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April 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm #586700
charlabobParticipantThe mega effects of 8 years of Republican rule are obvious. There are dangerous ripples that aren’t obvious. Here’s one really scary byproduct of the war on science:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/05popline.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
April 6, 2008 at 10:55 pm #621605
JoBParticipantcharla..
we couldn’t agree more…
we need to stop this insanity… the laws they have managed to pass are just the tip of the this iceberg.. it’s all the “little” decisions routinely made by agencies that are going to be a nightmare finding and correcting…
April 6, 2008 at 10:57 pm #621606
charlabobParticipantAnd the fact that Johns Hopkins University (which ain’t Oral Roberts Fundie U) buckled! Sounds a little like China and Google, doesn’t it?
April 6, 2008 at 11:09 pm #621607
rdmacMemberCant wait to hear “The House” reply to this one.
April 6, 2008 at 11:24 pm #621608
AnonymousInactiveApril 7, 2008 at 12:40 am #621609
JoBParticipantJt..
i don’t think i can watch that even as a joke.
it makes my heart hurt to hear that man speak about anything important.
charlabob..
this is what has been so insidious …
These idiots are dumbing down our own universities and controlling our science…
they have lost us the competitive deg we had 10 years ago!
And they do it all through quiet phone calls to someone who is afraid of the consequences of not buckling under…
it’s only when the press actually stumbles on some news and reports it that those at the top of the institutions suddenly start harrumphing and say it never should have happened… as though this is the first time they have heard about it…
Because a lot of it has been done quietly by phone.. without actual written directives…it’s going to be very difficult to undo the damage..
April 7, 2008 at 12:48 am #621610
AnonymousInactiveJoB, it’s a kid imitating him. I would never subject you to the real thing:)
April 7, 2008 at 12:59 am #621611
JoBParticipantJT…
I apologize profusely… i should have trusted you…
that made me laugh too hard..
but somehow i feel guilty…
like i laughed at someone’s handicap…
i noticed the kid’s score was 3500 to 500 for those who loved it… i declined to vote:)
April 7, 2008 at 1:01 am #621612
JanSParticipantApril 7, 2008 at 1:24 am #621613
JoBParticipantdoes anyone know where the original soundtrack came from?
April 7, 2008 at 5:37 am #621614
JanSParticipantJoB…click on the link in #9…it was originally a Will Ferrell skit on SNL :)
April 7, 2008 at 5:53 am #621615
JoBParticipanti like the kid better:)
April 8, 2008 at 9:06 am #621616
JanSParticipantand speaking of Dems getting their act together…
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/opinion/08herbert.html?th&emc=th
April 8, 2008 at 2:50 pm #621617
charlabobParticipantInteresting, Jan. I don’t quite understand why poor folks trust Clinton more (or, sadly, why they trust the Democrats at all, given our recent track record. But it does give me hope.
Frankly, I just wish the blipping primary would get over so we can officially begin the defeat of McCain.
c
April 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm #621618
charlabobParticipantRepugs on McCain — they’re reassessing their positions — check, especially, Thad Cochran. That should make a good ad for us :-)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/03/AR2008020303242_pf.html
April 8, 2008 at 5:32 pm #621619
AnonymousInactiveHere’s what worries me. All these repugs are going to band together and support him even though they can’t stand him and think he’s unfit.
Meanwhile, dems for each candidate have already decided to go in a corner and pout if their choice doesn’t win the nomination.
April 8, 2008 at 5:39 pm #621620
flipjackParticipantHere’s something Dems and Repugs should know about the elections
April 8, 2008 at 6:52 pm #621621
SAMembercharlabob,
If the Dems were really interested in getting the Constitution back they would have started impeachment hearings long ago. Instead, I assume, they strategized doing so would cost them in November.
Clinton lies about an extra-marital affair and he gets impeached. Bush lies about WMD and Iraqi links to Al-Queda so he can wage an unprovoked aggressive war… and thousands of innocent people are dead.
Bush p*sses and sh*ts on the Constitution and they’re not interested in doing the right thing? Oh, that’s right, it might harm their chances in November… so the Constitution be damned. Afterall, it’s just a piece of paper.
April 10, 2008 at 5:11 am #621622
JoBParticipanti think the whole impeachment thing is a hard call.
I agree that Bush and his whole crew including Ms Rice have certainly committed impeachable offenses… and i would love nothing better than to see the lot of them rot in jail.
if nothing else, impeaching Bush would take him off the public dole for the rest of his life. we can’t afford him.
and it would really put a crimp in the republican power base.. and sink a McCain presidency before the election.
however, impeachment would consume huge resources.. time.. energy.. money.. attention.. all of which we desperately need focused elsewhere.
and impeachment, even if it was successful, would guarantee that congress would be tied up in deadlock for at least the first couple of years.
If there is one thing democrats are united about, it’s that we need to focus our attention on taking back our country.
April 10, 2008 at 5:14 am #621623
JoBParticipantI am so tired of this inflated news story that democrats will go sulk in the corner if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination… giving the election to the republicans. What a crock!
Democrats will unite under any democrat.. it doesn’t much matter who.
let’s stop chewing our own legs off because the right wing press says we are too conflicted to win an election… who are they kidding?… i would vote for any democrat before i would vote for McCain for president.. and i am not alone…
despite what the pundits say.. i don’t think we are going to have a problem with party unity in the fall no matter who our candidate is.
As for the rest of America.. who won’t vote for a black.. or for a woman. let’s get real.
their only other choice is McCain.. a republican who says he doesn’t know much about the economy… in spite of the vote of respect from our current financial guru.
Americans will vote the economy unless we continue to allow the press to distract them with non-stories…
and we no longer believe in trickledown economics… prosperity isn’t what is trickling down.
the republican take the economy has nearly bankrupted this country. If China called in it’s notes, we would be the ones looking for a bailout from the world bank.. and not likely to get it either.
The republican take on economics has bankrupted Americans…
people may stand still for someone else losing their house.. but if the housing market continues to slide.. and there is little to stop it.. they won’t stand for losing their hard earned equity. I know people in Vegas who have lost 1/3 of the value of their homes in the last year.. and there are more repossessed houses going on the market in their neighborhood every day.
Fuel costs are out of control and now food costs have followed …partly because of fuel costs but also because we are now foolishly using food to make biodiesel… we don’t have food riots like Haiti yet.. but if this keeps up we will.
Americans aren’t feeling so prosperous.. and the last time they felt prosperous, a democrat was at the Helm.
All we really have to do is focus on what we do right.. not what we do wrong… and be vigilant about fraud.. and we can win this election.
April 10, 2008 at 3:17 pm #621624
charlabobParticipantThere was nothing hard about the impeachment call. Obviously it cannot take place now. Had it begun in 2006 when we could have held hearings, it would have made a difference. We had a bully pulpit — we hid under it.
Has our cowardice resulted in passing an extension of the Children’s health program? Nope! Has it resulted in getting a new GI Bill of right passed? Nope! Our friends on the other side still filibuster against post office naming bills. What exactly have we won?
Sorry, but it’s just another in a long list of cowardly moves by the centrist Democratic Leadership that shows they’re far behind the American(sic) people and that they’re only interested in getting and keeping their power.
April 10, 2008 at 3:33 pm #621625
JoBParticipantWell charla..
how do you think the republican press would have played a democratic congress who went after their president during this thing we are or are not calling a war?
we can’t get simple bills past the deadlock of congress and you think we would have been able to do anything more than make a grandstand gesture of filing the paperwork for impeachment?
If we can’t get simple bills passed we probably couldn’t get an impeachment passed either…
so.. is it cowardice to survive to fight another day?
i don’t think so.
April 10, 2008 at 5:27 pm #621626
SAMemberI’m sure the Reps thought they had little to no chance of removing Clinton from office when they started the impeachment process. They wanted to take some type of moral stand that perjury would not permitted. Fine. Point made. But, thousands of people are dead, prisoners are tortured, and the Dems don’t think that warrants an investigation? By doing nothing Congress is in fact validating everything that Bush has done.
I care more about this country and the Constitution than whether the next president is a Dem or Rep. I will not vote for a Dem just because they’re the lesser of two evils. They need to earn my vote and they can start by taking a stand to show future generations that there are limits to the president’s powers.
April 10, 2008 at 5:59 pm #621627
JoBParticipantwhat did the republicans gain by impeachment?
as it turns out, they gained a lot.
They distracted america with sensationalism and created a power base from which to launch the next presidential campaign with the perfect candidate… someone who encouraged America to suspend critical thought and believe slogans.
They disgusted democrats with their continual revelations of debauchery and accusations…
And they thought they just might have pulled it off.
Had Clinton actually been guilty of doing even a fraction of what Bush has done, they would have pulled it off.. they had a solid majority to work with.
And, they had the help of the media to sell it.
What would the democrats have gained by trying to impeach Bush?
Not a lot.. other than the satisfaction of having done the “right” thing.
They didn’t stand a remote chance of pushing an impeachment through congress even though bush’s offenses are clearly impeachable offenses. I am not sure they even had the clout to convene hearings.
Bush’s lies aren’t distracting in even a reality tv sort of way… The consequences have been far too serious.
Nobody had to feel badly about their judgement with Bill.. after all philandering isn’t a matter of public safety….. although they did get a fair amount of america to become disgusted with him.
However, half of America elected Bush for a second term in spite of ample evidence of his lack of respect for the law. If he is wrong, they were wrong.
The part of the American public who doesn’t have a vested interest in believing it’s a pack of lies about a great president already know he was guilty of impeachable offenses.
It would simply be preaching to the choir.
instead of disgusting republicans, the media bias toward the republican agenda would only reinforce public opinion towards the “pack of lies” theory… benefit of the doubt.. open to interpretation…
and besides.. it’s un-american to try to impeach a sitting president during wartime.
Sound familiar? i think we heard a version of this from the media during his second campaign…
impeachment proceedings would have been likely to lose democratic support after the media machine whitewashed his crimes…
our media would not help the democrats sell impeachment proceedings against President Bush.. in fact they would actively work to sell the opposing viewpoint.
So, besides validating the opinions of those who need no validation of Bush’s crimes, how would a failed impeachment attempt really have helped?
I don’t believe we would have a viable democratic candidate if they had tried to impeach.
Long term, that’s important to me.
April 11, 2008 at 5:42 am #621628
AnonymousInactiveI’m really sick of the blaming Bush for the war that should never have happened. One life lost in war is too many, but how many lives have been saved while Bush has been in office? There has not been one single terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11.
I think it is extremely naive to assume that there was no reason at all for our Government to decide to go to war. Unless you work at the Pentagon, or in the White House or for any other Government agency, for that matter, you do not have all the facts and all the intelligence in front of you to make that assumption.
I’m just sayin.
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