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For those seeking Nicholas Francisco search updates

February 19, 2008 12:10 pm
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Our visitor logs show a sizable number of people landing here as the result of web searches for information on the search, since our previous reports show fairly high in Google results, so we’re summarizing the latest. missingmanfoto.jpgFirst – to recap – Nicholas Francisco is a SeaTac man who disappeared after leaving his Queen Anne job last Wednesday; he and his family attended Mars Hill-West Seattle until recently, so we’ve reported on the search (original post with the full-color search flyer is here) because of his WS ties. Last major development reported publicly was the discovery of his car at a Federal Way condo complex yesterday morning – here’s what’s come out since then: This site posted an “official update” from relatives/searchers last night; this KOMO report quotes authorities as saying the car was seen in different parking spots at the complex before they impounded it yesterday; the KIRO noon TV news report we just watched said authorities didn’t find any signs of “foul play” during their first search of the car and are deciding what to do next.

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  • PSPS February 19, 2008 (2:36 pm)

    I wonder why they didn’t just watch the car for a while to see if anyone (perhaps even Nicholas himself) came to use it. If, indeed, it was in different spots in the lot, then someone in the complex is involved in this one way or another.

  • flowerpetal February 19, 2008 (3:19 pm)

    Perhaps who ever was moving the car about discovered that it was being watched and then stopped using it. I wouldn’t presume that someone in the complex was involved just because it was in that parking lot. People misuse parking lots frequently; even when there are signs posted about enforced towing. Large apartment complexes often don’t have someone to keep track of such things in the way that other businesses do.
    Am I the only one a little suspicious about this disappearance?

  • k February 19, 2008 (4:30 pm)

    flowerpetal-you are not the only one.

  • credmond February 19, 2008 (4:46 pm)

    No, you are not alone in believing there is more to this story than first meets the eye. The fact that the car was found gives us some insight, what, I’m not sure. Was Nicholas abducted by someone. Did he lead two lives, one we know about and another we’re about to learn about. Was this a “get me out of Dodge” play because Nicholas thought he was in too deep (family growing, long daily commute, recent issues with his faith?). Sounds like a developing plot on X Files or maybe one of those socially-conscious episodes of the Outer Limits. Fascinating, to be sure. Plus, with so little to go on, the speculation quotient on this story is way up there.

  • Agnes February 19, 2008 (5:39 pm)

    For a community blog, the callousness of comments here is amazing. I’m sure your speculation that he ran off to his secret life is like a knife in the back of the scores of loved ones who know him and know better. I don’t even want to put into words the more likely option with which his family and friends daily struggle to comprehend.

  • WSB February 19, 2008 (6:04 pm)

    I said it in another thread: During my many years in “old media,” of course speculation always runs in circles around newsrooms regarding such cases. And every time anyone dares to be too skeptical, the end result of the case either turns out to be a tragedy, or a near-tragedy, such as the case of Tanya Rider. The only thing we can do is take it at face value: A man is missing, his family doesn’t know where he is, keep an eye out and if you see/hear anything, call police.

  • PSPS February 19, 2008 (7:39 pm)

    Flowerpetal:

    When I said “I wonder why they didn’t just watch the car for a while to see if anyone (perhaps even Nicholas himself) came to use it,” I meant the cops. Then they’d have that person, who could certainly shed some light on this whole matter.

  • credmond February 19, 2008 (10:45 pm)

    I’m not being callous, Agnes. I’m being skeptical and filling in the blanks. I’ve seen this poster in the most unlikely of places. The family, the former church, the media, the authorities are all pushing this. What do they expect will result from this constant exposure to the same set of skimpy facts? Of course speculation will result. Perhaps some of the speculation will have a ring of truth and cause an un-related event/item to be linked. Who knows, but to disparage an open and honest discussion of what the frick is going on here is really disingenuous. Here you are purporting to know the “likely” option. You have no more clue than I do. After the last several sets of “missing” persons hereabouts, I’ve got more reason to be skeptical of the “obvious” outcome than you do to suggest this is someone being taken against their will for bad reasons. Why would that be true? Did he have a lot of money?
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    Open questions of a public situation is what happens when there is a public forum.
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    Of course we could all be quiet and wait for the facts of the case to be uncovered/resolved. How would that help find Nicholas? When you have no idea, you throw everything you can think of on the table – it’s a mystery. What’s your take? It’s almost as if you’re suggesting there is some evil bad guy out there plucking husbands/fathers out of their cars on their way home from work? How likely is that?

  • CB February 20, 2008 (7:52 am)

    Credmond,

    You are being callous. A loved person is missing. His Family is desperately trying to find him. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you feel if a loved one disappeared w/o a trace? Your comments serve no purpose.

  • nants February 20, 2008 (8:18 am)

    When I saw the poster on a walk in Alki after seeing the piece on the news, I thought the same thing…a possibility of something akin to a second life or owing someone a large amt of $…I hope I am wrong and that he is found alive but I also think it is normal to speculate things like this as so often it turns out to be the outcome…My heart goes out to his wife and children.

  • Huindekmi February 20, 2008 (10:45 am)

    Any chance that he fell into a gully on Tiger mountain, hit his head and was knocked unconscious only to wake up three days later and walk out without a scratch or bruise on him? It’s been known to happen.

  • Christine Francisco February 20, 2008 (12:37 pm)

    Credmond:
    if you aren’t willing to help find my husband then please stay out of it. I don’t need to hear your ridiculous thoughts. My husband wouldn’t leave me or his children. He wouldn’t lead a double life, he’s too busy for that anyway. He loves us all with all of his heart. He is excited about his new baby and didn’t feel overwhelmed in the sense you are describing. How dare you be so cruel to us during this time.

  • Tam February 20, 2008 (12:48 pm)

    Christine:
    Hope you can ignore the negative comments and stay focused on your family. I can’t imagine what your week has been like, but know that you are not alone.
    The Etsy community is spreading the word everywhere we can.

  • misty February 20, 2008 (1:31 pm)

    A “sensitivity chip” seems to be missing with CRedmond. I have noticed it before in some of his other comments on other topics….I am thinking in particular of his response to the recent untimely death of our beloved Angelia Paulsen who was tragically killed in a car crash.

  • Jen February 20, 2008 (2:03 pm)

    Christine – Please know that for every 1 of those like credmond, there are hundreds of us that are praying and holding onto hope for Nicholas and your family.

    Credmond – “Of course we could all be quiet and wait for the facts of the case to be uncovered/resolved. How would that help find Nicholas?” I fail to see how you could consider your own speculations “helping”. I’ll leave it at that.

  • credmond February 20, 2008 (4:36 pm)

    A “sensitivity chip” seems to be missing with CRedmond. I have noticed it before in some of his other comments on other topics….I am thinking in particular of his response to the recent untimely death of our beloved Angelia Paulsen who was tragically killed in a car crash.
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    So, Misty, go back and find ANY comment I made on that tragic event. You’re lying. Plain and simple. I made no comment, a search of the WSB archives will prove that. You’re engaging in character assassination for no apparent reason other than you don’t like my skepticism associated with this latest missing individual. Good job, you’re a verified and bona fide miscreant. I am merely skeptical and you all don’t like the skepticism. You don’t think there is something suspicious about this? You’re delusional at best and bigots and liars at worst. Keep it up.
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    For every one of me there are actually hundreds more just like me who are questioning the legitimacy of this “search.” You obviously don’t get around your neighborhood much. You’re the one’s who are narrow-minded, not me. I’m at least trying to come up with some reason why this disappearance occurred and what the determining elements might be.
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    Like I said before, no previous missing person has had this much prepared material in such a short time and no previous missing person in this city has had this level of reward posted so quickly and raised again so quickly.
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    Jen, it really doesn’t matter whether or not my speculations are helping. Your prayers are NOT helping so we’re even.

  • credmond February 20, 2008 (4:41 pm)

    A “sensitivity chip” seems to be missing with CRedmond. I have noticed it before in some of his other comments on other topics….I am thinking in particular of his response to the recent untimely death of our beloved Angelia Paulsen who was tragically killed in a car crash.
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    Misty, do a search on WSB and find ANY comment I made on that tragedy. There isn’t any because I didn’t comment. Care to apologize now?

  • misty February 20, 2008 (4:44 pm)

    CRedmond — the reason why you can’t find any comment linked to your name is because you used to use the name “chasredmond” and I noticed that after your comment in poor taste you opted to change your user name.

  • flowerpetal February 20, 2008 (4:45 pm)

    Christine. I am sorry, it was I who opened up the door to this horribly insensitive talk. I grieve too your unthinkable situation; and when people grieve we sometimes say inappropriate things. My apologies and prayers are with you, Nicholas, and your loved ones.

  • misty February 20, 2008 (4:51 pm)

    Oh, and Chas — I remember being so disgusted with your comment on that tragedy and when I looked back a few days later, I noticed that your comment had been removed. Perhaps you contacted WSB after realizing how inappropriate it was? That is just speculation. But I did find it ironic that after that comment you changed your name……

  • misty February 20, 2008 (5:27 pm)

    Sorry to keep going on this, but CRedmond, you are so right that I owe you an apology!! As some on this site would say, I have behaved like an ass clown. I fear that I have confused you with someone else — when I looked back at the comments that I was referring to, I realized I was talking about someone who shortened his user name after having his comment removed. His name also started with a C. He, too, is a frequent poster with strong convictions. Please accept my apology in associating you with this tragedy.

  • JRC February 20, 2008 (9:08 pm)

    Christine is there any way to donate to the reward fund.
    Praying for you and your family
    JRC ( we Attend MarsHill West Seattle)

  • VETERANSCREATIONS February 20, 2008 (10:42 pm)

    To those of you who are kindhearted and don’t want to sit around and do nothing, please go to etsy.com and search the public forums. There are a ton of threads in that community that are in place to help and support Christine and her family in this time of crisis that her family is going through. Thank You.

  • acemotel February 20, 2008 (10:58 pm)

    Venomous comments about credmond are uncalled for. He is neither callous nor cruel. He is speculating, as are many many others.

    This story is out in the public arena and the public is bound to think about it and try to understand an event that has so many missing pieces. Anyone who is interested in this story will try to make sense of it.

    Undoubtedly, the family and friends are distraught and grieving, but there’s no reason to lash out in anger at a member of the public who is trying to understand an incomprehensible story that has been in the news daily for almost a week. There are some unkind and thoughtless comments in other media, i.e. comment section of the daily paper or the blog at the weekly arts paper (before comments were disabled), and credmond is not one of those.

  • credmond February 20, 2008 (11:07 pm)

    Misty, I accept. And, honestly, please don’t think I”m being callous. I’m being skeptical because of a few elements which do not connect properly. I am completely sympathetic and sorrowful over the affect, impact and personal loss this is having on Nicholas’ family (nuclear, primary and extended), on his fellow workers and friends and acquaintances. And, now, on all the rest of us…we’ve become involved.
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    I’m skeptical because this is an unusual event – husbands and fathers of regular habit and reliable demeanor do not suddenly go missing. The number of these cases is fantastically small compared to any other kind of “missing” person – kids, skiers, kayakers, whoever. The immediacy of the professional class missing-person poster and the distribution of same both physically and via the net was unusual, even for a tech-savvy population. The completeness of the story so early in the game somehow doesn’t ring true to me. The speed with which a substantial reward was posted and the upping of that reward within a very short period is also unusual for people not on the FBI’s most wanted list or for some other reason are involved with Federal authorities (notwithstanding the fact that there may be an FBI kidnapping case here).
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    Don’t underestimate even uninvolved individuals’ abilities to deduce what’s plausible and what isn’t. In fact, in some ways, uninvolved, third-party, individuals may be in a better position to estimate the probability of validity for facts. I’ve been in the jury box for a number of involved cases and ordinary humans have amazing deductive capabilities when presented with even a handful of facts. The fact that these facts don’t add up to something “ordinary” is one of these deductions.
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    This is disappearance without a trace – such events are truly rare in our modern communications history. That, to me, suggests there’s more to this than meets the eye – my original post, I believe. The odd and sundry possible scenarios which I posted to match the facts weren’t a callous lessening of the gravity of the situation nor a dismissal of the feelings of those involved. It was a public discourse to elicit responses on the probability of the “other” possibilities. And, as I mentioned, this may or may not lead to something, but not to discuss this is to ignore any number of possibilities which are either valid or are not.
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    Peace!

  • PK February 21, 2008 (6:18 pm)

    Because there is another missing man who disappeared right around the same time as Nicolas, it makes me wonder why police aren’t looking into the possibility that these cases may be linked. I see little to nothing mentioned about the other missing man. Perhaps nothing is mentioned to ward off hysteria.

  • Christine Francisco February 21, 2008 (9:05 pm)

    credmond
    are you a detective by profession? do you have information about this case? do you know our family? If you answered no to any or all the questions then please quit posting about my husband. Your speculation is not welcome or is it needed. the police are doing their job. If you think you can do it better than them then give them a call. Otherwise please just keep your OPINION to yourself as you do not have all the facts and you are not working on this case.

  • Mel February 21, 2008 (9:26 pm)

    Is this really Christine Francisco posting? Not that there’s any real way to tell, but it just seems a little suspect that she’d be on the West Seattle Blog, seeing as she doesn’t even live in West Seattle, firing off harsh, defensive comments at any comment less than optimistic. Anyway, I’m calling your bluff, and I think you should stop posing ASAP… You’re making the real CF look bad.

  • WSB February 21, 2008 (9:26 pm)

    Ms. Francisco, with all due respect and sympathy, this is our site and that reader is as welcome to post as you are. We have a comment policy that is spelled out on our “about” page and it has not been violated. While some other news sites around the city seem to be dropping off this story, we intend to continue with periodic updates, and they are bound to bring comments; regardless of whether or not other readers consider them helpful, they are part of how this site works (and most other news/discussion sites), though reading them is optional – our home-page news updates can be read without the extra click required to read comments.

  • AbbieRoad February 21, 2008 (11:06 pm)

    praying for Nick’s safe return.

    For the person who asked about assisting with reward money –
    here’s some info that may help:

    A fund has been set up to assist the Francisco family. Donations may be made at any Washington Mutual branch in the name of the “Nicholas Francisco Family Fund”.

  • acemotel February 22, 2008 (2:48 am)

    The real Mrs. Francisco cooperated with Greta Van Sustern (sp?) who made a lot of allusions to other possibilities in Mr. Francisco’s disappearance: money problems? unhappiness? job problems? Mrs. Francisco answered her queries without the incredulity and affront she reserves for WSB. Theories are just as appropriate in the local press as they are on national TV.

  • mumof6 February 22, 2008 (6:22 am)

    I have read a few reports of this man who has gone missing, it is strange that he just dissapears, also strange that there is so much hype surrounding it. Strange that the wife is on all the message boards on every news report I have read on the net having a go at people who dare to pose a view different to the one she wants other to have. How could she possibly have time with 2 littlies to look after? Or even the wherewithall, if my husband was missing the last thing I would be doing is surfing the net day and night. I would be a crying mess on my bed with my family looking after the kids.
    To me…. this looks staged. Money problems? maybe he has a life insurance policy? I don’t know, but if the wife is to constantly bring this into the public forum, then the public should be free to comment as they see fit and not be subjected to abuse because their opinions differ.
    I feel sorry for the kids, they are the victims in all this sorry mess.

  • bjones February 22, 2008 (11:00 am)

    I just read thru these comments- and I have to commend the posters- these are the most intelligent comments I have seen to date. credmond, you are very well spoken and I applaud the fact that you have raised the questions you have.

  • Christine Francisco February 22, 2008 (11:45 am)

    go ahead and believe what you like, you will anyway. the only reason i am on the news is to find my husband and that is it. I can’t care for my kids right now i have family and friends here caring for me and my kids. I sit on my couch unable to function only to leave if i have to be on the news to help bring my husband home. I am dieing inside and there are no rules on how one is to handle a situation. at this point anything i do will seem wrong to someone. I know with all of my hear that my husband did not run out on us. God knows that too. what frustrates me is people speak without all the facts. I believe all the speculation, from anyone, to be disrespectful and just cruel. I am done defending myself and my husband to you. you all think what you want to anyway without thought for others so what is the point.

  • T February 22, 2008 (12:21 pm)

    God bless you Christine. You are doing wonderful. You are strong and show amazing poise and grace. You are constantly in my prayers.

  • marie February 22, 2008 (12:22 pm)

    Between 35% and 45% of adults who go missing DO NOT want to be found. Keep that in mind. I would not be surprised if he just took off because he can’t handle things. I can certain understand why people would do that.

  • Moni February 22, 2008 (12:29 pm)

    Christine, I am praying for you and your family. You are doing all that you can to bring your husband home. Don’t listen to all the people who have no empathy. You know your husband, and they don’t. Don’t allow their comments to get you down. Stay positive, you have many people praying for you, Nicholas and your children.

  • linda February 22, 2008 (12:34 pm)

    no need to read this stuff christine…just spend your energy finding your husband and working with people who have the same goal.

    don’t waste energy on negative stuff…you have enough to deal with.

    Go give your kids a hug , eat something nutritious and go find him girl !!

  • abfoley February 22, 2008 (12:35 pm)

    The reason that this case is in the media is because authorities are trying to find Nicholas and the exposure could help, not so that people can make accusations and speculations as to the validity of his disappearance. You should be ashamed of yourselves. What has damaged you in your lives that you jump to such negative conclusions about this family that you do not even know? That you would commend each other for being filled with animosity and contrite television drama cliches is horribly mean spirited. Sending you positive thoughts, Christine.

  • Button222 February 22, 2008 (12:42 pm)

    Between 35% and 45% of adults who go missing DO NOT want to be found. Keep that in mind. I would not be surprised if he just took off because he can’t handle things. I can certain understand why people would do that.
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    I agree…I think this is either a situation like you mentioned….or a scam for money. Sorry I feel this way, but I do. People on Etsy are NOT helping this woman by candy coating everything….she has to face reality soon.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (12:44 pm)

    This is quite possibly the most insensitive and ignorant thing that I have had to read in a long time.
    First and foremost, Mel, I think you might want to check yourself on whether or not you have the right to decide what is the right way to handle things, and what is not. For lack of a better way to say it, you need to grow up and learn what the majority of us did in our early 20’s…everyone is different, everyone handles things differently, and no one gets to pin right or wrong on the way that someone handles a personal tradegy.
    Credmond, your vocabulary and almost impeccable grammar are fascinating to read, however, your words ARE callous.

    I just want people to remember something. We really need to be careful about remembering why someone would post this missing person info on the blog…the main point is to get the word out and see if anyone has any leads. Using it to right about your personal speculations is simply wasted time and writing space.
    There are professional detectives that have definitely beat you guys to the punch on the speculating side of things, and you can rest easy knowing that someone is on top of things.
    Keep it to yourself.

  • Kmcintyre February 22, 2008 (12:49 pm)

    There are indeed many many people who know and care about this family. And there are many others who feel a connection with them without really never having met them. Being that Christine is a seller on Etsy, literally HUNDREDS of fellow Etsy sellers from around the globe that feel connected to her have gathered together on the internet en masse. Many Etsians in the Seattle area met and participated in local searches, and assisted in printing and posting fliers. Hundreds of Etsians from all over are raising much needed funds for the family, writing and contacting news agencies and TV hosts, posting information on blogs, forming prayer circles, and keeping in contact and supporting Christine during this terrible time. This greatly added support in addition to their extended family, the great people who work with Nicholas, and others is how this story got into the local and national media so quickly, and why fliers are posted literally everywhere. With strong support like this, great things can happen and word spreads like wildfire. I know that we all as supporters won’t give up until Nicholas is found. Christine is a lovely lovely intelligent woman and this is a loving and wonderful family. Please support them in keeping your eyes and ears open and hoping for Nicholas’ safe return. Thank you.

  • sadly February 22, 2008 (12:52 pm)

    Christine, just get away from all of this. This is not the place for you.

    Blogs are for people who like to live other peoples’ lives. They need to get their own. They have no idea what it would be like to have a loved one disappear and to have to deal with it themselves.

    They like to watch others. And judge them.

    So, everyone, continue. Watch and judge. Enjoy.

  • sadly February 22, 2008 (12:53 pm)

    Oh, and one other thing.

    May it never happen to any of you.

  • acemotel February 22, 2008 (1:00 pm)

    The comments on this blog are incredibly respectful. If you want to see some real cruel comments, go to the blogs of the city’s daily or the national press. If this were the family’s blog, or the search party blog, it may not be appropriate for people to speculate, but it isn’t. Why isn’t the same ire directed at those other blogs? Why are the insults reserved for WSB? Why weren’t Greta Van Sustern’s speculations met with anger and affront? Why didn’t Mrs. Francisco accuse Greta Van Sustern of being callous and insensitive? It looks like this forum has turned in to a vehicle for the friends of Mrs. Francisco to vent their grievances and hurt and pain. and p.s. No one needs to feel ashamed of themselves!

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (1:02 pm)

    One of the things I find most unsettling is that in all of the interviews Christine has done, I have yet to actually see tears. I have seen her look like she is crying, even breaking down. There are no TEARS! She can also go from “breaking down” straight into talking normally as if she is talking about her grocery list.
    Has anyone else noticed this?
    I really dont mean to be cruel but this really bothers me.

  • Julie February 22, 2008 (1:18 pm)

    “The immediacy of the professional class missing-person poster and the distribution of same both physically and via the net was unusual, even for a tech-savvy population.”
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    Hilarious. Nicholas works for an ad agency. I guess it would be highly improbable that any of his colleagues could turn out a “professional class” poster, especially so quickly! I also guess that oh, even ten people couldn’t duplicate and distribute hundreds or thousands of these in even a day’s work? And there is a HUGE mass of people on Etsy supporting Christine who couldn’t get the word out in emails and where ever else they post online, right? Oh, and let’s not forget the tons of emails and phone calls those guys made to get this on the national news. I’m sure that had nothing to do with the story going national. It must just be some conspiracy.

    If you’re gonna speculate, at least speculate intelligently. There’s a fine line between playing the devil’s advocate and just looking cruel and stupid.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (1:18 pm)

    Acemotel, Greta Van Sustern’s JOB is do that. A detective’s job is to speculate.
    The general public’s JOB is to put their best foot forward and help in any way that they can…not sit here on a blog that was DESIGNED TO SPREAD THE WORD and post their speculations that have absolutely no positive impact on the situation at hand.

  • sewphisticate February 22, 2008 (1:23 pm)

    speculation and doubt are human nature. the question has been raised about the posters and all the immediate exposure and the raising of award money…do none of you realize that Christine has dedicated her entire life and purpose to finding out what happened to her husband?! i belong to the etsy community and there are many, many, many of us who are donating our time, energy, products and our own money to Christine during this horrific ordeal. what would you do if one of your loved ones suddenly disappeared? if you HAD to raise money quickly, would you be able to do it? i know i could just by selling off the stuff in my own house.

    i know that if my own dear husband disappeared suddenly, the very first thing is would do is put together all the most recent pictures i could find and plaster them everywhere i could think of. wouldn’t you!? wouldn’t you do anything you could think of to get attention brought in the case of a missing loved one?

    yes, sudden disappearance of a middle class working man is unusual…exactly! it’s unusual! shouldn’t that make people sit up and go ‘what the…?’ and then start looking for him? his co-workers have said he’s a go-straight-home kind of guy. he spoke to his 4 yo daughter and was running an errand for his wife. YES! it looks suspicious! he loved his wife and his family and he has vanished! that is friggin suspicious! and needs to be looked at with the sincerety and gravity is deserves!

    please, try to put yourselves in Christine’s shoes. it’s been a week of terror and dealing with the unknown. she is exhausted, scared, hurt, lonely and probably getting angry about the whole situation. which is normal. but to attack her because she is defending her husband and the investigation surrounding his disappearance is callous and cruel.

    i won’t argue against the human tendancy to look for reasons and, yes, when someone disappears, there is always a question of ‘did he just leave?’…especially without any evidence to the contrary. but i, personally, believe and trust in Christine’s assessment of her relationship with her husband and his devotion to his family. Christine is surrounded by a very large supportive group. we have worked hard to post information about her missing husband everywhere we have access to. we are a world wide internet commerce site and we have the capability of moving informtion quickly and thoroughly because that’s what we do to promote our business. we have set our businesses aside in order to promote the search for Nicholas. God willing he will be found safe and returned to his wife and children immediately. but if, and i hate to even suggest it, but IF he has fallen prey to a violent act and is unable to return home, then we should all pray for him and Christine and their children. and shame on all who have publically denounced a man unknown to them.

  • Button222 February 22, 2008 (1:28 pm)

    Oh, and one other thing.

    May it never happen to any of you.
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    Ya know it has happened to me. That is why I think she needs to begin thinking along these lines. My husband took off and left me with a little girl in leg braces….so dont think all men are lily white.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (1:29 pm)

    well button22, I guess we now finally know why you seem so angry and mean.

  • Button222 February 22, 2008 (1:30 pm)

    Molly, that is 100% correct. I am cynical and not very trusting of guys…sorry.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (1:35 pm)

    I feel for you Button22. I hate it that anyone would ever go through something like that, and I can imagine why you are angry and cynical.
    However, spewing your negativity at others is going to make you feel better about what happened to you, and it isn’t going to make your mistrust towards guys legitimate.

    You should know how it feels and be telling Christine to be strong in a situation that could go either way, and that speculating and thinking about the worst case scenario is really not going to help anyone, including herself.

    Take your experience and challenge yourself with it. Rise above it.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (1:37 pm)

    correction:
    spewing your negativity at others ISN’T going to make you feel better about what happened to you, and it isn’t going to make your mistrust towards guys legitimate.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (1:45 pm)

    jlsan, yes, I also noticed the lack of tears while seemingly to break down and it did bother me too. And I don’t understand all these plugs about Etsy. What has that got to do with anything and how is that going to help find her husband?

    Button222, I’m so sorry that this situation happened to you. And I’m sorry that the compassion Christine’s friends are so eager to share with everyone didn’t extend to you with that jab about you being angry and mean. But then again, they have no compassion or civility for anyone who dares question the situation with legitimate concerns.

  • genevieve February 22, 2008 (2:03 pm)

    In the early 80’s a close family friend decided to take a walk – she didn’t come home. She was a mother of 4, loving wife, member of the PTA, pillar of the community – none ever suspected the truth that would come out a year later. She walked away from what most considered the perfect life because she just could not cope with being what everyone thought she should be.
    They found her, living an alternate life that she had been building for years – a safe place to go, a physical change in appearance, money – a brand new start. There wasn’t a trace of evidence to lead her there – she made herself known after she was sure that she could face us all again.

    The questions raise here – these are questions that none of us would even entertain, and those that did were crucified because of it. Family and friends were torn apart over questions about things that “didn’t fit”. As cruel as so many of you may think it is – these questions are questions that were asked long before all these detective shows cropped up.

    I am sad to say that I did not want to believe that there were things that could not be accounted for in her actions – and in the end it was devestating to know the truth. We would not allow ourselves to accept that there might be something to what was so obvious to those that were on the outside looking in.

    I have seen cruelty abound in my long life – but not here. These questions are well thought out and valid questions. The thoughts and well wishes are honest and meaningful. Family and friends that try to shut down the public questions are only adding fuel to the fire – that maybe there really is more to it, whether they know it or not.

  • Molly February 22, 2008 (2:19 pm)

    my word!
    the possibility of many different scenarios is NOT being ignored!
    I just don’t see the point in bringing them up! I mean seriously, leave it to the detectives!

  • Julie February 22, 2008 (2:22 pm)

    And I don’t understand all these plugs about Etsy. What has that got to do with anything and how is that going to help find her husband?
    ——————————————————————
    They’re not plugs. We don’t give a damn about anything except Christine finding her husband. The point in bringing it up is that there are tons of people there rallying around to support her and help her (including several who live near her and are helping search), unlike some of the folks here who have nothing supportive to say or do at all. I personally brought it up to clarify the point that there ARE lots of people online who have the ability to spread information about Nicholas like wildfire. That’s all.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (2:35 pm)

    Genevieve, very eloquent and sad post. Thank you for sharing.

    I’m really disturbed by the friends of Christine attacking anyone who brings up other possibities other than foul play. The name calling I’ve seen here and on other sites is really uncalled for.

    Why is it when someone posts here that they question some of the aspects of this case they are called non-supportive or cruel and ignorant and should not post their thoughts? Accused of not having anything to do or don’t have their own lives. It really is giving you guys a bad name because it’s happening everywhere.

    It’s great y’all are being supportive and helping this family, but don’t taint that by bashing anyone who brings up valid concerns. You really undermine your cause when you do that.

  • david February 22, 2008 (2:42 pm)

    i have been following this story on etsy for days. from the start i have been very suspect of the story – i donated to the fund for dawn’s boys (another etsian killed in a motorcycle accident in mid december) and i found it odd that within two days of this man’s disappearance that solicitations were already being made by someone on behalf of this family – that christine “desperately” needs money…etc. many etsians have rallied to the cause – i am not one of them.
    i truly hope that this man is found safe and sound and if so, i will feel horribly for my suspicions. but i have found christine’s tv appearances to be odd and as a poster above noted, strangely without emotion. i truly hope this isn’t a scam, but i do have to say i am sceptical.

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (3:01 pm)

    David, I have been following this on etsy as well. What is really disturbing on those threads are the ladies who have given up their entire lives for someone they have never met. They will stay up all night to “babysit the thread”. Some of them have given way to hysterics. I am sorry that her husband is missing but the total lack of tears from the wife has raised red flags all over the place for me.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (3:15 pm)

    Well, I won’t begrudge anyone who wants to give up their lives as you say, for someone they’ve never met. But I was shocked at the way some would go after people simply because they expressed concern about the whole situation.

    Soliciting money two days after someone is missing seems a bit odd to me. And the apparent lack of oversight of the “funds” is a little questionable too. I know there were problems with the funds for Dawn’s Boys. That apparently has been resolved, fortunately.

    They can do whatever they like as far as I’m concerned, but don’t try to silence other people who have different opinions about this case.

  • hmmm February 22, 2008 (3:16 pm)

    The lack of tears… what is the implication? That they are in on this together and she knows where he is? What a troubling thought, that two people — parents, no less — would conspire to gain from such a tragic story, and watch as family and friends give their all to try and find someone who has “disappeared into thin air.” And yet, if they are not in it together and her responses and lack of emotion seem unusual, then what does that leave? That she has been lying about his disappearance? That in fact she may have been involved in some sort of “foul play” herself against him? I have wondered if any of her statements have been confirmed by others, especially on that last day of contact. Did anyone at work hear him say “ok, honey, I’ll be home soon to bake cookies right after I stop at Costco”? It seems strange that the police and media have been taking her word on everything. I fervently hope that they and the private detectives are digging much deeper than what they have shown so far.

  • acemotel February 22, 2008 (3:18 pm)

    >>The general public’s JOB is to put their best foot forward and help in any way that they can…

    Molly, you must be very young if you presume to define the job of the general public, in this free-market democracy. IF you feel you can control what the general public does, says, thinks, believes, writes, or publishes, you should run for office, because you would be doing something that hasn’t been done in the history of this country. My suggestion to Mrs. Francisco is to find her support, love, care and hugs in her family and within her community, because it will not come from the “general public” no matter how much we may wish it to be so.

  • praisehim February 22, 2008 (3:19 pm)

    to Donate to the family
    1) fund Name: Nicholas Francisco Benevolent fund
    2) Bank Address: 359 Strander Blvd. Tukwila WA 98188
    3)Routing No.: 325070760
    4)Acc’t No.: 3164699165
    5)International Code: WMSBUS66
    6) Administrator Name and Address: Leslie Buckles, 12367 Southeast 214th Street, Kent, WA 98031

  • david February 22, 2008 (3:28 pm)

    from fox news…

    the past tense is always a troubling tell:

    C. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you’d loved him. And that’s just how it’s always been. That’s why there are so many people looking for him. That’s why we’re all so concerned, because he’s not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he’s very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave. So…

  • TnVol February 22, 2008 (3:44 pm)

    I have been following this story as well and I don’t think that it is wrong at all for anyone here to question or discuss what might have happened.

    People here did not start posting any of this stuff in the forums that are supporting her with nothing but rose colored glasses. I believe that people from those forums and Mrs. Francisco herself came over here and started almost attacking some of the people commenting here.

    I could see everyone at the etsy place acting upset somewhat if people were coming over there and posting mean things, but Mrs. Francisco doesn’t need you guys to protect her from any speculation, because she is seeking out the negative comments herself. As someone posted above, nobody is forced to click on the comments link to read the comments here.

    Some of the posters from the etsy place are trying to run around with a blindfold and shove it over her eyes, well obviously people….she wants to see the comments and confront the speculation or she would not have came here and posted messages.

    She is a woman and came over here on her own, nobody forced her….so there is no need for you to run behind her and start attacking people here. Some people have a mind of their own and just like yall want a place where everyone can wear rose colored glasses, some people want a place that they can be realistic and explore all possibilites of things.

  • mumof6 February 22, 2008 (4:04 pm)

    I find it extremely unsettling that at every turn money is being asked for, I mean, my family would source money for me and so would my husbands. Oh and that leads me to another question…. where are his family in all this? I haven’t seen one news report with his mom or pop or any of the brothers or sisters you would think they might be grieving for their lost son?

  • hmmm February 22, 2008 (4:10 pm)

    His mother was supposed to be interviewed this morning on a national news show. This blog says that a family friend named Matt is going to be going to be making the rounds of news interviews: http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (4:12 pm)

    I agree that the request for money is being pushed hard by a certain group. It seems a little odd to me. The mom was in an interview very early on in this case and seemed to be very very upset. She is the only family member other than the wife that I’ve seen speak.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (4:17 pm)

    Actually, his brother was just on Fox news (live) an hour or so ago. They interviewed him quite thoroughly.

    Christine never asked for money. People on Etsy volunteered to start threads for donations. Repeat, she never asked for it.

    Christine has stated also that this has been horrible on her and also came and posted that she broke down really badly right after the public interviews and “had to be escorted to the green room”.

    This seems to be a case of people being too quick to judge when they don’t know all the facts. Try to be a little kinder and less judgmental.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (4:21 pm)

    Oh, and his brother didn’t break down either and held it together while on air. I guess there must be something “suspicious” about him too. It seems it is so easy for others who are not in their shoes to judge them harshly. How do you know what you would do in any given situation? Natalee Holloway’s mother has spoken many times, eloquently and passionately without breaking down on the news cameras. So has Natalie’s dad. Who are we to judge what is a proper response and what is not? Let the detective’s do their jobs, and the supporter’s to try and help support her in any way they want to.

  • bjones February 22, 2008 (4:29 pm)

    It is true that it seems to be a certain group that is pushing for $$ for Christine, but it is fueled by her own comments when she posts or relays messages about how broke they are. Even in news interviews she cracks jokes at how lame his car is and says that they are broke. I certainly am praying for Nick to be safe and sound, esp for his kids sake…

    here’s a thought for those that dare to think anything besides what is being told to you….

    Mexico?

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (4:46 pm)

    She has not said they are broke. She has said they are no more well off than the average family. They are not rich, but they aren’t poor. Those were her exact comments. Don’t misconstrue something which was not said.

  • bjones February 22, 2008 (5:05 pm)

    on her king5 interview- she certainly does say that they are broke- and pokes fun at the car he was driving- like who would want it…. http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=news there is the link to the video, the same video she seems to almost crack a smile a few times

  • questioning February 22, 2008 (5:07 pm)

    I support anyone who’s lost a loved one, and even more so if it is part of an unsolved case. It must be terrible for the children.

    But I must admit that I was torn between thinking she is strong during the interviews or that their is a lack of emotion.

    The remark about the car bothered me as well.

    I will be careful and hold judgment until much later. innocent until proven guilty !

    I do hope Nicholas comes back , that nothing bad has happened. I don’t wish bad on anyone….

  • ah February 22, 2008 (5:08 pm)

    She did say that HE was shielding her from debt in this paypal account….

    I am getting sick and tired of the name etsy coming up as if we are a collective group and all have the same opinion.

    Nice work guys, schilling your sales with the marketing opp. of “donations”… which helps boost your sales #’s

    If this riles you up, good! Then maybe you know what I mean…

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (5:08 pm)

    Her sister is the one who conveyed to the Etsy folks that this family was in desperate need of financial support. That they were in dire straits before this happened and were near crisis the day after he disappeared. So it did come from a family representative, if not the wife. Then two days later, the wife is on Greta’s show saying that they aren’t well off, but not worse than anyone else. That’s why people are questioning this aspect of the case.

  • questioning February 22, 2008 (5:09 pm)

    anonymous, in one of the interviews she did use the word broke. I believe it was in the one where she said their car was nothing special.

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (5:10 pm)

    anonymous,
    “Christine has stated also that this has been horrible on her and also came and posted that she broke down really badly right after the public interviews and “had to be escorted to the green room”. You also said that his brother did not break down either. Please do tell me, Did his brother PRETEND to cry? Quite honestly that is what Christine has done over and over again. Her statement as you posted above means absolutely nothing. I dont trust people who put on the act of crying and no tears come along with it.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (5:13 pm)

    jlsan, you hit the nail on the head there. Big difference between keeping it together and pretending to cry.

  • deek February 22, 2008 (5:15 pm)

    The no-tears crying bothers me, too. Susan Smith “crying” over her little boys comes to mind every time I watch Christine in these interviews.
    That said, I really, really hope that I am wrong.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (5:15 pm)

    agreed marie…

    This is just all very odd to me. Too many questions rise to make one think that this is just a wife who;s husband went missing and that’s that.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:19 pm)

    I have been following this story as well, and it seems like a possible scam for money as well.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (5:23 pm)

    Was there another missing guy as well? or is that just rumor?

  • questioning February 22, 2008 (5:25 pm)

    there was another man missing, but I believe he’s been found …???

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (5:25 pm)

    I do hope that this isn’t a scam. I do hope nothing bad has happened to Nicholas. I do hope this family will be able to be together again.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (5:26 pm)

    the other guy was indeed found? I didn’t see new coverage.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:26 pm)

    jlsan: how do you know she is “faking” the tears? you were not there first hand. i prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

  • questioning February 22, 2008 (5:27 pm)

    I share your hope ….

    just wondering …any psychics out there ?

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (5:28 pm)

    you can see when she’s on the TV and “breaks down”, there are no tears in the eyes. In one of the earlier local inteviews, she even wiped her face where there wasn’t any tears. I saw that because they had zoomed in on her face. And just for the record, we are just commenting on what we see and have seen.

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (5:28 pm)

    ah, I had also heard that a woman that works at Costco had her husband also go missing. Supposedly this was the same Costco that Nicholas was headed to. I dont know if this was ever confirmed or not.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (5:30 pm)

    Oh, and posting the bank account info up there was not a wise decision. You have put the name of the bank, the routing number and the account number. Did you know that anyone can use that info to have access to the money in that account? You may want to contact the bank and change those numbers now that it has been posted in a public forum.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:32 pm)

    oh for Pete’s sake – let’s just hope this is not faked, that indeed we have a grieving spouse that needs to be comforted, and that hopefully the dad is found safe soon – or at the very least some answers as to what has happened. i would prefer not to butcher people. I’m sure the police/investigators will take care of everything and would figure it out if something suspicious was going on and will take care of things properly. they are the experts, not us.

  • hmmm February 22, 2008 (5:32 pm)

    re: the missing husband of the Costco worker. This was discussed on another thread on this blog, and included a link to the “missing” info.: https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807#comments

  • questioning February 22, 2008 (5:32 pm)

    marie , it does no good bringing that up !

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (5:32 pm)

    anonymous, I did not say she was faking the tears.
    I said there were NO tears. Sorry but in my book when you honestly cry the tears follow.
    I would highly suggest that you go back and watch all of the interviews she has done.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:33 pm)

    as far as the bank routing numbers, those were the instructions from the bank – i have no idea why that was given as i was personally not involved in posting that information. let’s hope it’s an account that can not have withdrawals without proper id. and the bank has been notified already.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:35 pm)

    jlsan: i personally interpreted the sheen on her eyes as unshed tears. to each his own.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (5:47 pm)

    I do not understand why etsy admin are allowing the threads to continue on and on… While it’s nice support is shown the forum etc. section feels like a constant vigil, it’s a weird feeling. People bumping the thread showing their religious views, going onto blogs and telling people they are not Christian like for speculating …. Not Good.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (5:52 pm)

    This thread is not hurting anyone, and quite frankly – there are threads not related to this one that go on just as long with thousands of posts that are rather trivial in nature. This one is intended to help someone. The Dos and Donts state that one of the purposes of their site is to “improve the lives of others”. I would say the general intent of this thread is to help improve the life of this woman. If it offends people, they do not have to go in it. If there are other people who are getting out of hand, then I can not speak to their actions – only my own. But the thread itself is no more harmful than any other random thread going on right now.

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (6:04 pm)

    anonymous, sorry but I got quite a chuckle out of this:
    “i personally interpreted the sheen on her eyes as unshed tears. to each his own.”
    You cant be serious. Everyone has a “sheen” in their eyes, just looked down at my dog and guess what…..yup, there’s a sheen.
    When people genuinely break down and cry there are tears. Bottom line.

  • anonymous February 22, 2008 (6:07 pm)

    jlsan: I’m so glad you are “chuckling” over this. I don’t find any of this funny, quite frankly. And your mean spiritedness is quite hurtful as well. If it makes you feel better, than good for you…

  • just me February 22, 2008 (6:22 pm)

    Don’t know what some of y’all are looking at but I definitely saw tears on her face (after she breaks down and puts her face in her hands) in that KONG interview.

  • Sally February 22, 2008 (6:41 pm)

    If you spend most of the day crying, eventually you run out of tears.

    If I were going on TV to try to find someone, I would certainly try to make the most of the interview time and stay as focused as possible. Blubbering does not make it on national news, no matter how ‘genuine’.

    If you’ve nothing nice to say, please just let the police figure it all out. Bickering and speculation certainly isn’t doing anything for the two small children and unborn infant without a daddy…for whatever reason.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (6:48 pm)

    First off, for people that do not want to read all of the speculation stop coming to the blog to voice your opinion. You have way too much time emotionally invested if you are trolling forums to defend your position. Spare me. Go find something more worth while than scold people for having their opinions.

  • mumof6 February 22, 2008 (7:15 pm)

    I am totaly sick of etsy being drawn into this whole sorry mess, you cannot go onto the etsy forums and post an opinion different to that of the wifes’ without having a convo’ sent to you with some not so nice words about you and your life;and that people are patroling the threads and hounding people who have a brain of their own. Hinting that if you don’t support them they will make sure your shop goes under…That is not supportive.

    the whole situation is strange and looks staged to me. Money makes people do strange things, and so does having huge family responsibilities at a young age. When you combine the two, who knows what will happen?

    Did he leave voluntarily or had a mental breakdown? who know’s the wife may do, or she may not. Most spouses in these situations know the truth deep down but fight tooth and nail to keep the fantasy of their perfect life alive and refuse to see the truth.

    I hope that he comes home safe and well, and I really lookforward to the truth being revealled as I think there are going to be a few people who are going to feel duped.

  • clowny February 22, 2008 (7:34 pm)

    Mumpf6- I totally agree with you. I have been checking this topic out online today and many times Christine’s etsy pals (yes, duh it’s not hard to find out who you are… all you have to do is go over to etsy and see who is whining and praying for hot coals to be dumped on our heads)continually called people nasty names and basically the scum of the earth for even suggesting the mere thought that there might be more to this. All I can say is WOW what a bunch of NICE Christians. I have nothing against Christians but their online behavior is more of a freaky obsessed 12 year old, for reals. I also want this whole thing resolved, but there are way too many clues that make this whole case look staged. Christine’s interviews look unsincere and staged with no tears. I don’t know what else to say, other than I am glad to voice my opinion on a blog where I will not get boycotted even though I am an Etsian who ain’t buyin’ the hype.

  • jlsan February 22, 2008 (7:36 pm)

    mumof6, that is exactly the reason I have been afraid to express my views over there. The Cult of Christine will sink me.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (7:52 pm)

    “marie, it does no good bringing that up!”….What are you talking about?

  • mumof6 February 22, 2008 (7:58 pm)

    It is just weird how they won’t or can’t see that there are lots of things that don’t add up. And why is she asking for money, clothing and target vouchers? the man has only been gone a week! gosh she spends so much time trawling the net asking for money is is really odd.

    People have just taken everything at facce value or maybe they are using this as a promotional tool, keeping their profile visiable and increasing the views and hearts in their shops. And that is just odd too…. who wants to profit off someone elses misery like that?

  • clowny February 22, 2008 (8:01 pm)

    Marie wasn’t the genius who thought it was a good idea to post account details in an open public forum. Want me to post the link here? Marie brought it up because clearly the people requesting the money have NO CLUE what they are doing.

  • Mel February 22, 2008 (8:05 pm)

    Any other blogs/websites that Christine Francisco has been posting on, besides Etsy??? Just curious. Why would she be such a fervent poster only on the WSB, as she doesn’t live here…?

    I can’t wait for more details to be revealed. Gut feeling tells me that he either A.) ran away willingly or B.) this is all some sort of financial scam on the part of CF. Hmm… Guess we’ll find out…someday.

  • Marie February 22, 2008 (8:07 pm)

    I have seen the purported friends of Christine attacking people on forums of different sites and that is not cool. If you disagree with what someone is saying, that’s fine. Disagree with them in a civil way. But resorting to name calling and telling people that they have no life, that they are low lifes is not going to help your cause or Christine.

  • ah February 22, 2008 (9:23 pm)

    This is just the craziest ever. Why in the world are people supposedly convoing etsy sellers with different opinions and telling them off?

    Many have expressed their Christian views, these actions do not seem Christian.

    You people trolling the forums and harassing those with differing views are pathetic and I will pray that you receive some mental health intervention. You are all sick in your own way for over involving yourself on such an emotional level it is completely unhealthy. Shouldn’t you be taking care of your own families and children as oppose to keeping guard and bumps and on the forums…

    Detach yourselves from the situation and stop acting like wardens and casting stones at people who don’t think the same way you do.

    I do hope that the truth is revealed. In all situations like this I hope the person turns out safe. But the over saturation in the forums of posting vigils is a bit much.

    This is a huge event… people will remember it, you do not have to be the one to keep bumping a thread so it doesn’t get lost for goodness sakes… go find something to do… rather than sickly obsess.

  • clowny February 22, 2008 (9:31 pm)

    Agreed, ah!!!!

    You just said what a lot of us have been thinking the whole time!!!

  • T February 22, 2008 (11:06 pm)

    I did not read ALL 116 posts, but…..

    That really is Christine Francisco posting (she is the one that gave me this link after the comments here upset her so badly!), did it ever occur to you that since her husband is missing she might google his name to find stories about him?

    These rude comments have upset this poor woman greatly. And at a time when I’m sure she is under more stress than most of us could ever imagine.

    I do not know Christine personally, but I have talked with her over the internet, as she has 2 shops on Etsy.com and I also have a shop there.

    Speaking of which, I know several Etsy shop owners have donated money to Christine out of the kindness of their hearts and many, many more are giving all or part of the proceeds from some or all of their sales to her (me included) So she may have a bit of an advantage at raising money as Etsy is a very close-knit community and has really rallied around her during this time.

    (Christine PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS PARAPGRAPH) And I do not find it at all unreasonable in this day and age to believe that someone would randomly snatch a person up and do bad things to them. Do you read/watch the news?? It happens ALL THE TIME.

    And for all you that have NO sympathy and are being rude and callous to Christine during this time, all I can say is (God forgive me) but it would be justice for you to be in her shoes one day, searching desperately for a loved one who vanished with no clues…..

  • Ruby February 22, 2008 (11:37 pm)

    ummmm… do blog comments remind anyone else of middle school?

    Can’t we all just get along?

    If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all -Thumper’s father

    Come on guys, it may be true, it may not, but there is no need to attack each other and certainly no need to attack this woman who’s husband is missing because no one here REALLY knows if this man was a victim of foul play, ran off or is scamming for money.

    But I must say, assuming the wife is not lying, I think it’s totally normal for his wife to be here. I think it’s normal and valid for her to get angry and upset at the comments made (think how you would feel if your loved one was missing, no sleep, upset, sleep deprived) and I think it is great that she has friends that are willing to run to defend her (everyone should be blessed with friends like that)

  • Magic Beauty February 22, 2008 (11:57 pm)

    Most of them are not interested in HER financial state. It is their own “COME TO MY SHOP and BUY MY STUFF- oh, and all the money will be donated to Christine and family” Yeah right. NO one is keeping track of any of that supposed money, no one is.

  • bjones February 23, 2008 (12:02 am)

    can I just say amen? I feel like I have finally found some people with common since here- West Seattle should be proud…. asking questions when something is so strange is the right thing to do, and those willing to ask questions here seem to be the most respectful and tactful people yet to post on this story.

  • justanotherquestion February 23, 2008 (12:57 am)

    Everyone says she has two shops on etsy, even she herself mentioned this in the beginning, when she actually has THREE shops. Also, why no mention of Nicholas’ shop on etsy? He has one there as well.

  • deek February 23, 2008 (3:12 am)

    Take a look at his feedback and you’ll see why kauno.etsy.com has not been mentioned….

  • mumof6 February 23, 2008 (4:35 am)

    pimp my shop or just husband and wife helping each other out? funny how she has never mentioned that he had a shop on etsy too

  • SHE February 23, 2008 (5:37 am)

    Do you all really think that her and her husband are doing this to get more sales or attention to their etsy shops- for real? Perhaps she can not get into his shop to close it? I know I have actually just recently told my husband the password to mine and said “just in case”. I really don’t think it is fishy to want to give finacial support to someone who is missing their spouse. I understand questioning that he may have run off on his own. If that is the case I still do not think she would ever dream of him doing that. Therefore, all possibilities basically suck right now. He either left on his own or he is being held captive or well you know the other.
    But those who say it is a scam for money- I just don’t see it – how was she to know that many (not all) on the etsy community would grab hold of this story and run with it. When the threads began on etsy everyone wanted to know what they could do to help (specially those who did not live in her area). It only made sense to want to send her some finacial support and prayers or positive thoughts. I think it is actually quite remarkable what some on the etsy community have been able to accomplish. I don’t think that the store owner supporting her are looking to get more sales from this. Makes me sad for those who think that.
    Sending my support to Christine and hope that she finds her husband ALIVE and safe…very soon- so all this can stop.

  • somanyquestions February 23, 2008 (6:05 am)

    I knew she had 2 shops, but not a third, and had no idea that he had one. The soap shop and his design shop just opened up beginning of Feb. What is her 3rd shops name?

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (6:24 am)

    It is true that for someone who’s loved one is m issing, it would be upsetting to hear people discussing the case and all possible scenarios. And it is wonderful that she has friends and family to support her during this time. It is NOT cool, however when those friends attack other people who are merely having a discussion and start insinuating or telling them that they are horrible people, and worse in some instances, that I won’t go into.

    If you want to really express your support of Nicholas’s wife, then join the discussion and express yourself without insulting the other people and calling them names. Someone mentioned earlier, and I completely agree with them, that most of the middle school behavior I’ve ssen surrounding all of these forum discussions is coming from those friends of the wife. This behavior alienates people more than anything. I have yet to see one single post from people wondering about what’s the truth, in the discussions I’ve taken part in, that was inappropriate given the circumstances of this case. And if I saw anyone come right out and say the wife IS lying, this IS a scam, he DID run off, I would address it also and tell them that was wrong. Specualating is completely acceptable. Claim something as fact is not. But I personally have not seen anyone do that yet. I would not partake in a discussion like that.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (6:28 am)

    And while I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant that she has 3 shops instead of 2 or the other thing with his shop, those who support the wife, need to understand that it’s the appearance of little white lies or ommissions like this, that make people question the big stuff. Why not fully disclose everything? It looks like there is something to hide and you have to know that when you take a situation like this public, you will be scrutinized like never before.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (6:35 am)

    Oh, and I do hope God forgives you “T”, for saying it would be justice for something like this to happen to anyone else who is merely having a discussion here. That is probably the most un-Christian like comment said by anyone involved in these discussions. And there have been plenty. You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself. You give your group and Christians a bad name. And I am a Christian.

  • devilsadvocate February 23, 2008 (6:56 am)

    Ok, just for a moment, let me play devil’s advocate. If Christine were running some kind of scam for money, which implies that she actually HAS done something bad to Nicholas, wouldn’t she be telling everyone that he DID run off? Wouldn’t she want everyone to think that he left of his own free will and minimize the suspicion of foul play? Instead, she’s telling everyone who will listen that he would NEVER do that, which is bringing a lot of attention to the fact that she obviously thinks there IS foul play involved. Has no one considered that?

  • KB February 23, 2008 (8:45 am)

    I have had a strange feeling about this disappearance since I first heard about it. Some things just don’t add up. People here have expressed what I have had in my head, and then some.

    I can’t for the life of me wonder why everyone (Christine included) is hoping he didn’t leave on his own. I hope he did, because that would mean he is most likely safe!

    I logged onto to Etsy this morning to read updates and now hear that her husband has his own shop. Hmmm, if you search the shop name in the forums, Christine has started a post or two about her husband’s shop saying how wonderful the seller is to work with, easy to communicate with, etc… Well heck, you live with the seller so you may be biased! ;)

    If that was ebay, that would be shilling and against the law. I don’t know if Etsy has some rule about that, but it doesn’t seem very ethical.

    Also her husband has posted in the Etsy forums, so he is somewhat familiar with what goes on there.

    Ahhh, the plot thickens!

    Truly hoping Nicholas is found soon, safe and sound.

  • KB February 23, 2008 (9:28 am)

    Wow, some of the Etsy crowd are turning on the poor person who mentioned the husband’s shop, which should have been mentioned to begin with in my opinion.

    Now I understand why someone above coined the phrase, “The Cult of Christine.” :(

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (9:56 am)

    T …. You know is the handmade site coming up in so many posts? Admin should shut the thread down all together, the wife is posting all of the updates of the investigation… it’s an open case.

    I hope she says something that will make her slip up and reveal what a fool she is in doing so.

    I also questions why she was plugging her husbands shop on etsy promos while not mentioning that it was her husband…. Nice way to ommit the details when it’s convenient.

    Christine Francisco should NOT be searching for his name on the internet and reading any blogs that she might find offensive. I think in a sick way she likes the attention she gets when she tells the etsy guards .. “Look at this link they are saying terrible things”.

    It makes me question her when she is fishing…..

    How dare you say it would be justice for all to be put in her shoes, I hope god strkes you down with lightining, thinking you have the right to be the judge and the jury, you over involved, obsessed idiot.

    You know….. Ilove when people wave their christian flags and try to act like martyers carring other’s burdens. SPARE ME! I think in some sick way some of you wish this was happening to you with the way you’ve taken it upon yourself to act like her family.

    The truth is you are just someone on the other side of the computer and I don’t know any of you personally… Yes these cases make people scared but all of the ‘supporters” I am seeing make me want to throw up all over my keyboard.

    Is it necessary to inject pslams and bible versus ever single thread post, repeating prayers? NO…. All of you that are publicly doing that are attention seekers, true christians do not boast….

    Another thing… Christine is not going to find her husband alive and well via the internet forums. I am sure she is working with the PI on the case and they give her all of the info she needs to know. Beyond that she should be tending to her children and staying off the computer. Nice how someone finds time to be on the internet at a time like this. She has REAL family to support her. All you etsy donaters are just a money train babies, wake up and smell that coffee.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (10:08 am)

    I noticed yesterday on the abc blog about this story that Christine’s buddies not only called ANYONE questioning the validity of the case was called “scum of the earth”, as there also were threats if they posted their thoughts on etsy, as well as BIBLE versus saying that by the grace of God hot coals should be dumped on their heads. WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE NUTZO’S ON! And yes, Marie, all the comments on THIS blog of her flying monkey angels wishing this to happen to them. It makes me sick.

  • KB February 23, 2008 (10:11 am)

    Clowny, do you have a link to the ABC blog?

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (10:11 am)

    Oh, and Christine has not mentioned at all how her interview with the police and or detectives went to her supporters on Etsy. However, prior to that, she built everyone up and then has mentioned nothing. Their literally are hundreds checking that thread for updates from her. Not one of her supporters has mentioned it.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (10:17 am)

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5482923&page=36

    Many of her supporters check the thread out and post any updates, prayers, etc. And also check to see what Christine has posted. On this page, the fact that Nicholas has a shop was posted and then shot down by one if the prayer factories. It was posted as a “tip” and then some were not asked to discuss ANYTHING outside of support and prayers. Ummmm. Ya. I would think that any tips from anyone at this point would be welcome. Why are people so darn defensive???? They were trying to help!

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (10:53 am)

    Christine you need to get off the internet. Blog surfing will NOT give you any new information as to your husbands whereabouts. It’s making you look REALLY bad. Seriously, why are you on the internet at all, it makes no sense. But since you ARE here, it would be great if you could give out some info yourself. people keep wondering things because you hear a little then its gone. Like why did you guys suddenly leave your church? What came of your interviews with the detectives? Why would you refuse to use a police psychic? Couldn’t hurt, so why not try it? Why would you allow this donation thing to go on and on and on? I mean come on, you were collecting money right after he disappeared. He could have popped up the next day. Yet you continue to make more money every day. There are millions of needy people in orrible circumstances and no one is going out of their way to send them cash, gift cards etc etc. If he turns up are you gonna return it all? I don’t understand this at all. You both have lovely families, NO WAY would they let you and your kids starve, yet you continue to take all these donations from strangers. Why don’t you tell them to stop now? As for people making donations, thats fine if they want to. But the sellers who are doing the “come to my shop and buy my stuff and I’ll give it to Christine” should be ashamed. To use a situation like this to draw people to your shops to sell is rotten. How could anyone possibly know that all these sellers are actually donating it after they get it? Why not just send her some of your own money if you feel the need and stop this, you have no idea how bad that looks.

  • hmmm February 23, 2008 (11:03 am)

    The Etsy threads are long and hard to follow as they keep closing them and opening new ones. Seems to be a new one every day. That said, I did see a post by Christine or someone speaking for her, that said essentially that her interview on Thursday with the police revealed nothing new.

  • Kim February 23, 2008 (11:05 am)

    Is this another business of Christine’s?

    http://www.christinefrancisco.com/

  • Lilly February 23, 2008 (11:23 am)

    Go Leanna… My thoughts exactly! It is making her look terrible. I still think, however, that there’s no real way of telling if it really is Christine Francisco posting here. It’s WAY too easy to just put in any old name, as this is completely anonymous. You don’t even need to verify an email address. Could be a poser, even though she swears it’s truly her.

    Also… http://kauno.etsy.com/ is now gone.

  • Lilly February 23, 2008 (11:24 am)

    Also, since when did CF refuse a police psychic? URL please.

  • Sue February 23, 2008 (11:26 am)

    Police psychic? Yah, where’s the info that she turned one down? Haven’t heard anything about this…

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:26 am)

    Why do you suppose they didn’t want that little piece of info to be discussed in the thread? Nicholas’s shop and the fact that Christine was indeed shilling it for him. Because like in all cults, members are not allowed to discuss anything that could shed negative light on their main purpose. Even when it’s the truth. The say that it’s because that is just a support thread. But it’s not. It’s a public forum that anyone has the right to post anything on at anytime. If you want a private support forum, go make one on another site like flickr or yahoo. The more this goes on and the more that comes out, the less I believe this is a case of foul play. Only time will tell, but there are too many little details that appear to be omitted for a purpose. And I too cannot understand why they only hang on to the scenario that he has been taken and harmed or worse. I too would be praying that he had only run off.

  • Frannie February 23, 2008 (11:27 am)

    http://kauno.etsy.com/ and the “christine” forums are down… hmm……

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:36 am)

    In case anyone in Christine’s support groups is truly interested in maintaining a support-only thread, you can indeed start a private chat forum on flickr and yahoo. Very easily in minutes. Flickr is easier because it’s an actual forum whereas yahoo is more of a message board. You can make it private and that way you will avoid any posts you don’t want. But then I guess you wouldn’t be able to promote your shops. But then again, you say it’s only to support Christine so that shouldn’t matter.

  • Suze February 23, 2008 (11:37 am)

    I still question whether or not CF is really posting on this site. I mean, there’s really no way to tell. This is a totally anonymous forum and I could post as “Christine Francisco” right now, if I wanted to.

    If Christine really is posting on these forums, maybe she should answer some of the questions put forth by Leanna above. OR, better yet, address the fact that you’ve been posting on forums in one of your interviews! I mean, why hide it..?

  • Jacynthe February 23, 2008 (11:38 am)

    If you indeed are interested in a support-only thread for Christine, you can start a totally private chat forum on flickr literally within minutes. Then you can avoid all the posts you don’t want. You won’t be able to publicly promote your shops, but then again, that isn’t the purpose of the thread, right?

  • deek February 23, 2008 (11:40 am)

    While Christine is answering questions for you, Leanna, would you please ask her how it is possible that she felt this new baby move the other night? At what, seventh week of gestation? That’s what she said in one of her early postings in the Etsy threads.
    I dunno, I never felt my kids move ’til about halfway through my pregnancies.
    When I read her words about the baby moving and her wanting to call Nicholas to tell him, well, let’s just say she lost me right then and there.

  • sandy February 23, 2008 (11:41 am)

    yep. there’s no way of telling if this is really CF posting or not. i too could have just posted as “Christine Francisco” if i wanted to. ha. probably just a poser.

    if it IS really CF, maybe she should answer some of the questions posed by Leanna above. OR, better yet, mention in an interview that she’s been posting on the site. nothing to hide…right???

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:42 am)

    copycat:)

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:44 am)

    That wasn’t to you deek. I just saw another post that was worded just like my previous one and now it’s gone.

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (11:44 am)

    Ruby– Perhaps Christine should stay off these forums, people have the right to post their opinon’s, I’m sorry for her husbands disapperance but, to say the least if my husband was missing I’d be damn if I would be sitting on the internet and not out trying to get a search team up anything other than sitting on a couch until her next TV appearance!! Just seen her sister – in – laws on foxnews and those were REAL TEARS from sisters begging for their brother’s safe return or to call home! JMOO

  • MH February 23, 2008 (11:51 am)

    I was wondering about that too, deek. When I read that she felt the baby move, I thought maybe I had misunderstood when she was due, but then later on they posted that her due date is in October. I’ve had 3 babies too and never felt any movement until about the 4-5 month. It’s the little things that keep adding up to one big question mark.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (11:57 am)

    KB- here it is.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/comments?type=story&id=4325797
    There are many pages but it is a good read and shows many aspects of possibilities of this case. And a lot of craziness.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (11:59 am)

    Deek I thought the same thing about the baby comment. There is no way that all of a sudden that early in her pregnancy that she felt that baby move. Impossible.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (12:08 pm)

    OMG, I didn’t read that one! Yeah, like you deek, I felt mine move at 4 1/2 months or thereabouts. That’s just ridiculous! And alot of the people who are doing her support thread(s) also have kids and would have to KNOW that was a lie. Please tell me no one was ooing and awwwing about that remark without questioning it?

  • KB February 23, 2008 (12:09 pm)

    Is this another business of Christine’s?

    http://www.christinefrancisco.com/

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I guess apparently so. I recognize a picture of of her grandparents or great-grandparents from a previous thread with a link of the family’s pictures.

  • lurkie February 23, 2008 (12:10 pm)

    Just a note: one of her etsy profiles says she has 3 kids.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (12:18 pm)

    Lilly, I can look for it when I have a few weeks free lol, it’s in one of the endless Etsy posts, my friend read it to me. Christine said that she didn’t want to use a police psychic because God knows where Nicholas is and God will bring him home. I dunno about you, but if it were me, I would do ANYTHING however weird or strange to find my man.

  • Another friend February 23, 2008 (12:19 pm)

    No one can say what another woman may or may not feel during her pregnancy. It’s not impossible that she felt or sensed movement. It IS impossible for anyone else to know what sensations are going on in someone else’s body.
    Even if she imagined it; her kids’ father is gone, give her a break.

    What looks to most like lack of emotion or showing incongruent emotion during news interviews looks to me like stress. Everyone faces their fears (and TV cameras) in different ways; some people become resolute and keep it all together until well after the crisis has passed. I think CF is one of the resolute types.

  • deek February 23, 2008 (12:22 pm)

    I don’t know how people responded, Leanna. I took a break from the thread–actually stepped away from the computer in disbelief–after I read that. I never got back to see how people reacted.

  • somanyquestions February 23, 2008 (12:27 pm)

    No one questioned her saying the baby moved b/c no one knew how pg she was at that point.

    I felt my babies kick around 18-20 wks. Babies at 7 weeks are the size of a grain of rice! Must be big feet on that grain of rice!

  • tjs February 23, 2008 (12:35 pm)

    No one acted like it was a big deal when she said she felt the baby move. Thank goodness she posted a link to this site so I could see that the whole world hasn’t gone insane over this whole incident. I was starting to think I was the only one with doubts and questions. Too many things don’t add up. I’ve tried to figure out exactly what those people think happened if he DIDN’T leave voluntarily. They keep saying they’re praying he will be found alive and well, etc. Well, you can’t have it all ways unless like someone here speculated it is all a huge scam. Then he can miraculously re-appear and all will be well. That site is down right now so evidently it is also on overload. I’ve been on that site for several months and this is the first time I’ve known it to be down. Anyway, I don’t dare post in the forums over there since it would indeed be the kiss of death. Many of the shops are run by very young people so in many cases reality has not been learned yet.

  • KB February 23, 2008 (12:38 pm)

    I read that too about her mentioning 3 kids. I didn’t know if possibly she had lost one, or maybe had a step child.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (12:42 pm)

    I did read in one of her shop profiles that she was a stay at home mom with 3 kids. Maybe just a typo, but again, it’s a little discrepancy that is added to the growing pile of other discrepancies. I hope for the whole family’s sake that he is just hiding out for whatever reason. But if that is true, at this point, that is cruel to allow his family to suffer this anguish for so long. No way around it. Any of the possible scenario is devastating.

  • gf February 23, 2008 (12:48 pm)

    tjs, you are right to post here and not over there on Etsy. The *Kiss of Death* may be putting it mildly if you dare to even question this craziness.

  • justme February 23, 2008 (12:51 pm)

    I’m glad to see that there are other Etsy members questioning this? I agree that it has become a crusade by a large handfull of members to keep the threads alive, monitoring what is posted, etc..

    I have had my suspicions since I first read about this and one of the first things that struck me as odd is when Christine posted that she felt the baby move and went to pick up the phone to call her husband. Hello . . . she is due in October? Do the math. She isn’t feeling a baby move that is barely the size of a green pea. And even if I misunderstood her post (I have reread it several time so I don’t think I did) and this something along the lines of an ultrasound or heart beat at the doctors office, tell me how is any of that possible at this stage of her pregnancy? But the guardians of Christine never questioned it and only offered sweet sympathetic words to her.

    Fortunately most of the members that use the forums seem to have more of a level head than some.

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (1:48 pm)

    Christine – since you like answering questions on here please answer this one – Have you taken a polygraph yet? Everytime a wife goes missing thats the first thing they try to get from the husbands. Should be a fair question to ask and it may help in alot of peoples minds here and their disbeliefs in you.

  • thinkingformyself February 23, 2008 (1:49 pm)

    The group participating in that thread really doesn’t represent the whole of Etsy which is over 50,000 sellers. I hope people won’t judge Etsy harshly over the actions of what is truly a small group of sellers.

    It’s sad that a group of religious zealots is making all of us look like loonies. There are lots of us who think for ourselves and aren’t participating in the craziness.

    I don’t know what to think about this whole thing. I try to mind my own business as much as possible, but there are aspects of this case that don’t add up. I have the feeling Christine and Nicholas may be acting together in this. No foul play, but lots of funds.

    If he should turn up one of these days, they’ll be richer and will have a clear claim on the $ they have raised in the meantime.

    Here’s a thought: Canada.

  • Mel February 23, 2008 (2:05 pm)

    She should definitely take a polygraph. That way, people can rule her out as having any involvement. I know that if I were entirely innocent and people were talking smack about me, I would RUSH to the machine to prove to everyone I was innocent. Why wouldn’t you…?

  • ah February 23, 2008 (2:10 pm)

    This is what I find odd:

    This is her initial post:

    rinnovibodyspa
    rinnovibodyspa says:
    FAMILY EMERGENCY –

    MY HUSBAND IS MISSING. PLEASE HELP FIND HIM.
    http://mailpen.net/

    Missing Since 2/13/08

    http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

    http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_021608WAB_missing_seatac_man_KS.cbc94803.html

    http://mailpen.net/ —no virus link—

    Please Pray and pass the news (blogs, myspace etc)

    Thank you
    Christine Francisco
    Rinnovi Body Spa
    Bella Style Boutique

    Why does she have to say “no virus link”

    wtf is that? why would someone say it’s a virus?

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (2:14 pm)

    Are we in AMerica here? The place where you’re innocent until proven guilty? It’s hard to understand why people seem so intent on dragging this woman through the muck over this. Have some compassion.
    The truth will come out soon enough. All else is just speculation. And, much the same as folks seem to think the “etsy guards” should go do something productive, surely everyone here has better things to do on a lovely Saturday?
    Marie? Michele? Leanne? Isn’t it time to make dinner or something?

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (2:20 pm)

    Mel – I agree, thats the first thing I would do, maybe she has and we haven’t heard yet?

  • Sinead February 23, 2008 (2:27 pm)

    i just noticed something weird — the picture of the car, at http://mailpen.net/… why isn’t there a front license plate? i wonder where this pic was taken? maybe it’s an old pic of when he first got the car, and that would explain it. but if it’s AFTER they found it…that’s kinda weird. i dunno, but aren’t all WA cars required to have a front plate???

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (2:28 pm)

    That’s a good idea Michelle, just to ask her if she knows anything at all about his disappearance….. And yes exactly, if a wife comes up missing the first thing they wanna do is polygraph the husband to get any suspicions about him being involved out of the way. So they should do the same with her. Now look, I am NOT saying she’s done away with him or something horrid like that, just wanting to know if its some kinda scam they are involved in together or if it’s real.

  • gf February 23, 2008 (2:33 pm)

    I happened to catch the first thread. The one they are listing as the first was not really the first. She had a previous post but the first person thst responded told everyone there was a virus attached and not to open it.

  • gf February 23, 2008 (2:37 pm)

    Can someone tell me why everytime I post that I’m wondering if he stopped at that apartment complex to buy drugs and then something went wrong there, my post is deleted. Are we not allowed to type drugs or something?

  • SHE February 23, 2008 (2:38 pm)

    You all are certainly quick to jump to things. Yes some of the links had viruses and/or links to porn.

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (2:44 pm)

    All of you people that can’t handle the speculation shouldn’t be in blogs where people are doing so.

    Educated people will speculate it doesn’t mean we are hoping he is never found. Apparently having your own thought process and brain isn’t an option. I guess we are all supposed to bow down to the etsy forum support vigil threads and any people with different thoughts will be persucuted.

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (2:45 pm)

    Excuse me Sunnyday – I have posted 3 times today – GMAB, go to CourtTV, anytime a spouse is missing the first person who they are looking at is the husband, wife boyfriend, girlfriend! I’m 53yrs old and I surely don’t need someone to tell me how to spend my Saturdays….hmmmm don’t you have something better to do on a Saturday than to, address Marie, Leanne and Myself? Perhaps it’s time to cook dinner.

  • jlsan February 23, 2008 (2:52 pm)

    AH, the first time she posted that thread the first poster got a virus alert when she clicked on the link. What bothered me is that Christine ran screaming into the forums with absolutely no information, just that her husband was missing.

    I was willing to give her the benifit of doubt until I saw her interviews. All the “crying” with NO tears.
    The question has been asked how much money has been raised and NO ONE can or will answer that one.
    It did bother me that money was asked for so quickly. He had only been gone a day or two. Hell for all Christine knew at that point was he was out partying or something.
    Asking for Target vouchers? How the hell is that going to help find her husband?
    Quite frankly I find this Cult of Christine rather disturbing.
    No one can pose questions on Etsy without getting heaps of abuse piled on them so no one does. Those with different views keep quiet. Including me.
    As for those who had questions on whether or not it was Christine posting on this blog or not. Christine posted here then went right over to Etsy with the link. My own personal feeling is that she is absolutely eating up this attention.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (2:54 pm)

    That’s not what I said, tired; I have my own brain and my own thoughts. I am not one of the guard. But all of you are conveniently hiding behind your screen names, while you roast a real person over the flames.
    I just want you to think beyond that and have some compassion for a fellow human being. I don’t expect anyone to “bow down” to anything, just to think twice before posting.
    Because there is a real human being with feelings reading your words.
    However, if what you’re telling me is that I shouldn’t be here – well, I believe someone mentioned it was a public forum.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (2:55 pm)

    oh, and if you’re telling me I’m uneducated, isn’t that the same as calling me ignorant?

  • tjs February 23, 2008 (2:59 pm)

    The group you call etsy guards seems to be having some sort of group “hysterical conversion” to the cult. To call themselves Christians, quote scriptures, pray in the forum where thousands of us would just like to run our business is very offensive to me. Especially when the same praying people bash anyone with a different viewpoint. This seems hypocritical rather than Christian behaviour. I am shocked that admin of that site allows this to go on and on. It is disrupting our business and giving the whole site a bad image. No, we are not all naive extremists. The core group would not rest until every major network had been spammed with their requests for coverage. I would not want to have my life dragged through the media like this.

  • observer February 23, 2008 (2:59 pm)

    There are so many unanswered questions. Perhaps Christine’s actions and words that seem questionable to some people are indeed merely a reaction to the extreme stress that such a situation would logically create. Can any of us know *for sure* how we would respond if we were put in her shoes?

    On the other hand, when someone’s words and actions are recorded (in a video interview, in blog posts, in news reports), they can be scrutinized by so many, all with their own opinions. The very same Internet that now shows pages of google results for the posts on Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance, also provides details about Christine — besides all the Etsy stuff, there’s her parents and siblings names and birthdates in a genealogy record, which includes the fact that her parents divorced when she was 10 (a reason to be so attached to the picture of her own perfect family?), and even a Facebook listing in her maiden name (has Facebook been around for 7 years since she got married?).

    I think that if she is truly unaware of what has happened to her husband, then taking a lie detector test would be a simple way to show that and most likely would end at least some of the speculation. As well, if I believed she was really in financial need (not something that has been clearly shown yet), I would certainly be more likely to help out if I knew she had passed the lie detector test and truly doesn’t know where her husband is.

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:00 pm)

    yes ignorant is a great word… ;)

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:02 pm)

    Well said tjs! It is also offensive to me and I am catholic. I just don’t think religion should be boasted they way they are. Pretty much TJS.

    It’s like a cult, but then again it looks like they are falling victim to the cult like behavior of the wife… She is fanning the flames when she posts a link to this blog in the forums.

    Etsy admin should shut it down.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (3:02 pm)

    Hey tired- why don’t you come over here and say that??

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:05 pm)

    I knew you would post…. you are soooo lame… and predicatble. Go say a prayer for yourself why dont’ you.

  • thinkingformyself February 23, 2008 (3:06 pm)

    tiredofetsyguards, it is you who are ignorant. Unable to let anyone express an opinion that doesn’t match yours, apparently. I’m not part of the Christian crew on Etsy and I have my own opinions about what might have happened in this case. But I don’t agree with bashing anyone who has a differing viewpoint…

    Jeez…

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:09 pm)

    sunnyday you are obviosuly allowing me to get to you, which is why I chuckle on my end lol.

    thinkingformyself… I AM bashing those that spew hatred for people with differing opinions, people telling people off etc.

    If you love etsy and the thread stay there… why are you traveling to other threads to defend what your christian like ways…which are not by the way..

    I guess we can now call the wsg an etsy forum since the army has apparently infiltraded here.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (3:09 pm)

    Well thats kind of silly sunnyday..telling us we shouldn’t be here on this beautiful Saturday while at the very same time you’re here posting too. And I bet you dollars to donuts that you’re one of the Christine post fanatics that have to bump that Etsy post up every 30 seconds. Missing sleep, scouring the net for little verses to inspire, posting every single jot that Christine utters, blindly defending even in the face of bold faced lies. Exactly which one of the CF anti-defamation clan are you anyways?

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:11 pm)

    I am sure if I was posting psalms every 5 seconds we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, correct?

    How’s this:

    “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:15, KJV

    This qoute is perfect of all those not wanting to speculate that this could be a scam.

  • jlsan February 23, 2008 (3:11 pm)

    Sunnyday, since you are clearly part of the cult of christine and so intent of speaking up here, perhaps you would be willing to answer some of the questions posted here. Scroll up a bit and address some of my questions. I would love some answers.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (3:12 pm)

    A am no army. I hate war. I am not one of the guards, either. The only hatred I see being spewed is from YOU. So get a grip and remember you’re a human being.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:13 pm)

    Sunnyday, excuse me, but I am entitled to express my concerns about this case without being called a “lowlife piece of crap” as happened to some on another site’s forum or be told I am a horrible human being as has happened over and over, by the Cult of Christine. And it is a cult at this point when people who point out anything negative are sent nasty messages, told not to post their thoughts, and even sent thinly veiled threats with regards to their Etsy shops. Speculation is not a crime, nor a sin. It is simply people trying to figure out what could possibly have happened here. Of course that is going to upset the family and close friends of the Franciscos. I would suggest to them, especially, Christine to stop reading those discussions, much less post in them. If you want to join the discussion and express your thoughts, great! But most of the “guards” need to do so without the name calling. I suggested it before and I will suggest it again. They should set up a private forum on Flickr or Yahoo, or wherever to continue this vigil, if they want to keep certain opinions out of their “public” forum thread. There is no other reason to keep it going on Etsy at this point in time other than to keep the shop promotions going. That is beginning to look very bad for some.

  • Sinead February 23, 2008 (3:14 pm)

    so — this is kind of getting ridiculous. we’re here to discuss this case, which involves a missing person, not to talk about etsy forums and religion.

    does anyone have anything intelligent to say or add regarding this case? any new developments anywhere? i haven’t seen any… i must say, i’m anxious to hear about any leads or clues the cops find… hopefully they were able to get those phone records. therein might lie some answers…

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:14 pm)

    sunnyday… I think you need a nap, looks like you’ve been manning the forum vigil way to long…

  • ms. umbrella February 23, 2008 (3:17 pm)

    yeah, it is a sunny day. why don’t y’all go outside and get some sun!

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (3:19 pm)

    What is wrong with you? I have no answers and I am NOT part of any cult.
    I think we’d all like some answers, but it appears that’s not gonna happen.
    I’m not here as a part of Etsy and I think you’ve swallowed some of what you’ve been spewing.
    I just said give the person some compassion. But I guess this isn’t the right place for compassion. You guys are as bad as the other thread, the one with all the prayer. Dang.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:21 pm)

    Sunnyday, I don’t agree with some of the things being said here towards you. But when you post something like “why don’t you come over here and say that?”, meaning Etsy, I assume? Those are the kinds of “threats” that people are receiving from the friends of Christine who purport to be Christians. That is a thinly veiled threat that to me, insinuates that you and your friends would retaliate to anyone who did “say that over there”.

    Not cool! And certainly not Christian.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:24 pm)

    Sunnyday, most people I have seen posting have been simply discussing different possibilities. I haven’t seen a lack of compassion from them nor accusations of guilt. There will always be some who do that, but not the majority. It’s just that this group has been attacking ANYONE who mentions any other scenarios. And that has definitely riled up alot of people. I have compassion for this family and do hope that everything is above board and that they are reunited soon.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (3:25 pm)

    you assume a lot.

  • jlsan February 23, 2008 (3:25 pm)

    sunnyday, all I have done is raise questions here. Go back to Etsy with your like minded people that dont have the intelligence or COURAGE to ask questions.

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:27 pm)

    JSLAN, all of those that donated would feel like fools if they were being duped. Ignorance is bliss so to question any actions scares them. I wouldn’t be suprised if people are sending christine the posts in this thread.

  • GenHillOne February 23, 2008 (3:28 pm)

    Okay…I’ve been gone and just read through all of this…what the he** is an Etsy? Sounds like Amway.

  • sunnyday February 23, 2008 (3:28 pm)

    Thank you Marie.

  • tiredofetsyguards February 23, 2008 (3:29 pm)

    etsy is the online marketplace and they have forums for sellers and buyers that christine posted to, to alert that her husband was missing

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:31 pm)

    I don’t understand not being able to discuss an issue without resorting to the namecalling. That reflects poorly only on the one doing it and you lose your credibility in any further discussions.

  • GenHillOne February 23, 2008 (3:34 pm)

    So it’s like eBay then? I have never heard of it and I don’t consider myself living under a rock.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:35 pm)

    Not like eBay at all. No auctions or bidding. People have shops to sell their handmade items, vintage items or supplies.

  • SHE February 23, 2008 (3:39 pm)

    I agree Marie- the name calling seems to be going both ways and is totally not necessary. Those who are jumping at anyone defending Christine are as bad as the christian guards over at Etsy. chill out! I think that Sunny makes a good point. While questions should be asked there is a way to do it without torching this family. What if…she is telling the truth? And if she is not then it will surely come out in the long run.

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (3:41 pm)

    Marie – if you haven’t yet go over and join TruTV.com/CourtTV.com They have a message board there on this case and they all post their opinon’s and thats all it is our opinon’s. They also have all the links to this case. You won’t get bashed for asking questions or saying what you think may have happen. Look under Amber Alerts/Missing People….it’s a great web-site!

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (3:42 pm)

    Thank you Michele, I’ll check it out.

  • thinkingformyself February 23, 2008 (3:48 pm)

    sunnyday didn’t even say he/she was from Etsy. Why are you making that assumption in the first place?

    There sure are a lot of assumptions going on here…

    I’m from Etsy but NOT part of the Christian group. Not Christian even. That group has taken it upon themselves to collect money for the family in this case. They are WAY over the top. From what I can figure out, Christine’s sister told them that she needed $ and they just started raising it. And putting up items in their stores to donate to the cause. After that it has been pretty much out of Christine’s hands.

    They have a thread up for support and prayer 24 hours a day and they seem really into it. I don’t like to judge them because I’m not a religious person myself.

    I don’t like name-calling. I think it demeans the person who does it. A lot more than the person who is on the receiving end of it. Once someone lowers themselves to that, I don’t take their opinions seriously anymore. And I tend to ignore them in threads and blogs.

    Serious bloggers don’t name-call.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (3:53 pm)

    I’d bet alot more people would be more compassionate if this ridiculous hand-out stuff would stop. She needs to go on Etsy and make a post thanking everyone for all their money and gifts and then telling them to please stop with the donations. Ask them to help FIND HER HUSBAND by doing their blogs, posters or w/e and thats enough. This money crap is just TO MUCH ok. She has a family, her husband has a family, she is not going to starve and neither will her kids. But this BUY FROM MY STORE I’LL GIVE CF MONEY is just a huge money maker for sellers and everyone sees it for what it is.

  • gf February 23, 2008 (3:54 pm)

    I for one hate that Etsy is any part of this craziness. You are talking about probably less than a quarter of a percent of members that are going a bit (a way bit) overboard. I actually read about a member going on a fast. Yeah, that’ll bring him home. If they want to send Christine money, fine, who cares? But stop all the plea for sales. Its embarrassing.

  • ipaint February 23, 2008 (3:56 pm)

    About etsy:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/magazine/16Crafts-t.html

    Etsy is not a religious site nor does it have anything to do with evangelicals or christianity.
    As a business person that sells on etsy and several other online venues this cultish co-opting of the etsy community as a whole by evangelical fanatics is totally unprofessional.
    I hope a resolution is found for the francisco family but the behavior of a very small but vocal minority on etsy goes way beyond any normal, rational and even compassionate response to a tragedy.

  • acemotel February 23, 2008 (4:04 pm)

    Is etsy part of the Hars Mill Church?

  • ms. umbrella February 23, 2008 (4:05 pm)

    Etsy is actually just a cool little craft site. Nothing religious about it… I too hate that it got wrapped into this craziness. It’s really not reflective of the site at all.

  • KB February 23, 2008 (4:08 pm)

    Is etsy part of the Hars Mill Church?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No, Etsy is a site where people can set up shops to sell handmade items, vintage items and/or supplies. It is based in Brooklyn, NY, but the members are from all over the world.

    http://www.etsy.com

  • KB February 23, 2008 (4:11 pm)

    By members, I mean sellers and/or buyers.

    If you go to the site, click on the COMMUNITY link at the top, then click on FORUMS. The threads concerning this case are mostly in the forum at the bottom of the page called ETC.

  • JOYCE SPEER February 23, 2008 (4:14 pm)

    Christine:

    If you are out there…maybe you could contact http://www.usamissing.com/index_files/Page393.htm…Telco Productions…who put on the TV show, Missing. Maybe they can air a show and help. Or contact a larger scale media outlet like the Today show or maybe Anderson Cooper from CNN. I don’t know…I just think you need to get on tv in a larger scale, get more people involved and plea for information.

    As far as the completely & utterly rude people who are saying things to Ms. Christine that are not very nice…you should be ashamed of yourself. God forbid something so awful happen to you. I bet you aren’t sleeping well @ night. People like you are screwing up the world.

  • devilsadvocate February 23, 2008 (4:31 pm)

    Speaking of the Mars Hill church, has anyone wondered if they may have something to do with anything? I’ve read lots of unsavory things about them. And considering that the Franciscos very recently withdrew as members, then Nicholas goes missing…anyone else find that too coincidental?

  • jlsan February 23, 2008 (4:34 pm)

    This was her last comment on the other site.

    rinnovibodyspa says:
    I hate waiting. it just kills me. i wish i could be out there searching. i wasn’t pregnant i would be. i had a miscarriage in june and i don’t want to do anything to compromise this pregnancy. I told nicholas i was pregnant on his birthday in january.

    I am sorry but if it were me, I would be out searching. I know it may sound really harsh but the life of her husband is more important than the 7 week old fetus and just because she had a misarriage before doesnt mean it will happen again.

  • Callie February 23, 2008 (4:48 pm)

    Christine just posted the below on the church ( vox ) site- not sure how to paste the link.

    (23 February 2008) Christine says:
    I can’t believe that on a church blog you all would be speculating that my husband just ran off on me. what kind of people are you? what kind of christians are you? My husband did not run off one me. I have never asked for money. People have asked me out right, including media, about our finances and I answer with the truth. So who are you to jump to conclusions. I am dieing inside, this whole thing is killing me and you who don’t know us and post on a church website are making assumptions and accusations that have no grounds for. what kind of Christian does that? I came and read on this blog hopeing for a little more uplifting thoughts and prayer and here i am being attacked. How cruel.

  • observer February 23, 2008 (4:52 pm)

    I have wondered about the church too. It seems the Franciscos had attended there for awhile — I found one link that showed him as their “voluntary art director” and the publications he designed for them. I think it was on his freelance design website actually. Does anyone know why they left the church? I read elsewhere that they were attending a “north Seattle gathering” but if they just left 2 days before he disappeared, then that does seem suspicious.

    Here is the link to the website that Michele mentioned earlier: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=95a5a53ff457b9f36f0d3dfb559f725c&threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

  • Callie February 23, 2008 (4:56 pm)

    http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

  • mumof6 February 23, 2008 (4:59 pm)

    I can’t find the court tv thread, anyone got the link?

  • KB February 23, 2008 (5:01 pm)

    I can’t find the court tv thread, anyone got the link?

    XXXXXXXXX

    I couldn’t find it either, but would like to read it.

  • Michele February 23, 2008 (5:03 pm)

    http://boards.insessiontrials.com There you go mumo – if it doesn’t work…….courttv.com copy and paste it

  • Callie February 23, 2008 (5:04 pm)

    http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=e32739892604fb971c8037825dadf7fb&threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

  • TNGirl February 23, 2008 (5:05 pm)

    Here is the link to court tv boards:

    http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?s=859dcdea8faf1c2a708f4c38e2b66110&forumid=10

  • TNGirl February 23, 2008 (5:06 pm)

    Websleuths also has a thread going:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60495

  • Big Creek Mama February 23, 2008 (5:10 pm)

    To King County Detectives and the IRS.

    Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and see where it leads!
    This case is terribly fishy and appears to be a huge scam!

  • walkaway February 23, 2008 (5:44 pm)

    deek wrote:
    “When I read her words about the baby moving and her wanting to call Nicholas to tell him, well, let’s just say she lost me right then and there.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This is EXACTLY what I was thinking! I became skeptical when she said she felt the baby move. If she’s due in October, it’s way too early to feel the baby move. I hope for the children’s sake that their Daddy is safe but something is definitely fishy.

  • mumof6 February 23, 2008 (5:50 pm)

    there is at least one sane etsy guard:

    “Hi folks just checking in…

    On the topic of outside blogs and the various comments being left on them, I wonder if we could agree here that any further contact to the media should not include any mention of Etsy affiliation. There is plenty of commentary against what is being done here and the way in which it’s being done, and most of that backlash has to do with the notion that supporters here are self-promoting and cashing in on someone else’s crisis.

    I know that isn’t true, and at the same time, I see how anyone could easily draw that conclusion.

    If you are posting to these blogs, or convoing anyone else on Etsy from a defensive position or a protective one, please stop. I know it is difficult to see the skepticism and negativism or disbelief but the purpose here was not to cloud the issue with fighting or defense; it is to support Christine and her family until Nicholas is found.

    I strongly recommend leaving Etsy out of it, whatever you say. It is not really important to anyone else how we know of this family’s circumstances, nor that we receive updates from Christine, and it is not necessary to promote or draw attention to Etsy in any way during this time.

    It’s all just my two cents but it would be nice to have a safe place for Christine to vent, find support. The more you tout Etsy in your public comments, the more likely it is that negative attention will show up here or in the public concept of what this site is intended for. If anyone knows how to set up other possibly more private groups on another website, I’m all for moving to a different forum altogether.

    What’s saddest to me is that it isn’t clear to everyone that we are all here simply in hope of the good news. Still praying for that, for the family, and for the clear answers…”

  • deek February 23, 2008 (5:56 pm)

    mumof6, KB, this might be the link:
    http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=82b93ead5fc97cc0ee070bda214883d1&threadid=324735

  • Ruby February 23, 2008 (6:28 pm)

    I tend to look at situations from “what if it were me” She says her husband is missing, the cops don’t seem to think (in anything I’ve seen or read) that she had anyhting to do with it (and isn’t the spouse/SO/parents ALWAYS the VERY FIRST person they look at?) so I don’t think that it is a scam for money nor do I think he just left.

    Sadly, I think, from what I know of the case, he was grabbed off the street on the way to his car after work and some sicko need him/his car for something. God only knows who or what.

    I pray I’m worng, but with the info we have, that seems most likely what happened.

    If I were in her shoes, I would probably be upset by some of the comments too…. but after one rude comment I would probably have left this site and never came back………………

    You must understand though, this woman’s husband is missing, it’s scary, stressful, I think her explosion of anger is normal and we should cut her some slack……………

    I don’t see him coming home alive, but I do hope they find him soon, so she can have some peace in at least KNOWING, right now I’m sure the not knowing if he is alive or dead is the hardest part…………..

  • tara February 23, 2008 (6:38 pm)

    While it is fine that someone goes on a blog and posts in their defense, I think it makes her look odd to post in these blogs. She should be staying away from them because in all actuality she has her support network at home. She knows from previous blogs that people are speculating things about her yet she keeps going on these blogs.

    When people are innocent they do not need to defend their actions, the money, the donations etc. She seems to be doing this alot, it raises a flag in my opinion.

  • observer February 23, 2008 (7:01 pm)

    Ruby wrote: “I tend to look at situations from “what if it were me” She says her husband is missing, the cops don’t seem to think (in anything I’ve seen or read) that she had anyhting to do with it (and isn’t the spouse/SO/parents ALWAYS the VERY FIRST person they look at?) so I don’t think that it is a scam for money nor do I think he just left.”

    ===

    The spouse etc is often the first person the cops look at if it’s a GUY. Not so when it is the other way around. It’s very common in these circumstances for a man whose wife is missing to have to take a lie detector test. Sometimes they even volunteer to do so in order that they are eliminated from suspicion. Nothing I’ve read has said that she was asked to take such a test, or that she has offered to.

  • observer February 23, 2008 (7:04 pm)

    “Sadly, I think, from what I know of the case, he was grabbed off the street on the way to his car after work and some sicko need him/his car for something. God only knows who or what.”

    ===
    The police have said there is no evidence in the car linking it to foul play. There were two witnesses at a gas station and convenience store that reported seeing him that night — one near where he worked (after the time he was said to have left work), another not far from where his car was found.

  • smyth February 23, 2008 (7:06 pm)

    I’m relieved to see there’s a move to take some of this off etsy and move it onto a separate blog. Mainly because some people there and here have taken such offense at any theory that they don’t believe. If they want to stay up all night bumping the post every few minutes, fine, but attacking others is un-Christian at best.

    I hope everything works out for Christine and her family. But saying it might not isn’t anything but being realistic.

  • smyth February 23, 2008 (7:24 pm)

    I’m posting this here because it’s obvious etsians keep looking here, and it’s safer.

    The people who disagree with you aren’t necessarily “haters” or bad people. We’re tired of reading the mean convos and disparaging comments towards everyone who disagrees with you about people being able to hold their own opinions.

    The attitude of some of you is very self-righteous and that’s what people are tired of seeing. We’re tired of the implication that if we’re not staying up all night and donating items and money and supporting YOU that we’re not thinking of Christine.

    Many of us are thinking of her, in kind ways. Those ways may not conform to your beliefs, but you know what, that’s okay.

  • sallynica February 23, 2008 (8:25 pm)

    I pray that this is not a scam, but I to agree that this man’s wife lacks any real tears but who is to say how anyone would behave in these situations. For their children, I hope their father is safe and is found soon. If this is a scam—god will take care of them because there are real people out there that are missing and need to be found.

  • Big Creek Mama February 23, 2008 (8:29 pm)

    The more I research this case the sicker I get. I hate it when innocent people are being played for fools. In my opinion, the kind people at Esty are being played for “donations” based on a comment that was made by Christina (Esty 5475232) which indicated that her kind hubby had left her in financially bad shape and the donations were really helpful. But on Gerta (after posting) she indicated that her finances were no worst than any other couple. Then tonight in her post at Esty she indicated that people were just giving her money for which she didn’t ask for?????? What about post 5475232? She further indicated that she needed to pay her house note and other bills………most people get a job to pay bills and don’t ask innocent people to give their hard earned money to support a unknown family! This is called a scam! Personally I think the husband had had enough and just walked.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (8:40 pm)

    A message to Christine’s Support Group on Etsy: I have been reading the thread this evening and have seen many people talking about the nasty people, the haters, uncaring, etc. etc. I also see many of you assuming that the negativity being directed at you is because people object to you helping another human being by praying. Well, you couldn’t be more wrong. While some people have expressed those kind of thoughts, the majority of people are upset at the attacks that have been launched by your group on people discussing this case and all possible scenarios.
    And yet, you continue to lump everyone together in the “hater” column for expressing a different opinion than yours. Your comments are still public on Etsy for everyone to read.
    I think your idea of a blog to continue the prayer vigil is a good one and a more appropriate venue for that. But please remember that your comments will still be seen by the public. As long as you continue to refer to others as haters and such, you will continue to bring negative attention to your vigil.
    I wish everyone talking about this case would not resort to name calling.

  • walkaway February 23, 2008 (8:40 pm)

    Ruby wrote:
    “I tend to look at situations from “what if it were me” She says her husband is missing, the cops don’t seem to think (in anything I’ve seen or read) that she had anyhting to do with it (and isn’t the spouse/SO/parents ALWAYS the VERY FIRST person they look at?) so…”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You’d better believe that the police aren’t sharing their entire thoughts about this situation with joe public, family members OR the wife. They’ve seen scenerios like this much too often to be absoltutely dumbfounded. They’re familiar with the “MO” of a situation but will never (I repeat…NEVER!) share all of what they suspect with family members, loved ones and especially joe public BEFORE a case has been solved. So when you think you’ve been told everything by the police, you have not. And rightfully so.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (8:53 pm)

    If you notice, the people who question or don’t agree with the Etsy posts have stayed OFF those posts. Not bothering you guys at all, ruining your posts, calling you names etc.. We come on here to talk and you follow HERE to harass us too. Why don’t you go do your thing and stop telling us what to say or think? If we have a post on Etsy, you come in and attack. Are we attacking your million posts there? No we are not. Oh but we are not “allowed” to post our thoughts there without being threated by your group to ruin peoples shops, cussed at, called names etc.. Please stick to your posts and don’t send your attack dogs to everywhere on the internet where we might happen to post OUR thoughts and opinions.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (8:57 pm)

    Thank you Marie for saying that. The fact is that there are many scenarios that should not be ruled out. Just because I have an OPINION does not mean I am a HATER.

    Over and Out.

  • clowny February 23, 2008 (8:58 pm)

    Yup, totally Leanna. And those questions you posted earlier were spot on.

  • Leanna February 23, 2008 (9:20 pm)

    The whole thing is getting downright creepy now if you ask me. People acting and talking as tho this is a close personal friend. It’s like when someone in highschool gets killed in a car accident after prom and suddenly eveyone is acting like it was their best friend even tho they never gave the person the time of day before. They walk around crying and weeping over someone they didn’t even know, as tho their best friend since kindergarten just died. Well its the same thing here, Christine is not your friend, you don’t know her at all. You know what she tells you. Christine says this, Christine says that…you know what? Thats ALL you know, what Christine SAYS. So you just take that as the gospel truth. A person you never met before, shes suddenly the Goddess of truth. But I bet alot of you who are hanging onto her every word have warned your own kids not to trust and believe everything someone tells you on the net because you DON’T really know them or anything about them…just what they have told you.

  • Ruby February 23, 2008 (10:02 pm)

    When people are innocent they do not need to defend their actions, the money, the donations etc. She seems to be doing this alot, it raises a flag in my opinion.

    Comment by tara
    =========================

    Not saying she is guilty or innocent, but this comment (no matter who or what it is in reference to) REALLY bothers me. When you are innocent and wrongly accused of something, what do you do? Just shrug it off? No, you defend yourself with all you got, or I do anyway.
    When I’m wrongly accused of something I become angry rather quickly and jump to defend myself

    I’ve just never understood the “When people are innocent they do not need to defend their actions” theory………………..
    ——————————————–
    “Sadly, I think, from what I know of the case, he was grabbed off the street on the way to his car after work and some sicko need him/his car for something. God only knows who or what.”

    ===
    The police have said there is no evidence in the car linking it to foul play. There were two witnesses at a gas station and convenience store that reported seeing him that night — one near where he worked (after the time he was said to have left work), another not far from where his car was found.

    Comment by observer

    1st, there is no evidence he was at the gas station or the storage unit. There were “sightings” who is to say it was him and not someone who looked like him? So I don’t put much weight in the “sightings” Maybe the “gunman” way laying down in the back seat………

    2nd a coworker saw him heading to his car but no one that knows him actually saw him get in the car and in an interview Christine said he parks on the street.

    3rd, just because there is no fingerprints (abductor wore gloves?) or blood in the car, doesn’t mean he was in there alone.
    Maybe a guy came up and held a gun to his head and told him to get in and drive. held the gun to his head and told him to get out somewhere, but never harmed him in the car……….

    I’m just sayin’…………….
    ——————————————–
    You’d better believe that the police aren’t sharing their entire thoughts about this situation with joe public, family members OR the wife. They’ve seen scenerios like this much too often to be absoltutely dumbfounded. They’re familiar with the “MO” of a situation but will never (I repeat…NEVER!) share all of what they suspect with family members, loved ones and especially joe public BEFORE a case has been solved. So when you think you’ve been told everything by the police, you have not. And rightfully so.

    Comment by walkaway
    ———-
    I was just saying from what I had seen/heard, the police are not saying Christine is a suspect. I know the police withhold evidence from Joe Public, and they should, that’s fine.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (10:27 pm)

    I think that some people are bothered by alot of little things in this case that add up to one big question mark:
    1-Donations coming in so soon after he went missing before anything could be determined because her sister conveyed to people that the family was in immediate and desperate need of financial support. That is highly unusual in a missing person case.
    2-Money going directly to a PayPal account with no oversight whatsoever. No one keeping track of the money in any way, shape or form. Just the links to the account with directions how to send money to it. That too is highly unusual in fundraising efforts for people in need.
    3-Discrepancies in statements about their financial situation–one minute in dire need of financial support, two days later saying they are no worse off than the average family.
    4-The apparent lack of tears when appearing to breakdown crying.
    5-Talking about her two shops on Etsy but omitting the fact that the missing person also has a shop on Etsy and actually made a sale the same day he disappeared. And there is a question of feedback left in his shop from his wife posted as if she didn’t know him. That is a little deceitful, leading the public to believe she was just a regular customer giving positive feedback to a good seller.
    6-Her statement that he was shielding her from their debt that was obvious to her when she checked his PayPal account.
    7-The use of the past tense in a television interview and quick recovery. “…He loved us—-loves us…”
    8-Reading internet blogs discussing the case and posting comments. After publicly saying she is so exhausted and stressed that she can’t function and can only sit on the couch.
    Each of these taken alone doesn’t mean much. But when you start putting them all together, an image begins to appear. An image of someone who could be at worst, lying and at the least being very manipulative.
    Do I think she is guilty of either? I don’t know. But I still feel that something isn’t right about this situation and hopefully it will be cleared up and resolved very soon, especially for those two little children who don’t have their dad with them.

  • amelia February 23, 2008 (10:49 pm)

    Marie, I agree with your sentiments. Personally I have been dropping by the Etsy threads, hoping for real updates, and it is exhausting to read even a couple of those posts. It is refreshing to come here and find that there are people being level-headed and rational about the situation.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (10:52 pm)

    OK. I give up on trying to be understanding of this vigil group. They continue to post comments about other people that they are somehow uncaring, evil and need praying for “because they know now what they do”.
    I believe in prayer, am a very caring human being can carry on an intelligent conversation without resorting to namecalling and greatly resent being referred to as a hater who has no idea what she is talking about.
    I mentioned it above and will mention it again. As long as you continue to ignorantly mistakenly accuse others of lashing out against you because you are praying and being good people, you will continue to attract negative attention to yourselves. Especially by continuing to refer to those with a different opinion and openly speculating as haters.
    What a self-righteous attitude to actually verbalize that you will pray for me because I know not what I do.
    Up until now, I was still sympathetic to your group apart from the group attacks by some of you on others, but now I have no sympathy left for you. You are now earning every single negative thing said about you. How does that help Christine or her family?

  • amelia February 23, 2008 (11:00 pm)

    I can’t see that the “vigil” is helping the search at all. By now everyone on Etsy who is likely to care knows about the case. Earlier several of those posters were threatening to leave Etsy because of the “negative backlash.” I say put your damn money where your damn mouth is and go for it.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:12 pm)

    I have to say that at this point, I agree with you, Amelia. Many people have been watching this develop and by day 4 it was obvious this was not the usual frundraising of donations/support thread and predictions were being made for a meltdown and how long it would take. I guess it’s happened or is happening. This was set up from the beginning to blow up in someone’s face and everyone else could see it coming. I guess those who couldn’t see it were too close to see the forest for the trees.

  • amelia February 23, 2008 (11:15 pm)

    I was posting in it for the first couple days… not rabidly, not praying, but trying to help keep it bumped up. I was hesitant about the monetary donations from the beginning. Once they started taking up money, it became something else all together and I backed off. Now it’s really getting ugly.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:19 pm)

    I have a correction to make. I misspoke in my previous post. They didn’t say they would “pray for me for I know not what I do”. It was “forgive them for they know not what they do”. I’ve done or said nothing with regards to this case or the vigil group that requires forgiveness.

  • amelia February 23, 2008 (11:20 pm)

    I remember that post… the person who posted it said the situation reminded her of Christ on the cross. Seriously? Get a grip.

  • Marie February 23, 2008 (11:30 pm)

    Amelia, praying for someone in this type of situation is a good thing to do. Offering moral support is a good thing to do. Donations at the right time and done with organization and oversight are a good thing to do. But the way this particular cause developed was doomed from the minute they started asking people to donate to a PayPal account and started the heavy promotion for money and sales. They drove it right into the ditch. Then they chose to attack anyone who expressed anything less than 100% belief and support for Christine. They did and said many un-Christian like things to those people. Now they are stunned by the negative backlash and mistakenly think it’s because they are praying and giving money. The one thing no one else has mentioned is that the behaviors of the very group that is purporting to be the only good online support for Christine, has now turned the focus from this case to themselves. Very sad.

  • vm9799 February 23, 2008 (11:58 pm)

    as a devout christian AND a member of the etsy community i am appalled at how some of our members are coming into other forum communities and saying the things that have been said. i know that they think they are defending christine, but they are making etsy look bad.

    i am one of those that posts fairly regularly to the threads…..offering up a prayer of support to christine as i can’t imagine what she and her 2 children are going through. to pray with someone does not a “religious zealot” make. to pray with someone in their darkest hours is THE MOST chrisitian thing one can do.

    i have not made any donations to the funds set up, nor have i used my shop to make money for the funds as i don’t believe that throwing money at this situation is what i’ve been led to do.

    however, i must say that i’ve been a bit surprised at some of the comments made here that lump ALL of us that are being supportive of christine into the same lump as the very few that have spouted off at the mouth. i think after reading what i just did about being lumped with the “haters” it all seems a bit hypocritical.

    there’s nothing worse than anyone, and i mean ANYONE doing or saying un-christian things in the name of christianity. and i’ve seen that from both etsy memebers AND people on this blog.

    it IS sad…..very sad indeed.

  • smyth February 24, 2008 (3:57 am)

    They’re still at it, how do they not realize how much negativity _they’re_ throwing off? Must be nice to always be right!

  • mumof6 February 24, 2008 (4:46 am)

    wow, now this is so christian like:

    sallyscreations says:
    all i know is that Pay Back is a B*tch…..
    Posted at 6:55 am, February 24 2008 EST

  • Marie February 24, 2008 (5:34 am)

    Hmmmm. Calling us fanatical. Mean. Have no lives. Do you people not see that these types of comments put the attention on you and off the family you purport to be helping. And for the umpteenth time–Nobody was originally upset because of the prayer and donating. It was the attacks on other people who expressed other opinions than the foul play scenario. That brought attention to your group and now you are the target of people just like you.
    Definition of fanatical: Adj. 1. fanatical – marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; “rabid isolationist”
    fanatic, overzealous, rabid
    Who is that really describing? Not the people who are discussing this case in a mature, level headed way and without calling people names.

  • neddy February 24, 2008 (7:39 am)

    I’ve been following this case as it has unfolded. Something similar happened to one of my aunts (her husband was found safe but very ill and confused), and I really feel horrible for Christine and her children. I refuse to speculate on what happened, because I simply do not have enough information.

    I’ve been a buyer on Etsy since November- I purchased most of my Christmas gifts there. I’ve always steered clear of the forums because they’ve always appeared to be full of cries for attention and persecution complexes. I read once that the forum users on Etsy were a small percentage of the actual sellers, so I try to keep that in perspective when I hear about threads gone astray.

    But- if the “heaping coals on heads” prayer and the “payback’s a bitch” comment actually occurred in a thread that was supposed to be spiritually supportive to Christine- wow! The public is watching, and many people are seeing Etsy for the first time through the remarks of such individuals. They should be ashamed. I’m thankful their shop links are connected with their comments.

    I can only pray that Nicholas is found safe, and that Christine and her children will be surrounded by love in this frightening time. I’m sad to see that people are obsessing over tears. They obviously have not been in a situation so traumatic that tears stop and start at random. Tears are not the only marker of sadness and despair, and speculation over her tears is unproductive.

  • david February 24, 2008 (8:40 am)

    any additional tidbits anywhere?

  • Marie February 24, 2008 (9:13 am)

    Neddy, here are some examples of things that were directed at people speculating about possible scenarios, by people from the “spiritually supportive” thread for Christine:
    —what a lowlife piece of cr*p you must be
    —it would be justice for this to happen to one of you
    —forgive them for they know not what they do
    —I dare you to post those opinions on Etsy
    There are more, but those are some of the ones that stand out the most.
    Given the many times cases like these have been brought to the public and turn out to be someone who ran away on their own, or was scamming people, it’s not unreasonable for people to discuss it and wonder if the same thing could be happening here. Some members of this group visited blogs and news sites where these discussions were going on in a very non-inflammatory and level headed way and verbally attacked people in those discussions with some of the above quoted comments, among many others. That is what turned people against them. It also opened the door for other people like them to attack them in the same way. Which I think is also wrong. And now they continue to publicly refer to “us” as hateful, not knowing any better, and more. They either don’t know any better themselves, or don’t care, that if these public comments continue, they will lose all support for their cause, if they haven’t already.
    And I have yet to see one single person say they hoped for the worst. Almost everyone has publicly stated that they hope this father and husband is found or comes back home safe and sound.

  • clowny February 24, 2008 (10:28 am)

    Here is one of the many quotes off the Etsy thread. How the heck is talking about others opinions about the situation going to bring Nicholas back? How are the words they type helping Christine? Quotes like this is why many Etsy sellers and buyers are put off by the whole thing. They are making it about themselves and becoming martyrs.

    sallyscreations says:
    because in all honesty…………..they are probably jealous in their sick twisted minds, about the attention as they see it,,,,,

    would just like to know who it is…so if i hearted their shop…i could unheart them…

  • ss February 24, 2008 (12:00 pm)

    One thing that has bothered me through all of this: It’s the Etsy supporters who have sought out the media attention on behalf of the Francisco family, not Christine herself. Which leads me to believe that this is a scam that was not intended to go this far.

  • mumof6 February 24, 2008 (12:41 pm)

    bigblueeyes says:
    it’s ok burny….there are quite a few of us that are upset by all the rudeness, hatefulness and negativity!

    just remember….”what goes around…comes around”….one day these people’s actions are going to come back to bite them in the butt!!!!

    do they ever stop spewing their nasty thoughts?

  • amelia February 24, 2008 (1:21 pm)

    RE: bigblueeyes says:
    it’s ok burny….there are quite a few of us that are upset by all the rudeness, hatefulness and negativity!

    I really want to know WHAT exactly they are perceiving as “rudeness, hatefulness, and negativity.” I am seeing the same six people posting in those threads over and over. I really hate how some “Christians” have this persecution complex. They give an entire religion a bad face.

  • Leanna February 24, 2008 (1:28 pm)

    Oh yes that group of Etsy sellers certainly have sought out attention and continue to do so in all ways. They do it to get even MORE sales. And no, I really don’t think anyones jealous of a bunch of attention seekers who want to toot their own horn and brag and compete with each other about how much they have given. MANY MANY people from all over the world have donated to try and help. Many churches and even personal and private and business websites have donated. Yet where else do you see it posted every minute? People who do it from the heart don’t need this kind of constant recognition and praise. Every single sale is reported like look at me look at me! Who knows if ANY of this Etsy promised money is really going to Christine anyways? No one keeps track of this, what about reported income? It’s like a game and Nicholas is barely mentioned its all about Christine. What if it turns out he left because he WANTED to leave? He could have driven there, left his car, got into someone elses car and driven away, we don’t KNOW. So will you continue this “Making money for Christine” FOREVER? I understand these sellers are making a KILLING right now, this is why they will drag it out as long as possible. Some of them are donating(so they say)10% of each sale. So the rest is going right into their own pockets. So it’s for THEM, not her. Shes gotten thousands and thousands pouring in from all over. This is not what people do when they JUST want to help—> http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5477821&page=4

  • justsoyouknow February 24, 2008 (1:43 pm)

    Most of the people on Etsy were just trying to do something good and helpful. We saw a family in crisis, we attempted to help. That was it. The thing that has bothered me, continually, is that there were some fellow Etsy members who went off Etsy and started saying bad things about those who were contributing to the support threads. Namely that we were attempting to self-promote, that we were forming some sort of cult, that we were trying to solicit donations and then pocket the money, that we were obsessive and hysterical, religious fanatics, etc. That’s what bothered me. I don’t care if people speculate about what actually happened to Nicholas Francisco. It’s human nature to speculate and I’ve even played detective myself, trying to figure things out. However, the hurtful comments by other members of the Etsy community are what really bothered me. Not only because they are supposed peers of mine, but because they instigated others outside of Etsy to think that we were doing something bad and wrong. THAT is the rudeness, hatefulness, and negativity that is being alluded to in the previous post. That IS NOT directed at anyone who is questioning the circumstances of Nicholas’ disappearance. That IS directed at fellow Etsy members who went around public forums badmouthing people who were doing nothing wrong.

  • Jana February 24, 2008 (3:54 pm)

    To Everyone reading this,
    This note is full of scripture so feel free to not read it; sorry it is so long. I just wanted to post this here since I know Christine might read it. Thank you!
    – Jana

    Dear Christine, & Family & Friends,

    My heart’s daily prayers are for you all to be joyfully reunited with your Nicholas here on earth… before your glorious reunion in heaven.

    As I’ve been praying (especially on Friday night, the 15th) I feel like the Lord has told me over and over again that “He’s okay, he’s with me, he’s okay, he’s with me…” If it was God, I do not know for sure. What that means I also do not know, because I know that the God is always with us in life and in death.
    Whatever it means though, I will continue to pray that you sense the presence of our Comforter, the one who leads us into all truth, the Holy Spirit. Listed below are some verses that comforted me when I found out I had End Stage Kidney Failure back in 2003. I hope that they will be a blessing to you as they were for me.

    Love, Because He First Loved Us,
    Jana, a sister from M.H. West Seattle

    Deuteronomy 31:8
    The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.

    2 Corinthians 1:8-11
    …8For we were so utterly burdened beyond our strength that we despaired of life itself. 9Indeed, we felt that we had received the sentence of death. But that was to make us rely not on ourselves but on God who raises the dead.

    Ephesians 3:14-21
    14For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

    John 9:1-3
    Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind
    1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
    3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

    Romans 15:13
    13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Exodus 2:25
    God saw the people of Israel – and God knew.

  • Leanna February 24, 2008 (5:37 pm)

    There are sellers from Etsy who are openly admitting that they are selling more than they have ever sold before because of this. Yet they are giving TEN PERCENT to donation and pocketing the other 90%. If that isn’t using this sad situation in a selfish, self serving and completely disgusting way then I dont know what is. Why don’t they just send some money and be done with it. Or make one sale and donate ALL of the proceeds? Because they are MAKING alot of money and they love it and will continue to milk the situation as long as they can, that’s why.

  • Marie February 24, 2008 (5:38 pm)

    No one had said anything bad about this support group until some of you attacked people on this blog and another news site’s forums. They brought the negative attention to you by publicly posting some very rude and insulting comments to a bunch of people who were discussing things. And at that time they had no way of knowing if they were Etsyians or not because at that point in time, Etsy hadn’t even been mentioned. If you read the early comments in this forum, you will see that. Those comments (attacks) happened because Christine had come to this blog and was upset by people speculating about Nicholas. She then went back and posted the link to it in your thread. That is when all this stuff started. To now turn it around and say you were attacked out of the blue by fellow Etsyians is not accurate.

  • KB February 24, 2008 (5:51 pm)

    There are sellers from Etsy who are openly admitting that they are selling more than they have ever sold before because of this. Yet they are giving TEN PERCENT to donation and pocketing the other 90%.
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Leann, where are you reading this? I haven’t read anything like this.

  • ipaint February 24, 2008 (5:53 pm)

    “That IS directed at fellow Etsy members who went around public forums badmouthing people who were doing nothing wrong.”

    The evangelical fanatics on that etsy thread do not represent “the etsy community” and if you think going off etsy to various other boards and stating as fact that they you do will not bring blowback you truly are living in a dream world.

    When people who have never heard of etsy start asking if etsy is affiliated with mars hill or saying the site sounds amwayish then as a professional who conducts business on the site I will speak up to set the record straight.

    The recent post of bible gibberish screams evangelical cult.

  • Leanna February 24, 2008 (5:57 pm)

    I have nothing against people praying or w/e they want to do if they think it helps, although the fasting is a bit much. Your group keeps saying though that God knows where Nicholas is and that only God can bring him home. If you believe that, then why doesn’t he do it now? Is this supposed to be some test or punishment? Why would God allow the suffering of all concerned to go on and on. Is he making everyone wait until theres been a certain amount of praying, or a certain amount of money collected? God wouldn’t allow this to continue OR allow it to happen in the first place, because God didn’t DO this. Either some bad person did this, or Nicholas did it, or maybe Nicholas AND Christine did it, but God didn’t cause it so don’t blame him and make it sound like he’ll bring Nicholas back if and when he’s good and ready to. I don’t think God picks and chooses who he will help and who he won’t. Have you thought though that maybe Nicholas doesn’t even want to come back? Then what?

  • Tara February 24, 2008 (7:06 pm)

    First off, I hope that Nicholas is found.

    Second, honestly if a loved one was missing, I would be happy to have so much attention and focus on it, whether positive or negative. Just keeping it all in the spotlight is so important. If it was my family member, I would say, keep the debate and discussion going, that way more people are focussing on the missing person and he is more likely to be found.

  • amelia February 24, 2008 (7:09 pm)

    “but because they instigated others outside of Etsy to think that we were doing something bad and wrong.”

    As Marie pointed out, this was not the case. The towering, promotion-filled threads garnered their own bad attention. Whatever happened to accountability? Sure, most of the originators of those threads probably had THE BEST intentions. But ENOUGH people saw it as a business opportunity, and now the name of Etsy leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who have only been exposed to it because of this case.

  • amelia February 24, 2008 (7:18 pm)

    Something I just thought of… I wonder if any Etsians have contacted admin to let them know about their feelings on this as far as public perception. So far I think admin has been really lenient in letting THEIR site be used in this manner. I am curious as to what the professional, business stance on this issue would be.

  • thinkingformyself February 24, 2008 (7:23 pm)

    I wish everyone would just shut up about Etsy already. What happened there is simple. A few well-meaning sellers wanted to help Christine, that led to some profiteers jumping on the bandwagon (which always happens) and here we are.

    It says nothing about the entire Etsy site, or about the originators of the thread to help Christine.

    BUT, this blog is supposed to be about searching for Nicholas, not about all the surrounding noise.

    Is there any updated news about his whereabouts?

  • Jilly February 24, 2008 (7:23 pm)

    How does one have debt in a Paypal accout? Christine said Nicholas was shielding her from his. How much can there really be?

  • amelia February 24, 2008 (7:25 pm)

    Good point, thinking. I am guilty of having lost the focus of this forum… it’s just nice to find people willing to look at different angles.

    The last I heard was that his cell phone records had been released and were being reviewed.

  • ipaint February 24, 2008 (7:34 pm)

    “Is there any updated news about his whereabouts?”

    Nope, nothing.

  • Jilly February 24, 2008 (7:39 pm)

    No one knows about Paypal? If so, please explain it to me! Thanks!

  • justsoyouknow February 24, 2008 (8:02 pm)

    Eh, forget it. I was trying to clear up a few things, but everyone’s going to think what they want anyway. I just really hope that they find out what happened to Nicholas sometime soon.

  • SHE February 24, 2008 (8:04 pm)

    Somewhere in all of this I still have not read why they left Mars Hill – does anyone know? Did something bad happen there or did they just decide to find another church. I know in one of the threads Christine asked to have the church link removed. Just wondering -also some were speculating earlier that perhaps Mars Hill was involved somehow?

  • Marie February 24, 2008 (8:20 pm)

    I haven’t researched it myself, but the little I’ve heard about Mars Hill and the “pastor” there is not good.

  • Pam February 24, 2008 (9:23 pm)

    “No one knows about Paypal? If so, please explain it to me! Thanks!”

    Jilly, I am a seller on Etsy and have been following this whole thing since the first night that Christine posted about her missing husband. The Paypal remark is one that I still can’t figure out!

  • Jilly February 24, 2008 (9:37 pm)

    Pam: thanks, I though it was just me. I am under the understanding that you can only have money IN your paypal account, not owe money to it.

    Crazy story.

  • Pam February 24, 2008 (9:45 pm)

    From a seller’s point of view, I only know that I can collect money in my PayPal account and can transfer money to my bank account….that in no way tells what kind of financial state me or my family is in. So I was baffled by that remark she made as well.

  • observer February 24, 2008 (10:11 pm)

    the PayPal thing had me confused as well. Except it could be that he had a PayPal *credit* card that she didn’t know about, and he ran up some debts on that. Or, he had a PayPal debit card tied to their main checking account, and he used it for transactions that she wasn’t aware of, and cleared out their account — thus putting them in such serious immediate financial “need”. This scenario, however, would seem to conflict with her statements that he hadn’t used any of his bank accounts. Unless, of course, he used them right before he disappeared, and she found that out and then cut him off from access. This would be reasonable if she did know that he had taken off. But it wouldn’t fit with what she’s been telling the police, the tv news reporters, and her many blog posts.

  • Suzanne February 24, 2008 (10:20 pm)

    I have watched the reports on Mr. Francisco from the Kansas City area since it has drawn national attention.

    Not only do I find the circumstances involving his disappearance highly suspect, Mrs. Francisco’s interviews are less than emotional, to say the least. I do understand great stress and how each person will deal with it differently. Because of that, I am trying to withhold judgement on her at this time.

    But I do have a few statements and questions.

    First of all, after reading the extremely long thread here, I don’t quite understand the requests for money for the family, especially in such a short period of time. That is quite bothersome. Are the extended families, both his and hers, unwilling or unable to offer help? Are there no friends? What about his employer? You would think in a situation like this, certain accomodations could be made.

    Second, I am not familiar with this Etsy site that is discussed at some length, but promotion of a web store(s) in her blogs or e-mails, perhaps it’s set into her signature, but if not, that is troubling. It does make all the posts and comments seem like a scam.

    Third, how was the car actually found? From the news report I saw, it was reported by a person in the apartment complex? Has the police or a search team been through the complex? Is this somewhere Mr. Francisco would have been familiar with?

    Fourth, if the advertisement agency and family, or whomever, had the ability to print thousands of flyers to post all over Seattle and surrounding areas, why is there no website designed specifically for Mr. Francisco. Shouldn’t that be a priority for support for the family and an opportunity to open up the publicity to a wider viewing audience?

    In turn, how is it that Mrs. Francisco has found so much time to continue blogging and surfing the Internet? Pregnant or no, I would be out on the streets beating down doors asking anyone and everyone if they had seen anything.

    I can’t help but feel some of the same cynicism others have admitted to in this blog. I do hope Mr. Francisco is okay, but things don’t add up, even from my far away seat in Kansas City.

  • mumof6 February 25, 2008 (2:55 am)

    Umm I read this on a blog it is one of christines friends:
    One of Matt’s best friends from high school has gone missing. His wife called me today very worried because he didn’t come home last night and hasn’t since. He was last seen leaving work at 6:10 pm yesterday and was headed to Safeway. They leave in SeaTac Washington, outside of Seattle, his work is in Seattle. The SeaTac police are involved and there are many people searching for him. We feel helpless, but the only thing she asked is that we pray and get as many people to pray as possible. We are all very worried and heartbroken.

    Anyway,….. I thought he was going to costco? did the story change?

  • Marie February 25, 2008 (4:48 am)

    I don’t know what to make of the PayPal comment eiher. Unless they had more money in the account that was gone when she checked. If there hasn’t been any activity on any of his debit cards or bank accounts, it could be that he cleared out the PayPal account before disappearing and is using that cash now. If he was “shielding” her, it could be he was trying to keep her from knowing that he was taking that money out.

  • Marie February 25, 2008 (5:02 am)

    It really is more likely to disappear on your own than to have had foul play when there is absolutely NO evidence of it. The only cases where I’ve seen someone disappear without a trace are when the husband or boyfriend are the main suspect and there was a history of problems.
    To leave no evidence, it’s usually a very meticulously and carefully planned action from beginning to end. You can’t just pick someone up, hurt them or worse, on the spur of the moment and not leave a single trace of evidence. But if you meticulously plan everything out, then it’s possible.
    From what everyone close to Nicholas are saying, there would be no reason for anyone to plan out a kidnapping or worse. If he was just grabbed, there would be signs of a struggle.
    The more time that goes on with no clues, the more likely it is that he planned this or did indeed have someone close to him who would have planned to harm him. I know if anyone randomly tried to take my hubby, I don’t care if they had a knife or gun, there would have been a huge fight and struggle that would have left some kind of trace. So no clues or evidence just doesn’t jive with an on the spot random kidnapping.

  • WSB February 25, 2008 (6:31 am)

    re: the person who asked about websites
    there are two. one is for searchers. the main one is
    http://www.mailpen.net

    re: any new news – not since a report Friday night that police would have access to his cell records. waiting to see if results of that come out this week.

  • Danette44 February 25, 2008 (7:58 am)

    What really bothers me is asking for donations so fast into the disappearance – if any of you ever follow other cases that is never brought up til later on, or if need for a Reward – which we know his employer did that for Christine. She tells us that she is the only one that knows her husband and that we shouldn’t voice our opinon’s, well my opinon on this case is, she apparently didn’t know her husband that well either if, he was able to take his money from PayPal and leave her broke! Not being hateful here or disrespectful, but she is letting other posters have it, while we are just trying to think of things that could of happen. Praying for Nicholas’s safe return home.

  • stubby February 25, 2008 (12:44 pm)

    If he had been snatched off the street or kidnapped, wouldn’t there be a ransom note, or something?

  • tracy tally February 25, 2008 (12:47 pm)

    Has anyone confirmed the other missing man to be found safe?

  • Callie February 25, 2008 (2:24 pm)

    Can anyone else get the church site link to work? Or has it now been taken down? I keep getting an error message today. ( the vox site in the thread above )

  • Callie February 25, 2008 (2:33 pm)

    I even went to http://www.marshillchurch.org ( which works ) and then clicked on the West Seattle campus link and it gives me the same error message. I guess they have taken it down due to the negative publicity surrounding this case?

  • adperson February 25, 2008 (2:40 pm)

    People seem to keep reading into the idea that he was “signing off” on something. We use that term to say we are approving an ad. This is a VERY normal thing to do before going home at the end of the day. It’s not suspicious.

  • mytwocents February 25, 2008 (3:11 pm)

    Someone speculated that if he left on his own, he might have gone to Canada. I haven’t driven across the border since last year and I think border controls have been tightened since then. I usually fly, using a passport. At the airport, passports are swiped through a machine on entry/exit of the country. Is the same done at drive through border crossings now? It would be fairly easy to get to Canada from Seattle, but I haven’t heard any local (police) speculation to indicate he may have crossed the border. In other cases of missing/wanted people you hear fairly quickly that so-and-so may be in Mexico, or may be in Canada, etc. — not saying that he couldn’t get there without anyone noticing, but I don’t know if a border crossing, right after disappearing would be something I’d try. Not unless I could get across the border before anyone suspected I was missing…

    I, too, find that something just doesn’t feel “right” about the disappearance but I don’t know what it is. I didn’t feel comfortable with the interviews I’d seen with Christine, but one thing that tempered my suspicions was her age. Compared to me (I’m 56) she seemed very young and immature, in a life-experience way. I wouldn’t handle myself the way she seems to be, but then again, I’ve had lots more life experience than she, and some of my experiences have been pretty tough. I imagine that some of the people commenting here have had more tough life experiences than Christine too, and we might all do things differently. I wonder why no one in her family or support group hasn’t stepped up and guided her more? I agree that for now, someone, if not Christine herself, should publicly thank people for their thoughts, prayers, and donations but ask people to please re-focus their efforts on helping find the missing husband.

    Do I understand correctly that no one saw anyone near the man’s car and that except for the two possible sightings on the day of the disappearance that no one, anywhere, has seen anyone who even looks like the missing guy? Aren’t there usually possible sightings, usually of people who may appear similar in features, but something? Unless the missing person is in hiding and not moving about at all…or else can’t move about…one would expect by now, the man might need food, whether at a restaurant or grocery store of some kind…unless, as has been suggested it was a very well-thought out plan to get away, or some kind of an abduction.

    I’m sure the police are covering even more possibilities than have been suggested here, but this “case” has a strange feeling to it. It seems to me that it may turn out to have either a very simple conclusion or a very complex one. Only more time will tell.

    I am reminded of that recent case, a year or so ago, of the Olympia man who developed amnesia and ended up wandering the streets in Colorado, or somewhere. Sorry! I forget the exact names, dates, or location. If I remember correctly he was on his way somewhere fairly close and disappeared due to a form of amnesia. I think it was the second time it had happened to the guy…

    Someone else mentioned that police are waiting for cell phone records. Does that mean he might still have his cell phone with him? I didn’t hear any mention that it was found in the car.

  • walkaway February 25, 2008 (3:25 pm)

    Another thing I found strange was during a television interview with Nicolas’s Mother, she was asked if Nicolas’s homelife was a happy one. The Mother went into detail about Nicolas’s personality and not once did she ever make reference to Christine. Ever! This leads me to believe that Nicolas’s own Mother doesn’t think much of Christine or she would have boasted about how happy she made Nicolas. But not one word in her behalf.
    I’m inclined to believe that the marriage was on the rocks and Christine got pregnant with this 3rd child just to keep him and at that point, he probably said, “that’s it, I’m done!”

  • A friend February 25, 2008 (3:27 pm)

    Callie, please…the entire vox pop section is down, not just the West Seattle part. Even if it was just the WS page, that’s a pretty far stretch of the imagination.

  • thinkingformyself February 25, 2008 (3:30 pm)

    Here’s a legal question. If he left on his own, and planned this out – what crime has he committed? If found, can he be forced to return to his wife and children?

  • A friend February 25, 2008 (3:31 pm)

    Wow, walkaway…do you have any kids? I know if my son was missing, I’d be talking about him the whole time. No disrespect meant, but I probably wouldn’t really mention the wife either. The wife isn’t missing – the son is. She seemed upset & nervous to be on camera to me – not like she was purposely avoiding saying anything about her daughter-in-law.

  • Marie February 25, 2008 (3:44 pm)

    I happen to think it is strange that she didn’t mention Christine when asked about Nicholas’ home life. His wife is after all, a part of that life. I also heard, and have not verified, that in another interview Nicholas’ mom referred to Christine as “the wife”. That she didn’t even call her by name. Now that is very unusual.
    Last I knew, going missing is not a crime. They could probably ask them to reimburse the city for the cost of the search if that is what happend. But I’m not sure of that either.

  • mytwocents February 25, 2008 (3:49 pm)

    Maybe impounding the car will prove to be helpful. Someone suggested the police watch the car. That probably would have taken more resources than the police wanted to commit plus, their first instinct would be to process the car for clues. However, if the car was being moved from place to place in the apartment complex, whoever was moving it now doesn’t have access to it. If it were the missing guy using the car or even moving it from place to place, he now doesn’t have access to the car. If someone had stolen the car and was moving it about the parking lot for whatever reason (or using it), they no longer have access to it. Maybe that will force the issue.

    I remember when I lived in Oakland, CA that tenants of the apartment building across the street from our house would frequently steal cars and drive them home to their apartments. Who knows, maybe the police will get a break now that the car has been impounded, even if there weren’t any helpful clues inside the car?

  • mytwocents February 25, 2008 (4:06 pm)

    I think Marie is right. I don’t think it’s a crime to disappear, unless you are trying to defraud someone (like claiming to be dead to collect on an insurance policy). If it were a hoax or if it were proven that someone else helped stage the disappearance for profit or as I said, to defraud someone, then that might make it a crime. But to just walk away might not be a crime. It’s not as if he abandoned his children in a way that would threaten their physical lives. But then, again, there are all sorts of legal issues, probably, that have nothing to do with what the police would consider a crime.

    Remember the “runaway bride?” I think she got into legal trouble because she claimed she had been abducted and filed a false police report. The running away part wasn’t the crime…

  • mzap February 25, 2008 (5:25 pm)

    New here – and have to say that the more I read about this, the worse I feel for Nicholas. He seems to have been under a lot of pressure from both his family and his church – and that can make people do strange things – even people who have been extremely responsible up until the time they snap. I *really* hope that he’s just gone into hiding and not been a victim of foul play. And I know his wife must feel horrible, but I think it would help if she considered the fact that he may have been overwhelmed.

  • johnjakab February 25, 2008 (6:33 pm)

    should we all speculate on your life Marie
    because after all we are all entitled to our opinions
    right?

    What is Etsy?
    you said they are obsessive but do you realize over 40 of these posts are yours

    Gosh i heard about this thread from some friends , and What a bunch issues you all have..

    Focus on your own life!!!

  • justfortherecord February 25, 2008 (8:07 pm)

    So what issues do you have johnjakab?
    You don’t like what some people have to say or you think we should limit how many times one person can post?
    Anyone can post their opinions whatever they are and however many times they want.
    Back on topic. Has anything come out yet about the phone records for his cell phone? I haven’t been able to find anything about that. And how would they know that he doesn’t know anyone in the apartment complex where they found his car? I know people through my business my wife doesn’t know.

  • Michele February 25, 2008 (8:19 pm)

    I would think Christine would be focuing on her husband being missing and not on blogs blasting posters that are just trying to come up with anything that could help bring him home. I hope that the LE reads these blogs also as it gives them insite to what others are saying. LE in my opinon need to go and take her computer and see what is on it – and for cryinoutloud give her a polygraph – so we can ease our minds that she has nothing to do with this. They do it to husbands, brothers, boyfriends, girlfriends, so why not this wife??? Does anyone know the police departments name in her town or an email address? I know the police and LE reads the forum at trutv and courttv, so why not here. And yes these are just my opinon of course!

  • WSB February 25, 2008 (8:43 pm)

    Posted a few hours ago:
    http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

  • KB February 25, 2008 (8:58 pm)

    johnjakob,

    You are counting someone’s posts… now tell me WHO is obsessive?

    I suggest you take your own advice johnjakab…and

    Focus on your own life!!!

    If you don’t like it here, why read, why post, no one is hurting anyone.

  • justme February 25, 2008 (9:16 pm)

    justfortherecord, I agree with you about all of these statements that he had no connection with anyone in the condo complex. The only person that would realy know that for certain is Nicholas. I think his wife can speculate that he didn’t have a know anybody that lived there but she can’t know that for certain. Especially if he did know someone and didn’t want his wife to know about it.

  • observer February 26, 2008 (10:37 am)

    well this may post twice. I’ve noticed sometimes comments post immediately here, and sometimes they take awhile. So this is my second try! But with some revised info anyway.

    I saw on another blog that there will be a mass for Nicholas and his family at a Catholic church in Forest Grove, OR tomorrow night: http://www.stanthonysforestgrove.org/nicholas_francisco.htm

    I went to the church’s home page and it says that Nicholas is “Deborah’s brother”. And I see on the contact page that Deborah Francisco is Coordinator of the Youth Ministry at the church.

    It also notes that a collection will be taken for “the Francisco family.”

  • GhostWriter February 26, 2008 (12:59 pm)

    Perhaps the residents of the condo were interviewed to see if anyone knew Nicholas? I know that people can and do lie, but this seems to be a logical course of action.

    I read the America’s Most Wanted article and it was the first time I read that there is a laptop missing too. I don’t know what that means, but I find that interesting.

  • Callie February 26, 2008 (1:14 pm)

    http://knitting.meetup.com/119/boards/thread/4257625

    Just saw this too. She must really be raking in the funds. From everywhere.

  • mytwocents February 26, 2008 (1:53 pm)

    Local news said the complex where his car was found was canvassed, asking if anyone knew or had seen Nicholas. Which doesn’t mean that he wasn’t sitting in a back bedroom at one of the units and the person who answered the door just said, “no.” I don’t think the police or volunteers are going to have access to each unit to search it completely. Until something more concrete comes up, they have to rely on what the person who answers the door tells them.

    But I do agree that the wife can’t possibly know everyone that her husband knows…especially casually. He meets people or sees them as he walks past them as his day goes by and if she isn’t there along side of him, she can’t know.

    I don’t see that it would be that weird to think he ran into someone he recognized (even if they weren’t a true friend) or that for whatever reason, someone asked him for help, or for a ride and he got himself into trouble by being a nice guy.

    I think there are several possibilities for what happened to Nicholas, most have been discussed here. It seems a “waiting game” now until something else becomes revealed, whether it be something in the cell phone records, a sighting, or actually finding him.

  • marjorie February 26, 2008 (7:33 pm)

    I know people do different things then me. But I was just wondering this, If my husband was on his way home,or running errands and wasn’t home within I would say less then an hour of when he said he would be….. Wouldn’t you be calling him? Would you start to be concerned in the morning? That sounded strange to me from the get go. I am not one to assume the worst either, but I think we are going to find out that there is something else going on. Either way his mother was distrought, there was no faking that. I hope there is nobody deliberatly putting a mother through that pain. I do hope I am wrong however, and I hope this has a happy ending.

  • beobjective February 26, 2008 (7:44 pm)

    Marjorie, his phone was dead, as she and all of the news articles have stated. She couldn’t call him. If it were me, I think that, knowing his phone was dead and he couldn’t reach me, I would actually give him a bit longer to arrive home. I know that my boyfriend would try to reach me if he could if he was going to be late. If his cell phone was dead, he couldn’t do that, and I might be inclined to simply wait it out. Things happen. My boyfriend came home two hours late a few weeks ago, and it happened that he had emailed me, which is normally the best way for me to receive any news, etc., rather than the phone, but I hadn’t seen it, and his phone was dead. I was pretty worried, but I knew he didn’t have his phone and it was entirely possible that he’d had to stop off somewhere, so I just waited for him to get home. Not fun, but also not a suspicious move, on my part.

  • toomanyboredpeople February 27, 2008 (5:18 am)

    I have known Christine since we were in the seventh grade and ended up here randomly through google.
    You can take my word for what it is worth or continue to live bored lives and “speak openly” about people you have never met. I really don’t care. As a matter of fact I don’t even know why I feel the need to say this because there will undoubtedly be those who will take it upon themselves to personally defend their right to say dumb things in front of people they will never have to meet.
    So, If you are that guy, you can quit reading this and just write angry things, ok?

    If not, thank you.

    The simple fact is I have seen her go through many hard times and she has always been strong through them until she is alone. She would never cry on camera because she is too focused on her goal of getting the message out. She would not argue on a newscast because she knows how it works, just because it is filmed does not mean it will air. All that matters to her is letting as many people know what is happening as possible in hopes that somebody will see or know something, and yes I am sure that was her posting on this site because she can’t help but search through anywhere she can think of to find new info or clues because she cannot just sit back and hope things work out. She has to spend every waking moment trying to find him herself in any way she can attempt. Even if she knows she will have to wade through the waist-high sludge of the tragically bored and emotionally damaged people speculating about the intricacies of her own life and family. But I respect their right to do so, even if i think they might need to get a little more fresh air.

  • tara February 27, 2008 (6:04 am)

    Any thoughts on the the possbility of there being a connection with the other man that also went missing?

  • Susie February 27, 2008 (6:11 am)

    The wife has two shops on etsy.com. Although both are now closed temporarily, you can still access them. These are the links. http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5588252 and
    http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5008691
    In the second shop, under her profile description, she claims to be a mother of three. Yet, all the information about her elsewhere says she is pregnant, with two children. Would anyone state that they have three children when one is still unborn and due eight months from now?

    Does anyone else think this is strange??

  • Susie February 27, 2008 (6:47 am)

    Why is his etsy shop still open, selling graphic design services? The wife’s shops both state they are temporarily closed. Why wouldn’t the wife have closed down his shop too?
    This is his shop:
    http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5591152
    You can still purchase his services. My first thought when I saw this story was that he ran away on the cusp of Valentines Day to be with another man. Okay, go ahead and hate me. But just wait and see what really happens. And as far as a money scam goes, if it looks like one and smells like one, it probably is one.

  • AC February 27, 2008 (8:51 am)

    First time poster here. Just wanted to add my two cents.

    I have to say that it seems like a strange coincidence that the family officially leaves the Mars Hill Church on Monday, and 2 days later Nicholas disappears. This church and it’s pastor Mark Driscoll (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/1130/cover.html) and other leaders preach that the man needs to be the bread winner and head of household, and the wife is to abandon any career she may have in order to support the family and have babies as quickly as possible to expand their following.

    Now, I’m not bashing the church, however I’d have to speculate that the church does not take well to families like this leaving their following. Mark Driscoll has been quoted many times about having to get control of young men in order to ensure they follow his ideas. Mark Driscoll and other Mars Hill pastors own houses in the Seattle area rented by young single men who are attendees of the church. Just saying that as a pastor, he believes it’s his calling to groom these men into following his ideas.

    Not to mention that the Seattle area is an increasingly expensive place to live. Supporting a wife and 2.5 kids has to put an immense amount of pressure on Nicholas. It’s an expensive place to raise a family. People all react differently to those pressures.

    I personally would like more information as to why the family left Mars Hill, and the church’s reaction. Of course, it’s none of my business. However, the media and blog frenzy which has ensued over this case have created more questions than answers.

  • sad4itall February 27, 2008 (11:27 am)

    I agree with AC-I think he couldn’t live up to the expectations of that church and by leaving the church finally felt the freedom to leave. It’s all so sad-no matter what really happened.

  • sad4itall February 27, 2008 (11:59 am)

    freedom to leave his family and all the expectations behind, that is.

  • hepcat February 27, 2008 (1:41 pm)

    “if you can’t say somethin’ nice, don’t say anything at all.” ~ Thumper

  • Merry February 27, 2008 (1:44 pm)

    Has it been mentioned anywhere about this man’s medical history? Does he have a history of bi-polar, depression, schizophrenia? Was he taking any type of medication? I pray that he is found alive and returns to his family and friends.

  • WSB February 27, 2008 (1:48 pm)

    http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824

  • observer February 27, 2008 (3:24 pm)

    Just a heads-up for those following the “Etsy” angle to this story. This morning a well-meaning Etsy member set up a separate forum thread to discuss/speculate various ideas of what might have happened to Nicholas, in hopes of coming up with something that LE may have missed. She originally asked some questions on the Christine & Nicholas “support” thread and was advised that it would be better to have a separate thread on the topic. However, shortly after opening the new thread, several people posted that it was “inappropriate” and that there could be legal issues with such speculation, etc. Then an Etsy moderator shut it down. You can still read what was written before it was shut down here: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

    They also shut down the current “support” thread, and when another was opened, that was shut down fairly quickly too. Seems that maybe the Etsy leadership got concerned about the continuing controversy around this story.

    There is a “support blog” that has been set up but not many posts there compared to what was going on at the Etsy forum for the past almost-two-weeks.

  • Michele February 27, 2008 (3:34 pm)

    Blogs – are for people to voice their opinins and as WSB site admin stated awhile back, we may voice our opinon’s. People are missing everyday – and alotof the family and friends of other missing people get out there and join together and search – hang posters – get on the media and BEG, PLEA for their loved ones safe return…..Christina is more worried about Donations, Gift Cards, Care Packages, not a BIGGER Reward for her husband! She couldn’t even attend the VIGIL for her husband, there have been far more cases worst than a missing man and they are out there searching! Alot of us have either been thru this or know of friends that have. No excuse in the world not to join family and friends to search for your loved one…..she has people around her 24/7, she can get away from that house and try to help also! She is making herself look bad no one else. Thank God for her husband’s employer, they helped in the Reward and hired a PI! Praying Nicholas is found safe.

  • thinkingformyself February 27, 2008 (9:06 pm)

    Christine has said that the reason she did not attend the vigil or participate in the searches is that she is pregnant.

  • justme February 27, 2008 (10:04 pm)

    So she is maybe 6 weeks pregnant, her husband is missing and she can’t motivate herself to go to a vigil for him????? I read that she had had a miscarriage last April so she was being careful with this one (if in fact she is pregnant, we only have her word that she is) but seriously, has her doctor put her on bed rest? If not then she should have been there, or at least be honost about why she didn’t go.

  • usingcommonsense February 27, 2008 (10:07 pm)

    The reason, she couldn’t attend the vigil is that she’s pregnant? WHEW, hold on a sec there, it’s not like she’s due any day now !
    I my opinion, her behavior over the last 2 weeks is more than weird, not too call it suspicious. And it seems that this opinion is more and more adopted by the KC Sheriffs Dept.

  • bekindplease February 27, 2008 (10:10 pm)

    “Never look down on anybody unless you’re helping him up.” ~ Jesse Jackson

  • toomanyboredpeople February 27, 2008 (11:04 pm)

    Seriously people, this is not an episode of csi here, this is real life and real people. If this were your family you would look at it a little differently I am sure, so try it from that perspective. Some of us actually know these people and care about them. They are normal people, not imaginatively written tv characters for your entertainment. A sasquatch did not come out of the woods and take him just the same as this is not some crazy money snatching scam that would never work or make any sense if you had the whole story. Ocham’s Razor anybody? Google it.

  • jlsan February 28, 2008 (12:13 am)

    Sorry but I find her behavior to be oh so strange. The “crying” with no tears. Stating that she felt the baby move at 7 weeks gestation. Now she cant even go to a vigil for her missing husband because she is pregnant? I dont want to offend but if my loved one was missing like this I would be out there pounding the pavement and beating every bush.

  • observer February 28, 2008 (12:26 am)

    Toomanyboredpeople wrote:

    “A sasquatch did not come out of the woods and take him just the same as this is not some crazy money snatching scam that would never work or make any sense if you had the whole story. ”

    So, do YOU have “the whole story”, toomany? If so, have you shared it with LE or the many coworkers, family, and friends that have been searching for Nicholas? The friends that came all the way from Colorado to help Christine and her family last week? Nicholas’s rightfully worried mother and his two sisters who are both in church youth leadership and holding services at their Catholic churches in Oregon this week? Have you shared the “whole story” with all the people that have been contributing money and gifts to Christine and her kids?

    I think the vast majority of people here are really interested in learning the “whole story” so if you have it, I hope you’ll share. TIA.

  • Michele February 28, 2008 (3:12 am)

    Good post “observer”, that floored me when I heard she felt the baby move at 7-8 weeks. Now I hear people are taking shifts at her home. I can see if she is out searching for her husband, but she isn’t doing anything except collecting donations, them donations aren’t finding her husband…..do people not realize that the more the donation the more people look! I know the police reads the court tv boards and I pray they read these also, Christine makes herself look bad – not us. Even Scott Peterson attended his wifes vigil and he killed her! I really want to know why she hasn’t taken a polygraph – or her computers taken so they can search it. Everything is her word, how do we know what she says is actually the truth?? The longer this goes on the more I feel Nicholas isn’t coming home.

  • KB February 28, 2008 (4:47 am)

    To toomanyboredpeople… so you know the family and this blog is upsetting to you? Then I suggest you quit coming here to read.

    You seem like a control freak… hmmmm, that must be why Christine’s behavior seems A-OK to you.

  • marie February 28, 2008 (6:07 am)

    This is a discussion of the Nicholas Francisco disappearance. Blogs like this with message boards are made for that—discussion.
    Many people, including Christine herself, have posted some rude and insulting comments to try and silence the discussion. As if you can tell the public to stop talking about this case because you don’t like where the discussion is going. You can’t tell the public to stop talking about a case that has been brought to the national media. Then her support group hijacked the discussion and turned it into something else.
    Like one of my previous posts commented way up there somewhere, there are too many things about this case that just don’t add up.
    Or, what they add up to is what is upsetting Christine and those close to her.
    KB has good advice. If you don’t like where the discussion leads to, don’t read it.
    For her to continue accepting all the donations that are still coming in, and there are lots, is inappropriate at this time. The longer she continues to allow people to deposit money directly into her PayPal or bank account with no one overseeing this so-called “fundraising”, the questions regarding that aspect of the case will continue because it makes her look very bad.

  • justme February 28, 2008 (6:43 am)

    The freedom that allows those of you that are supporting CF to post here, and other boards, are the same freedoms that allow those of us that are not looking at this blindly to discuss it here. So telling us what and how to voice our concerns will not change a thing.

    Remember, the issues being discussed were not created by those that are discussing it.

  • marie February 28, 2008 (6:46 am)

    I just read johnjakab’s comment aimed at me. Hmmmm. You don’t have to speculate about my life based on the number of times I posted. I had some time off and this case is interesting. So I posted lots. I made no disparaging comments. Sounds like something may have hit too close too home for you. If you want to count posts made by people discussing this issue, I suggest you go to this site http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=95a5a53ff457b9f36f0d3dfb559f725c&threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
    There are lots of posts by the same people who are doing the same thing we are—–discussing this odd case and all the possible scenarios.
    Sorry to go off topic. I wanted to address that little rant that was aimed at me.

  • sickenedbythepain February 28, 2008 (10:32 am)

    I’m not a part of etsy and pretty far from ya’ll, I’m just wondering if he is found dead are each of you nay sayers going to send her an apology. What you are saying here has went from questions to accusations. The first poster to post the question did so with a certain level of respect that has spiraled into a hate filled witch hunt. We don’t know what happened. Calling people whores and ignorant is rude. I would think most of the etsy people want to do what they can, maybe they have no money to spare and they happen to have target gc’s or maybe they can’t give anything now but could if someone bought from their store. I hate that rather than trying to see the best in people you are all out to see the worse. There is a way to have a conversation about doubts and suspicions without dragging people threw the mud. I hate reading these msg boards, it reminds me how hurtful and evil the world is. BTW, if someone was accusing my friend of what you are, I would have MUCH stronger words than god dumping coal on your heads;)
    Much love to all those in pain.
    -SBTP

  • WSB Editor February 28, 2008 (10:48 am)

    Hi all. It’s been quite some days without any significant information and this thread has long since outlived its usefulness, especially considering this is a story we are no longer covering actively on the West Seattle Blog (if any West Seattle-related angle reappears – the only original one was the fact Mr. Francisco had attended church here – we will be posting something new on the home page). So I am closing these comments; many of you seem to have come from discussions on sites such as “insessiontrials” and “websleuths” so I’m sure you have a good place to continue the speculation there. If any of you actually live and/or work in West Seattle, we invite you to visit this site for its main mission, which is to provide WS with 24/7/365 WS-specific news, information and discussion. Take care!

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