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[MrJT]

Moved to West Seattle in 1997, after being raised in Tukwila. But am a 4th Generation West Seattlite. My Great Grandparents moved to the area in the teens, Grandparents (2 still living here), and my Parents all graduated from WSHS. Even though I grew up down the road, I spent plenty of time here. I bet there are not many that have been down the hill on Charlestown with mom’s 1972 Country Squire loaded with buddies !

[add]

Oh my, Beasley … I grew up in Northern NJ, so I know. You will have to get your in-laws to check out the offerings here. My MIL just moved to Sequim from Newton NJ, not quite Lodi, but still. She loves it here (go figure!).

[charlabob]

Since the subject of this forum is racism, sexism, etc, I can’t avoid posting this link to Geraldine Ferraro’s statement today. She’s treasurer and fundraiser for the Clinton campaign. And no, I don’t think it’s “just true”…black folks may be voting for Obama, but that is certainly not “the only reason he’s where he is today”.

To say that black men are privileged in this society is ludicrous (imagine your favorite obscenity in place of the big word).

I wish I could be angry at the Clinton campaign and demand that she fire Ferraro–etc. But I’m just very very sad. My tribe has let me down in a big way.

I’m old enough to have voted for Mondale, in part, because Ferraro was on the ticket. Then *she* was attacked because she was Italian.

This is from an interview and rather than claim misquote, Ferraro defends it and goes further.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/11/757137.aspx

the (very disappointed) c

[Anonymous]

JoB – I agree that nobody will respond to the bad points of Obama. Everyone very quickly just starts talking about why Clinton is so wrong.

Can someone please go into detail about what exactly Obama has done (in all his experience) that you agree with (not just what he’s saying he’s going to do)!! And don’t just refer us to an article you happen to agree with. Also, if you talk about his next door neighbor (or lack thereof) you get extra credit!

[JoB]

JT.. what am i to do with you?

stats only work if you understand their framework.

“As for political experience in it’s entirety, it has already been established that Obama has the most (11 years).”

so.. no political experience counts unless it is elected office??? interesting.

I don’t think you really believe that when it is put that way.

beachdrivegirl…

“As you will see Clinton has written 155 bills and has passed 13 in 2007. Obama has written 115 bills and passed 21 in 2007.”

was there nothing happening in Washington prior to 2007? How did he do the previous year when he didn’t have teddy’s help?

But let’s just take 2007.

i followed the link and looked at every bill quoted…. and i found i didn’t agree with the writer’s emphasis…

one of the things she liked about Obama, i really didn’t. she liked that his bills affected far more people.. broader range is how she put it i think.

But in her two real examples, the Clinton alternative actually offered more real protection and solutions to those who need it most.

She liked that Obama was concerned about lead paint in toys…. passing laws to make sure that toys are regulated… after all.. to paraphrase her… there were millions of toys

whereas Clinton wanted to get lead paint out of homes…. and only a few homes have lead paint…

Lead paint exists mostly in the homes of the very poor who don’t have the option of simply moving… and Hillary’s vehicle of tax incentives would actually have helped those who chose to take on urban renewal (buying a marginal house.. fixing it and living in it or selling it) as well… a well considered bill that would have had immediate effect in removing lead paint from homes….

Aside from the fact that I am more concerned with lead paint in homes.. where people don’t have the option of simply moving away… than with toys that are generally simply replaced when they are found to be toxic… his bill would have created more laws. hers offered a practical solution for eliminating lead paint from homes…

same with the mtg issue.. Hillary wanted good disclosure laws on contracts so that people know what they are signing… this would have had an immediate effect on those defrauding the poor who are generally less savvy because banks would have stepped up their scrutiny… they wouldn’t have wanted to be the one left holding worthless paper…

he wanted laws making mtg fraud illegal… fraud is already illegal… very hard to prosecute because you have to prove deliberate intent to defraud.. and as the FBI is finding out right now.. that’s not so easy. but still illegal.

Again, he wanted more laws.. she wanted regulations that would directly effect the real outcome of non-disclosure in mtg transactions…

When you are looking at these pieces that seem to be so well researched, it’s good to look at the assumptions built into the arguments to see if you actually agree with them.

This writer’s basic assumption was that a bill’s worth could be measured by it’s passage… not by it’s content. i think that’s a bad assumption.

rs261.. thanks for supplying some real info.. i was only quoting the endorsement in the Rolling stones article…

and i forgot to pick up the Rolling Stone while i was at the grocery.. probably a fruedian slip:)

NewResident.. i am sorry.. i was unable to follow your link…

One thing i have noticed… nobody comments on the really ugly issues i have raised… they just go on to find new points….

[beachdrivegirl]

Below is a link to some research done not just on the quantity of bills passed but also the quality of bills passed for McCain, Obama, and Clinton. As you will see Clinton has written 155 bills and has passed 13 in 2007. Obama has written 115 bills and passed 21 in 2007. I urge everyone out there to click on the link and read what each Senator has been adviacating while in Washington. I believe that those individuals that are doubting Obama will feel a bit more @ ease after reading through the bills he has written and got passed.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

[JoB]

ok.. i followed Charlabob’s link to the rolling stone articles.. and i will have their endorsement rattling around my head for a while… while i sort the very good and impassioned writer from reality…

but there are a couple of things there that still bother me… in spite of their skill. one is the obvious… it’s all about his campaign.. but once he is elected.. what have we elected?

the endorsement comes close to that.. but there is something there that makes me uncomfortable as well… on global warming she says he is not on board but she is sure his intelligence will lead him there…

this rings too much of the political endorsements in many major newspapers for Bush.. he hasn’t come through with any of his campaign promises but we liked them so we want to give him another chance to do what he said he would…

i am not equating Bush and Obama.. but i am saying that resting your endorsement on hope may not be in your best interests.

[JoB]

Sue asked: “is there anything we can truly do as WA democrats that can influence the decision at this point as to who gets nominated?”

this is a good question and i don’t have an answer.

Ken, do you?

JohnM… what makes Hillary more qualified? i think i went there and did that in the go hillary thread and a couple more. ..

look under the political discussions at the top…

As for what makes her more qualified as commander in chief.. i can supply one little detail… something i listened to on Democracy Now…

There was a group of retired military commanders who were briefing all of the candidates (who chose to be briefed) on what they thought the military should do about the current middle east situation. all of the democratic candidates at the time attended.. but only two stayed and asked more questions.. Biden and Clinton.

She really does want to know all of the details..

if i do the rest of why Hillary again, kayleigh will mutiny:) and possibly with cause:)

[rs261]

“Going by years spent as an elective official, Obama’s 11 years exceeds Clinton’s seven, which in turn exceeds Edwards’ six. But it’s a silly calculus.”

Shes the one touting experience not him. He’s the one touting unity of the parties and the country

And we still dont know why she is more qualified.

[JoB]

villagegreen…

the article you linked in SLATE actually is an example of exactly what i was trying to point out.

I read the entire article.. and at no point did it actually defend Obama’s experience… it simply was a rant that could have been titled.. what right does she have to claim experience…

and right there.. in the article you linked to was this classy little line, “her sharing Bill Clinton’s bed most nights while he was Arkansas governor and president of the United States.”

Blatant sexism… yet that’s ok with you?

I get the idea anything is ok with Obama supporters as long as it puts Hillary in her place while nothing is ok if it questions Obama.

Thin skins don’t’ get elected. righteous indignation will only take you so far…

and.. the real kicker… disrespect has a trickle down effect.

You might not find it so wonderful to be dismissed as someone’s bedmate just because the man you married happened to share your life’s work…

go to MSNBC and look a their political cartoons and ask yourself what most of them really have to do with Hillary’s candidacy… and those are the relatively clean ones…

[JohnM]

What exactly makes Hillary more qualified?

[JoB]

Kayleigh.. what do you think the democratic party is that Hillary is ruining?

It is not the Obama party…

It is not the party of “i want it to be different”.

This is a political party.. in service of political power.. that gains that power only if it appeases the people who support it…

This is a political party… involved in a political process… not a democratic institution… by the people for the people. You are confusing the party with the government…

the party has no checks and balances to protect the people… it just has politics.. the business of trading favor for favor…. and only one real goal.. to perpetuate itself.

Hillary Clinton has worked tirelessly for the democratic party.. to say she should stand aside (for the good of the party) because you favor another candidate is pretty self serving… and incredibly naive.

but ther eis one thing you can be sure of.. the Hilalry Clinton who has spent her entire adult life working for the party won’t quit if she loses the primary…. you would and could expect her to work tirelessly to get your candidate elected…

that is what “for the good of the party” means.

[villagegreen]

I’m so freaking sick of people questioning Obama’s experience, while at the same time saying that Hillary has been vetted. People seem to accept it as a given that she’s ‘experienced’. But experienced in what? She had her 3am moment and chose to authorize the war. Way to go Hillary. Your so called experienced really paid off there.

Check out this article about her (and Obama’s) real experience: http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/

[Anonymous]

JoB – Can you guys post the specifics of the event here? Or maybe there is a link for me to follow? I am curious about the start time and what is involved/required if I have a bag to donate to the auction. Thank you!

[rs261]

Heres some fodder for the no McCain

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/mccain.airbus.ap/index.html

Its regarding the airbus/boeing deal going on right now. Of course also being known as Senator Hothead doesnt help.

I personally dont like hillary because she has the same political style as her husband…rule by polls and flavor of the moment. Anybody remember he stance on “violent video games”? What about her hedge fund tax, yet she got her daughter a 500k a year job at one right out of school. Of course my favorite is requiring everyone to have medical insurance…what cant pay for it? thats ok we’ll just take it out of your paycheck.

Oh, and for the record, I’ll be happy with either hillary or Obama as president. (and maybe even mccain, we’ll see on that one)

[JoB]

Andrea…

“Those of you out there who say that if Obama is not the man up for election you’ll go green and vote for Nader, or go altogether nuts and vote for McCain, are why the Democartic party is in the mess its been for the last 8 years.”

In all fairness we can’t really blame people who have for the most part just discovered politics for the first time (and are incredibly passionate) for the mess the party has been in..

we have to blame our party for not adequately educating voters… for buying into the hype and letting the real issues slide while we were so busy defending ourselves that we allowed someone else put together our talking points for us.

We have to blame ourselves for not becoming more passionately involved in the last two elections. i know i didn’t choose to work this hard last time when the media turned a good thoughtful thinking war hero into a figure of fun… It was as much my failure as anyone else’s… his back porch talks were incredible.. and anyone who doesn’t think so is either republican or never actually listened to one.

I am honored to represent the other Hillary supports. I know there are lots of other Hillary supporters out there. look what happens when the decision about who to support in the primaries is moved from caucus to the privacy of the ballot box.

look what happened here. It is a close race.. regardless of the hype…

Just because we don’t show up in droves at rallies doesn’t mean that those voters who support Hillary don’t exist…

But your point about the divisiveness that is happening in the party right now is one i have been struggling to make.

If you are a democrat… you believe in democratic ideas and would support them no matter who the candidate is.

If you’re not.. if you only care about your candidate… then get the heck out of the party (for the good of the party) and let those of us who will still be here regardless of the candidate get on with getting the job of working for democratic ideals.

Whew. that came out a lot stronger than i meant it to.. and it isn’t directed at you personally kayleigh…

but it’s time to focus on what really matters and i don’t care whether your candidate is Hillary or Obama.. they are not what matters.

Repairing the damage done to our country by 8 years of the Bush Whitehouse is what matters…

finding the right person to win the election and then accomplish the heavy work ahead is what matters.

Kayleigh, if Obama wins the election, do you really want Hillary supporters to leave the field and let him flounder.. or do you want us to roll up our sleeves and get him elected?

Because if you want that for your candidate, you need to give equal respect to Hillary.

It’s not our job to get your candidate elected for you.

getting a democrat elected is the job of every democrat this fall… regardless of who wins the nomination.

[Anonymous]

JoB – Obama is not qualified. People will keep saying that to convince themselves because they know that he isn’t qualified. He’s different and represents a radical change, that’s what is appealing. Qualified, though? No.

I read someone’s post that said it was okay that Obama has no experience because he just needs to surround himself with experience. Are you kidding me?!!

Thanks, but I would like my President to know what the H*** he’s doing!

[JoB]

Kayleigh.. i know you are passionate… and i like that a lot..

but when did President Clinton become Hillary’s husband when we are referring to the responsibilities of the presidency?

And… what actually makes Obama more qualified than Bill Clinton was?

the propaganda of recent years may have made us believe that saying it made it so… but that doesn’t work for me.

what qualifies Obama? it’s still a valid question.

[andrea]

For the record, myself, my sister, my mother, and my right-bearing father are all big Hillary supporters. At my work, which is a federal government agency, I’d say half or more of the office is routing for Hillary (and not a one for GW btw!). JoB is not alone in her support of Hillary, I’m just not as vocal or eloquent as she is in her statements. Please realize Jo that I and many others that read this blog do appreciate and cheer on your ‘long missives defending her’. I cannot articulate enough how this hate on hate Democrat crime tick’s me off. I will be happy with either candidate on the Democratic ticket and will vote for whoever that is, but at this point Hillary is still my woman. Those of you out there who say that if Obama is not the man up for election you’ll go green and vote for Nader, or go altogether nuts and vote for McCain, are why the Democartic party is in the mess its been for the last 8 years.

[Anonymous]

r26 – Even if what you are doing is not “legal” (although, from what beachdrivegirl posted, looks like you are in the right), I won’t honk at you! Whenever there is a question, do what’s safe.

[Kayleigh]

JoB, Obama’s as qualified as Hillary’s husband was (in fact, more so.) Thinking people know this; even Hillary knows this. He’s plenty qualified, and only her ruthlessness and blind ambition prevent her from admitting it. And even if I decided he wasn’t qualified in my opinion, I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

I almost hope she keeps this nonsense up; it will give me an excuse to stop contributing to the Democratic party altogether and start calling myself an Independent.

Yes, I am that POed at her.

[JoB]

Thanks for giving us a link that worked..

and the west seattle blog pulls ahead in the polls…

quick, add fuel to our fire!

[JoB]

Charlabob..

i am sooooo sorry….. i had no idea it was infectious ;->

kayeligh.. that Hillary has said that Obama is not ready to be commander in chief is not news. It doesn’t matter if he is to be president or VP… it’s her point and she is sticking to it…

and if the MSNBC article that beachdrivegirl flagged us on is any indication (which by the way i am taking with three grains of salt thrown over my shoulder) he isn’t.

He is definately ready to campaign. He is a brilliant campaigner. But is he ready to govern?

Who knows?

It’s past time to stop blaming Clinton for questioning him and find out.

[squareeyes]

I’ve had two different soups at Shadowlands – celery root and butternut squash. Both were excellent. My friend tried the roasted olives. As much as I love olives I can’t just sit there and eat them like fries so that was a miss for me. Most of the menu items sound delicious but price is an issue. I believe they’ve got some happy hour selections 4-6pm but I haven’t been there in time to sample. I wish they’d come down a dollar or two on their wine by the glass. I must say that Ama Ama has them well beat on the price of a glass of wine.

[charlabob]

Ah, yes, Kayleigh, but she and her staff have said he will be qualified by the convention. In other words, “As soon as you nominate me, he’ll get better.”

I’ll vote for either of them, and I won’t hold my nose in either case. But I understand those who won’t — I’ve caught some of JoB’s even-handedness — it’s temporary; I took a pill

First of all, she’s not going to be nominated. If it comes to that, Gore will be drafted.

If you can’t stand her, leave the top of the ticket blank.

Don’t vote for McCain–he’s dangerous. There will be a continuation of the rush to an imperial presidency, the decline of anything except sham democracy, .. everything bad that I’m saving for the “Don’t go McCain” thread that JoB promised to start in her copious free time. :-)

c