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January 12, 2008 at 9:01 pm #613790
In reply to: list of schools & links
addParticipantAnother resource for pre-school info can be found on the West Seattle PEPS website – it’s about 2 years old but still good at-a-glance info:
January 12, 2008 at 8:58 pm #613789In reply to: list of schools & links
JulieMemberNicely done! It would have been a very helpful starting place to me when I was investigating both public and private schools for my children (back in arpanet days, though).
January 12, 2008 at 3:50 pm #613788In reply to: list of schools & links
acemotelParticipantThanks for the great list of West Seattle Schools. Seattle Times has a good school guide for a citywide perspective that might be useful for those contemplating a private school outside of WS:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/schoolguide/January 12, 2008 at 8:38 am #613787In reply to: list of schools & links
WSBKeymasterfinally done!
https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?page_id=5111
find it from the “schools” tab atop any page
will add some more resources over the weekend but for now we think it’s a fairly comprehensive list of schools with their weblinks and also maps showing where they are. thanks again for the idea.
January 12, 2008 at 7:07 am #586229WSBKeymasterIn case anyone is interested, we had a Reader Recommendation Request thread on preschools back in August:
January 12, 2008 at 5:27 am #586228Topic: Sasquatch Sighting at Lincoln Park
in forum Open DiscussionflipjackParticipantI was coming up the trail that starts by Coleman Pool and I saw what at first look like a big guy in a fur coat eating something.
As I got closer I noticed he had furry pants on too, except the fur looked real, then I saw it was munching on a poodle! I screamed and it looked up and shot up the stairs that meet that trail. Really swift… I was shaking in my boots. Has anyone else seen the sasquatch??
January 12, 2008 at 4:21 am #613407In reply to: WS Rentals
MissKMemberHere is a one bedroom that accepts cats.
KenParticipantThe references and sources are on the foot note page.
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes_1.htm
The footnotes and sources for the entire book are at the link on the top left of the home page at
under the words:View and verify sources cited in the book:
This link is then provided.
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes.htm
A cursory glance indicates that most of the cited documents are online At the LOC if a little hard to read due to the 18th century spelling and font and the dark patina of the medium.
The sentence you quote makes little sense outside the context of the preceding and following paragraphs. It’s almost as if one were following the example of a local institute who attempt to cast doubt on an idea or theory by picking at one part of it and then declaring that the entire body of work acquired over decades, must be ignored and the magical explanation is thereby proven.
Let’s post a little more of the chapter and see.
excerpt
From History Forgotten, the most widely circulated of the internet lists: “Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of Scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society.1 Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.â€
William Federer’s version of the 1777 Bible story is typical of those found in the majority of religious right American history books. It tells half of the real story, includes a quote from an actual committee report, but ends with a fabricated resolution. The resolution is created to change the outcome of the story from Congress dropping the matter, which is what really happened, to Congress proceeding to import the Bibles. Tim LaHaye’s version, that Congress printed Bibles for the Indians, has absolutely no basis in fact. But, as drastically different as their stories are, both Federer and LaHaye cite the same pages from the Journals of the Continental Congress as their source.
In addition to changing the outcome of the story, none of the religious right American history books fully explain why Congress was considering importing the Bibles in the first place. Most mention that the war with England caused a shortage of Bibles, which is true, but this is only half the story. Congress’s consideration of the matter had to do with the prevention of price gouging.
Not all Americans during the Revolutionary War were the virtuous, Christian citizens portrayed in the religious right version of American history.Many were taking advantage of war shortages and charging outrageous prices for just about anything they could get their hands on. No product was safe – not even Bibles. The widespread problem of price gouging prompted numerous attempts by individual states, groups of states, and Congress to regulate prices, none of which were very successful. With less than half the country in favor of the war to begin with, Congress was very concerned with minimizing hardships like high prices and shortages of items previously imported from England.In 1777, three ministers from Philadelphia, Francis Alison, John Ewing, and William Marshall, came up with a plan to alleviate the Bible shortage. Their idea was to import the necessary type and paper, and print an edition in Philadelphia. The problem with this plan, however, was that, if the project was financed and controlled by private companies, the Bibles would most likely be bought up and resold at prices that the average American couldn’t afford.
Rev. Alison wrote a memorial to Congress, explaining the dilemma and asking for help. What the ministers wanted Congress to do was finance the printing, as a loan to be repaid by the sale of the Bibles. As Rev. Alison explained in the memorial, if Congress imported the type and paper, and Congress contracted the printer, then Congress could regulate the selling price of the Bibles.
End excerpt (note there is more of this chapter available in the web site, but it is truncated at the end of the next page I believe)
I have to take the time to figure out which markup plugin is being used here since formatting quotes and sub quotes is getting ugly…
January 12, 2008 at 1:05 am #613406In reply to: WS Rentals
acemotelParticipantanother house on SW Charlestown between California and 44th. looks cute from the outside.
January 11, 2008 at 9:35 pm #613690In reply to: Let’s hear it for Sen. Clinton…or not
JulieMemberMy biggest concern with Obama is his relatively weak environmental agenda; I suppose it’s his midwest ties, but he leans far too heavily on biofuels. We need them in the mix, but as a bridge technology.
Edwards appears the strongest in both environment and healthcare of the candidates the press has decided remain to us. (lowmanbeach, I wish your second-to-last boss were in charge now…)
I’m disappointed in Clinton’s very conservative thinking…but she’s certainly better than the status quo.
January 11, 2008 at 11:56 am #613795KenParticipantYou think I despise charlatans and hypocrites because I have never been exposed to the “gospel”? I am from North Carolina. I have seen it close up and know a few of the children of major fundies. I have been a cast member in a traveling evangelical show. I have lived in Christian fundamentalist communes and compounds.
I have no problem with the gospel, my issue is with those who read it, and ignore the words of Jesus to concentrate on those parts of the old testament which reinforce their own prejudices, and justify their hatred and averice.
Throuout history there have been those who use religion for personal gain, political power or as a cover for their mental health issues. There have also been good and decent people who derive great comfort and strength from their belief.
It is when the former use the latter for personal gain that I get upset.
I see above a sweetened up standarization of Calvinism with the parts that scare people glossed over or removed. Lets look at the thing in a bit brighter light.
“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.
1. That there are three Gods.
2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, is nothing.
3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit the faith.
4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save.”
— Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822
And in response to Dave Barry, lets try Garrison Keillor
You might not have always liked Republicans, but you could count on them to manage the bank. They might be lousy tippers, act snooty, talk through their noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as they race their Pierce-Arrows through the village, but you knew they could do the math. To see them produce a ninny and then follow him loyally into the swamp for five years is disconcerting, like seeing the Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. […]
It is painful to look at your father and realize the old man should not be allowed to manage his own money anymore. This is the discovery the country has made about the party in power. They are inept. The checkbook needs to be taken away. They will rant, they will screech, they will wave their canes at you and call you all sorts of names, but you have to do what you have to do.
— Garrison Keillor 06/06
January 11, 2008 at 7:06 am #613793WesMemberKen, you starting to make me think you are bit of a conspiracy theorist….
So people are not perfect and when any religion has too much power abuse begins, I agree. People have agendas? Most people do. But this swings everywhere, not just the “religious right”. Almost everyone in politics, or it seems, does things that some people do not like.
Do you like Dave Barry?
“The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and time again that they have the management skills of celery. They’re the kind of people who’d stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisinart, let alone the economy. The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn’t bother to stop because they’d want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club.”
Soo good, everyone is guilty, everyone is fallen, just like Findlay said.
Findlay, email me sometime!
WesMemberAgain, the writer of the book “Liars for Jesus” makes some claims without basis himself and tells stories without citing references. Those things that he does cite seem true enough, though looking up those documents yourself seems to be what the book is calling on us to do ourselves. So they too have an agenda and a presupposition and I suppose if we wanted to know the truth we too can search those documents as well, right?
Case in point “Not all Americans during the Revolutionary War were the virtuous, Christian citizens portrayed in the religious right version of American history.”(Liars for Jesus, Chapter 1, Congress and the Bible, pg3, 3rd para). Who has made this claim for the author to refute it and why is he not citing a source for this? Also how does he know? He must be assuming, becasue a)as far as I know there is no time machine invented and b)it’s historical and can not be repeated exactly. It may be true or not but make your case Chris Rodda, so we don’t think we are beliving in more lies about suspected lies! And we as individuals should ask and look for these things too. Would you not agree?
January 11, 2008 at 6:28 am #613606In reply to: Button pushing…
WesMemberKayleigh, (I really like that name by the way) what date does science give about the age of the Earth today anyways? I think it just got bumped up last month to almost 1 billion. It seems that both have no clue how old the earth is.
Good stuff Ken, but as always I have to take this with a grain of salt, considering daily kos does have it’s own biases about how they think things should be too. But I would agree, what does our military have to do with evangelism?
Also the other article by the kos points out particulars about this very weird house resolution, and says, “It’s a lie.” Ok, show how this is a lie. In all fairness for me to find something you have written and then write in response, “It’s a lie.” would not be just. If it’s true let’s see it. Just because they say it doesn’t make it true, and that goes the same with those pushing for the bill. It still doesn’t seem like theocracy, which I would again assert has nothing to do with the New Testament or Jesus in any way.
As far as Rushdooney’s quote, and I have no idea who he is, what was the context for that statement?
Gary North’s comments are not at all correct biblically and is quite laughable.
It’s interesting that what I was taught about those that were coming to America to settle, were those that were being oppressed by religion in their countries. They wanted to worship freely.
Jan, would it be fair to say that every canidate, despite what they say, will make decisions based of their own presuppositions and beliefs that will affect us daily?
In the end I am still undecided, just like last time.
Good times neighbors!
January 11, 2008 at 6:15 am #613792FindlayMemberKen,
I would just say that you shouldn’t focus on what the “religious right” does. We are fallen people who follow are own way. Our actions are not obvious God-like as I’m sure your personal actions are sometimes not.
I would just listen to the message of the Gospel and make up your mind on where you stand.
The Gospel (â€Good Newsâ€)
There is one God who created everything (Heaven and Earth). That God is all powerful and is without sin.
God created man who fell, by trying to be God (worshiping creation rather than creator). In other words, we create idols (house, car, vacation, family, job, intellect, etc.) that lead us away from God.
Man is eternally separated from God in a state of rebellion. Man will die, permanently separated from the God of the Universe without a plan for salvation.
God so loved the world that he created that he sent his own son (Jesus) into creation to take on our sin so that we may be reconciled to him.
The Holy Spirit purpose is to convict us of our sin and to point us to Christ. By turning towards Jesus, God removes the sin the separates us from him.
The Bible was divinely inspired by God to allow us to learn about Jesus and the perfect plan of redemption.
If you doubt that God could do all such things, then your God is too small!
The New Year would be a perfect time to turn from your current ways (if not a Christian), keeping your eyes on eternity, with a new life of meaning, living for the God of the Universe rather than yourself.
This has nothing to do with elections, a Christion-nation, homophobia, men/women domination, abortion, etc.
It is just figuring out that you are not the center of your universe and that there is an eternal being that you need to be justified with.
As C.S. Lewis said, was Jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or Lord. You must make a decision!
January 11, 2008 at 4:33 am #613786In reply to: list of schools & links
WSBKeymasterthanks! good reminder. it’s been a few years since we ourselves had to do major huge in-depth school research. the tricky part here is going to be including all the private schools – we know most of them off the top of our heads but we’re sure we’ll miss somebody inadvertently … everybody check back in the morning and see what we came up with :) (3 AM ADDENDUM, that will be more like LATE morning – about 2/3 of the way there tho) 6:20 PM PPS, still working on it! I never learned the lesson about “underpromise and overdeliver” …
January 11, 2008 at 4:26 am #586227Topic: A notable book for this religion infused election season
in forum PoliticsKenParticipantFrank Schaeffer son of theologian and Presbyterian pastor Francis Schaeffer, was pivotal in the creation of the Religious Right
Quotes below taken from a Rob Boston book review at:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/8/103830/9285
(excerpt)
Consider these choice quotes from Schaeffer’s recently published book,
Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back:
“What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not `conservatives’ at all, in the old sense of the world. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries.”
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“Pat Robertson…would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement.”
“Dad could hardly have imagined how they would help facilitate the instantly corrupted power-crazy new generation of evangelical public figures like Ralph Reed, who took money from the casino industry while allegedly playing both sides against the middle in events related to the Abramoff Washington lobbyist scandal.”
“Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of
these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They wereplastic,’ Dad said, and `power-hungry.'”
“There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed – sort of – but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn’t figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else.”
“Dad seemed lost in a depressed daze. He had recently been saying privately that the evangelical world was more or less being led by lunatics, psychopaths, and extremists, and agreeing with me that if `our side’ ever won, America would be in deep trouble.”
January 11, 2008 at 4:09 am #613604In reply to: Button pushing…
KenParticipanthttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/30/12918/167/526/427649
Well here is a story of recent evangelizing of active duty military.
It is quite possible this is more of a convenient method of parting separating soldiers from their GI education benefits, than a takeover of the military, but the pressure at the Air Force academy is very real and has resulted in a decade of fundamentalist who believe the world is supposed to end in fire PDQ, having control of the largest nuclear arsenal ever assembled on the planet.
Note this is posted at the Great Orange Satans site DailyKos…
For more fun, read Bruce Wilson’s, How Fake American History Feeds Christian Nationalism
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155457/0298
(excerpt)
Step 1: Change Beliefs About Origins of US Government. Step Two: Theocracy !
The easiest way to make the US into a Christian theocracy is to just re-write American history so that Americans grow up believing that the founders intended the US to be a Christian theocracy.
The problem with ignoring this fake history is that it then gets enshrined as “legitimate” and if House Resolution 888 gets passed, a whole mess of the worst history lies of the American Christian right will get entered into the Congressional Record and then people who push the “Christian nation” alternate version of American history can point to the Congressional Record and say “see ? it’s in the Congressional Record ! It must be true !” That’s how PR and propaganda work.
H. Res 888 is designed to make the history lies, cooked up by historical revisionists of the Christian right, more respectable. And, to the extent Congress members vote for it they become caught up in a web of complicity – the overwriting of American history.
The church today has fallen prey to the heresy of democracy.
— R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), p. 747.
The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.
Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.
January 11, 2008 at 3:37 am #613785In reply to: list of schools & links
addParticipantOh – and on the Seattle Schools page for each school you can also link directly to that specific school’s annual report, which provides all the data on the school (test scores, diversity/demographics, etc.)
January 11, 2008 at 3:35 am #613784In reply to: list of schools & links
addParticipantYou can go to the Seattle Schools website and get two lists: West Seattle North and West Seattle South. Click each school and get general contact info plus a link to their website.
January 11, 2008 at 1:25 am #613783In reply to: list of schools & links
WSBKeymasterI am working on that but will probably take me till late tonight to finish it. I’d like to create a separate schools page, and hopefully will be able to create room for it with the tabs above. Anybody who sees this between now and say midnight, sending your link would be helpful, otherwise I will be pulling ’em all up off the web.
January 11, 2008 at 12:40 am #586226Topic: list of schools & links
in forum West Seattle SchoolsJulieMemberIt could be useful to parents who don’t know what all the options are to have a list of WS schools, including contact info or website links. Where would be a good place to put this, WSB?
January 11, 2008 at 12:25 am #613601In reply to: Button pushing…
WesMemberI do not know anything about the history of the SBC , never claimed to. But despite that how could anyone, except by war and force impose a theocracy in our country. No way would this slide by our congress or judicial system. That’s a bit out there.
I simply wanted to know why they specifically make the claims they do. Thank you for your input and information.
I also could not get the pages to load on the online book.
January 10, 2008 at 11:26 pm #613289In reply to: Delivery options?
BunnyferMemberThank you thank you thank you for the link to ordering Luciano’s online! I developed laryngitis, and I was sooo wanting delivery that I didn’t have to phone in (that also wasn’t Pizza Hut).
Excellent! Will check this blog more often!
January 10, 2008 at 8:52 pm #613584In reply to: HD: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV — West Sea RRs?
swimcatMemberWe just upgraded to an HDTV and have debated switching to a dish from Comcast. We’re at the top of Gatewood Hill, and our Comcast service is generally pretty spotty. Can’t tell if it’s the signal or crappy interface, but we’re getting tired of turning on the TV and seeing a blue screen or else hitting pause during a show and then the whole thing freezes up. The only reason we are keeping Comcast for now is On Demand. We use that feature a lot and it’s not available with dishes from what I understand. monopoly!
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