarky – Palin’s speech took the cake last night. It was awful in its’ hateful rhetoric. It was a divisive speech, IMO and frankly her swipes turned me off. I was looking for substance and it wasn’t there.
September 4, 2008 at 8:37 pm #637442
ErikParticipantHowever, to be in the office of Veep, she is just not ready.
Yeah, I guess she’ll need some tutoring by Dick Cheney in how she too can pull off a murderous rampage with the help of some remote-control planes and thermite…and then pin the blame on a whole group of innocents…anything to get a pipeline built.
September 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm #637443
mellaw6565MemberActually JT – I think your thread has been jacked – I did want to get back into discussing the issues as you started to do.
We started with the issue of troop withdrawal from Iraq…..
September 4, 2008 at 9:03 pm #637444
beachdrivegirlParticipantThe Economy is one of the most important issues to me. That is problem one of the biggest reason why I support Obama over McCain.
The Iraq war is another big one for me and it coincides with another one for me which is (as i mentioned in another thread) rebuilding the relationships that are current administration has destroyed with other countries.
LGBT equality is important.
And keeping the US Pro-Choice. Althugh I do have to say, for me, i absolutly disagree with partial birth abortions.
September 4, 2008 at 9:06 pm #637445
charlabobParticipantJT, if you wanted this to be a thread about issues, giving it the title of “come on, dems, grow up” was hardly the way to do it.
“Why are we participating in the same behavior?”
Many years ago, I was an extremely even handed far leftist. For example, at that time, I would have said, for example, “Yes, McCain was part of the Keating 5 but he wasn’t indicted or even censured. He wasn’t the baddest of the bad.”
How did I get here? Because it became clear that the REPUGS had no such sense of ethics or fairness. I’m sure there are some individuals who do. But the party platform and philosophy behind it is simply based on lying, stealing, and toughing it out when they get caught.
How do I have a rational discussion of the issues with people whose modus operandi is “Lie and Whine.”
It makes me very sad to have to “stoop” to their level. And make no mistake: it is their level. All our “nobility” has gotten us in the past 16 years is stolen elections, corrupt and incompetent government agencies (which will take a decade to reclaim), and a country in danger of joining all of the other fallen empires, with oligarchs thriving on the rubble. There’s a reason Bush saw Putin’s soul.
All this because they follow the mantra of proving government can do no good, so they can, eventually, drown it in the bathtub.
I love and believe in our country, our constitution, and our ability to be leaders in the world because of our ideals, not because of our weapons. I want my kids and grandkids (whom I don’t have to invent) to grow up in that country.
This is not simply a debate — it’s a matter of survival and I don’t believe that’s an overstatement. The number of people who firmly believe there will be an “attack on our soil” if Obama leads in the polling in October is frightening. And we’re right.
Postscript: I scanned the latest postings in other political threads, focusing on R’s, and I’m sorry to say the local branch seems to follow the same model. I had hoped to see otherwise.
September 4, 2008 at 10:25 pm #637446
AnonymousInactiveCharla, but it made you open the thread:) I know it’s just wishful, fanciful thinking. It’s some dems, and some reps, and only some of the time. All your points are a valid observation. I just want us to be better than that. People are responding to the positive, the message of hope, change, and progress. They are learning that the party of fear and stagnation (I mean tradition) isn’t the way to go. I just thought it was worth a shot. I don’t need to know how much money Cindy McCain has any more than I needed to know how much money Theresa Heinz had in 2004. That’s all.
September 5, 2008 at 12:25 am #637447
JoBParticipantJT…
i think part of the republican strategy is to focus us on Sarah Palin and forget what’s important.
Sarah Plain is not important and her choice as VP running mate shows just how unimportant finding a VP who could fill the President’s shoes if he/she had to was to John McCain.
You are right, we really don’t have time for this diversion.
Although if Sarah is what it took to get Hillary in middle America sooner rather than later.. I am all for it.
September 5, 2008 at 4:26 am #637448
AnonymousInactiveNewsflash: Sarah Palin IS important, she’s running for Vice President (not just the first female Republican VP, but the very first female VP)!
It’s completely insulting to continuously discredit this candidate simply because she is not Hillary. No, she’s not Hillary and that could very possibly be why she has a chance.
September 5, 2008 at 4:30 am #637449
CPMemberGeraldine Ferraro. Read a book.
September 5, 2008 at 4:37 am #637450
JoBParticipantNew Resident…
Sarah Palin is not that important. She is simply the republican VP pick.. and a poorly thought out choice for them.
if Sarah was important for any other reason, you would have known all about her prior to her nomination.
if you did, you are one of the few.
September 5, 2008 at 4:44 am #637451
MrJTMemberAh. its time to jump on the JoB bandwagon again.. Well said !
September 5, 2008 at 4:51 am #637452
charlabobParticipant“It’s completely insulting to continuously discredit this candidate simply because she is not Hillary.”
No, it is completely insulting to nominate a poorly-informed completely unqualified person simply because she is a woman. (List o’ adjectives shortened to avoid being kicked off the blog.)
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