FOLLOWUP: City removes ‘hygiene station’ from Junction Plaza Park in West Seattle

7:18 PM THURSDAY: The northeast corner of Junction Plaza Park is empty tonight. That’s where, for the last six months, a city-placed “hygiene station” had stood. The West Seattle Junction Association had long been asking the city to remove it, saying – as we reported in September – a small park in a struggling business district wasn’t the right place for it. Both residents and businesspeople said it had created dangerous conditions and spoke of being harassed or threatened by people hanging out and camping in the park because of it; police were summoned to the park many times to deal with disturbances.

The city had remained noncommittal about potential action, even at an online community meeting three weeks ago (WSB coverage here). But today, the portable toilets and sink were removed. We didn’t hear about this in time to ask the city Human Services Department for comment (which we’ll do tomorrow); WSJA executive director Lora Radford says she was told it’s been moved elsewhere in the city. Her reaction to the removal: “This was never about criminalizing homelessness, but more about the quality of life that was diminished for people experiencing chronic drug and mental health challenges. No one belongs in a tent as a permanent shelter, or in parks, or on sidewalks. To use public green space as an acceptable form of housing is shortsighted and dangerous. Thank you to all the West Seattleites who took action; together communities can force change.” The city placed another “hygiene station” in West Seattle, in the parking lot of the Salvation Army center in South Delridge, but to our knowledge there’ve been no complaints about it. The Junction, meantime, still has a permanent city-funded portable-toilet installation about a block west of the park, on SW Alaska just east of 44th SW.

Side note: The Junction removal comes one day after the mayor announced a proposal to expand programs to clean up trash in parks and on streets.

8:26 PM FRIDAY: Our inquiries to the city were answered late today – primarily, what happened to the hygiene station components removed from Junction Plaza Park. The lead department is not Human Services, but rather Seattle Public Utilities, whose spokesperson Sabrina Register tells us:

The handwash station located at Junction Plaza Park was relocated to 44th and Alaska to enhance hygiene services at the existing sanican. Both the sanican and the hand-wash station will receive daily cleaning and re-stocking by City vendors. In addition, Seattle Parks and Recreation staff will conduct daily visual inspections to ensure the station is in good working order.

The two sanicans at Junction Plaza Park were removed and will be relocated to another location which has yet to be determined. The siting team maintains a list of locations requested by other City departments and community members. The new site will be chosen following the same siting criteria as past hygiene stations. These criteria include high need, absence of redundancy, on or adjacent to City property, does not pose access barriers for facilities or private property, and ease of closing post COVID-19 response.

46 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: City removes 'hygiene station' from Junction Plaza Park in West Seattle"

  • Auntie November 5, 2020 (8:08 pm)

    It’s about time! There is a difference between empathizing with these people and enabling them. I am speaking of those who do not want help, but want the benefits of society. However, neither empathy nor enabling serves the taxpayers, business people, residents of this area who deserve to be able to use this public park without worry. Thanks to the powers that be that got the comfort station removed.

  • Duffy November 5, 2020 (8:35 pm)

    GOOOOOOD! It is time to take back our parks.

    • A place to be November 6, 2020 (4:32 pm)

      So much enthusiasm!

      So you’ll be regularly enjoying this park, now that is has been ‘taken back,’ right?

      • WS Res November 9, 2020 (9:04 am)

        I take it you don’t like directly across from the park? I did for three years. It was horrible, and that was long before they installed the porta-potties. At one point, the city thought a piano in the park was a great idea. You can image how well they went. Almost every night, a homeless person would be screaming in the middle of the night, or a violent fight would break out among them. Many nights one of them would crank his portable radio up and blast music late into the night, And the worst part was SPD usually didn’t respond to such calls in the Spring and Summer,  due to “all resources being allocated to Alki Beach” as a 911 operator told me. If you are fortunate to live on a quiet street in WS, please try and understand when a Junction resident is not SO sympathetic towards the homeless when they make it hellish at night. 

        • A place to be November 11, 2020 (9:01 am)

          I have enough experience living in the city, and in some different neighborhoods, to have seen and heard the sort of things you have described and worse by both neighbors and goings on outside. Btw, West Seattle is a sanctuary compared to some other areas!

          I do not discount that some may feel uncomfortable, inconvenienced, concerned for safety, etc. when exposed to some of the things people have complained about.

          However, there seems to be a low tolerance and acceptance for these realities, when choosing to live in a city, and lack of compassion for those who are living and working on the streets.

          I do understand what it feels like to have concerns and not feel satisfied where you live, but I don’t believe the answer is to wage a community war against those outdoors.

          And often, there is more we can personally do to insulate, tune out, and just choose to focus on other things (like gratitude), rather than complain about things in the world around us.

          • WS Res November 15, 2020 (6:34 pm)

            I get what you’re saying, but you obviously have no idea the kind of weird sh#* that went on in that park at night. I guarantee anyone who’s lived across from it knows exactly what I’m talking about. When literally every night you wake up in the middle of the night to screaming and chaos. The PC, woke answer doesn’t provide comfort when you’re going on a week of sleepless nights because homeless ppl are fighting and breaking things, and a radio is blasting and echoing off buildings. When I lived there, I prayed for rainy nights because I knew they wouldn’t be in the park and I would actually get some sleep. 

  • wsres November 5, 2020 (8:41 pm)

    Good. It is nice to know that someone was finally listening to the citizens that pay them.

  • Xuu206 November 5, 2020 (9:40 pm)

    It’s about time!

  • David November 5, 2020 (10:18 pm)

    George Carlin was right, people like to pretend they care about other human beings until it becomes a matter of NIMBY.
    “This was never about criminalizing homelessness”, it’s about keeping them as far away as possible so we can pretend they don’t exist.
    No one belongs in a tent as a permanent shelter, or in parks, or on sidewalks”, and we’ve done nothing to remedy that. In fact, all we accomplished was to make their already-hard lives even harder. But now we can feel better because we don’t have to look at them.
    together communities can force change”, like for example giving homeless people nowhere to use the bathroom. Bravo, well done.

    • Duffy November 6, 2020 (6:56 am)

      Wrong on so many levels. You can have compassion for homeless, endorse shelters and safe hygiene resources, and also support the preservation of our parks. Parks are intended to be open to all; they belong to and can be used by everyone. But there is a social contract we must all adhere to; violating that contract means you don’t get to use the park. It is clear after months and months of police reports and more importantly neighbor testimony from those that live near Junction Plaza Park that there were a select few that were using the park as a home base to use/sell drugs, carry on violent encounters and threaten other park goers. That cannot happen and you relinquish your right to use the park if you prevent others from enjoying/using it as well. This needs to be applied to all parks in Seattle; many of which are being overwhelmed with homeless encampments. I am compassionate for those that are homeless, but the ONE place you cannot set up shop is our parks. Our parks are ours and they cannot be annexed for individual self gain. 

    • Tyr1001 November 6, 2020 (8:25 am)

      I don’t mind looking at them. I do mind being harassed and threatened with knives though.

      • A place to be November 6, 2020 (4:16 pm)

        Really? All the homeless people in the park harassed you and threatened you with knives? I wonder what you were you doing to provoke these people. I’ve never seen or experienced this in passing there.

        However, I’m sure any individuals who are struggling so much to the point of harassing and threatening passerby’s, will be functioning much better, now that the community has rallied together in a war against them, to have an essential resource removed, and to essentially make them feel unwelcome EVEN OUTSIDE. 

        You thought they were unfriendly before? Do you really think removing resources for those most vulnerable and in need in our community helps the situation?

        As others have said, Bravo.

    • Ken November 6, 2020 (8:25 am)

      Has Lora or the Junction committee done anything to offer help or shelter to the park Unsheltered? Or just demanded the city remove the hygiene station? I worry the entire junction just became the new hygiene station.

  • Joesph November 5, 2020 (11:25 pm)

    Good news, but L O N G overdue.

  • Peter November 5, 2020 (11:38 pm)

    I just want to say how wonderful it is in this time of pandemic for the city to make it harder for people already surviving under difficult conditions to access basic sanitation. Bravo!

    • Erithan November 6, 2020 (12:47 am)

      Justa note, here is a porta potty by the buses already. They also used to be allowed to use the qfc bathroom, but trashed it so often they had to close it off, they’d even set it on fire once.

      • andy November 6, 2020 (5:50 am)

        My wife and I have stopped shopping at the QFC because of the occupants of the park. Hopefully, the removal of the hygiene station will have a positive effect.

  • Mike November 6, 2020 (12:19 am)

    Next, remove that music player.

    • Erithan November 6, 2020 (12:49 am)

      Any chance you mean the guy with an electric guitar and an amp that gets cranked so high I can hear it a block away with my windows closed and ac running?

      • West Seattle Mad Sci Guy November 10, 2020 (6:41 pm)

        No I think the others are referring to the person who sits at the park all day with a radio.  The guitar amplifier guy is special. I didn’t have a problem with radio guy personally but the guitar amp guy was a total …

  • Seabruce November 6, 2020 (2:12 am)

    So where are these people supposed to go now? QFC? Maybe restrooms with attendants working for tips could make it acceptable?

  • Eric on Alki November 6, 2020 (4:44 am)

    This was not a NIMBY issue, many/most people here in WS want to help those without traditional homes. What was happening at this park is something few would get behind. It was enabling bad behavior and encouraging it with the limited police presence.  Many homeless folks are our friends and neighbors, nobody wishes them harm or discomfort.And, have you asked the electric guitar guy to turn down his amp at all? Prolly not. His music is wonderful and appreciated, maybe try to communicate before cutting off things others enjoy.

    • Erithan November 6, 2020 (12:35 pm)

      Electric guitar guy has been asked many times over the last year+ to keep it down, and he refuses. He’s considered a chronic nuisance issue. He doesn’t need an amp cranked like it is. The fact I can hear it a block away with ac fans running and my windows closed says a lot on how loud it is. It’s very hard to work from home and focus (in general) when he does this almost daily with no regard to the people living in the the area. :/

      • Michael Hock November 6, 2020 (5:27 pm)

        It’s very hard to work from home and focus (in general) when he does this almost daily with no regard to the people living in the the area. :/”Wow, imagine how hard it is to be living in the street during a pandemic and having a resource taken away from you. Find some empathy, please.

        • Erithan November 7, 2020 (1:46 am)

          No one said he was living on the street, he busks, the problem is he cranks up an amp to a level it can be heard as far as a block away… He’s always simply been asked to turned it down… I don’t think that’s much to ask, he doesn’t need an amp, let alone have it cranked that high.

          • A place to be November 7, 2020 (6:27 am)

            This is part of living in the city, and especially in neighborhood centers. Have you tried ear plugs?

            Buskers perform to make money, it is their work. It is too much to ask them to quiet down because it bothers you.

            If busking is not allowed where or when they are performing, well then you can probably call in a noise complaint.

          • Erithan November 7, 2020 (1:53 pm)

            It’s a block away… it doesn’t need to be that loud, and he has woken me up through ear plugs for the record. People near where he is can hear it fine without the amp cranked. Why is it bad for those of us living here who have to hear it day in and day out to ask for it to be turned down so it’s not traveling super far? No one is asking for him to stop, just to be courteous if the fact people live here too. It’s absurd to have 2 ac fans on, windows closed, a headset, and music at an entire block away and still be able to hear it day after day for hours on end. He does not need it -that- loud. But I’ve made my point, I don’t see a need to keep arguing.

          • A place to be November 7, 2020 (5:00 pm)

            I don’t live in the Junction so can’t say I’ve been subjected to this like you have. But, I do know that buskers need to be loud, louder than you probably understand, to be heard over cars and all other activity in the area, to draw any listeners and make any money. Maybe he really is playing exceedingly loud, but just sharing this for you to consider.

            I wonder what Glen Hansard would say if you asked him to quiet down while busking.

          • David November 9, 2020 (8:38 pm)

            Weird, I’ve worked less than a block away (with an open door a few feet away) for most of two years and I’ve never even heard him. I guess my ears and/or auditory processing centers (or some other part of the brain) aren’t as sensitive.

          • West Seattle Mad Sci Guy November 10, 2020 (6:48 pm)

            The other guy isn’t exaggerating. The guy would do it at 11:30 pm and max out his amp. I never once thought he was busking. Just being a jerk because he could like the folks that kick over scooters. As someone who lived across the street for years til a month ago I can tell you the defenders don’t understand the antics at this park. A few weeks ago they took all the TP out and stacked the chairs on top of the porta potty and were shouting at passers by (coherently and targeted. This particular guy isn’t crazy). All the folks claiming Nimbyism I don’t think actually knows what goes on here.  It wasn’t folks peaceably living or incoherent crazy people (a couple are borderline.  Esp if they are using at that moment). What people are describing in part are sane homeless people who are just being total jerkholes for fun.

  • Colonel Mustard's Wrench November 6, 2020 (5:55 am)

    How do we as a city want to deal with mental illness – drug addiction – assault – robbery – theft – property damage – violent intimidation ? 

    We need to figure this out. 
    The situation in Junction Plaza Park was beyond homelessness.

    • David November 9, 2020 (8:44 pm)

      Given what I’ve seen SPD doing on your behalf, it looks like everything after “drug addiction” was an answer to “How do we as a city want to deal with [homelessness]”.It takes a special kind of person to see people living in Amazonvilles (the new Hoovervilles) with nothing but tents and ragged clothes, and decide the best way to handle it is by sending cops in to periodically tear it all down and throw it away, and arrest / beat the h*** out of them if they protest.

  • Junction Lady November 6, 2020 (6:39 am)

    Thank you for removing those obnoxious fixtures from our small park.

  • payattention November 6, 2020 (6:43 am)

    So, David. Tell us what YOU are doing.

    • David November 9, 2020 (8:48 pm)

      “Not calling the cops like they’re customer service” is a good start.

      I’m not wealthy, and I have no power to force the people who are wealthy to pay their taxes. But you can bet your b**t I’m working to exchange their local govt stooges for people who will make them pay their taxes.

  • Joan November 6, 2020 (7:17 am)

    It’s a shame that we can’t have a public hygiene station without it leading to such a negative takeover of the area. But that’s what always happens.

    • Kim November 6, 2020 (5:15 pm)

      Now people make sure you watch where you step! And don’t complain if you see people going to the bathroom in public view!

      • A place to be November 6, 2020 (7:04 pm)

        Can we really blame these folks if they start defecating in West Seattle’s beautiful and special and deserving bushes, now that their most accessible bathroom has disappeared?

        • WSB November 6, 2020 (7:39 pm)

          Please read the story. There is a longstanding publicly accessible toilet barely a block west. Before the hygiene stations were installed, one of just a handful in the city, in fact, funded and maintained by the city. We learned late today BTW that the sink from the hygiene station has been moved to be adjacent to that toilet (updating the story shortly).

  • vee November 6, 2020 (8:33 am)

    This isn’t about not caring  its about illegal a activity and safetyThere was open drinking and drugs and trash and violence and property damageThe park wasn’t safe for anyone else to use Also a health hazard with covid,no one wore masks and were in very close  contact If these things weren’t happening then no problem but there are laws

  • WW Resident November 6, 2020 (9:13 am)

    Shocked

  • wsperson November 6, 2020 (10:09 am)

    What if Fortune 500 companies had to pay taxes at the same rate that we do? What if we used that money to actually help people?

  • MM November 6, 2020 (6:33 pm)

    So did removing the hygiene stations solve the drug use, drinking and safety/threat problems?  Or are the people that hang out at that park still there business as usual?

  • A place to be November 6, 2020 (6:55 pm)

    One of the interesting things I’ve noticed in the conversations here about the people and issues in the park, is the accusations of these park people being aggressive, intimidating, threatening… yet many of the commenters here, not necessarily on this post but definitely in others, have exemplified this, some even suggested ‘taking matters into their own hands.’ 

    Things that make you go, hmmmm…

    • Joseph November 7, 2020 (12:01 am)

      I wouldn’t call innocent people protecting themselves from felony assault and battery to be “taking matters into their own hands”.

      • A place to be November 7, 2020 (5:09 pm)

        I’m not talking about acting in self defense, I’m talking about frustrated commenters (not people who were actually assaulted) who have threatened ‘taking matters into their own hands’ if the city doesn’t have the park people removed from the park.

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