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February 3, 2008 at 7:12 am #614616
In reply to: Political Gum.
JoBParticipantNewResident,
Nobody can forget the two planes plowing into the twin towers. believe me. no one.
And the 911 commission did not blame that attack on Bill Clinton’s negligence. They did state that there was a possible opportunity during the “lame duck” period of his presidency when he was busy defending himself against charges stemming from a sexual incident with an intern… that he did not give the order to pursue… but they also noted that there was plenty of US intelligence that was overlooked after President Bush took over the presidency that could have prevented 911 if it had been believed.
After 911, President Bush chose to use US resources to invade Iraq, where there were no terrorists, instead of aggressively pursuing the actual terrorists. This did succeed in bringing terrorism to Iraq and expanding the terrorist movement, but doesn’t seem to have done much about AlQuaida… the people who arranged those fateful planes.
There is plenty of blame to go around for this one.
As for Bill Clinton keeping his pants buttoned.. we all wish he had. Like i said on this site already, Hillary ought to have gotten him a puppy sooner.
But i haven’t heard the public outcry from Republicans over Gulliano’s treatment of his wife… or should i say, ex-wife… or the other Republican incidents within the past couple of decades. So upset about cheating seems to have been restricted to Bill Clinton.
One could argue that spending public resources hounding a man to the point where he lied about sexual contact… all for political gain.. actually contributed to 911 because he thought he wouldn’t have the backing of the congress to launch a strike.
I don’t assume that anyone i enter into conversation with is stupid. I certainly don’t assume you are. And i think that it adds to the conversation when all viewpoints are present.
But the trouble is that a lot of discourse is simply inflammatory… and that is not conversation.
My personal issue with Ann Coulter and with FOX news is that they are inflammatory and are often less than candid about the content of their remarks. Lest you think i am beating around the bush… that means i believe they don’t exactly bother making sure what they say is true and they present programs like Hammity and colmes as though they were actually presenting two sides of an issue.
Unfortunately, it isn’t just my belief. Fox news was sued over the truth of the content of one of their news programs and the party suing lost the suit. it seems there is no place within US law that states that a news must be true. It’s just an industry standard that news should be true and there is noone holding the industry to that standard.
Just like the claim that FOX news is America’s most listened to news source. It isn’t. It is only America’s most popular cable news source.. but that gets lost in the telling, doesn’t it.
Now, i believe you are an intelligent persona and that you will check to see whether what i just told you is true.
You can choose to do with that information whatever you think is best.
I can inform, but i can’t form your opinion for you any more than you can form mine.
That doesn’t mean that both of us don’t have intelligent and worthwhile things to say.
February 3, 2008 at 6:44 am #614732In reply to: 50/60 someting looking for play group
JoBParticipantBernicki,
i am going to try to be at C&P tomorrow at 4.
and i am interested in meeting people of all ages… so please tell your mother in law i would love to meet her.
February 3, 2008 at 6:43 am #614615In reply to: Political Gum.
AnonymousInactiveWow. Everyone is sooo defensive!! Thanks for assuming that I’m not intelligent enough to debate an therefore am just falling back on the Clinton scandal. The fact that OUR President will look America in the eye and LIE disturbs me. I love when liberals say that a blow job never hurt anybody!! Does anybody have any morals anymore?!! Ken, you even went so far as to share a quote that alludes to the fact that you would have lied in the same situation! Your wife, if you have one, must be so proud. The man was disbarred!! And, you know what, all you bleeding hearts,war is Hell! Nobody likes it, nobody wants it. Sometimes it’s necessary. Does ANYBODY remember 2 jet airplanes crashing into and destroying the twin towers? Not to mention the other devastation that occurred that day? Clean up Bush’s mess? If anyone read the 9/11 Commission Report, they would know that the only reason our Country is in this mess is because of the negligence of former President Clinton! Sorry, I thought maybe there were other Republicans out there. Guess I was wrong. I didn’t see the “Liberals Only” sign when I signed up. Closing this subject…. I’m not going to be ganged up on by a bunch of liberals! Just a tidbit of info… Every great Country throughout history has been destroyed from within.
February 3, 2008 at 6:36 am #614514In reply to: resources for challenging dogs
JoBParticipantKen,
thanks for the empathy and for linking to wikipedia on the shibas. i didn’t think to do that.
I don’t think i have ever had a dog that wasn’t rescue… one way or another. And of these two, only one was from an actual rescue organization. the other came to us from an internet posting by the local pound which would only take him to put him down.
His progress is amazing. And i am going to let a stranger into my house tomorrow without muzzling my dog. That’s amazing. We will see.
February 3, 2008 at 6:31 am #614513In reply to: resources for challenging dogs
JoBParticipantRobindianne,
i think my husband and i met you one night down in the junction with your two four legged friends.
we have someone coming by tomorrow who is involved with rescue shibas and runs the shiba meet-up site.
I will let you know if she has any words of wisdom. I sure hope so:)
February 3, 2008 at 6:25 am #614770In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
JoBParticipanthouse, i should have read first…
do you realize there was only a 19 point difference in your score between Romney and Gore?
Have you been harboring liberal thoughts on us;-)
February 3, 2008 at 6:23 am #614769In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
JoBParticipantHouse,
you do realize that colbert was a joke, don’t you?
February 3, 2008 at 6:21 am #614768In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
TheHouseMemberSilly little quiz….told me what I already knew. I always loved the Daily Show!
1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Stephen Colbert (campaign halted) (67%) Information link
3. Mitt Romney (66%) Information link
4. Tom Tancredo (withdrawn, endorsed Romney) (63%) Information link
5. Rudolph Giuliani (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (63%) Information link
6. Duncan Hunter (withdrawn) (61%) Information link
7. John McCain (61%) Information link
8. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (57%) Information link
9. Chuck Hagel (not running) (56%) Information link
10. Fred Thompson (withdrawn) (53%) Information link
11. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (53%) Information link
12. Alan Keyes (52%) Information link
13. Ron Paul (51%) Information link
14. Wayne Allyn Root (50%) Information link
15. Al Gore (not announced) (47%) Information link
16. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (43%) Information link
17. Mike Huckabee (43%) Information link
18. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (43%) Information link
19. Hillary Clinton (42%) Information link
20. John Edwards (withdrawn) (42%) Information link
21. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (40%) Information link
22. Bill Richardson (withdrawn) (37%) Information link
23. Barack Obama (37%) Information link
24. Christopher Dodd (withdrawn) (36%) Information link
25. Joseph Biden (withdrawn) (35%) Information link
26. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (34%) Information link
27. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (34%) Information link
28. Mike Gravel (33%) Information link
29. Dennis Kucinich (withdrawn) (30%) Information link
30. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (26%) Information link
31. Elaine Brown (19%) Information link
February 3, 2008 at 6:15 am #614614In reply to: Political Gum.
JoBParticipantLOL.. what did i do?
I have to say that House really said it all on this one:
“As for good ol’ Ann, I think it’s safe to say that she’s got a sense of humor. Hillary is already getting beat by Obama in the Primaries. Anns endorsement for Hillary is the kiss of death for both Clinton and McCain. The Republicans know that Obama is the easier candidate to beat and that Romney is the GOPs favorite right now. Ann knows what she’s doing.”
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. IT WAS ALL A SHOW!!!! A put up job. A campaign tactic.
And yet, she seemed so believable. She was soooo serious when she said she wasn’t kidding.
So house, thanks for pointing out that their “news” program (Hammity and Colmes) was really either an outright lie or some sort of joke… entertainment really.
Wish you’d tell my brother. He thinks that program is real republican/democratic debate.
That is what is called a blatant lie which passed for news commentary on the FOX channel.
Or.. maybe a joke?
I hope you’re right and that woman really does have a sense of humor..
because if she doesn’t, she’s just a liar.
February 3, 2008 at 6:08 am #614613In reply to: Political Gum.
TheHouseMemberKen, I don’t profess to be an expert on the Constitution or the framers. That was my interpertaion of Clarks quote. That doesn’t mean that I won’t shy away from a good old fashioned debate. Throw the first jab.
As for Coulter, she’s a self indulgent pig and I’m not a particular fan.
I believe that it will be an Obama/Romney race. The GOP has not begun to unload on Obama since they’ve been attempting to keep Clinton at bay (she was the real threat). Once Obama wins the Democratic ticket, the GOP is going to have a field day with him. You’re going to see his lack of experience shine. Charisma and a pretty smile will only go so far.
February 3, 2008 at 6:00 am #614767In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
JanSParticipantThe Republican way…give ’em a few hundred dollars, and they’ll be quiet and leave us alone…do you really think this is the answer?
Did you look at the quiz? You should take it, just out of curiosity, and then tell us how off the mark they are as far as you’re concerned…oh, come on…just for the fun of it… :p
February 3, 2008 at 5:58 am #614766In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
JoBParticipantHouse, house, house….
and i thought maybe we could be friends.
i didn’t need to take a quiz to find out what i already knew, that the two democratic candidates for President were well aligned on the issues.
But, since you thought John McCain was so liberal, it may surprise YOU to know that he only matched me by 37%.
Probably not my candidate… or any other liberal who actually cares about the issues.
But thanks for looking out for us;-)
February 3, 2008 at 5:55 am #614449In reply to: Anyone for a chuckle?
JanSParticipantA bus carrying only ugly people crashes into an
oncoming truck, and everyone inside dies. As they
stand at the Pearly Gates waiting to enter Paradise and meet their maker, God decides to grant each person one wish because of the grief they have experienced.
They’re all lined up, and God asks the first one what the wish is. ‘I want to be gorgeous,’ and so God snaps His fingers, and it is done. The second one in line hears this and says ‘I want to be gorgeous too.’ Another snap of His fingers and the wish is granted. This goes on for a while with each one asking to be gorgeous, but when God is halfway down the line, the last guy in the line starts laughing. When there are only ten people left, this guy is rolling on the floor, laughing
his head off. Finally, God reaches this last guy and asks him what his wish will be. The guy eventually calms down and says:
‘Make ’em all ugly again.’
REMEMBER: NEXT TIME YOU’RE LAST IN LINE. BE HAPPY
February 3, 2008 at 5:49 am #614765In reply to: matching your issues to the candidate
TheHouseMemberIt figures that liberals need to take an Internet quiz to figure out which candidate they need to vote for. Since most liberals values are “moving targets”, you probably should take the test again tomorrow. You’ll probably score differently.
Please make sure you send President Bush a Thank You card for the $600 check you’re going to receive in a few months!
February 3, 2008 at 5:48 am #614612In reply to: Political Gum.
JanSParticipantHi, House…thanks for the input….and thanks for getting this started – lol…I think the Repubs had better get on the ball at the primaries if Romney is their man…he’s not quite in the forefront right now. Ann Coulter…sense of humor…well, I suppose she thinks she has one. I sometimes feel that she says what she says not because she believes it but because of the impact it makes on others…obviously it’s impacted me in a negative way…and I think she revels in that. And I think she’s impressed with herself…likes to hear herself talk :-) I figured you’d probably like her….hehehe…
February 3, 2008 at 5:48 am #614611In reply to: Political Gum.
KenParticipantWoo hoo!
A new topic
In addition, he states that the country was founded on the priciples of Enlightenment.
This reference is only in regards to the ability to practice religion freely.
If that were true then we would not be able to find and cite any evidence to support that contention in the historical record. Note there are lots of original documents online now and more coming every day.
Is that really a competition you seek to participate in with anything other than the mangled quotes and revisionist history of Federer, Barton and LeHaye?
If this is your proposal, I accept.
You first. :)
February 3, 2008 at 5:23 am #614610In reply to: Political Gum.
TheHouseMemberThank you all for your comments. Just a few coments:
I have respect for Wes Clark as a soldier and serviceman for our country, but as a politician I have none. His quote listed above by Ken is factually incorrect. Call me anal on this one, but our government is a republic. Decribing it as a democracy is incorrect. In addition, he states that the country was founded on the priciples of Enlightenment. This reference is only in regards to the ability to practice religion freely. The last part of his quote (I’m assuming) he means that “The Right/Conservatives” are not allowing this discourse to go on. That is pattently false and in fact I could prove to you that “The Left” does more to harm free speech, practice religion and hold classes down than “The Right” if I had enough time to spell it out for you.
If Wes Clark is the best lib you can muster up then you’ve got issues.
As for good ol’ Ann, I think it’s safe to say that she’s got a sense of humor. Hillary is already getting beat by Obama in the Primaries. Anns endorsement for Hillary is the kiss of death for both Clinton and McCain. The Republicans know that Obama is the easier candidate to beat and that Romney is the GOPs favorite right now. Ann knows what she’s doing.
February 3, 2008 at 4:58 am #614609In reply to: Political Gum.
AnonymousInactiveGeez NewResident, defending Ann Coulter says more about you and your priorities, than her. And how many years has it been since BJgate. How come whenever republicans can’t debate the issues with anything of substance this is their only fall back. But,but,but Clinton….. And Ken, I always enjoy your posts. You’re always articulate and well informed with facts. Often I’m thinking “what he says”.
February 3, 2008 at 4:43 am #614607In reply to: Political Gum.
JanSParticipantNew Resident…read my lips…I am not threatened by her…I’m disgusted by her…or anyone else who would say the things that she has. Life is too short to constantly be accusatory, to be mean spirited, to make a living by saying some of the cruelest things that she can think of at times. I do not consider her a good source of intelligent comment or criticism. We’re all entitled. If you disagree, then more power to you. I simply don’t like the woman, and that’s my right. Please don’t tell me what I am and am not. You do not know me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml
that article only demonstrates a small portion of how she feels. I’m sure we could come up with many more…but the attack on 9-11 widows was reprehensible.
You don’t like Bill Cllinton, but I doubt that you’re threatened by him. I do like him. I don’t like the president who lied to us and marched us into a war that has cost the lives of thousands of our young people and maimed many thousands more. I remember another war….another group of men at Walter Reed back in the 60’s that I had the privelege of meeting. Everyone of them was learning to walk with one leg, or dealing with no legs..or just one arm…or a prosthesis where a hand used to be. Heroes all…but what a waste of young life. And this president is now going to leave it to someone else to clean up his mistakes.So don’t talk to me about who will be considered a joke as a president.
What I’m saying is…we all have different feelings about these people. If you admire Ann Coulter, that’s your business…I don’t.
Truce?
February 3, 2008 at 4:36 am #614606In reply to: Political Gum.
KenParticipantClinton lied about a blow job.
Who was threatened by that?
Did anyone die? Did anyone have their civil rights violated? Did the Clinton Penis (the Clenis tm) violate the 4th amendment? The 9th? The freakin 2nd? Are you asking us to believe there is a single Republican politician past or present who would NOT lie about a blowjob?
It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place.”
— Henry Mencken
Bush and his cronies lie as easily as breathing and have casually doomed hundreds of thousands to their death.
Here is a list that has not been updated in a while since the db of lies got to big for the software.
http://www.unknownnews.net/logoflies.html
This is the true moral relativism of the conservatives.
The Clenis is all powerful and threatening to them. And yet the most blatent lies, halftruths and propaganda are accepted even when they contradict last years blatent lies, halftruths and propaganda. Even when there are real people suffering a laundry list of harm from torture to homelessness and PTSD, from the simple appointment of cronies, ideologs, industry lobbiest, fundraises and pious Liberty University chuckleheads to federal agencies.
Come on NR. give us some new lies half truths and propaganda. I hear Fox is going to roll out a new series of them tomorrow to the captive audience at the superbowl. Be sure to take notes.
And note this: telling us we are “mean” does not bother me. But it makes you sound kinda squishy. :)
February 3, 2008 at 4:16 am #614605In reply to: Political Gum.
WSMomParticipanthttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter
It’s reasonable to find Ann Coulter offensive, it’s her job to offend and she makes a lot of money being good at it. Read what she has to say about pretty much any subject and tell me how her words are not reprehensible. She may be clever, but I find her message to be dark and mean spirited.
February 3, 2008 at 3:44 am #614604In reply to: Political Gum.
AnonymousInactiveFor not being threatened by Ann Coulter, you sure have some mean things to say about her. To feel that much hatred for someone, you “can’t stand the woman”, you obviously are threatened! That’s so obvious, it’s funny! For example, it’s ridiculous and appalling to me that former President Clinton lied under oath and was DISBARRED, but yet he is considered by some to have been a great President! I don’t hate former President Clinton and i can actually stand him. He’s ridiculous, but kind of just a joke if you ask me. Has anyone taken the time to read the 9/11 Commission Report, by the way?
February 3, 2008 at 3:42 am #614512In reply to: resources for challenging dogs
KenParticipantTwo of our three current dogs, and many over the years, came to us because their owners could not keep or handle them or they could not find pet friendly housing. One was found as a 3 month old puppy wandering a mall parking lot.
That does not qualify as rescue exactly but I do understand the challenges of fixing both learned and strong instinctual behavior.
Non of ours would win any obedience contest but they mostly come when called and adjust to visiting dogs and fosters.
The Husky is the alpha through all visits mainly because of the thick neck ruff which larger dogs think is a good target. It’s not.
Good luck in your qwest.
February 3, 2008 at 3:34 am #614731In reply to: 50/60 someting looking for play group
hopeyParticipantIf you get a group going, I hope you will post regular updates… my mother, who is 65 but looks & acts a lot younger, will be moving to Seattle sometime in the next year. She also visits frequently. I’d love to be able to tell her about opportunities to drop in on your group.
February 3, 2008 at 3:22 am #614511In reply to: resources for challenging dogs
KenParticipantFor those unfamiliar with the breed.
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