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[c@lbob]

It is good that we finally have Hilary’s true feelings about a very large segment of the Democratic Party out in the open. In her own words, and on tape.

She revealed herself, once again but explicitly now, as a DLC Republocrat and war monger.

As one who marched against the war until March 24, 2003, four days after the invasion began, I now know for absolute certain that Hilary isn’t for me.

Charla will have to do some sweet talking to get me to vote for her again.

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[JoB]

Is it possible that you have all been so busy being p…d off at Hillary that you have forgotten you have a candidate?

Please, let me introduce you.

His name is Barak Obama..

you might want to check in now and then to see what he is.. or isn’t .. up to.

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[c@lbob]

Barack Obama was greeted by the largest crowd of his campaign Friday night in Philadelphia. Some 35,000 people jammed into Independence Park to see the Democratic presidential candidate, four days before this state’s crucial April 22 primary. The Philly crowd exceeded the 30,000 who showed up for the rally Oprah appeared in with Barack in Columbia S. C. in December.

BTW, I have a pefect right to comment on other posts in this thread, whether you like it, or not.

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[c@lbob]

Despite her campaign’s relentless attacks on Barack Obama’s qualifications and electability, Hillary Clinton has lost a lot of ground with Democratic voters nationwide going into Tuesday’s critical primary in Pennsylvania, a new NEWSWEEK poll shows.

The survey of 1,209 registered voters found that Obama now leads Clinton by nearly 20 points, or 54 percent to 35 percent, among registered Democrats and those who lean Democratic nationwide.

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[c@lbob]

The Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Sen. Barack Obama has a better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

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[c@lbob]

Among Pennsylvania students who will vote or have voted in a Democratic primary in any state, Obama leads Hillary Rodham Clinton 71 percent to 28 percent, and among those who intend to vote in the Pennsylvania primary, Obama leads by a nearly identical margin of 71 percent to 29 percent. Support for Obama is consistent across types and sizes of schools.

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[JoB]

let’s see…

is this campaign about the campaign?

it appears it must be.. when it isn’t about Hillary.

because there is a remarkable lack of attention paid to Mr Obama on this forum.

sometimes i even forget he is running.

and please.. post anywhere you want to… i doubt there is much i could do to stop you.. had i wanted to:)

it’s been obvious to me for some time that all political threads here should now simply be titled HILLARY’S FAILURE.. because that is what is going to be posted to them regardless..

What are yo going to have to talk about if Obama gets the nomination?

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[c@lbob]

In North Carolina, Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 54% to 38% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Obama leads 50% to 44%.

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[c@lbob]

A poll released Friday morning by the Mike Downs Center for Indiana Politics located on the campus of IPFW shows Hoosier voters prefer Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton. Obama received 50% of the support and Clinton received 45% with 5% undecided.

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[beachdrivegirl]

we have posted numerous great things about Obama in this forum. We have also posted questionable things about his opponent because those things are what makes individuals like myself reaffirm my decision to support Obama.

And on a side not, the Caucuses where the bullying “took” place happened before MoveOn.org stated they were backing Obama so in realty Hillary was out of line by degrading an organization that started for her husband. Politics have changed in the past 30 years and that is why Obama will be President in the next term because unlike his opponents he is embracing what Americans are asking for and not degrading his Democratic parties supporters.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Great news Catlbob!!!

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[kathy]

I started out as a Hillary supporter – still am. But I have to say right now I’m sick of both of them. This campaign with all the exposure of every little flaw is not doing the Democratic chances of winning the election any good. I’ll vote for Barak, but he is definitely not looking better – he’s not the shining light at this point that everyone has been saying he is. He’s looking tired, grumpy, and maybe not up to more hard campaigning. I hope that’s not true, because we need to have the Democrats in the White House.

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[charlabob]

Hmmmm…maybe it’s time for Edwards to swoop in on his white horse, hybrid of course. :-)

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[Kayleigh]

Kathy, the insults by Hillary and her supporters about Obama’s supposed ‘toughness’ need to stop. Really. The Clintons have been complaining about being persecuted for 20 years. They claim to be victims when it suits them, and in the next breath they’re perpetrators of the same tactics others used on *them*. It’s staggeringly hypocritical.

Obama looks like he is weary of the bullsh*t, while Hillary rolls around in it and thrives on it. That tells me all I need to know about both candidates.

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[WSMom]

I’m with you Kathy. I’ve maintained a 51% Obama 49% Clinton internal debate for the past several months. Hillary has dropped herself down in my estimation with her campaign tactics this last two weeks. Watching her take a shot of whiskey was repulsive, then hearing her talk about shooting guns with grandpa (give me a break!). All of this elitist talk, who is she trying to impress?? But the clincher for me was when she brought up Rev. Wright and said (I’m paraphrasing) that if she were in church after 911 and heard his criticism she would have walked out and never come back. After listening to the Reverend’s entire homily on youtube, given that he was expressly quoting a US diplomat, I find her words disingenuous and devisive. I never thought this could happen, but I have lost faith in Hillary.

That said, if she lands the nomination, I will vote for her and campaign for her because we cannot have another republican in the white house.

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[c@lbob]

An interesting story about the woman in the video during the ABC Debate who asked the flag pin question. She’s actually an exemplar of who Obama was referring to in his “bitter” remarks.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Nash_McCabe_The_rest_of_the_story.html

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[charlabob]

This is going to be long, rambling, and I can only hope someone gets to the end. At least I’ll feel better for having said it.

Yup, Jan, it has become personal and in that sense it duplicates what’s going on nationally. I personally know people at high levels in the campaigns who have had friendships and business relationships damaged, possibly permanently, because of the vitriol generated in the campaign.

And, I wish I regretted that more than I do. This is a matter of survival–of the country and, perhaps, of the world. It’s a turning point and the stakes are enormous. That’s bound to generate passion – I’d be worried if it didn’t.

If I were a fair and balanced person, I could say, “There is blame enough to go around.” But, you know what? That’s not true. At this point, both sides are engaging in kitchen sinkery. But, in the beginning, that was not the case.

Back when I was a fierce Edwards partisan, when it first became obvious that this kid, Obama, wasn’t a flash in anyone’s pan, the DLC side of the party began their war. “As far as I know, he isn’t a Muslim?” said Clinton, tentatively. Well, you know what? The answer should have been, “He says he’s not a Muslim–I believe him–but what if he is? We have to separate Islamic Terrorists from Muslims.” In other words, it could have been a teaching moment — instead, it was the beginning of sound bite gotcha politics.

Same thing is true of the current “guilts by association.”

I put :-) around “Hillary is a Commie,” because I was trying to make the same point about her. If you look at the history of the witchhunts of the 50’s–if you read the history of the Mitford-Truehafts, you’ll find that they’re incredibly humane people who JOINED THE COMMUNIST PARTY USA when it was the only game in town for progressives who wanted to build a color-blind, pro-worker society.

Long after they left the party, the law firm in Oakland was one of the few places for poor folks, political prisoners, and others who deserved and couldn’t afford legal representation.

When I first heard that Clinton did her post-law school internship there I was amazed and delighted. Again, boring people with a tiny bit of history could have allowed for yet another teaching moment.

The Wright controversy could have been a time for us to band together and reinforce Obama’s speech on race which, in my view, didn’t go far enough.

Wright is a hero — he said some things that were exaggerated and even cruel, in ways that people don’t like to hear. Doesn’t change the positive impact he’s had on the south side of Chicago and beyond. That’s why Bill invited him to the white house when he wanted religious leaders to help him through the Monica crisis. Because he is a valued spiritual voice. (I’ve battled with folks on on my side who wanted to use Bill’s association with Wright as a gotcha against Clinton.)

Believe me, Clinton’s internship with Truehaft, Obama’s association with Wright and with the Million Man March and with the organization on whose board he served with Bill Ayers could be turned into positives.

Our leaders could be leaders — they could begin to show folks that other poor folks aren’t the enemy. People who don’t wear flags on their sleeves aren’t the enemy.

In fact, 20 years ago, Dukakis could have said, “Yup, I belong to the ACLU — here’s what they do and why you should join too.”

Leadership doesn’t consist of finding out which direction people are headed and sprinting to the front of the line. Or preying on their worst instincts to avoid doing anything controversial.

Am I convinced Obama has the courage and the desire to lead in the way I want? Nope — not for a moment. But he has shown some evidence of understanding what that means and taken steps toward doing it. And, at this point, that’s good enough for me.

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[JoB]

LOL..

“the insults by Hillary and her supporters about Obama’s supposed ‘toughness’ need to stop. Really.”

insults?

now it’s an insult to question whether the candidate we are thinking of putting up against the republican fed McCain political machine can stand the heat?

i don’t think so. i seem to remember that very thing being the primary reason that Obama got his first bump in the primaries… that Hillary hate would bury her in the general election.

Whether anyone likes it or not.. the ability of the democratic candidate to stand up to the heat this fall should be of primary importance to ALL democrats.. regardless of the “side” they are on.

I think too many people are losing sight of the real end goal here.. a democrat in the white house…

if everyone fell out of the race and the democrats put up the town drunk in November.. that drunk would still get my vote….

Yes, it’s that vitally important to our nation.

Which democrat.. that one isn’t so vitally important.. and the battle for the primary certainly isn’t worth taking so personally that we end up alienating half of the party because of it.

That’s just a great way to win the battle and lose the war… and any democrat who thinks we aren’t engaged in a true political war right now has lost sight of their own priorities.

I still think Hillary is the better candidate to lead our nation… i still think she would actually be an agent of real change.. not just the appearance of change…

But i am weary of fighting for no more than her right to represent the nearly half of the party who still backs her.

This isn’t George Bush land. A simple majority is not a mandate.. and our party is set up to require a mandate for candidacy…

Shouting WE WON… WE DO”T CARE WHAT YOU THINK isn’t likely to create any converts in our camp…

You haven’t won yet..

and right now.. if you do.. all you will have won is grudging support.

The anybody but Hillary campaign will become the anybody but McCain campaign.

Now that will inspire republicans and independents to join us won’t it….

it’s been time to focus on the issues and get personalities out of this for some time….

it’s past time here.

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[beachdrivegirl]

To Obama supporters- the endgame is near. The pundits, and the other candidate will do whatever they can tomorrow to make more of the results then what they will really show. 5 points, 10 points, 15 points, 20 points- it’s of almost no consequence.

Here is the truth- Clinton needs to win each of the remaining ten contests by an average of 65-35%– to tie. Now Barack has said today that he does not expect to win Pennsylvania. This should not be a surprise to anyone. The truth is if the race continues through early June Barack will win in North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, and Guam, and compete in Indiana. The truth is Senator Clinton will win Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, and compete in Indiana…

Why bring all this up? It’s just context- tomorrow is one contest out of 54, and it is one that Senator Clinton will win. The day Washington State voted in its caucases, Mike Huckabee soundly beat Senator McCain in the republican results from the 3 contests that day. The states were given there due, and Huckabee given credit for his win, but no one missed the broader context, that it did not put him in a position to realistically secure the nomination, and his days were still numbered. This is tomorrows storyline, and its important to make sure that it is told.

No one said this was going to be easy, but after Barack wins big in 2 weeks in North Carolina he will have a delegate lead equal or greater to the one he has today, and Clinton will need over 90% of the remaining delegates to tie…

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[charlabob]

so, where are the poll-watching pahties? I’ve gone to drinking liberally a couple times, but it would be way kewl to observe with Obamacrats or, for the Clinton folks, Hillcrats. Actually, it will probably be decided before most of us get home from work….but celebratory wakes are always nice. (My McGovern Victory Party in 1972 was especially enjoyable :-)

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[beachdrivegirl]

Admiral Pub???

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[charlabob]

Works for me — except we need someplace that will have the returns on the tv machine — that probably leaves out most sports bars :-)

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[charlabob]

Internal Clinton Poll “leaked” by Drudge Report:

Clinton ahead by 11 percent.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpa.htm

Is that bad news? Nope — it means anything less is dashed hope — defeated expectations — because TMM (the mainstream media) actually listens to Drudge.

heheheLOL:-)

c

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[JoB]

beachdrivegirl..

the democratic primary isn’t the endgame and no-one has done well so far predicting the outcomes of any individual primaries…

what was it that was said at one time of Clinton.. it was hers to lose. Well now it appears t be Obama’s to lose… and he may yet.

but let’s not lose sight of the real endgame here… because it is the one that counts.

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[Jerald]

Amen, JoB. The more they squabble amongst themselves, the more anxious I become.

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