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  • #742324

    kootchman
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    Exactly it is a crisis. The state needs to act like it. And the crisis is derived from? Not having enough revenue. That means (shock), the taxpayer is short. The so called “frontline” is the mass of citizens that have to provide the gravy, the taxes. The private sector has made sacrifices the state has not even come close to. Gregoire went on a hiring binge, exploding the state payroll in 2008. It’s come to earth time. Balance the budget. Do what the taxpayers do…angelcrest..funny how the military lexicon creeps in…. the frontline is where the economic health of the state is made…in the market. The rear echelon is the state and local governments that live off that efficiency and the surplus it generates. The state needs to revert to essential only services…just as the taxpayers are reverting to the “essentials” only. Raise taxes in these times? Cut disposable income?

    #742325

    DBP
    Member

     

    “At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge,” said the gentleman, taking up a pen, “it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and Destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”

    “Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

    “Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

    “And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”

    “They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”

    “The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.

    “Both very busy, sir.”

    “Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

    “Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”

    “Nothing!” Scrooge replied.

    “You wish to be anonymous?”

    “I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned — they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.”

    “Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

    “If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. Besides — excuse me — I don’t know that.”

    “But you might know it,” observed the gentleman.

    “It’s not my business,” Scrooge returned. “It’s enough for a man to understand his own business, and not to interfere with other people’s. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, gentlemen!”

    Seeing clearly that it would be useless to pursue their point, the gentlemen withdrew. Scrooge returned to his labours with an improved opinion of himself, and in a more facetious temper than was usual with him.

     

             

    #742326

    kootchman
    Member
    #742327

    angelescrest
    Participant

    Raise taxes in these times: absolutely. We need to take care of each other. I am a taxpayer, a single mom, a teacher: raise those friggin’ taxes!!! I’m sick of seeing my students hungry, homeless, cold! Nickelsville is humbling. I’ve given up some salary (and according to DBP’s data, more cuts are a comin’), and I would gladly give more so others can have the basics.

    #742328

    hammerhead
    Participant

    I am with you angelecrest

    #742329

    JoB
    Participant

    Most of us don’t mind giving more so that others can have basics…

    we ind giving more so that our major corporations can lower their taxes :(

    there IS enough money to go around

    but only if we start prioritizing citizens first

    #742330

    kootchman
    Member

    We get to vote on it. You may yet get your chance to give more. Do you think the voters trust the state to raise taxes “temporarily” ?

    Remember this”

    “Legislature promised voters in 1995 that any levies used to pay for Safeco would go away when the new field was paid for. ”

    “House Bill 1997 expired last Friday when it failed to gain enough signatures to move out of the Senate Ways and Means Committee.”

    They are trying another end run to keep it in place. No trust. If they raise em’ you can bet they will be permanent. A Gregoire Christmas… tax increases.

    Christmas shopping? Mac MacBook Pro, 17″ ? $2499 … give yourself a great Christmas present.. save $250 and buy it from CDW online… When you hit 10% for the big ticket items… you are in NY, IL, MA territory… too much.

    #742331

    DBP
    Member

    Chemical Dependency

    ¶ Eliminate Disability Lifeline and ADATSA treatment – $15.6 million

    Terminates the Disability Lifeline and ADATSA (Alcohol and Drug Abuse Treatment and Services Act) medical programs, affecting 15,000 low-income clients who receive chemical dependency services such as assessment, opiate substitution treatment, detoxification and crisis response.

    Disability Lifeline provides medical coverage for low-income adults who are unable to work due to a temporary disability. ADATSA provides shelter and/or medical benefits, treatment and occasional cash support.

     

    ¶ Reduce chemical dependency services – $5.9 million

    Reduces outpatient and detoxification chemical dependency services for 5,000 low-income clients without young children. Services include assessment, opiate substitution treatment, detoxification and crisis response.

     

    ¶ Eliminate long-term residential and recovery house services – $2.7 million

    Ends funding for long-term residential services in excess of 90 days. Ends funding for five recovery houses, which serve 299 clients per year after they have finished residential treatment program.

     

    ¶ Close Pioneer Center East – $2.1 million

    Halts funding for this Spokane chemical dependency treatment facility that annually serves 283 acute-care clients, some of whom are ordered by the court to receive intensive inpatient treatment.

     

    ¶ Convert funding to county block grant – $2.1 million

    Distributes chemical dependency state funds directly to counties to maximize efficiency.

     

     

     

    #742332

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch..

    i notice we don’t get to vote about whether business gets tax breaks..

    just whether we are willing to tax ourselves more

    #742333

    JanS
    Participant

    yeah, JoB, I noticed that myself…why is that?

    #742334

    HunterG
    Participant

    Why, oh why did I choose to incarnate on an unevolved, capitalistic planet where the rich are given everything for nothing and those who are not have to work tirelessly to just *make* it.

    Cutting here and there from programs that do good are not going to solve the greater problem – its pennies in a bucket – to be completely frank and R-rated (sorry TR) we are pretty much f*cked unless the “haves” see the responsibility they have. Greed is a powerful force and all the money in the world will not save them / or anyone from being judged in the end – you will be seen as what you are and treated accordingly.

    I foresee changes coming. I hope so at least.

    (On my soapbox) May the wrath of those who are downtrodden, those who are tired who may never live a life where they can retire – those who are sick and profited from because they are sick, those who will have to work until the day they die just to keep the lights on stand up, be seen and heard! The Bourgeoisie has nothing against us – as long as we stand together and say we are done…no more.

    Higher thought and action is possible and only when enough say no, will change happen. I have an issue supporting a government (by paying my taxes like a good little American) that doesn’t look out for the little guy and for one, have had enough. I am done paying for the rich getting richer and seeing hungry, malnourished and undereducated kids.

    So what’s the answer? Stop paying your taxes? Continued support of a group who seems to think that they are “in charge”?

    The only power anyone EVER has is the power you give to them, and what can be given can be taken away like a breeze passing through. We are only here for blink of time and are gone, why do we complain without action – you are better off chasing your tail or sticking your head in the sand and waiting for it to be over.

    #742335

    JoB
    Participant

    Hunter G…

    is there room on that soapbox for me?

    #742336

    kootchman
    Member

    What rhetorical nonsense. The “rich” generally are there because they have worked their asses off. Since most “rich” Americans are small business owners… they are not 40 hour per week folks, 80 hours is not uncommon. They assume risk, not a sense of entitlement.

    But you do bring up a good point. There will never be government reform UNTIL they get the only message they understand.. choke off the money supply. Don’t pay your taxes? Hell half don’t pay them now….but I do support your impulse. Don’t pay a dime. I have an issue too with a government that ONLY supports a voting lobby and enriches itself with perks and benefits the taxed will never see.

    #742337

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch…

    small business owners are not rich…

    nor do they receive the tax breaks that huge corporate businesses enjoy..

    they actually pay taxes

    unlike the huge corporations who consider paying lobbying firms more than they pay in taxes a good investment.

    please stop talking as though one equaled the other.

    #742338

    JoB
    Participant

    btw kootch…

    that half don’t pay taxes now slam you slid under the radar…

    half is a vastly inflated figure for the number of Americans who do not currently pay federal income taxes.. though i will have to admit that current unemployment does temporarily inflate that number

    but it is NOT an accurate reflection of the total tax burden on those who don’t make enough to pay federal taxes…

    their actual tax burden is somewhat equal to those in the top tax brackets…

    it’s the middle class who feel the weight of the highest actual tax burden.

    you know.. those of us with jobs

    #742339

    365Stairs
    Participant

    DBP – they had to leave a little something for the new WSU coach….$2.25 million a year.*

    Highest paid state employee by far…

    If that ain’t political football…not sure what is…

    Pun intended.

    *Yes, I know not all this comes from the state coffers…but the point of priorities had to be made.

    #742340

    kootchman
    Member

    Wrong you are JoB…. the highest proportion of millionaires in this country are owners of companies with less than 50 people.

    Most self-made millionaires today live in North America. 84% of them have one thing in common. That one thing is that they are entrepreneurs. (The other 16% of self-made millionaires typically come through investing, including real estate.) These entrepreneurs can be divided into several sub categories. For this article I will focus on three.

    read the article kiddo…. here’s where they come from:

    Innovator – Innovators take an existing idea, service, product or business model and innovate it into something more effective

    Goods and service provider – Goods and service providers generally do not invent or innovate at all. they simply out perform their competitors.

    Inventor – Inventors recognize a need for a solution to a specific need in the marketplace. They then devise a way to provide that solution.

    Hate to burst your bubble…. but ..

    from Forbes:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/07/27/why-do-some-people-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

    http://douglasvermeeren.wordpress.com/

    http://www.moneyunder30.com/the-10-habits-of-self-made-millionaires

    Yea I know local taxes are a tax burden… but damn… YOU all voted for the very same programs that are eating you alive. If you have six kids, have low skill sets, reasonably you are going to have less disposable income. You cannot tax into existence Nirvana.

    #742341

    DBP
    Member

    Developmental Disabilities and Long-Term Care

    ¶ Reduce community residential provider rates – $11.6 million

    Cuts rates by approximately 6.5 percent for developmental disability community residential providers, who serve 3,800 clients each month. Support ranges from a few hours per month to around-the-clock, one-on-one assistance each day.

     

    ¶ Eliminate state-only employment and day services – $9.2 million

    Terminates supported employment services, such as job coaching, for 488 clients with developmental disabilities who have not been placed in a Medicaid waiver program. This reduction will affect the ability of these individuals to obtain job training and placement services.

     

    ¶ Reduce home care agency reimbursement rates – $8.8 million *

    Cuts reimbursement rates for home care agency providers from $19.72 to $18.72 per hour. Home care agencies assist more than 12,000 clients per month with activities such as bathing, dressing, eating, meal preparation and housework in the client’s home.

     

    ¶ Suspend Individual and Family Service program – $8.4 million *

    Suspends services to nearly 1,000 families for respite care, therapies and other activities which help them keep loved ones with developmental disabilities in their homes.

     

    ¶ Reduce eligibility for services – $8.3 million *

    Requires clients with developmental disabilities and long-term care clients receiving personal care services to meet the same level-of-care standard as nursing facility clients. This eligibility change will result in 1,300 of the least acute long-term care and developmental disability clients losing personal care services. In addition, eligibility for developmental disability institution and Medicaid waiver services is restricted, which will cause approximately 330 clients to lose services.

     

    ¶ Close one residential habilitation center

    Closes the Rainier School residential habilitation center through the use of federal grants and one-time funding to transition approximately 350 clients to community-based settings or other residential habilitation centers.

     

    ¶ Eliminate Adult Day Health program – $4.1 million *

    Eliminates services to nearly 1,000 individuals with developmental disabilities or in long-term care who now receive assistance through adult day health centers with medication management, cognitive and physical therapies, and group interactions.

     

    ¶ Reduce instructional and support hours by 2 percent – $2.3 million

    Cuts community residential services to 3,800 individuals in supported living placements. Services are built around the person’s needs and may include assistance with maintaining the home, paying bills,preparing meals and personal tasks.

     

    ¶ Eliminate rate add-on for assisted living – $1.9 million

    Stops the rate add-on given to assisted living providers to take more Medicaid clients. Assisted living facilities serve more than 4,500 individuals per month.

     

    ¶ Reduce Senior Citizens Services Act funding by 20 percent – $1.6 million *

    Cuts funding to the Area Agencies on Aging, which provide case management services and other services, such as Meals on Wheels, to elderly individuals to help them remain in their homes.

     

       

    Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me, you who are accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels! Here’s why: I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t welcome me. I was naked, and you didn’t clothe me. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

    Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’

    Then he will say to them, ‘I tell you with certainty, since you didn’t do it for one of the least important of these, you didn’t do it for me.’

     

       

     

    * Indicates cut the Governor proposes to prevent with new revenue (e.g., a sales tax increase).

    #742342

    HunterG
    Participant

    You may think it is nonsense, and yes, I am a romantic but I know many that agree with me.

    #742343

    DBP
    Member

    Economic Services

    ¶ Reduce state funding for subsidized child care by 12 percent – $50.0 million

    Limits the number of low-income children whose families can receive subsidized child care by 4,000. Currently 33,000 low-income families receive subsidized child care while parents work.

     

    ¶ Reduce TANF time limit to 48 months – $17.5 million

    Limits maximum time a family can receive a TANF grant from 60 to 48 months, which eliminates eligibility for nearly 2,000 families.

     

    ¶ Eliminate State Food Assistance program – $13.9 million

    Halts food assistance to an estimated 11,400 individuals each month who are not eligible for federal food assistance or who have not provided documentation of citizenship.

     

    ¶ Eliminate Disability Lifeline medical program costs – $8.7 million

    Eliminates the need to cover costs for incapacity examinations associated with the Disability Lifeline medical program due to termination of the program.

     

    ¶ Reduce TANF grant amounts by 2 percent – $7.2 million

    Shrinks the average monthly grant for a family of three to $468. This grant was cut by 15 percent during the past year.

     

    ¶ Eliminate State Family Assistance program – $6.0 million

    Stops cash assistance to 1,200 families who do not meet federal TANF eligibility criteria. The average monthly payment is $240.

     

    ¶ Reduce refugee and limited English proficiency services by 15 percent – $1.7 million

    Reduces services that assist about 735 legal immigrants in achieving English proficiency.

     

    ¶ Reduce naturalization services by 47 percent – $1.1 million

    Decreases naturalization services to legal immigrants attempting to become U.S. citizens. The program serves about 4,400 individuals annually.

     

    ¶ Restrict replacement of electronic benefits transfer cards – $752,000

    Limits the replacement of lost EBTs in Community Service Offices, except in case of emergency, effective July 1, 2012. Cards are used for cash and food for low-income clients.

     

         

    #742344

    elikapeka
    Participant

    This is just unbelievably sad. I guess years of Tim Eyman running the government through paid initiatives is finally playing out. It’s so, so sad.

    #742345

    kootchman
    Member

    Time Eyeman or WEA.. take your pick. At least with Tim Eyeman we get to read the intent..and vote on it…. most of the government is run underwater, in stealth mode, filling the Christmas stocking of every special interest group who delivers a vote to our current regime. One is more more democratic than the other. We will have to vote on this increase..and that is a hell of lot fairer than executive fiat. Why do you object so much to the democratic process? I wonder who spend more toi influence taxes? Unions or Eyeman?

    #742346

    kootchman
    Member

    BTY.. this was a fraud cutting measure… serial offenders who “lose” their cards… it’s hardly a cut. Caught by KING 5 news.

    ¶ Restrict replacement of electronic benefits transfer cards – $752,000

    #742347

    JoB
    Participant

    kootchman..

    you make me tired

    you don’t make a good argument

    you just make me tired

    #742348

    JanS
    Participant

    Tim Eyman is an ass, and sheeple will vote for less money out of their pocket every time, whether it’s a good idea or not. Sheeple are simply selfish, and don’t educate themselves on the issues a lot of the time. They hear soundbites, and think they have the answers…sigh…

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