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March 13, 2013 at 2:34 am #606768
velveteenaParticipantNow that Alki Tavern will soon be gone, I am thinking about Chuck and Sally’s. I can’t imagine when that joint was last open for business, but what an eyesore on California! Does anyone know why it’s still empty? Now granted, it’s not Alki, no view and very little parking, but it is on the bus route……Perhaps it’s too pricey for anyone to take on, but I feel that it might very soon just FALL down.
March 13, 2013 at 3:48 am #785840
sunshineParticipantAs I understand it, the current property owner will only rent it for a percentage of the take.
March 13, 2013 at 4:00 am #785841
kgdlgParticipantMy guess: building is a dump, owners want too much for it, no one willing to spend that much money to ready it for a bar or restaurant when they don’t own the space. The owner should really invest in fixing it up so it can be rented at a reasonable rate.
March 13, 2013 at 5:08 am #785842
JanSParticipantgood luck with that. I think the owner is holding out for the most money for the property. Wonder if there’s some way we could band together and get it condemned.
March 13, 2013 at 6:16 am #785843
velveteenaParticipantYou WOULD sort of expect the city to step in and do something about an abandoned property, even if it isn’t technically abandoned. It’s not in quite the same category as the gigantic empty holes that blot Seattle’s landscape, inasmuch as it could fairly easily be made more presentable.
March 13, 2013 at 6:20 am #785844
WSBKeymasterFlagged to a few posts which I hope were intended humorously but could have been construed as condoning a potential crime. Please don’t go there. Meantime, we revisit this site every year or two. Last person to write about it was former Weekly editor Mike Seely a little over two years ago:
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/voracious/2010/12/what_happened_to_chuck_and_sallys_tavern.php
The land market in Morgan Junction has picked up and that corner must be continuing to pick up value.
March 13, 2013 at 6:22 am #785845
WSBKeymasterP.S. to Velv’s point, no, the city does not step in, except with violations if warranted. Last one on the docket was a complaint more than a year ago, and it wasn’t even found to be in violation.
March 20, 2013 at 11:42 pm #785846
WSratsinacageMemberMaybe the owner of the Charlestown Street Cafe building is holding out too?
Seems odd that a building can sit vacant for years and it’s ok as far as the DPD is concerned.
Classin’ up the place.
March 21, 2013 at 1:04 am #785847
waterworldParticipantIt’s not a violation of any law for an owner to leave his or her building vacant for as long as the owner wants. There are a few requirements imposed on the owner related to keeping people out and preventing certain kinds of hazards. DPD has a decent summary document here:
http://www.seattle.gov/DPD/Publications/CAM/cam605.pdf
Also, the Seattle Municipal Code was amended sometime in the last couple years to compile most of the applicable ordinance provisions in one place. You can find those at SMC 22.206.200, “Minimum standards for vacant buildings.”
I have no idea whether the Chuck & Sally’s building or the Charlestown building are in violation of any of the Code provisions. Just wanted to point out where they are.
March 21, 2013 at 1:34 am #785848
velveteenaParticipantOne of our recent mayors (Greg?) was trying to clean up our various messes, e.g. junk cars, overgrown yards, yucky-looking boarded up bldgs, etc. Guess he didn’t get very far in our libertarian environment. (snark) Nonetheless, I think crummy-looking neighborhoods are contagious, AND they lower land values. I would prefer to look at a plain sheet of plywood with a nicely painted mural than at a junky vacant building.
March 21, 2013 at 9:38 pm #785849
bsmommaParticipantFrom my understanding, I know 2 people who looked in to purchasing it, it is a complete loss as far as structure. But you have to buy the structure just to tear it down and re build. Apparently not worth the hassle or price.
March 21, 2013 at 9:59 pm #785850
WSratsinacageMemberVelveteena, I feel the same way.
I remember something about Greg Nickels proposal too, it was called Clean Up Your Act.
http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/news/20070329b.asp
I guess this 2007 Act was just related to houses but I’d like to see some legislation to hold (absentee) landlords/owners of vacant business accountable. I care about my community and feel it is reasonable to not want abandonded businesses/buildings just sitting around collecting trash, weeds, cars, and graffiti (or worse) like Chuck’s and The Charlestown ST Cafe. It may not currently be against the law but what sense does the current situation make unless people don’t care about what their neighborhood looks like.
March 22, 2013 at 2:14 am #785851
dhgParticipantEmpty storefronts should be taxed into oblivion. If you make it too expensive to leave empty, they will find a tenant or sell it to someone who wants to use it.
March 22, 2013 at 2:59 am #785852
JimmyGMemberPretty laughable that Greg Nickels name would be mentioned in the same sentence as trying to clean up vacant property seeing as he and a brother own one of the worst vacant buildings in White Center.
Ever driven by the abandoned/graffiti covered/vandalized former Peruvian restaurant (El Chalan) at 11060 16th SW?
Owned by the Nickels brothers and left to be a major eyesore.
March 22, 2013 at 3:11 am #785853
inactiveMemberJimmyG, can you point to online ownership with their name on it, by any chance? Cuz, DANG. If that is true……I think, *that* is a story.
If not true…the owner(s) are a disappointment, regardless.
EDITED: Just looked it up. A Tom and Mark Nickels are list on LLC registration – no Greg listed on what I saw. Like I said, what disappointment they bring to White Center…what’s *their* story???
Edit #2: And TR already picked this up last month on WCN – here’s her report: http://whitecenternow.com/2013/02/08/from-cannabis-to-crimefighting-north-highline-unincorporated-area-councils-public-safety-forum/
How can some people live with themselves? Or better yet, how does a person who grew up in White Center to become the mayor of this city and then *NOT* INTERVENE on behalf of that community who grew him and which he said he wanted to become part of Seattle?
Maybe the ugly neglected buildings are metaphors for what lies within these nuisance property owners….
March 22, 2013 at 3:58 am #785854
miwsParticipantAccording to this 6 year old WSB Article, the site is owned by the former Mayor’s two brothers:
Parcel Viewer shows it still being in the Nickels family:
http://info.kingcounty.gov/Assessor/eRealProperty/Detail.aspx?ParcelNbr=3451000475
Mike
March 22, 2013 at 4:02 am #785855
inactiveMemberYup, Mike – see my edits. Such a pisser.
March 22, 2013 at 5:31 am #785856
JanSParticipantthere is no excuse. Makes one think that the owners of these places are hoping prices will go up, so they can command the most money. In the meantime, their homes, and neighborhoods don’t have crap like that. Chuck and Sally’s owner? A real estate man who lives in North Admiral…go figure. The mayor’s brothers? They’re in construction…see the (somewhat controversial at the time) buildings across from Univ. Unitarian Church. Go figure…
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