Not going to vote this year?

[JanS]

for someone who has all the answers for himself…easy ones at times..you really seem to, in my opinion, feel you have to make your argument here.

“Don’t want abortion to be a “widespread” issue? Easy, get involved with people and teach them the merit of a responsible relationship, and raise your kids responsibly.” I have no idea how old you really are..but..if life were only this simple. In an ideal world, that would work every time. It’s not an ideal world, and things sometimes don’t work out how we expect them to because WE feel that we did everything right.

and just picking out your abortion reasoning…what about those rape victims? those abused incest victims? It’s a complex world, and the next Supreme Court appointees may just take it all away from being legal…give me an answer for those women? It’s an imperfect system, but we try the best we know. YOU do NOT have all the answers, even if you think you do.

Really, I don’t need an answer from you on that. Another post from someone who has the answers all figured out lecturing ad infinitum that voting is foolish and laughable isn’t needed (if voting is foolish, does that make us fools? if it’s laughable, does that make us a laughing stock?). You’ve made your point, we get it. You responses smack of having to defend yourself. If you feel so strongly about what you’re doing there really is no need for you to go on about it trying to convince us…right?

I don’t think any of us on here “preach” about change. We hope for it…and sometimes ya just gotta work with what ya got…even if it’s just in the community.

Lastly..you have opted out…you don’t have the right to come back and say I told you so, just shake your head and feel superior to yourself and walk away and get on with life……just this person’s opinion.

Oh…and one last thing…you might consider coming to one of our meet-ups sometime..would be interesting to discuss some of this over coffee, tea, a drink (if you’re 21)…we ain’t all bad …

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[Caduceus]

“what about those rape victims? those abused incest victims?”

–“and raise your kids responsibly.”

I can’t recall the last time a responbile parent raped their own chilren, nor can I recall the last time a good person, not an outwardly good person but a GOOD, responsible person raped someone. So far they’ve all been a few steps away from “wackjob”. The ones I’ve heard of anyhow.

“YOU do NOT have all the answers, even if you think you do.”

–So far all the problems I’ve dealt with including my own and people seking help I’ve had answers. And if my answers weren’t informed enough I’ve people to direct the inquirer to.

I never claimed to know everything.

“Really, I don’t need an answer from you on that. Another post from someone who has the answers all figured out lecturing ad infinitum that voting is foolish and laughable isn’t needed (if voting is foolish, does that make us fools? if it’s laughable, does that make us a laughing stock?). You’ve made your point, we get it. You responses smack of having to defend yourself. If you feel so strongly about what you’re doing there really is no need for you to go on about it trying to convince us…right?”

–“Other people are variables in my life therefore it’s important I understand their views.”

“Lastly..you have opted out…you don’t have the right to come back and say I told you so, just shake your head and feel superior to yourself and walk away and get on with life……just this person’s opinion.”

— That’s like saying not voting doesn’t grant someone the right to complain about something relating to politics. Which, is deeply, deeply flawed. Besides the fact that people who aren’t old enough to vote are affected.. Some can easily just say;

No one has any right to complain at all. You don’t like it? There are hundreds of other countries you can live in.

And I do have the right to do so? We can have a real discussion on politics and bring up the constitution if you’d like.

It’s like you’re saying. “You didn’t watch the weather channel, you can’t complain that it’s cold, windy and wet outside” When it was going to be cold, wet and windy regardless of who was watching the weather channel.

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[JanS]

whatever you feel…

unfortunately..rape happens…and pregnancies from those rapes do happen. In an ideal world it would all be roses and sunshine, and no one would be a “wackjob”…but, until we live in that ideal world, we do what we think best to help those who need it, and for some of us, that means voting for people who are closer to our ideals than not, for someone who will appoint the next few Supreme Court judges that will take the best interests of all the people in this country under advisement.

I said it was my opinion…no one elses…

and that “no one has any right to complain at all..go live in another country”…oh, please…

let’s just agree to disagree, or we’ll just go around forever and ever…;-)

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[B-squared]

cad: “Voting is simply trusting someone else to hopefully change something else for you, and hope it trickles down the social ladder, home.”

personally, quite a bit trickles down and i really don’t want to get sh*t on. One of the areas where the president has the ability to affect what trickles down is in his/her appointments and nominations to various government positions.

Thinks FTC (five commissioners nominated by pres and confirmed by senate.

Think FCC (majority of commissioners appointed by pres – want another Michael Powell?)

Think EPA (administrator appointed by pres)

Think Department of Interior (Cabinet position – want another James Watt?)

Think HHS – Department of Health and Human Services, a cabinet position)

Think FEMA (how about another Michael Brown?)…….this list could go on and on.

Bottom line – the president is in a position to strongly influence or outright appoint the individuals heading these agencies, and more. The president can chose intelligent people who have ethics, integrity and the ability to do the job, or the president can chose industry insiders, cronies, etc that have little interest or ability in upholding the mission of these agency.

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[datamuse]

Caduceus, it just sounds to me like you’re not planning to vote at all because you don’t think your vote for president will make any difference. But there are a ton of other items on the ballot, many of them with local impact. Do you really think that your vote makes no difference for those?

Related question: if more people had voted in the last gubernatorial election, do you think there would have been a contention over the count?

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[villagegreen]

Cad – do you think the ruling party (and the president by association) has any affect on the overall economy? If you don’t, I disagree with you. I don’t think you can blame Bush for the entirety of the current economic meltdown, but the Repubicans’ philosophy of deregulation definitely has been a major factor.

But if you do, then doesn’t that trickle down into the jobs sector and determine to a point whether or not people are able to find adequate paying jobs to feed their families?

If I remember correctly, you’ve stated in the past that money isn’t important to you. That if you were ever in a situation where you needed money you know where to get it. Maybe you could enlighten the rest of us. Maybe you could spread the word to all the homeless in the city that don’t have any money.

I’m glad you can take care of yourself, but keeping your vast knowledge a secret seems somewhat selfish. It’s generous of you to take care of your friends whenever possible, but there is life outside your immediate circle.

Of course people who put all their faith in a single candidate and don’t think they actually have to do any work themselves to make the world a better place are fools. But taking that as a reason to swear off voting altogether seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not very sound logic.

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[JoB]

Cadeceus…

what makes you think it is a given that Washington will go for Obama?

Seattle metro will.. but we are not the majority of the state.. and not all of seattle metro votes democratic…

depending on the poll, this is considered a swing state.

And a little better is better than a little or a lot worse…

that will be worth thinking about if you convince enough people that voting is worthless and the republican side of the state carries our electoral votes…

As for responsible dads raping their little girls … it’s far more common than you think. And brothers and uncles and family friends and… Not to mention those crazies who decide to abduct you off street corners.. i am only one woman and both have happened to me. thankfully.. no kids from either, but that wasn’t because my rapists exercised good planning.

I got hit by date rape too and got to wait over 30 years before finding out that the kid i had wasn’t his… i can’t tell you how thankful i was to be able to tell him who his father was… and wasn’t.

if you have taken young women to their abortions, you know that even good kids get into trouble…

The supreme court justices that McCain would appoint will consider the overturning of Roe VS Wade their least incursion into civil rights… it won’t stop at abortion.

This matters too much to be blown off in a nihilist funk.

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[JanS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ&feature=related

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[JanS]

by the way, for those who don’t know, Craig Ferguson became an American citizen this past summer

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