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November 6, 2014 at 7:57 pm #816062
JanSParticipantI just have to do this. A toast to the Republicans for taking the Senate, and let’s all drink to the new faces there…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/05/1342284/-Meet-your-new-Craziest-Republicans?detail=email
November 6, 2014 at 8:31 pm #819047
miwsParticipantAs I was reading through this, I couldn’t help but think that, as the Author alludes to in the “Honorable Mention”, that in reading from an unattributed source of something that one of these folks supposedly did/said, it would seem obvious that the source was Borowitz, or some such…
Mike
November 6, 2014 at 10:02 pm #819048
HMC RichParticipantSo JanS, where is the piece on nut job lefties? You pointed out the Yin. Where is the Yang?
November 6, 2014 at 11:19 pm #819049
JanSParticipantlol…lookin’ for those….I’m sure we have a few…but they aren’t gun totin’, anti-women folk, for sure. Those being anti-women (you can’t be political unless the hubby agrees) really make me pay attention. I doubt there’s a leftie that feels that way. Was there ever someone in Congress that felt that a man couldn’t be political unless the wifey agreed to it? Not in a million years…you do have to admit that, Rich.
So…we’re looking…if you find any real crazies on the left side, be sure to post :D
November 6, 2014 at 11:20 pm #819050
JanSParticipantMike…I love Borowitz :D
November 6, 2014 at 11:39 pm #819051
waynsterParticipantNovember 7, 2014 at 2:41 am #819052
miwsParticipantJan, yeah, he’s great!
Odd, though, that there are so many Harland Dorrinsons out there in various capacities! :-)
Mike
November 7, 2014 at 2:44 am #819053
JanSParticipantMr. Dorrinson is special , isn’t he?
November 7, 2014 at 2:45 am #819054
JanSParticipantoh, and Rich? If there are some leftie nut jobs, they weren’t elected on Tuesday, so the righties get front and center stage ;-)
November 7, 2014 at 6:43 am #819055
HMC RichParticipantGood Point, That’s true. Since the Democrats took one of the worst beatings ever I see your point. But you were correct that some bad candidates were elected, What does that say about their opponents?!!!!!!? There were some bad and mean Dem candidates that lost or dropped out before the election.
Plaguarist John Walsh of Montana, Baucas shouldn’t have quit. He killed any chance for another Democratic Senator to get elected. Bruce Braley in Iowa was a complete flop. One of His first ads was a bit sexist comparing Joni Ernst to a CHICK. Then Harkin who was retiring also made a sexist comment about Jodi Ernst. I would think that was ample material for the War on Women. But since it was not a Republican saying it, I guess that doesn’t count.
Late Term abortionist champion Wendy Davis didn’t even carry more women than her opponent. What’s up with Texas Pols Filibustering? Her and Cruz!!!!. And Free Birth control advocate Sandra Fluke lost too. Maybe someone else needed to pay for her whole campaign.
The War On Women for the Democrats backfired. And I can’t help that Kay Hagan’s husband’s problems with keeping stimulus money didn’t help her cause either. I guess North Carolinians don’t like their politicians or relatives stealing money.
And yes Jan. You missed a couple of more ridiculous Republicans who got elected. But considering the original source, the Daily Kos writers must not have a right arm since they lean so far to the left.
Have a good night. I mean we know Jim McDermott never, ever broke the law and he always wins by 80%. I wish he and Reichert could square off but alas, they can’t. Maybe I should move to the Eastside. Nah
November 7, 2014 at 8:22 am #819056
JanSParticipantIt says nothing about their opponents. It says a lot about the voters, Rich.
Rich, did you know that Daily Kos diary is posts from people, like me, who sign up just to read, and comment? Yes, I could very well have written that, if I had wanted to. It’s member written , for the most part…just part of what they call “blogging”.
And..pay attention the next two years. Lets keep track of how much actual good legislating, that affects you and me in a good positive way, gets done. First order on their agenda? Going after Obamacare for the umpteenth time, when they do not have numbers to override a veto. For goodness sake, they had better be careful if they just keep doing the same ol, same ol’. The next election is NOT a mid-term !
Let’s not throw stuff back at McDermott or whoever. We need to pay attention very carefully to these new fellas and women (even if the new guys think they should be home in the kitchen), and, yes, the seasoned ones, too. Too much has not been accomplished in the last few years.
But..remember this. Women have long memories..and whether you believe it or not, those ultra conservatives want to set women back many years. Pay attention. I am tired of the good ol’ boys legislating me and what I do or don’t do with my body because of their religious beliefs. You should be, too. You disparaged Sandra Fluke, ala Rush Limbaugh. That’s very sad, Rich. It’s not funny, and I expected better of you.
I never said we don’t have our problem politicians…some of them are good ol’ boys themselves…but they aren’t over the top imbecilic looneytunes. There’s a difference.
November 7, 2014 at 8:52 pm #819057
JanSParticipantso…it’s OK with you Repubs out there that people actually voted for this guy? I would be chagrined ! How out there do you have to be to have people say “No, thanks”? Will this guy actually do the people of CO some good? Seriously?
(and , yes, I realize it’s from Daily Kos, a place some of you dislike)
November 7, 2014 at 10:15 pm #819058
SmittyParticipantNo. Not OK with me at all.
But, I can’t swear off my party because of a few idiots. I would hope that this guy will be kept in check by the other 64 representatives in the CO house. Sounds like his district is full of whack-jobs if he received 70% of the vote.
November 7, 2014 at 11:38 pm #819059
JanSParticipantYeah, his district would vote for just about anything if it had an (R) behind it. It pains me that the voters for these people are blind, and don’t educate themselves in general, let alone in what these people stand for. I simply don’t understand the blindness of those voters :-
November 16, 2014 at 10:36 am #819060
HMC RichParticipantI saw that link. You know what, I don’t have quite the same view as him but I will not deny him the right to say that. Just like I will not deny the “bloggers” of the Daily Kos their right to speak.
In an abstract way I have some similar feelings about policy, although not believing he is demonic. No, just a demagogue who was raised and nurtured to be a petulant occupant of the White House who does not respect the laws he took an oath to support. So I guess I am crazy, but I respect freedom of speech and freedom to and from religion.
Jan, the Democrats lost in a huge way. You and others do not get it. They are not blind. They see bad policy. They see a weak President. A Tepid recovery. They see a corrupt Congress. They want change. They want positives. they want jobs. they want Liberty. Not debt for their kids, Not domestic spying, Not intrusive IRS actions. Not weak foreign policy. Not political double speak. Not coverups and lies.
But as the Who sing. Won’t Get Fooled Again. NO NO
Oh Hell, I am tired of Republicans too. I just dislike Democrats more.
November 16, 2014 at 6:49 pm #819061
JoBParticipantHMCRich
i don’t read the Daily Kos
i figure i miss a few self gratifying tidbits by giving up his particular brand of yellow journalism
but.. there you go.. i am into sanity these day
and i am definitely not talking about the broadcaster whose name is the only resemblance to that venerable concept
i sincerely wish the other side of the aisle would show similar restraint
then perhaps we could get past the hot button words of talking points to the issues
where for the most part we actually agree.
it may come as a huge shock to conservatives..
but none of us are in favor of a weak President.. we would like to see active Congressional participation in more than a tepid economic recovery.. we want jobs.. we want liberty.. we are not in favor of piles of debt for ourselves or our children.. nobody is in favor of domestic spying or IRS intrusion.. we think weak foreign policy sucks.. are not into double speak and are definitely not in favor of coverups and lies.
did i miss anything?
If you believe that democrats want those things any more than republicans then you are destined to be fooled again and again…
no matter how many times you listen to the song.
November 16, 2014 at 7:29 pm #819062
JanSParticipantRich…I understand what you’re saying…but no one voted their interests when they voted this guy in. He’s a loon…and will be no help to the people of this country, pure and simple. If you’re OK with him and people like him holding high offices, I feel sorry for you. Period.
The Repubs have the upper hand…what are they doing that’s positive now? Get rid of the EPA, kill Obamacare, sue the President for something non-sensical, oh, let’s impeach him. It’s tragic really…they have no interest in actually governing, doing what they are paid to do. There is no jobs bill, there is no discussion about education, infrastructure, anything that will actually help this country. And, yes, vote down a bill to help Vets once again. We send them to war, and don’t take care of them when they return broken. It’s an embarrassment ! No…let’s just take healthcare away from hundreds of thousands of people without an alternate plan. So…what did you vote for this November? You don’t have too like Dems, or what Dems say, but you have seriously had the wool pulled over your eyes if you think this past election was a positive thing.
November 20, 2014 at 8:33 am #819063
HMC RichParticipantOh don’t be ridiculous.
Who Started the EPA? Nixon. For you or anybody to say that they want to get rid of the EPA is ridiculous. They want to have common sense regulations. Emissions have gone down under the last two Presidents and before that. Bush didn’t sign Kyoto even though the US is already cutting green house emissions because it would hurt US business which we need because we are a Capitalist society AND it would hurt the manufacturing side of our economy. Unlike Bend Over Obama who is going to hurt our businesses even more while telling China “You don’t have to cut your emissions until 2030” What a fool. That is one reason why Democrats were voted out of office.
So, how about helping us, Canada, our good neighbor, and the global market with building a pipeline? We are part of the world market. We could become energy independent from the Mideast and rogue nations like Venezuela. Builiding the Pipeline would promote “SHOVEL READY JOBS” – Union Jobs, but NO, the Environmental Wing has Bent Over Barry by the balls.
So what kind of Jobs Bill do you want? How is it going to be paid for? By our Grandchildren? Or theirs? Infrastructure, the land needs roads, bridges, etc, or did they allocate too many funds to alternative energy companies who went bankrupt?
Impeach Obama? Mostly Democrats talk about that to rile up the base. It was hilarious when the memo went out to use that as a talking point. About two months ago, a bunch of Democrats brought it up on the Sunday Shows. Republicans on those shows didnt. It was spin. Just like any time Susan Rice is on those shows. No to Impeachment also…Because who would replace him? Biden. A truly remarkable owner of foot in mouth disease.
Obama is going to keep his petulant ruling style going forward and alienate even more people so that Hillary won’t stand a chance. He is going to play the victim and hurt race relations even more.
Honestly, I believe that the Vets and other aspects of our country’s issues could be worked out but I do not in my heart believe Mr. Obama is capable of that. I truly believe he is a divider. Plus, under his regime nothing has improved and he even said it would as a candidate before he was elected. Four Pinnochios to him and the Congress.
Accusing the GOP of items they have not had control over will not do any good. But, if President Obama gives Amnesty to 5 million illegal aliens, he will then be a dictator. He will be assaulting the Constitution and the separation of powers. Put another way. What if George Bush made an Executive Order banning abortion? As much as I would like that, it would not have been right.
Let’s see if this is a rule of law President or an insolent child who is over his head throwing a power trip tantrum. I believe it will be the latter. If so, I pray for his eternal soul and our future.
This last election was a repudiation of him, his policies, and the people who vote with him. So I guess in a roundabout way we both said the same thing. Welcome to the Republican Party Jan
Oh God, here comes the lib calvary. I insulted your dogma. Well Karma spoke in the election and won.
November 20, 2014 at 8:49 am #819064
JanSParticipantRich…you believe what you want to believe.
LOLOL…the pipeline that will create 50 permanent jobs, ruin our midland(have you kept apace of the destruction spills have done already in the parts already finished?, and not one drop of the final product is meant for us? Don’t you get that?
Rich…I got news for ya…some of us ain’t gonna bend over for the GOP.They have created no jobs, they have taken funds away from Vets, they have saddled our youth with student loans that will never be paid off, they have taken food away from poor people, they are in the process once more of trying to take healthcare away from hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people with absolutely no plan of their own, they have set women’s rights back 30+ years. If you like that, if you stand for that, if you condone what they aren’t doing, please honestly tell us why, because I don’t think you really know what you care about or stand for. It certainly isn’t the country I want.
You don’t insult me…you insult yourself!
November 20, 2014 at 2:32 pm #819065
JoBParticipantHMCRich..
Nixon was a long long time ago and a different Republican party from this one…
You are right.. the current House full of crazies hasn’t passed a bill to dismantle the EPA..
they just passed one telling them to ignore science and scientists in favor of “progress”
which can be defined as anything that will profit their campaign investors…
you are proud of this?
November 20, 2014 at 8:14 pm #819066
JanSParticipantlest there is any doubt…I present you Ira Hansen of Nevada…
November 20, 2014 at 8:47 pm #819067
skeeterParticipantPost #14
“It pains me that the voters for these people are blind, and don’t educate themselves in general, let alone in what these people stand for. I simply don’t understand the blindness of those voters”
It’s funny you say that JanS. I feel the same way about Seattle voters! (At least some of the time.) Just last year we elected a socialist who believes that workers should seize corporate property if the workers don’t agree with the property owner.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022333916_sawantplansxml.html
Amazon workers – if you think you are not paid enough, seize the building and lock the owners out! Dock workers – if you think your employer doesn’t give you a generous medical plan, take a forklift and sell it on eBay!
She believes that any property owned and paid for by “big corporations” should be taken away and given to the workers.
Capitalism is not perfect. But I prefer it to socialism and I bet 98% of Seattle voters agree. So why did we elect a socialist? We’re no different from the voters in Colorado or Nevada. We’ll elect anyone.
November 20, 2014 at 9:45 pm #819068
wakefloodParticipantSkeets, two things really quick, and then I’ll get to another note with more meat but…
…first of all, you’re way more Socialist than you care to define yourself as. Sure, you’re good with the profit motive and limited regulation on capital but then, so are most socialists. The question is one of degree. You’re good with some level of “commons” and taxation and infrastructure investment and general welfare of the citizenry, etc. So, labels only get you so far before they become detrimental to the discussion.
And my second thing is an ask. You’ve just given one specific example of Seattle being nonsensical or low-information voters when electing Sawant. OK, while I get a minute to counter that idea, let me ask you for any other vote that you think was either clearly low information or indefensible?
Back shortly…
November 20, 2014 at 10:08 pm #819069
wakefloodParticipantOK, re: Sawant.
Couple things. First, Seattle has a long and storied history of “radical” left wing politics. The Wobblies, the Anarchists, Communists, etc. Many of whom are certainly dead and gone but even folks as young as me remember them being invoked by the younger generation in the 1960’s who were busily fighting the powers that be. Some of those folks are still around and keep the fires burning, even if primarily on a ceremonial level.
The City Council has been dominated for about a full generation – maybe a little more – by the Downtown Mafia. These are the liberal elite who are socially progressive (in word, if not act) and quite happily motivated by profit. They have held sway and crafted a city that – in spite of our obvious issues with infrastructure – functions well enough to be the fastest growing city in the country.
While that’s been happening, the national landscape has been dominated by supply side, union busting, old school, bareknuckle capitalists who have done nothing short of hollowing out the nation’s middle class. Anyone who knows what a real liberal looks like has been branded a radical leftist.
So, into this dynamic enters someone who is verbally committed to pushing back on the notion that greed is always good and will always serve the best interests of society.
Does anyone, and I mean this quite literally, does ANYONE who voted for her, expect her to execute anything as radical as what she espoused verbally? I don’t expect that SHE would say that it’s even possible.
What she represents is someone willing to publicly stake out an ACTUAL far left economic position. That has a balancing effect that helps offset the polemics of folks like the Tea Party who espouse similarly radical stuff on the other side. The potential difference being that the Koch Bros. MIGHT ACTUALLY ABOLISH things like the EPA, SEC, FCC, Social Security, etc., etc. if they could buy enough Congressional seats to do so. And they’re trying, btw.
Is there ANYTHING approaching that on the balance for the left?
She’s a symbol. She symbolizes to many the IDEA that enough people have had enough of the one-way street. Maybe she’ll have enough pull to give the Downtown Mafia pause before they steamroll through the next thing that shovels $ up to the folks who are already doing just fine. Probably not, but at least they have to think a few minutes longer.
And let’s be honest. It’s not like being one of nine allows her to drive an agenda. And it’s not like she’d ever get elected mayor.
Were voters reactionary? Probably. But with intent as opposed to “anybody but the incumbent”. Were they low information? I don’t suspect any more than any other.
November 20, 2014 at 10:26 pm #819070
skeeterParticipant“Let me ask you for any other vote that you think was either clearly low information or indefensible?”
That’s easy. The plastic bag ban.
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