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July 26, 2012 at 7:07 pm #765020
skeeterParticipantJamminj, post 19, you state “when one demands that the rights of others be violated it becomes full-fledged hate.”
Just to clarify, President Obama, until about 5 or 6 weeks ago, was a supporter of “traditional marriage.” He did not believe that anyone other than a man and woman should be allowed to be married. He has since changed his mind and made his views public.
My question to you is this. Did President Obama engage in “full-fledged hate” while he was a supporter of traditional marriage? Or did he simply have an opinion that differed from yours?
My question comes out of frustration. I’m seeing a lot of comments in media and social media similar to yours. If an individual believes that the state should limit marriage to opposite-sex couples, that person is a bigot and full of hate. I find those accusations unfair. Well-meaning people often come to different conclusions about what is best for society. That has been true for hundreds of years. I much prefer a public forum in which people argue the merits of their beliefs and do not accuse those with different beliefs of being hateful.
July 26, 2012 at 9:51 pm #765021
metrognomeParticipantthe issue here for me is not that Mr. Cathy believes in traditional marriage, which is his right, but that he donates millions to organizations that actively oppose ‘equal rights’ for gay people. The money for those contributions comes from customers; therefore, if there was a Chik-fil-A in Seattle, I wouldn’t eat there.
oddreality — can’t answer your question for sure, but here is an interesting quote:
‘The chain, according to the report, has 1,608 restaurants, sales of more than $4 billion and employees who are trained “to focus on values rooted in the Bible.” Chick-fil-A’s across the country shut down on Sundays.’
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chick-fil-a-gay-20120718,0,3020372.story
I’m guessing that the ‘focus on the Bible’ training is a violation of pretty much every civil rights bill ever passed (unless somehow they teach the concepts without mentioning the source.) I think as the company ventures out of the deep South, they will face legal challenges to this training.
skeeter — I don’t consider anyone who opposes gay marriage or interracial marriage to be hateful; they just have a different belief system than I do. However, there are those who do actually hate gays or minorities or other people who are different than they are and who actively seek to suppress them. It’s often hard to know which motivates an individual when all you know is that they oppose marriage equality.
July 26, 2012 at 10:19 pm #765022
DBPMember>> It’s often hard to know [what] motivates an individual when all you know is that they oppose marriage equality.
—Right on, metro-knight!
The moral is: Don’t make up your mind based on a sound bite, or based on what somebody ELSE says about a person.
Take your time.
Do some independent research.
Think for yourself.
July 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm #765023
DaveBParticipantWhat kicked off the media firestorm was Dan Cathy’s reaction to the Henson company (aka the Muppets) severing their relationship with Chic-Fil-A (which resulted in Muppet toys in kid’s meals) over their support of the groups mentioned above.
But like any messy divorce, there is a bit of he-said/she-said. Chick-Fil-A says they severed the relationship the day before the Henson announcement over safety issues with the toys.
While I don’t agree with Dan Cathy, I do think the mayor of Boston is looking pretty foolish right now.
July 27, 2012 at 12:50 am #765024
JVMemberCome on, do you really think they are teaching a bible study in Chick-fil-a employee training? That’s ridiculous.
And if they are denying people jobs due to race/gender or whatever, that is illegal. I’m sure there are ambulance chasers looking into that one as we speak.
July 27, 2012 at 12:58 am #765025
JVMemberThe he-said, she-said about the toys in their kid’s meals is interesting. Let’s look at that for a second;
If you didn’t know anything about the situation, which seems believable, and which seems Orwellian?
1.) A CEO says he supports the traditional family, and that sparks a national outrage.
2.) A kids meal toy made in China is unsafe for children.
What? A cheap China-made toy is unsafe? Get outta here! It must be because of his hate-filled comments:
“We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit,”
WHAT KIND OF MONSTER WOULD SAY SUCH A THING???
July 27, 2012 at 1:49 am #765026
Genesee HillParticipantI don’t pay much attention to what a mayor in Massachusetts thinks.
Or, what a former governor of Massachusetts thinks.
July 27, 2012 at 3:03 am #765027
DBPMemberThey’re both fools if you ask me. On the other hand, if this be madness, there is method in it.
Mayor Menino is obviously pandering. But why not? When was the last time a liberal LOST votes by being pro-gay? And if the city gets sued, why it’s no skin off his beak.
And what’s Dan Cathy got on the line here? A single franchise? What about Chick-fil-A’s customers: Will they all be flocking to Colonel Sanders now? Don’t think so.
I am puzzled by one thing, though. If Cathy wanted a bully pulpit, why didn’t he skip the chicken circuit and just go right into televangelism?
I hear the pluckin’s even better on TV . . .
July 27, 2012 at 4:55 am #765028
kootchmanMemberCause he went into the food business.. that was a hard one.
July 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm #765029
dobroParticipantApparently, there is a lawsuit ongoing (filed 3 months ago) against them for gender discrimination…
“Honeycutt was terminated by Howard after meetings with restaurant management (during which she was not present), and was replaced by a male employee. The lawsuit cites a pattern of discrimination against female employees, who, after being terminated, were also replaced by male employees in Northern Georgia’s Chick-Fil-A restaurants.”
Could have something to do with the current dust-up.
July 27, 2012 at 6:20 pm #765030
justadumbguyParticipantI used to love me some Chik-fil-a. Good sandwiches. These days though, I won’t eat there because I don’t want my money to go towards supporting the causes this company chooses to support.
For the Government though, to get involved both in Boston and Chicago, and attempt to prevent them from opening stores is ridiculously wrongheaded and sets a dangerous precedent. For those who support the governments action / threatened action here I urge you to consider what your reaction will be when the government won’t let a company that supports causes you believe in open a business because they find those causes repulsive or some other such loaded word.
July 27, 2012 at 8:17 pm #765031
JVMemberSounds fair justadumbguy, it’s totally your call.
Similarly, there are places in the junction that I stopped going to for that exact reason. They make a great product, but they have become too in your face with their cause for my liking.
No need to name names. I’m not at all interested in hurting their business (unlike most of the posters above). I want their business to thrive, I just quietly choose somewhere else.
July 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm #765032
kootchmanMemberMicrosoft products not sold in over 30 states and hundreds of countries because they define marriage as between man and wife? No GM cars? Government trying to restrict free speech by punitive economic measure? Ben and Jerry’s are not the culture values of half the country..should we deny them their stores? Crazy talk. This is the march of liberalism… get government to referee everything including free speech? justadumbguy has it right.
July 28, 2012 at 8:41 pm #765033
dobroParticipantOver the last two weeks the Chicks suffered a 26 point drop in their branding index ranking…
“On July 16th, the day the Baptist Press published its Dan Cathy interview, Chick-Fil-A’s Index score was 65, a very substantial 19 points above the Top National QSR Sector average score that day of 46.
Four days later, Chick-Fil-A had fallen to 47 score, three points below the Top National QSR Sector average score of 50. This past Wednesday, Chick-Fil-A had a 39 score compared to the Top National QSR Sector average score of 43.”
I guess there must be a lot of people that don’t like the anti-gay (“traditional family” being the dog whistle term) stuff they’re puttin’ down. What other explanation could there be? Did Obama put a microchip in the guy’s brain that made him say that stuff? Could this be part of the Fast and Furious program that hasn’t been investigated yet to destroy capitalism? I wonder if the woman who filed the lawsuit is an undercover agent for the Socialist Muslims that hate our freedoms?
July 29, 2012 at 10:07 am #765034
kootchmanMemberI ams ure they don’t give shit.. frankly. This has been known for decades throughout the country. Here’s all I care about…. how are their profit margins and their gross? Now what if half l the country now decided to boycott Amazon.com for being being a sodomite promoting trade group. He just donated 2.5 million to support gay marriage. There is no place in this country for Microsoft or Amazon cause they espouse gay marriage? Stupid stuff.
July 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm #765035
TanDLParticipantFirst of all, the mayor of Boston is an idiot to get involved in this and I’m surprised the very strong Catholic Church in Mass hasn’t thrown a fit at him.
Second, I completely disagree with the head of Chick-a-Whatever but it’s a free country and he gets to have his opinion, no matter how much I abhor it. I also get to vote with my support or lack thereof of his business.
Third and most amazing… I agree with Kootchman on this one. Government shouldn’t be involved. The people of Boston can oppose this business if they choose just like people all over have stood up against Wal-Mart coming into their towns.
August 3, 2012 at 1:50 pm #765036
kootchmanMemberwell, that went well…. CFA just smashed their one day sales records. Interesting, the varied comments, most being ” I am supporting free speech” Not to be delusional, I am sure there some hate mongers, they exist in every population.. including LGBT’s… but take a hint folks.. the world at large is getting mighty tired of being told how to think or what to believe… and certainly from the least ethical class of people that ever trod dirt… politicians. CFA sure benefitted from this little dust up.
August 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm #765037
DBPMember>>CFA should benefitted from this little dust up.
-Yeah. They will benefitted in some ways, but they will lost in others.
Think about it . . . if you are running a business that serves the public, does it make good business sense to speak out publicly on some divisive social issue?
Let’s say you’ve got a nice little place selling hot dogs in the Junction. One day you decide to exercise your 1st Amendment rights, so you put up a big glossy poster of the 10 Commandments in your storefront.
Shazam! You just lost 10% of your customers — all the ones who formerly didn’t know you were a Christian (and frankly didn’t care) but are kind of creeped out by what you just did.
Can you then replace the lost customers with others, people who will maybe drive over from Bellevue to get a dog from a guy who won’t bear false witness and doesn’t covet people’s wives?
–Doubtful.
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Same goes for liberal causes. W. Seattle is Granola Central, so you have to make some allowances for that, but still . . . if my hotdog vendor decides one day that he’s gonna start flying a big old “pride flag” outside, I’m gonna be seriously underwhelmed.
So . . . what? He’s got gay weenies?
So the real “takeaway” lesson from the Great Chicken Flap is not “Free Speech Rules.”
It’s that busnix and politix don’t mix.
August 3, 2012 at 5:41 pm #765038
miwsParticipant…. the world at large is getting mighty tired of being told how to think or what to believe…..
And that is exactly why churches/religion and government have no place in consenting adults’ bedrooms, or women’s uteri…
Mike
August 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm #765039
kootchmanMemberThe don’t miws.. all they can do is what CFA does… act on their beliefs and espouse their causes. There is no place in government for being in the bedroom … or the uteri.. as they now are. Churches can’t make laws.. dude.
August 4, 2012 at 5:29 am #765040
metrognomeParticipantnice try kootch, but no one out here believes you are so naive or so badly schooled in history that you believe that ‘[c]hurches can’t make laws … dude.’ While that is factually true about civil and criminal laws in the U.S., it takes about 2 seconds on an internet search engine to come up with millions of hits on attempts by pastors and churches to tell their congregants how to vote on issues and candidates (with the threat of burning in hell for eternity to add weight to their recommendations, IRS rules be damned) as well as concerted efforts by religious groups to take over school boards, city and county councils, etc. Oddly, they never seem to be interested in dominating the local sewer control districts. We even had a president whom God spoke to directly. Now, we have tea partiers and wealthy neo-Christion billionaires not even bothering to hide their efforts to take over U.S. gubmint at every level.
Here’s an example I didn’t even have to go looking for as it was in today’s P-I:
“Wichita became a focal point of the national fight over abortion rights early on with mass protests and the unsuccessful prosecution of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller [who was later murdered in cold blood by a militant Christian]. Today, the city no longer has an abortion clinic, and Republicans who control the governor’s office and state Legislature have enacted even tighter restrictions on those that exist elsewhere in the state.
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Abortion-fight-defines-Kansas-prosecutor-race-3761038.php
I have *never* seen an actual public policy argument against marriage equality; every anti-gay marriage justification I’ve ever seen is Biblically-based (and often factually incorrect.) What ‘the world’ is getting tired of is being told by Catholics and Christians that the rest of us have to adopt their beliefs even when the result is an infringement on civil liberties.
If you don’t want to be gay or don’t want to marry someone of the same gender, that’s perfectly fine with me. If marriage equality supporters got a law passed requiring every randomly selected third male to marry another male, I’d be on your side in a minute. That is the equivalent of what neo-Christians are doing to gay people.
Our Founding Foreparents had the chance to make this a Christian country by adopting a version of the Bible as one of the founding documents of our country, right up there with the Constitution (imagine the dogfight that would have resulted from trying to pick a single version of the Bible …) They chose instead to make the concept of religions being free from gubmint intrusion as one of the pillars this country is founded on.
Oh, and for those who argue that being gay is a choice and therefore not subject to civil rights laws … guess what? Your religious beliefs are a matter of choice; maybe what we should be doing is dismantling civil rights protections based on religious beliefs …
August 4, 2012 at 5:45 am #765041
kootchmanMemberAs you well know, candidates cannot be endorsed from the pulpit, it
s against the law. Black churches and Democrats are overlooked. Ask Rev Al and Rev Jesse…. You need to live and let live… remember until he “evolved” aka needed campaign cash… YoBama was all in on this being a states right issue to decide. You can try and dismantle em… but no one is that nuts… to even try. See Kanssans will decide what is good for them. I am fine with that. I am weighing in on Washington. Kansas is out of my jurisdiction. yours too. .Catholics aren’ telling you what to do…. lots of Catholics support gay “marriage”… lots don’t. The tactics you abhor are your own… right back at ya. You just wamt to comtrol the public square … certainly not share it. Elected representatives make law… and if their constituents say no… no it is. Tell me the 10,000 years of recorded history what civilizations have codified same sex marriage. I admire the courage and conviction ….. and the progress. But religious freedom is a constitutional right.. same sex marriage isn’t. Yet.
August 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm #765042
happy hourParticipantI’ve read an article that gay employees are hiding their identities of being gay. Customers are coming in and gay bashing. These employees have to put up with verbal abuse all day long. That is a shame and a disgrace History and ignorance repeats itself.
Jon Stuart on YouTube is quite comical if you need to lighten up.
August 4, 2012 at 1:57 pm #765043
miwsParticipantJesus, kootch. Did you not even notice metrognome’s point of how pastors and churches can heavily influence their congregations to vote a certain way, with the threat of burning in hell for eternity? That thought scares many people, and can influence the way they think, vote, and treat others.
Now, of course, we all know that not every church/pastor/religion promotes that, or has that as part of their belief system, and in fact it seems there are at least two West Seattle churches that welcome gay folks.
Can’t wait to see your response to happy hour’s comment.
Is it gonna be the tired old “If ya don’t like the job, nuthin’s keepin’ ya from gettin’ another one!“?
Then you’ll bitch about ’em mooching off the taxpayers.
Mike
August 4, 2012 at 3:20 pm #765044
kootchmanMember.. here’s my rsvp, it works both ways… the man said he supported the biblical definition of marriage. So? Most people do. Tis a liberal affliction.. sanctimony. “I” think it is true therefore I am morally justified to use any tactic… in service to a greater good and if I get govt to put their thumb on the scale all the better. At least the man is consistant… he isn’t “evolving” by the polls.. anyone who has lived in the south knows CFA is exactly what they say they are… nothing new here. Just an election cycle.
Scare tactics… oh friggin please… I’ve seen some beauties .. here’s a beauty…. speaking of fear mongering.
It’s a chicken sandwich and one man expressing his views.. and supporting his views. I’d say from all accounts the left is all a dither cause…. CFA made millions of dollars on Weds. as all sorts of folks supported them against pandering politicians… not one soul weeping on their knees buying a chicken sandwich for eternal redemption points. It was a political response… everyone is happy.. the left got their minority views aired .. CFA got what they always want…. sales. tens of millions in sales. .. And, managed to look like the damaged party too… it was a PR coup.
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