Lora, thank you for trying to handle this in a compassionate way. It makes me feel good about shopping in the Junction. And if her carts are still there and I don’t see her, I’ll just hope that she’s OK.
Been here (Admiral) for 20+ years & have heard the trains all along. Remember the reason for the horns; to de-conflict autos, trains, cyclists & pedestrians. From my “vantage point”, I kind’a like it, but I understand if it is a nuisance to you. If there were accidents involving trains & cars, I’m sure there would be an uproar about it too. City livin’…
EdSane..
the thing of it is that those who have adverse reactions to continuous fireworks are not a very small minority. If you read the posts here over the years you will find that there are lot of us who suffer every fireworks season..
How much do you think i should have to shell out so that someone else can set off illegal fireworks? Because that is what happens.. Will those who set off the fireworks pay for our vet bills or our ER visits for the kind of medications your doctor doesn’t hand out? Are you willing to pony up for more than the fireworks but for the loss of work and medical bills and vet bills they generate?
i am guessing not. but someone has to you know…
Sorry if I sounded rude, but there’s little point in complaining about train horns in West Seattle. First of all, the noise isn’t that loud where most people live, even if the sound does carry. The only train tracks are on the eastern edge of the peninsula. And secondly, there are many, many crossings along West Marginal Way where they are required to sound their horns. That’s not going to change, no matter how much people complain about it.
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Geez KBear did you wake up on the wrong-side of the bed this morning? What’s bad to one person may not be to another but there is no need to scold for it.
The acoustics seem to change and this morning, I didn’t hear trains but what sounded like a fog horn from the ferry, as it was misty. I hear foghorns quite frequently and trains occasionally. I love the sounds of both.
Yes, I think it’s perfectly fine. I don’t believe an out right ban is necessary because a very small minority of people have adverse reactions to fireworks. Allowing it only on specific days during specific hours is a reasonable accommodation.
Im fine with law enforcement attempting to enforce outside of actual holidays however when you institute total bans that the majority don’t follow what results is a police force that is not inclined to enforce any part of it ever.
I am confused about why I am hearing so many train horns. All day long, at Alki, Admiral District, the Junction, over on 35th… I’ve lived in West Seattle a long time and don’t remember its ever being so bad. I thought the train operations on Harbor Island are cut way back due to diminished Port operations but I am hearing them far more often than ever. Could I be hearing trains from downtown? If anybody could shed any light on this, I’d be grateful.
I’ve read all the comments and my stance has not changed. I wish we could put this to a referendum to the people as I believe the majority of citizens are with me on supporting the use of fireworks on specific holidays during set times.
The ban is pointless as police are not going to go around and penalize thousands of people every holiday.
Sorry to report, Newnative, but the Junction is quite loud with fireworks these days. Especially on holidays and game days, but also on the days between.
FWIW, in the article that WSB published earlier this evening covering last night’s meeting of the Southwest District Council, it was mentioned that Gunner Scott of HPAC brought up the subject of the “Seahawks Cannon” to CM Herbold, so now we officially know that she is aware of the situation:
HPAC’s Scott told Herbold that Highland Park has its own problems with noise – particularly the “Seahawks cannon” and other fireworks issues. Herbold said she has an “ongoing project with the SPD around fireworks” and has been trying to get information about how much enforcement they do, or don’t do. “They’re basically not enforcing it” is what she’s found so far. Even if they don’t enforce, she said, maybe there could be an effort to confiscate illegal fireworks and get people out of the habit.
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newnative…
i can see where even limited fireworks could be a real problem.. especially the booming kind… and where you live you must get a fair amount of that coming up the hill…especially if you are on that side of the building.. but relatively speaking it is quiet in the Admiral district in contrast with the Westwood district or those surrounding.
my pup can handle random and loud. he can’t handle continuous for hours at a time.. or every night for weeks at a time. i think it is worse here because it is generally a quiet neighborhood…
but it’s all relative.. isn’t it.
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I live on top of Bartell Drugs and have worked/lived here for 7 years. It’s a lot noisier here than my first apartments close to the Alaska Junction on California. I would move if I could afford to, it’s the noisiest place I have ever lived in. I don’t know if it’s noisier in White Center or Burien because I don’t travel that way on holidays or during games. I just know that fireworks are loud, startling and illegal. Fireworks during and after the games may not be frequent but that makes them all the more random sounding, ie. you can’t prepare for them.
newnative…I will stand by what I said, which was “it’s a relatively quiet neighborhood most of the time” – notice, I was speaking generally. We may be in different parts of the Admiral District. I did not make myself clear. On other game days, even with wins, there are little to no fireworks celebrating TDs where I am at. YMMV..I have no idea where you live. And, yes, I was not here on NY Eve, but I have been for just about every NYE the previous 10-12 years, at least, and it’s relatively quiet where I am at. Relatively being the magic word. Again, I have no idea what part of Admiral you live in. I also don’t have a pet in my home that I have to deal with if there are fireworks. That makes a difference. I am also a night owl, so if, as on the 4th of July, things happen, it startles me, but I’m just dealing with myself, not an animal. Yes, I sympathize with those like JoB, who have a dog who can’t handle them. I never said I didn’t. And I agree with everyone speaking to Ed Sane…fireworks are illegal, period. There are no special people who are above the law. You enjoy watching those that neighbors set off, Ed? Maybe y’all should just go watch the fireworks at the Space Needle. You can make as many excuses as you want for your neighbors and yourself, but they are still illegal, breaking the law. I hope that clarifies things, Newnative.
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Our dogs were terrified, and the fireworks started early afternoon and continued until 3am. You cannot safely tranquilizer dogs for that long. Even worse, though, my husband is a combat veteran with PTSD. EdSane, would you suggest that he should also be tranquillized so that you and others can light off fireworks (illegally)? I am curious, are you a combat Veteran? Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan? Desert Storm? Somalia? Panama? Vietnam? Korea? WWII? Is a loved one in your immediate family a combat veteran with PTSD? Do you know how long after a loud boom a combat veteran with PTSD remains agitated and maybe even having flashbacks? Trust me, it is not just 5 minutes. Try potentially hours to even days. Are you willing to personally pay for a hotel room in that magical place where there will be no fireworks? These are not rhetorical questions, I am genuinely curious. I hope you answer them.
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EdSane..
if i dope my dog just short of overdose he can handle about an hour of fireworks… this New Year’s Eve .. with the game they started about 1 and ended about 3 AM. the only way to give my dog enough drugs to handle that is to overdose them. and yes.. you can overdose your dog on those treats you are giving them and it isn’t pretty. my vet tells me it’s a real problem lately.
on the fourth of july the fireworks start about 2 to three weeks before depending on the weather and continue in my neighborhood for 2 to 3 weeks after.. depending on how large a supply the person who sets off their 3 a night until they are finally gone buys.
this year i kenneled my dog for 10 days.. and he was traumatized by fireworks the night he came home… in the past when i had a dog that was even more traumatized i would leave Seattle for nearly a month… and still had to deal with fireworks when i got home.
there isn’t really any place you can escape them.. i have tried the outskirts of national parks, the beach, the mountains in fire season and out in the middle of the desert. they are everywhere.
in fact.. from the west end of the park at the community center her in the Westwood area you can watch a pretty impressive fireworks display on either the 4th or New Year’s eve… scanning the entire horizon.
but the worst .. the worst is the “boom”… or what has been called the cannon. Some “really smart person” sets them off in our neighborhood at every opportunity…
And it doesn’t just traumatize dogs and cats.. it traumatizes people too… even those who don’t suffer from noise sensitivities and migraines… especially young children, the elderly and vets with PTSD. I can tell you from personal experience.. there aren’t enough drugs for that.
I get that fireworks are fun to watch… but just think.. we could have fireworks displays to rival those in japan if those who spent their dollars at the fireworks stands donated to local displays instead.. better fireworks with less fire danger and limited duration.
that could be a win win for us all
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Sorry, Ed, but I stand by my characterization of people who set off illegal fireworks. They’re idiots. The harm they cause is real, as is the potential for even greater harm.
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