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  • #598663

    DP
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    I’m having a solar array put on my roof this week by West Seattle’s own Solar Epiphany, who I got hooked up with through the Blog. (Thanks Blog!)

    I checked out three other contractors. Of those, two were somewhat flakey, and the other one was solid but overpriced. Solar Epiphany was competitively priced, wasn’t pushy at all, and impressed me for several other reasons as well, including the following:

    1) Solar Epiphany’s owner, Eric Thomas, is very enthused about solar energy (hence the “Epiphany”). For him, it’s not just about making money, it’s about getting more people to go solar. Now if Eric’s presentation had been deficient in any other area, I wouldn’t have been swayed by his enthusiasm alone; this is, after all, a big-ticket item, and I’m going to make the decision based on several factors. But all other things being equal, I’d much rather hire someone who loves and believes in what he’s doing, wouldn’t you?

    Eric’s general enthusiasm and great attitude are reflected in everything he does, from the no-pressure solar seminars he gives at his storefront on California, to the way he resolved my last-minute concerns, to the way he made sure I understood the contract thoroughly before we proceeded. (It also didn’t hurt that he’s a computer whiz who could build an Excel spreadsheet from scratch on his laptop computer when I wanted to compare among several cost-benefit ratios for various solar panel configurations.)

    2)Considering Eric’s business philosophy, it’s no surprise that solar is his only business. Two other companies I contacted were home heating companies that had recently taken up solar as a sideline. There’s nothing wrong with that, but again, all other things being equal, I’d rather go with the company that does only one thing and does it well.

    3) Solar Epiphany is a West Seattle business. Somehow, even this makes me feel better. About a year ago, when I first contacted Eric, he drove me around to half a dozen West Seattle homes where he’d done installations. At that time, we talked with a couple of these homeowners personally, and a year later, when I made the final decision on my own purchase, I felt better about it for having seen installed examples of Eric’s work and having talked with his customers face to face.

    Originally, I was going to do an in-depth Blog piece on solar in West Seattle and was going to use some of Eric’s other customers as the basis for that story. But since deciding to get my own system, I think I’ll just write my up own experience instead. So I’ll be interviewing myself and reporting on myself’s experiences as the work progresses.

    I’ll also be taking questions from the audience.

    In the meantime . . . may the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be always in your turban, and may the sun shine warmly upon your roof.

    –David

    #722768

    I’ve known Eric for over a decade and I just had to say that he is excellent, excellent people. You won’t find a better combination of pure heart and clarity of vision anywhere.

    #722769

    ensignmarvin
    Member

    A few years ago I gave Eric the name of the book Ecotopia, that I’d read in the 70’s, and he loved it. We’ve had some good conversations since.

    DP I’ll certainly be following your 1st hand reports. We just got a new roof this year and have been talking solar too.

    #722770

    librarian
    Member

    Congratulations DP. I’ve know Eric and his wife for a few years and they are both great. We can’t forget Red Cup Espresso, a Solar Coffe Shop.

    #722771

    JayDee
    Participant

    I’d love to get solar–it would work for my house. But (and isn’t there always a but?), I wonder what the payback period is? My double pane windows were a great $20K improvement on the 1954 originals but the projected payback period was 15 to 20 years, well beyond the 7 year period recommended. Granted the new windows are better and sound deadening, but this would not apply to solar (meaning no side benefits during the interim).

    So congratulations DP — keep us informed and perhaps we’ll take the plunge.

    #722772

    Genesee Hill
    Participant

    DP:

    Looking forward to your “progress reports”.

    One of the main things that I have worried about is moss growing on the roof under the panels. Anywhere, and anything, in Seattle that is shaded, grows moss. Particularly on a coarse type roof, such as composition.

    #722773

    JoB
    Participant

    Dp..

    good for you.

    i am hoping the lease option is available by the time i once again own a have roof to put one on

    #722774

    maude
    Participant

    I’d love to put solar in at our place. And just as soon as we save the $$ and/or get enough equity we might just do it. In the meantime, I’ll live vicariously through you, DP.

    Isn’t one of the benefits of solar or any other form of leaving the grid that you can eventually ‘sell’ some of your power back to City Light?

    #722775

    DP
    Member

    I’d love to get solar–it would work for my house. But (and isn’t there always a but?), I wonder what the payback period is?

    JayDee, my friend, that is a great question. It is, of course, the FIRST question everyone interested in solar should be asking themselves. However, it is not the only question.

    In my case, solar does not, in fact, make great economic sense. In the first place, we are living in Seattle, which is not the sunniest of climes. In the second place, I have a west-facing roof. In the third place, we’ve already got a source of cheap, mostly clean energy from Seattle City Light, which, in its visionary perspective, got us ALL hooked up with hydroelectric power over a hundred years ago!!!

    (Amazing, uplifting video: http://tinyurl.com/power-of-snoqualmie)

    Finally, I’m doing a partial install, by which I mean that I’m only covering a part of my roof. It will be thirteen panels in all and will be on the west-facing roof only. This is estimated (conservatively) to supply only 20% of my annual electricity needs. On the other hand, I have an all-electric house, with electric heat pump, water heater, stove, dryer, etc., so 20% of that is still significant.

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    When calculating payback, you have to figure in at least three numbers:

    1. The amount of the federal tax credit you get (currently at 30% of the system cost.)
    2. How much electricity you’ll be generating for your own use, and the dollar value of that electricity.
    3. The incentive money you get paid by the State of Washington for producing solar energy. (The base rate is $0.15 per kilowatt hour (kWh) and goes up, depending on how much of your system is “made in Washington.”) Note: You get the incentive money for every kWh you generate, whether you use it yourself or send it back to the grid. The kWh incentive will expire in nine years, but I’ll be surprised if the Legislature doesn’t extend that.

    With my particular configuration, payback time will be long, at least twenty years. At that point, all my solar power will be free. On the other hand, my panels will be producing less energy by then (output diminishes with age) and so will I. On the other other hand, the cost of electricity will probably also have risen somewhat.

    I could have gone with all made-in-Washington equipment, covered my entire roof, and brought the payback time down by several years. I chose not to go that route, however, because the start-up price was too steep. I was originally going to go with a minimal system (just a couple of panels and the wiring) but decided to go beyond that. For me, one of the strengths of Solar Epiphany, was Eric’s willingness to do that kind of system — if that’s what I wanted. Of course Eric can help you compare payback times, as I’m sure any solar company would. The difference between Eric and some of the other outfits is that Eric will not focus exclusively on that, and he will not try to nudge you into getting the biggest possible system in order to make the most money off you.

    Bottom line on payback: I’m not doing solar to save money. I’m doing solar because I like it better than letting my money sit in a bank at < 1% interest. I’m doing solar because I want to see my electric meter spinning backwards on a sunny summer day.

    But mostly, I’m doing solar because I want to reduce my carbon footprint* and support people like Eric, while simultaneously casting a no-confidence vote in the Enrons and BPs of the world.

    I guess you could say it’s my little way of stickin’ it to the man.

     

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    *OK, so City Light’s already hydro-electric, right? So I didn’t have a big carbon footprint anyway. BUT . . . each kWh I don’t use or send back to the grid is a kWh City Light can SELL to some other supplier that might otherwise have to burn coal. Ergo, I’m helping OTHER folks reduce THEIR carbon footprints.

    #722776

    Robert2715
    Participant

    Here’s data on my recently intalled 24 (BP 230’s) Solar Panel array:

    http://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/LcwL16065

    #722777

    Genesee Hill
    Participant

    Thank you, Robert. It is quite easy to see last Saturday on the graph!! Very, very cool!

    #722778

    DP
    Member

    Unfortunately, we’ve run into a snag on my project. Should be all unsnagged by Monday, though. Don’t want to jinx myself by talking about it any further at this time . . .

    Regarding production tracking, when you get a solar system with Solar Epiphany, they set you up with a free five-year subscription to that. Once your panels are up and running, you plug a magic box into a wall socket and then connect the box to the Internet via your computer. Sniffing around on the grid, the magic box identifies each panel and senses how much juice it’s producing. Using the included software, you can then track and graph your panel production down to fifteen minute increments.

    After the free subscription runs out there’s a fee for this tracking service. It’s $8 per panel for five years. You also have a plain-vanilla option for tracking that’s totally free.

    #722779

    Robert2715
    Participant

    I’m convinced we can get alot more people to conserve energy if they were provided tools to allow them to see their energy usage. Like why is SCL still installing those archaic dial meters instead of digital ones you could access via your home network?

    #722780

    Robert2715
    Participant

    As a FYI, my solar install was done by West Seattle Natural Energy. I would recommend them to anyone interested in such a project. I’m still waiting for SCL to do “their” part and install my “Production” meter but otherwise everything is up and running.

    #722781

    I’m not familiar with that company, but I feel pretty confident in saying that Eric’s probably a better poet than anyone who works there. Which means it’s time for the First Annual West Seattle Solar Energy Provider Spring Poetry Competition (WSSEPSPC). Off the grid and off the hinges.

    #722782

    DP
    Member

    Robert I agree with your observation about people doing a better job of conserving resources when they realize how much they’re using. Digital meters would be one way to go.

    An even easier way to track what you’re using is the monthly power usage analysis that Seattle City Light provides with every billing statement they send out (at least for residential customers). By keeping a sharp eyewatch on that printout, you can determine how much of a difference your conservation efforts are making from month to month. Same thing goes for the water bill. After we had low-flow toilets and faucets installed, our water usage stats plummeted, along with our water bill, and we could follow it all on paper.

    When you get an estimate for solar, one of the first things the estimator will do is ask to see one of those statements from City Light. That’s how they estimate how much electricity you’re using now and how long it will take the proposed solar system to break even.

    #722783

    DP
    Member

    Wednesday, May 4, 2011

    My new system is finally* on line and boy, was it ever a good day to be on solar. I’ve been watching my power meter run backwards today, for the first time in its long life. Ha! You should have seen me, switching appliances on and off and running outside to see what the meter was doing.

    You know, it’s funny. I’ve always thought of myself as an underachiever, never thought I’d be able to contribute a single watt to humanity. But look at me now. I’m not just making watts, I’m making KILOWATTS!!

    Eighteen kilowatt hours so far today, as a matter of fact.

    You know, my high school civics teacher, Mrs. Daubenburger, would have been so surprised to see how things turned out for me. Looks like you were wrong, doesn’t it Mrs. D? I’m not a total drain on society after all!

     

     

    Photos and more attention-seeking behavior to come . . .

    —DP

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    *There was a snag in the permitting process with Department of Planning and Development (DPD). I have a special electrical service panel that allows me to lock myself out from the grid and power my house from a portable back-up generator. Because of this, Eric’s crew had to hook my solar system into the “line side” of my service connection (i.e., before the juice gets to my house) and this is something DPD hasn’t seen in practice before, even though it’s allowed in special circumstances like mine.

    #722784

    librarian
    Member

    DP Congratulations!

    #722785

    ToolShare
    Member

    Congrats, DP! And thanks for the posts. You are indeed a model citizen (at least when it comes to energy use). Would love to see more posts as the summer sun starts shining!

    As so many others have done on this thread, I’d also endorse Eric Thomas and Solar Epiphany. Eric is an incredibly knowledgeable and nice guy who gets things done with a lot of passion for his work. Those characteristics are really what ya should look for in every contractor.

    Eric has also been a really active West Seattle volunteer, sharing his solar knowledge at a number of Ask an Expert events at The West Seattle Tool Library on a pro bono basis. We’ve really appreciated his involvement and have found that the community has a pretty endless supply of solar questions these days. He’s been a great help in answering all of those questions. (Plus he brings coffee from Red Cup.)

    If you’d like to meet the guy, I believe he’ll be at the Tool Library’s next Ask an Expert on May 14th (Community Garage Sale Day!!) and also at the SCALLOPS booth during Green Fest on May 21st. I think he also gives solar classes every Tuesday night at his shop. Aside from the ticket to get into Green Fest, ALL of the above are FREE, which is also very, very cool.

    Thanks for bringing this up, DP.

    #722786

    DP
    Member

    DP’s Solar Install Slide Show

    Photo 1: “Hi. My name’s Kyle, and I’ll be your solar installer for today. Would like some ground pepper on that?”

     

    Photo 2: Fall protection anchors. Also known as “strangulation assistance devices.”

     

    Photo 3: Quickmount flashing. For supporting the solar panel racks. This doohickey has an 8″ square (?) flange that slides partly under the shingles and is anchored securely by a bolt that’s screwed in from the attic side of the roof.

     

    Photo 4: Unirac grid with microinverters. Lengths of unirac are attached to the quickmount flashing and then wired up to the microinverters and grounded. With my system, each panel has it’s own microinverter that converts the DC electric current produced by the panel into AC current that can be fed into the house and/or out to the grid. Some systems have a single large inverter that’s installed at ground level.

    The inverter is the brains of any photovoltaic operation, and with modern systems the inverters are brainier than ever. Each microinverter has a memory chip that keeps track of all the power produced by its panel. The microinverter sends this data to my home computer (and from there to the inverter company) through a device that plugs into a wall socket and connects with my cable modem via an ethernet jack. With this system and accompanying software, I can get detailed power production reports updated as often as every fifteen minutes. (See Robert2715’s post above.) If any individual panel is not performing as expected, I’ll get an auto-generated e-mail notice from the microinverter company.

    Pretty slick.

    Not free, but pretty cheap as an add-on feature.

     

    Photo 5: Panel installation.

     

    Photo 6: More panel installation. (There were 13 in all.)

     

    Photo 7: Some kind of junction box doohickey. From here the power goes into my attic and emerges by the City Light power meter.

     

    Photo 8: My electrical service panel showing cable taps for solar power feed. The dealiebobbers near the top are where the solar system “splices” into the main cable. Once again, this is a “load side” connection, which means that solar power comes into my house on the same wire as the juice from City Light. At the bottom is a “manual interlock” switch that I have to throw if I want to use my manual backup generator to power the house. (That interlock switch is why I had to do a line-side connection. It was at the root of all the fuss with DPD.)

    Note: I bought the generator to protect myself from power outages, and so far it’s worked perfectly. Since I bought it, no power outages have occurred.

     

    The solar install took about two and a half days, with very little inconvenience to me. The power was off for less than an hour while they pulled the meter and connected the clamps. Very tidy and professional-looking work. Thanks, guys!

    —David

    #722787

    dp__

    Thanks for blogging about your experience with Solar Epiphany (us). Now you can sit back and enjoy the benefits of installing solar panels on your home:

    1. Watch your system appreciate in value as utility rates go up.

    2. Watch the value and appeal of your home go up.

    3. Watch your utility bill go down (by…30% wasn’t it?)

    4. Watch your taxes go down when you use your solar tax credit.

    5. Watch your mailbox for the next 9 years for the Annual Incentive Payment from Seattle City Light.

    And know that your hard earned money isn’t sitting in a bank somewhere doing nothing positive. Your investment is on your roof doing something meaningful. Its harnessing the sun to power your daily life! Way to go. I’m not just saying that because you did business with us, I’m saying that because I relate to the move you made. Bold and unquestionable…

    Take Care dp…Call me personally anytime

    Eric

    Epiphaneer

    #722788

    PS: Robert…dp’s production meter is already installed one week after inspection. City Light has recently initiated a new process for production meter installation, maybe your guys don’t know about it yet.

    PSS: who is concernedhedonist!?!? I can’t think of many people that have known me ten years and know I can rhyme…. Hm….? I’m stumped.

    #722789

    What a quagmire we wired our tired homes to the umbilical,

    a one-way stream, cash made utility fullfilling the need,

    middle men made energy, planted the power lines and poles,

    the growth? exponential. The revenue? untold.

    in megawatt-hour homes

    powered by burning coals,

    initiatin’ the mission statement at the foot of my rhyme..

    We Realize That a Clean Stable Future Is Possible in Our Time

    Had to do it!

    Eric

    #722790

    JayDee
    Participant

    DP, et. al:

    I heard an ad on KUOW (7/7/11) about a “Seattle Solar” program. I tried to search KUOW or Google for it and found no further reference. But perhaps the hive mind of West Seattle might have a link. It sounded like they were looking for members who have solar experiences in West Seattle (an oxymoron, but perhaps you’ll prove us wrong.) who could help rally support. My one cent.

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