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July 25, 2012 at 11:49 pm #604121
skeeterParticipanthttp://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1061147182&srvc=home&position=emailed
I don’t get it. I’m not trying to stir up a firestorm. I understand this issue has become very controversial. I get that. But I am genuinely confused.
The Mayor of Boston is doing everything he can to block Chil-fil-A because the owners support traditional marriage. But the Catholic Church is far, far, more vocal in its opposition to gay marriage. The church even encourages its *members* to oppose gay marriage. Yet I see absolutely no mention of the Mayor attempting to block the Catholic Church from Boston. Am I missing something?
July 26, 2012 at 12:00 am #764996
oddrealityParticipantDunno..at least Chick-fil-a paid taxes.Catholic church?? Not so much.
July 26, 2012 at 1:53 am #764997
DBPMemberCome again?
So now saying that you don’t approve of someone’s lifestyle means you’re discriminating against them?
OK, Mr. Mayor, let’s say you get to stifle anyone who disagrees with your opinion. How does that square with your vaunted “Freedom Trail”?
(Freedom to do what, exactly? Agree with the mayor? Or else?)
But why worry about this thing? It won’t amount to a hill of baked beans anyway. It’s just good old-fashioned identity politics. Boston style.
July 26, 2012 at 2:23 am #764998
JVMemberI searched for the chick-fil-a guy’s quote and found this:
“We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit,”
Did he say something else, or is this the hate-speech they are talking about? There MUST be some other quote I’m missing.
Please cut and paste his anti-gay quote.
July 26, 2012 at 2:45 am #764999
GinaParticipantI have a friend in Georgia that says Chik-fil-a is one of the best things about living there. Wish we could get them here.
July 26, 2012 at 2:53 am #765000
dobroParticipantAccording to Equality Matters, “Chick-fil-A’s WinShape foundation has given millions of dollars to organizations that oppose marriage equality (Marriage and Family Legacy Fund, Family Research Council), bully gay students (Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Focus on the Family), and promote harmful ex-gay therapy (Exodus International).” So I guess its more than a quote people are up in arms about.
I haven’t given it much consideration, but I would mention that getting a business license is a privilege, not a right. If enough people don’t want them in their ‘hood then they might have a hard time.
July 26, 2012 at 3:05 am #765001
metrognomeParticipantWhile I personally would avoid Chik-Fil-A, I don’t agree with the mayor’s actions. He is setting up the city to be sued for discrimination based on religion. It’s also poor public policy; if he can do it, a conservative mayor would be able to block a restaurant that supports marriage equality.
As far as the Catholic Church, it has been around for ages, it has a lot of political clout and religious organazitions aren’t as restricted by building codes as businesses. Besides, with all the settlements related to sex scandals, the Catholic Church is selling property and shuttering facilities, not building new ones.
July 26, 2012 at 3:24 am #765002
jamminjMemberI’m sure the KKK has done their fair share of donations.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to accept them in my neighborhood.
Chik fil a has every right to spew what they do, and more power to them that they don’t hide behind their hate, but don’t expect them to be welcome with open arms in a community that doesn’t discriminate.
July 26, 2012 at 3:39 am #765003
DBPMemberLook, if the Mayor feels like it will help his career, he has every right to say: “I don’t like the Chick-fil-A company. Their president’s beliefs don’t jibe with my values or those of my city.”
What he doesn’t have a right to do is to deny Chick-fil-A access to some location based solely on the beliefs of the president or any other employee — because that truly WOULD be discriminating against someone, as opposed to merely badmouthing them.
If he pushes this, the City will get sued, and the City will lose. Guaranteed.
Remember: There’s a larger principle at stake here, and that principle goes beyond the rightness or wrongness of individual opinions about gay marriage.
July 26, 2012 at 4:20 am #765004
JVMemberUntil now, I literally thought there was some anti-gay slur or something out there, but apparently there isn’t.
This is just about giving to pro-marriage and pro-family organizations? So now pro-traditional marriage = anti-gay? Which is equivalent to “hate”? That is insanity.
If a Republican mayor tried to get Ben and Jerry’s ice cream pulled off the shelves for their beliefs, I’d call him on it. THAT is intolerence, and we shouldn’t allow it.
No matter what side of the fence you are on, can you see how Orwellian this is?
July 26, 2012 at 4:40 am #765005
metrognomeParticipantJV — it seems you are the only one to use the term ‘hate-speech’ as the phrase is not used in the linked article nor in any other comments in this thread. And most of the comments seem to disagree with the mayor. Pouring a little gasoline on the fire?
And yes, being in favor of ‘traditional marriage’ is pretty much an anti-gay stance as there are so many social benefits that come along with being married. If your church refuses to marry gay couples, that’s fine, but the government has no business making that a policy.
July 26, 2012 at 5:06 am #765006
JVMemberMetro, I concede that point, “hate” hasn’t been used on this blog, I read it on other websites (while looking for the terrible nonexistent quote in question)
I’m happy to see that most people think the mayor is wrong.
July 26, 2012 at 5:06 am #765007
kootchmanMemberI watched the interview with the founder of Chic-fil. A … he is a conservative, bible principled business owner. He defends traditional marriage. When asked specifically about his “anti-gay” sentiments.. he was very clear.. all his employees are to greet every customer, thank them for their patronage… AND… use the golden rule .. in every encounter, with every customer. Don’t see the arguement here. You can;t raise every belief that differs with yours as “hate”.. if you are that offended in the concept of traditional marriage… don’t eat there. You can eat at any of a number of places in Seattle where a rude, intolerant, server who shares every little aspect of your belief system will be there to take your money and sneer because the service was so crappy and the attitude so bad.. you didn’t tip. Enjoy!
You can buy from me.. even if you do suport MoveOn.org.. we will laugh at you when you leave… but we don’t discriminate.. we’ll take your money. The man supports causes that support traditional marriage.. no big deal. If he wants to do business in our state.. or in MA… we don’t believe in that.
July 26, 2012 at 5:09 am #765008
jamminjMemberwtf is ‘traditional marriage’ – does it mean having 6 ex-wives. does it mean finding a spouse on a national tv show. Does it mean a quicky vegas wedding. Jesus.. wtf are you so worried about anothers relationship that you want to argue that it affects yours? How demeaning to your marriage that two gay people wanting to get married defines your own marriage.
July 26, 2012 at 5:11 am #765009
jamminjMember“if you are that offended in the concept of traditional marriage… “
yes, I am offended in the concept of hate… so if i have a voice in getting them out of my neighborhood… I’ll do it.
July 26, 2012 at 5:15 am #765010
jamminjMemberso hey, the muslim brotherhood wants to set up shop in your neighborhood.. no worries, its just someone wanting to do business. accept them with open arms.
July 26, 2012 at 5:16 am #765011
kootchmanMemberLike I said.. I don’t care. I am not worried.. if I like Chik-fil-A I will eat there. In a way, I like the idea that the man has a doctrine that foregoes a days worth of revenue so the families that work for him can count on one day a week of “rest”. Beats Wal Mart… traditional marriage I think,. as defined by current federal law only says between a man and a woman. It’s not that long a statute.
July 26, 2012 at 5:19 am #765012
kootchmanMemberI ACTUALLY listened to him… not one utterance of hate speech… not an single ate adjective. Quite the contrary.. well guess you won’t be eating there then.
July 26, 2012 at 5:26 am #765013
jamminjMember” not one utterance of hate speech”
when one demands that the rights of others be violated it becomes full-fledged hate.
blacks can’t marry whites… thats not an opinion..that’s hate.
gays cant get married, that not an opinion, that’s hate.
July 26, 2012 at 5:26 am #765014
kootchmanMemberAs metro posted.. beware the two edged sword. Did I not see a multi hued gay unity flag flying near and around a residential neighborhood on California? Glad the business is here.. didn’t see a wailing and renting of cloth when they opened. (did I miss it?) No traditional marriage minded folks calling them the moral equivalent of the muslim brotherhood or worse… they met the zoning codes and purchased the licenses. They are here.
July 26, 2012 at 5:38 am #765015
datamuseParticipantI’m not sure how supporting traditional marriage, whatever that means, translates to providing good service, or how a more progressive view necessarily aligns with surliness, but, uh, okay, I guess.
Oh, to JV’s question: no, there’s no direct quote, at least not from the interview that more or less started all of this. I also thought that Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs on marriage and family were common knowledge so I’m not sure why people are shocked.
July 26, 2012 at 5:53 am #765016
JVMemberJamminj calm down little fella.
You have used comparisons to the KKK, and the Muslim Brotherhood. Really?
Listen to the guy’s interview and ask yourself if it is worthy of those comparisons. Who is being intolerant here?
Just because somebody doesn’t conform to your demands doesn’t mean a mayor has a right to run them out of town.
July 26, 2012 at 6:32 am #765017
kootchmanMemberWe are in the middle of that debate JJ… it is not a right. In fact it is federal law that traditional marriage is between a man and a woman. It is commonly referred to as the Defense of Marriage Act. So factually you are not correct. See the wonder of not having the federal government control every aspect of your life.. sorta letting community standards and agreements rule the day? I will support upholding Gregoires’ state recognition…. but I must say… you can provoke venal instincts… like ahhh f— em, I will support the petition to void it out of spite…. but that would be hateful and petty. You sure can win em over with your persuasive skills …. smooth talker.
July 26, 2012 at 6:15 pm #765018
GAnativeParticipantI LOVE Chick-fil-a! I ate there 3 times while I was home last week and wish they had locations here.
Anyone that lives or has lived in an area with a Chick-fil-a shouldn’t have been shocked by Dan Cathy’s comments as they have always held themselves to be a very Christian company and have always been closed on Sundays so that their employees can have a day of family and worship.
I’ll have no problem eating there next chance I get; not because I agree with the Cathy’s beliefs but because I agree with their right to have and express them.
July 26, 2012 at 6:29 pm #765019
oddrealityParticipantI have no problem with how Cathy feels about things but my question is does he hire anyone other than christians , does he hire gays? If I knew the answers to those I would know a bit more to actually have a true opinion about how he runs his business.Not enough info right now.
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