Share the sidewalk

Home Forums West Seattle Rants & Raves Share the sidewalk

  • This topic is empty.
Viewing 25 posts - 26 through 50 (of 63 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #827284

    miws
    Participant

    Having similar balance issues to Jan, when I come up against the oncoming 2 or 3 abreasters that look like they aren’t going to budge, I just bolden my stance and let body language tell them I ain’t gonna budge, one of them is gonna have to step behind the other, or over onto the parking strip.

    I spent too many years, many of them Downtown, moving onto the parking strip, practically jumping a fire hydrant, or scrunching myself up so they could pass without doing any of that themselves.

    Mike

    #827285

    GAnative
    Participant

    I don’t have mobility issues and walk on Alki a lot and the number of people that walk abreast and don’t move over for 1 person is amazing. I walk on the far right of the path and if it looks like they aren’t going to make room I just stop and make them walk around me.

    #827286

    GAnative
    Participant

    And having a wheelchair isn’t any better. My mother was here visting earlier this summer and she does have mobility issues so I rented a wheelchair for her. As I was pushing her and keeping up with the flow of pedestrian traffic people would step around us and stop right in front of the wheelchair.

    #827287

    Franci
    Participant

    I’m kinda surprised at the number of folks on this thread who find the request for what I consider to be a common courtesy, somewhat offensive and unfriendly. I was raised to be aware of my surroundings, movement of others in a public space – especially those that may not be as agile.

    Please help me understand why having an awareness of others around you is so appalling? I’m sitting here wondering what would happen if two groups approaching each other walking abreast would do? Does each expect the other to step aside?

    #827288

    Smitty
    Participant

    I agree, it’s one of those forgotten courtesies (like holding doors for people, letting others off the elevator and men taking the portion of the sidewalk closest to the street).

    If it helps, it is worse in Europe – primarily because of tourists (of one particular decent of which I will not name). 4 to 5 abreast basically forcing everyone else to the street. It turned into a game of chicken for us with me leading the charge. Almost knocked a person off his feet when I walked right through their wall…..I have to admit – it’s kind of fun.

    #827289

    miws
    Participant

    I’m sitting here wondering what would happen if two groups approaching each other walking abreast would do?

    I imagine plenty of brain synapses firing n increasing rapidness, as the two groups stand facing off, none of them knowing what to do, or where to move.

    Soon, smoke coming all of the ears, and finally; heads exploding.

    And Franci, I’ve always been aware of my surroundings too. Not just in recent years when it’s been important for my own safety, but long before, to make sure I wasn’t hindering others.

    Mike

    #827290

    anonyme
    Participant

    On several occasions while approaching a clueless wonker, or a wall of them, I’ve been known to loudly announce “TWO-WAY SIDEWALK HERE” and continue my collision course trajectory.

    #827291

    miws
    Participant

    Heh, anonyme. :-)

    I think I’ve share here before, that many many years ago before WSB was born, I went on a 1/2 joking, 2/3 serious, rant somewhere on the net, (memory fails on exactly where), that it’s a “SideWALK!”, not a “SideSTAND!”, “SideBIKE!”, “SideRUN!” “SideSKATE!”. (There may have been one or two more).

    (And yes, I know we share with bikes. Just not Standers, or Abreastwalls). ;-)

    Mike

    #827292

    metrognome
    Participant

    miws — I hate to be contrary, but in my experience, what you described in post 31 will happen only in a PSA produced by a personal injury attorney. What will happen in real life will be … absolutely nothing. No glint of recognition of the impending crash, no visible hint of understanding of basic physics, i.e. what happens ‘should a body meet a body comin’ thru the rye*,’ no attempt to perform appropriate maneuvers to avoid the crash, no break in the (vapid) conversation or InstaFaceTweeting.

    Once the dust settles, there will be numerous lawsuits: the city and the cement manufacturer will be sued because the concrete was too hard; the smart phone / watch / eyeglasses maker will be sued for not providing built-in airbag or a collision avoidance warning app; Google and other e-map providers will be sued for not marking the route as dangerous; the provider of the spilled coffee will be sued on the ‘grounds’ that it didn’t provide spill-proof, recyclable cups, and on and on. Faux Noise will do a series on the dangerous consequences of living in a liberal city and blame Obamacare, marriage equality and the impact of the nearby gun-free cupcake store as the reason why the conservative pedestrians weren’t able to defend themselves. Donald Trump will get thousands of free hours of air time by promising to Make American Sidewalks Great Again, but will offer no details on how this will be achieved.

    And life will go on …

    *the early Scots had at least a rudimentary knowledge of physics as the complete lyrics can be translated as: ‘Should a body meet a body/Coming through the rye/Should a body kiss a body/Need a body cry?’

    **there is a great cartoon about 2 people walking a breast, which I can’t post here. use your imagination.

    #827293

    Jeannie
    Participant

    Oh, JoB, I was making a joke! I was referring to the electric chair, as in capital punishment, not an electric wheelchair. So, when you wrote “an electric chair of some kind is beginning to look better all of the time,” one could be facetious and think, “Hell, yeah, if those people hogging the sidewalk don’t move aside for others…punishable by electric chair.”

    So absolutely no disrespect intended. Just a joke taken the wrong way. I have the utmost respect for you. Keep on being a stubborn lady – we’re the best kind!

    #827294

    JoB
    Participant

    desertdweller

    once, the elderly and infirm were considered part of families..

    #827295

    JoB
    Participant

    jeannie..

    it never occurred to me to get them an electric chair.. ;-)

    though i have never felt so empowered as when pushing friends in wheelchairs..

    i shout out that they should watch out because i am not very good with this thing ;)

    it’s amazing how fast people move out of your way…

    #827296

    desertdweller
    Participant

    @JoB: SERIOUSLY? This whole discussion is so terribly hyperbolic. Thank you for adding even more hyperbole to the post.

    #827297

    JKB
    Participant

    Yes, let’s just stick to parabolic. It’s better to remain asymptotic than to let your frustum show through.

    #827298

    JanS
    Participant

    so, last night I was at Admiral Safeway, had just checked out. I turned right to head to the door, but first wanted to stop and put my change away. I moved my cart over to the left as far as I could, so as to not block anyone. There was a young, very healthy looking man walking towards me. As he passed me he looked at me and said”Do you also drive on the wrong side of the road?”…to which I answered with a smile “Yes, always”. I suppose he wanted that thoroughfare to be just like a road, and I should have stayed to the right. Really surprised me. I wanted to say “You’re young and strong…walk around me, dammit”…but I didn’t.

    Now…get off my lawn !! ;-)

    #827299

    Jeannie
    Participant

    Ha! Good for you, JanS!

    #827300

    littlebrowndog
    Participant

    Desertdweller, I hope you mean that you will share this thread not only with families who have children but also families who have elderly members and families who have members with mobility problems spanning the entire age range, from toddlers through seniors. Family units are comprised of people of all ages and all degrees of mobility, not only those with children and such accoutrements as strollers. My husband who has had a stroke is as much a part of a family as my neighbors’ young children. And wouldn’t it be great if we could tell all families who inquire “Yes, WS is very family friendly.”

    #827301

    miws
    Participant

    Brilliant, as usual metrognome.

    Brilliant, as usual.

    Mike

    #827302

    miws
    Participant

    Jan, did you have your emergency flashers on?

    If not, I can kinda see the guy’s point. ;-)

    Mike

    #827303

    desertdweller
    Participant

    Woah now everyone. Before the post meandered to its current subject, the original poster was very specific and commented on young families with strollers, kids, etc.

    THAT’S what I was responding to — but yes, let’s all assume that I meant that families don’t include the elderly or infirm. It’s much easier in a thread like this to assume that I don’t include the elderly or infirm in my family than to give me the benefit of the doubt.

    #827304

    JoB
    Participant

    desertdweller

    hy·per·bo·le hīˈpərbəlē/Submit noun

    exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

    synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric;

    Really? it may suit your self interest to think that i am exaggerating but I don’t have that luxury…

    neither do the other people with mobility issues that are currently having difficulty navigating our local streets because younger more fit adults with or without children don’t choose to make room for them.

    You have plenty of luxury and plenty of choices. As in this instance, you could have stepped back and said gosh i didn’t realize that this was creating such a large problem.. i will be more careful in the future. Instead you reverted to insults.

    Most days i would let that pass.. but i just came back from yet another doc appt yesterday that gave me a heads up that i had best be spending a little more time educating myself on electric wheelchairs and i am not feeling charitable towards people who write off other people’s misery by assuming that they are making a big deal out of nothing and that it’s somehow their own fault.

    put on your big girl panties and grow a little compassion.

    One day you may be in need of it.’

    #827305

    desertdweller
    Participant

    JoB I don’t think you’re reading what I’m writing. Nowhere, in any of my comments, did I speak about people with mobility issues. My comments were in reference to the original post, which spoke about children and families.

    And, since you’re making so many assumptions about me, I should add that I’ve had mobility issues since I was 18 due to a chronic back problem. Maybe it’s time for you to stop assuming that everyone young and fit, myself included, is completely able bodied.

    Nowhere did I resort to insults…I merely said that I felt like I was being attacked because you and others seemed to think that I didn’t include the elderly and infirm as part of a family structure.

    I know it’s much easier to assume the worst of people, but maybe it’s time to take a step back and not make assumptions about your fellow West Seattle-ites.

    #827306

    JoB
    Participant

    desertdweller..

    and you don’t think referencing the comments I made about people trying to deal with mobility issues as hyperbole isn’t an insult?

    think again.

    at no point did i ever exaggerate the issues. In fact, i underreported the distress this causes people with mobility issues rather than exaggerated…

    if you bothered to read my posts or those of the other people who talked about the difficulty of navigating our city streets and actually took them at face value you would realize that this is a very real problem… whether you choose to recognize it or not.

    it’s a problem for people who are fit but the throngs of people blocking the sidewalks without any consideration for others is a much larger problem for those who try to have as normal lives as possible in spite of some pretty severe mobility issues.

    and let’s be clear.. far from making comments or assumptions about your physical state … what i had to say spoke entirely to your lack of compassion for others.

    “i am not feeling charitable towards people who write off other people’s misery by assuming that they are making a big deal out of nothing and that it’s somehow their own fault”

    labeling my posts hyperbole .. by definition.. is writing off the misery of others by assuming that they are making a big deal of of nothing..

    I can’t tell you how many times i have prayed that assumptions like those you made were my reality or were the reality of other people i know who struggle with similar issues….

    but no matter how much i wish it…

    it just plain isn’t so..

    #827307

    JoB
    Participant

    And i find i have one more thing to say

    West Seattle is family friendly

    but it should also be elder friendly

    the two are not incomaptible

    #827308

    JKB
    Participant

    dd, it could just be JoB’s leftover momentum from another thread. Once the torches gutter out and the pitchforks are put down, the rhetoric level will return to its normal dull roar.

Viewing 25 posts - 26 through 50 (of 63 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.