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  • #905542

    EdSane
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    Yes, I think it’s perfectly fine. I don’t believe an out right ban is necessary because a very small minority of people have adverse reactions to fireworks. Allowing it only on specific days during specific hours is a reasonable accommodation.

    Im fine with law enforcement attempting to enforce outside of actual holidays however when you institute total bans that the majority don’t follow what results is a police force that is not inclined to enforce any part of it ever.

    #905591

    JoB
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    EdSane..
    the thing of it is that those who have adverse reactions to continuous fireworks are not a very small minority. If you read the posts here over the years you will find that there are lot of us who suffer every fireworks season..

    How much do you think i should have to shell out so that someone else can set off illegal fireworks? Because that is what happens.. Will those who set off the fireworks pay for our vet bills or our ER visits for the kind of medications your doctor doesn’t hand out? Are you willing to pony up for more than the fireworks but for the loss of work and medical bills and vet bills they generate?

    i am guessing not. but someone has to you know…

    #905656

    JoB
    Participant

    the trouble with fireworks that sound like shots is that sometimes they are :(

    #905724

    J242
    Participant

    Ed, what does it take for you to understand that your personal fun with making things go boom does indeed effect others and the majority are telling you? Why does your desire outweigh the combined rights of your neighbors? Seems very selfish and short-sighted to me.

    If you want to set off fireworks, drive 15 minutes south where it’s legal and “have a blast”. Here in our neighborhoods and city, it’s not legal, a large amount of the population is made up of vets, kids and people with pets who cringe at the random explosions. Again, it is NOT LEGAL in city limits! Why is it okay to expect everyone around you to tolerate your offensive actions but it’s too much to ask you to just go somewhere else to do it? Sheesh.

    #905727

    JanS
    Participant

    so, then, EdSane…you’re also agreeable to other illegal things going on in your neighborhood? Is that what I’m hearing? You know…dogs pooping in your yard, people using your garbage. Loitering in your front yard getting drunk, graffiti on your fence or house, going 50 mph down your street, car booming music at decibel levels not tolerable, maybe a muffler that’s waaayyy too loud for your ears, cars racing at 1am on a weekday, etc…..the list goes on and on. Good to know, because it’s not particularly tolerated in my neighborhood, but I may just tresspass your neighborhood, because those things are fun to me…

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by  JanS.
    #905768

    EdSane
    Participant

    Feel free to trespass in my neighborhood Jan. Please do it during the day. Apparently someone was shot in the leg four blocks from my house recently. That is something I want the police investigating… I am also fine with people walking by utilizing my garbage can (I posted this in the last dog poop thread). In fact I often walk my block and pick up the litter others leave behind.

    And for the last time. I did not dispense any fireworks at all this year or last within the city of seattle. I live a 10 minute walk to a place where it is legal. I am however advocating that it should be legal in the city limits of Seattle. And my opinion has not changed because of a vocal minority on a forum.

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by  EdSane.
    #905844

    JoB
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    EdSane
    so.. you are ok if i come over to your house and blast my stereo at full volume at midnight?
    i know . it’s illegal.. but that shouldn’t bother you?
    How about if a bunch of us bring our leaf blowers over and clean up the block at midnight on a work night? Would that work for you?
    Better yet.. how about we find out when you have a cold or the flu and bring over both leaf blowers and the 1812 overture… turned loud enough to be heard over the blowers?

    i am guessing even if you thought earplugs were an adequate response your neighbors wouldn’t be so happy with you…

    and i am betting someone would call the cops…
    and for that.. they’d come.

    What is happening with the fireworks is far more disruptive to our lives because it isn’t limited to one night.. and it is seldom over at midnight.. and if you live near where the guy got shot in the leg.. you know that.

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by  JoB.
    #905870

    EdSane
    Participant

    Lol. JoB a more comparable analogy would be if you were my neighbor would I take issue if you were to throw a loud party once in awhile that impacted my sleep. I’ve had those neighbors and no I wouldn’t have a problem with it. One night of bad sleep every once in awhile is perfectly fine and I’m not going to ruin an evening for a dozen people over that if it is rare.

    To be clear what you and other individuals keep trying to state that intentionally disturbing someone with actual malice and/or dangerous activities is somehow the same as fireworks on holidays. It isn’t.

    I’m all for going after people who light them off at other times of the year or even potentially during football season but when all you advocate for is a total prohibition then don’t be surprised that it’s another law that would never be enforced. Cops are not going to go around and start fining thousands of people on holidays.

    #905894

    KBear
    Participant

    So dangerous and annoying illegal behavior is OK as long as it’s totally out of control and the police ignore it?

    #905896

    newnative
    Participant

    EdSane, we’re not talking about a once in a while “party” that may keep you up at night. We’re talking about indiscriminate explosive sounds and quaking, with the real risks of fire, ricochets and explosions. Less like a party and more like a sudden fight or brawl with breaking furniture or kicked in windows.

    #905971

    JoB
    Participant

    EdSane..
    this is not one “loud party” one night… and you live in our neighborhood… know better.

    this is a “loud party” every time the Seahawks play.. at every conceivable holiday… and for literally about a month during the fourth of july season.

    it is less like the occasional loud party and more like one of your neighbors decided to become “THE” RAVE house… i love new native’s description “a sudden fight or brawl outside your windows” … and nothing you can do about it because even if it’s illegal.. nobody is going to show up to even ask them to stop…

    and it is every bit as intentional as me showing up to play the 1812 overture in front of your house… your comments and those of others make it perfectly clear that you are well aware that this is disturbing your neighbors and you advocate it anyway.

    too bad.. not sad :( my fun is more important than your health and safety…

    because that is what we are talking about.. the reasoning behind the ban in the first place.. health and safety.

    #905984

    NorthbyNorthWest
    Participant

    EdSane, don’t let the comments of the vocal minority here get you down. Your responses have been reasoned, measured and respectful. Regardless of the fact that no one responding to you here will actually fully read what you are saying, you have given alternatives and attempted to find common ground. It is unfortunate when people want to make everything either purely right or wrong, when the reality is that most of life is firmly in the gray. Unfortunately this is all too common in society today, no more so then in the political sphere (and I say that on both ends of the political spectrum). I was hesitant to respond on this thread, as honestly you could just paste the same comments, from the same participants, on the same thread every year. I have no dog in this hunt, but I truly think that we have better things we could be doing with our time then venting on this issue. People light off fireworks on New Year’s and the 4th of July, I highly doubt that will change.

    #906003

    Wes C. Addle
    Participant

    I agree with NBNW. Life is all about the gray area. It’s something that will never be solved and given all of the problems we have in the city, that is quite far down the list. Not to say it doesn’t affect people, but life can’t be comfortable for everyone all the time.

    #906004

    anonyme
    Participant

    What is the “common ground” solution to other illegal activities, such as drug trafficking, assault, vandalism, burglary? Laws are not suggestions, to be obeyed or not depending on some crackpot libertarian attitude, or – more likely – adolescents in adult bodies who just want to blow sh!t up. This argument has no more credibility than the evidence-free assertion that those who object to having their neighborhoods transformed into mini-war zones are in the “vocal minority”.

    Grow up.

    #906019

    NorthbyNorthWest
    Participant

    anonyme – Definition of hyperbolic

    : of, relating to, or marked by language that exaggerates or overstates the truth : of, relating to, or marked by hyperbole – hyperbolic claims

    -Merriam-Webster

    #906025

    KBear
    Participant

    EdSane and his ilk are anything but “respectful”. “Respecting” those who flout the law, who willfully disrupt the peace and endanger themselves and their neighbors is not a trait to be admired. Fireworks are illegal for good reasons. Those of us who wish that the law would be enforced are not the problem here.

    #906070

    EdSane
    Participant

    Thank you NBNW and Wes C. Addle for actively adding to the conversation.

    My intent was to advocate and actually bring forth a viewpoint not being expressed and I feel that I have accomplished that. I’m not interested in further participating in this thread as it has devolved beyond a conversation.

    #906087

    JoB
    Participant

    NBNW.. i notice you mention dogs who are affected by the noise but totally neglect people… anyone with an anxiety disorder, migraines, PTSD, living with chronic illness that affects sleep, recovering from major illness or surgery.. etc….
    How is that respectful?

    #906096

    NorthbyNorthWest
    Participant

    JoB, thank you for illustrating my point when I said “no one responding to you here will actually fully read what you are saying”. I in fact made no mention of any position on the subject, neither towards humans or dogs, pro or against fireworks. What I said is “I have no dog in this hunt”, which is an expression meaning that I really don’t have a position one way or the other. My point, which you effectively made, is that it is unfortunate that some people in this thread are just talking past each other rather than actually trying to find common ground. I think it unfortunately is all too pervasive in our society today, with no better example of it being on internet comment sections like these.

    #906132

    JoB
    Participant

    NorthbyNorthWest

    you still neglect that this issue is one that has serious impact on humans who are negatively affected by the continuous fireworks…

    and i beg to differ.. your position that pointing out the impact fireworks which were once confined to a few isolated nights a year but have become a common nuisance has on both humans and animals is a waste of time and effort is a position… as was your labeling of anonyme’s post as hyperbole

    the position that we should find common ground on violating existing laws is insidious…

    which laws are ok to break.. just a little.. or a little more.. when does it become too much?

    Does someone have to die to re-establish the health and safety reasons that caused the law to be enacted in the first place. if so.. how many people have to die? And do we have to prove their death is directly related to violation of the law or can we label them accidents with extenuating circumstances and therefore ignore them?

    good questions that nobody seems to be addressing… and that won’t get addressed at all legislatively until there is enough public conversation to generate political consensus.

    thus.. we bring this up again and again as what was once an occasional nuisance has become far less occasional and is no longer isolated to one or two local displays … or to time periods that are respectful in any way of local noise ordinances.

    Exploding fireworks have become impossible to plan for and impossible to avoid ….
    and that’s not just no fun.. but hazardous to our health.

    #906147

    JoB
    Participant

    BTW.. PTSD is not just confined to soldiers who have been in wars… PTSD can occur in anyone who is traumatized and the effects.. even if mananaged.. don’t just go away.
    Look up some of the research on PTSD and children’s brains. it’s sobering.

    #908136

    HMC Rich
    Participant

    OK. The answer is simple. When the Seahawks win or it is the 4th of July, New Years. start shooting fireworks off next to (not at) the Police Precincts, City Council Member houses, King County Members homes, The Mayor, Prosecuting Attorneys and a few others in government who need to HEAR you.

    #908137

    HMC Rich
    Participant

    Yes, my adoptive son has PTSD. You are so correct JoB.

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by  HMC Rich.
    #908256

    22blades
    Participant

    I agree with JoB. My mother used to recall being on the receiving end of fire bombing raids. There are also health implications to disruptive sounds. When these disruption go beyond reasonable times & lengths, I think it becomes a public issue. I do shift work, but I don’t expect the world to stop the 4th of July. I do expect reasonable behavior to respect people & animals on a different “schedule”. There are laws governing noise at construction sites for a reason. We are entitled to a modicum of quiet enjoyment in our own homes. I also think it’s reasonable to expect people to abide by the fireworks laws. Setting off sticks of dynamite is not “Innocent Fun”

    #921415

    Graciano
    Participant

    I’m not bothered by them, I turned on some Black Sabbath for my cat and he’s sound asleep.
    Cat also likes Motley Crew and Metallica.

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