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  • #598222

    DP
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    I’m talking about Veganism of course.

    Why? What did you think I was talking about?

    In another post Señor dufus insisted that he actually wasn’t intending to talk about veganism, only animal butchering. OK, says I. I’ll just mosey over here and talk about it then.

    Anyway, here’s my own experience. Anecdotal as hell, naturally . . .

    My best friend of 20 years has been a vegan since high school. He’s very committed to his lifestyle and he knows a lot about nutrition. He’s very fit and trim, natch, and he’s generally in good health.

    He’s also into self-denial in a big way. Which is a good thing, considering that in order to be a strict vegan you have to start off by denying yourself all of the following:

    — Meat (duh!)

    — Fish

    — And . . .

    Anything with animal protein as an ingredient or used as part of the process, which includes:

    Eggs or anything made with eggs.

    Cheese or anything made with cheese.

    Milk or anything made with milk.

    Butter or anything made with butter or cooked in butter or animal fat.

    Honey.

    Which takes the following items off your plate:

    —Most main dishes you can think of.

    —Most desserts you can think of.

    —Many drinks you think of.

    —Many snacks you can think of.

    What you’re left with are:

    —Vegetables and legumes

    —Fruit

    —Grains

    Dude eats a looooooot of homemade bread, granola, salad, and refried beans. Whenever we go out to any place that doesn’t cater largely to vegans, we’re pretty much stuck with the french fries (Were they cooked in pure vegetable oil? Are you sure?) and beer.

    Eating Mexican tonight? —OK. Beans, chips and salsa. Guac. And beer.

    Chinese? —The stir-fried tofu dish.

    Pizza? —Fuhggedaboudit. (Pizza needs cheese-uh, not cheez-uh. That’s why it’s called pizza and not pee-zah.)

    He does OK with Indian restaurants. Usually.

    I’ve got a running joke with the guy about he feeds his cats better than himself, which is true. They get designer chow from Mud Bay. Stuff with names like “Savory Seafood Mix” and “Hearty Lamb Feast.” And what does he get? —Leftover pasta (he makes a week’s worth at a time) with some kind of tomato sauce. Plus toast.

    Wow.

    Like I said, the guy is fit and trim. But he does have to take supplements. And he also has to watch his diet carefully to make sure that he doesn’t get too much of some things. One year he drank so much carrot juice he turned orange, and I am NOT making that up. I thought he just had a tan at first. But no. He was orange.

    So what am I saying? I’m just saying that veganism, for whatever else it might be, is not easy.

    Healthy? Maybe. If you work at it.

    Spiritually uplifting? Yeah.

    But easy? No way, José.

    (Umm . . . What did you say those refried beans were cooked in again?)

    #719638

    Zenguy
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    Yep, vegan is a commitment. We determined that a friend only had broccoli and beer in her fridge at one point. For me, I just could not be that militatant about it. But I could not be Vegan to begin with.

    #719639

    acemotel
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    … and if you eat too much cabbage, your body starts to smell really nasty.

    #719640

    redblack
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    yeah, but his cholesterol is probably in single digits.

    #719641

    JoB
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    redblack..

    maybe…

    but that may have more to do with exercise or genetics than with diet.

    pasta is full of carbs and carbs convert to sugar in the bloodstream which drives triglycerides:(

    the body isn’t a simple machine

    and unfortunately there are few simple answers…

    i give anyone willing to work that hard to avoid eating meat and animal products their due…

    but it isn’t a choice i could or would make.

    #719642

    DP
    Member

    For my friend, veganism is primarily a spiritual thing, although health is up there on his priority list too. (Fun is near the bottom.)

    Another one of our standing jokes is that somewhere on this planet there’s a herd of cattle that’s alive today because of him. There’s also a meadow somewhere that ought to have a plaque with his name on it. An acre of rainforest with an unpolluted stream running through it . . . etc.

    The guy tries to live an ethical life style.

    #719643

    redblack
    Participant

    jo: depends on the pasta. :)

    conventional pasta requires eggs, which excludes it from the vegan diet. vegan pastas can contain just about anything.

    #719644

    casaboba
    Member

    I began being vegan for the month of March. I will continue through Lent until Easter on 4/24. After that, who knows… The first 10 days have been refreshing. I dine out every day at least once. I have had no issues finding food which I enjoyed & nourished me. I have found in most non-vegan restaurants most professional chefs enjoy the creative cooking challenge of creating tasty, artful, vegan cuisine. When dining at home being vegan so far is EASY. Everything prepared is fresh, mostly easy to prepare with minimal effort.

    #719645

    DP
    Member

    So what’s a typical vegan meal been like for you, casaboba?

    What restaurants have you been to so far and what “special orders” did you place?

    –David

    #719646

    Sue
    Participant

    I know it’s hard to imagine, but eating vegan really doesn’t have to be about depriation at all. I am a “mostly vegan” vegetarian, and the reaction is often “OMG, what on earth do you eat?” There’s an amazing variety of things to eat. Really. :)

    casaboba, when Chaco Canyon opens 4/1 in WS, you must check it out if you want some good, local vegan food.

    #719647

    redblack
    Participant

    heck, i’m a carnivore, but i plan on being a semi-regular at chaco canyon. contrary to popular belief, meat doesn’t interfere with reason.

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