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July 29, 2008 at 7:24 pm #632268
AnonymousInactiveThere is a difference between left leaning, right leaning and propaganda. Again, for those having difficulty comprehending, this isn’t about bashing. Faux news spends all day bashing MSNBC and vice versa. I could care less other than finding it entertaining.
I have a huge problem with a government entity feeding a supposed news source, propaganda masquerading as news. I believe we’ve seen how that has worked out in other countries.
That republicans can laugh this off as a axe to grind, defies explanation.
July 29, 2008 at 7:41 pm #632269
AnonymousInactiveSo, where are the court documents supporting this claim? The documents shared by JoB supported an allegation that was found unjustified.
July 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm #632270
AnonymousInactiveAmen NR. Nothing gets my blood boiling more than hypocrisy or sore losers. Buck up Democrats! You lost. Bid deal. It was 8 years ago and almost 4 years ago. The country spoke. You don’t get to pick. You can be disappointed you lost but give it up after a couple of years. Dang! Ok, GWB is not the best president I’ll give you that.. JT, I think news is news, not propaganda; it’s just that when Fox reports it, it seems like that is deemed propaganda. When other outlets report a liberal/pro dem point of view it’s news. I guess no one can be totally objective but the Dems have had a corner on the market for along time as far as having the media in their pocket. Fox shows up and now it’s “no fair.”
July 29, 2008 at 7:43 pm #632271
AnonymousInactivewsblover – Amen.
July 29, 2008 at 8:39 pm #632272
JoBParticipantNewResident..
Re: http://www.2dca.org/opinion/February%2014,%202003/2D01-529.pdf
again, a careful reading would have done you credit.
Her case was not lost on appeal due to a lack of credibility in the charges… In other words, they did not challenge the veracity of her charge.
What they challenged was calling the FCC’s policy against knowingly broadcasting false information a rule… and thus her right to protection under the whistle blower’s statutes.
What that means to viewers is that there is no protection under the federal whistle blower law for any reporter who chooses to disclose that their network either coerced them into reporting false information or reported false information in direct conflict with evidence to the contrary…
There was never any question that FOX news knowingly broadcast information they knew to be false… about the human growth hormone used in the milk you drink…
But that wouldn’t be news, would it?
As a consumer of FOX network news, i would think you would be concerned that they have been given the green light to fire any employee who doesn’t go along with their choice to broadcast falsehoods.. in blatant disregard for FCC policy.
And as that was McClellan’s point… there is no falsehood.
As for McClellan simply pursuing a personal agenda… i am afraid that agenda is one i share… and you should too.
Lies don’t become truth simply because you choose to agree with the person or organization telling them.
Lies are lies.. and Americans deserve to know when the news they trust is falsified to meet an advertiser’s need…
Have you heard of Monsanto? They have big bucks invested in making certain all of us drink milk produced with human growth hormone…
This is your health FOX news was playing fast and loose with. I would think that makes this much larger than anyone’s personal agenda…
and if they lied about that.. and knowingly broadcasting information that they knew was false is a lie… what else does FOX news lie to you about?
And what is to keep any news organization from doing the same thing if their reporters have no protection under the whistle blower laws?
July 29, 2008 at 8:50 pm #632273
AnonymousInactive“There was never any question that FOX news knowingly broadcast information they knew to be false… about the human growth hormone used in the milk you drink…”
Where is the proof one could actually see that supports this statement?
The documents you linked to before proved that no laws were broken, therefore Akre failed to make her case and have the decision reversed. I did read it very carefully, JoB. To insinuate otherwise is disrespectful.
July 29, 2008 at 8:54 pm #632274
AnonymousInactive“And what is to keep any news organization from doing the same thing if their reporters have no protection under the whistle blower laws?”
What makes you so sure that none of the liberal news organizations have reported “lies”?
Where is your proof that they haven’t?
July 29, 2008 at 9:00 pm #632275
JoBParticipantNewResident…
there is only one news station that republicans admit to being a conservative news station.. and it’s pulling teeth to get them to admit any bias on FOX news.. the fair and balanced station…
The truth is that if the other stations were so liberal.. there would have been better coverage of the shenanigans that led up to the war in Iraq.. and far better coverage of the shenanigans that have followed…
including our white house deciding that it is federal policy than any US Governmental agency or any organization receiving government funds can choose to decide that any interference with a fetus.. including standard birth control medication is abortion… and make policy that prohibits assistance based on that decision.
That is in direct conflict with American law.. and you would think that would be big news… especially on those liberal networks you think we have..
wsblover…
“it’s like Dems wont be happy until we just have their party as the only one in the US”
LOL..you were making a joke weren’t you?
Take a look at both the presidency and the majority in congress for the past 40 years or so… and tell me when it was that dems were in charge? i may have missed a year or two there somewhere.. but it seems to me that for at least the last 20+ years.. and i think a lot longer… this has been a republican administration with the exception of the occasional democratic president… and i think they tried to impeach him.
LOL… I can see why you would prefer a president who lies about war to one who lied about sex… it’s so much more entertaining…
July 29, 2008 at 9:04 pm #632276
beachdrivegirlParticipantTHe reason why no “laws” were broken is that the Florida court ruled that the FCC rules wasnt an acutally law, but rather a policy. Therefore, there were no “laws” broken. Furthermore, FOX news did go on to say that the First Amendment gave reporters the right to deliver a false story and lie on the airways. FOX news never ever denied that they tried to pressure Akre in to reporting a false story but that it was part of the job.
July 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm #632277
AnonymousInactiveJoB – because you seem to be getting more and more disrespectful towards some of us as the conversation carries on, I will refrain from further dialogue with you.
“LOL… I can see why you would prefer a president who lies about war to one who lied about sex… it’s so much more entertaining…” – JoB
I believe the above assumption to make about someone (simply because they have opposing views than yours) is extremely tactless.
July 29, 2008 at 9:15 pm #632278
charlabobParticipantCome ON JoB — we all know the shrub lies about sex too. I mean the story is in Pravda — home of his soul mate, Putin. :-)
July 29, 2008 at 9:16 pm #632279
KenParticipantThe real issue here is that republicans deny fact by pretending it is all opinion.
The False Continuum fallacy is the most popular method of dismissing facts by pretending that fact is really opinion and therefore subject to interpretation and spin.
The distrust of the “main stream media” was a republican talking point for years before Fox appeared on the scene (losing 500 million dollars in the process) and the Washington times and UPI bought out by the moonies (I think their losses are 1.3 billion at last count)
The distrust of journalism, science and educated people as well as the fawning gullibility towards billionaires and financiers, has created the unreliable cable and network news “everything as sports analogy” media we have to deal with today.
The Fox decision merely confirmed that a news organization, like any corporate person, has no compelling reason to tell the truth even though the Original doctrine and rules of the FCC governing the use of the public airways implied that licenses were granted in exchange for services deemed in the public interest. The court case codified the first amendment rights of corporate persons to abrogate their public interest commitments when over ruled by their legal duty to gain shareholder value in any way not actually restrained by law. Thus the choice to lie for corporate gain supercedes any quaint notions of public good.
This endeth the fourth estate. And the age of reason.
July 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm #632280
JoBParticipantNewResident…
perhpas i didn’t make myself clear.. but even i find a president who lies about sex far more entertaining than one who lies about war…
and yes, President Clinton did lie about sex and President Bush did lie about war.
I have great respect for Dennis Kucinich for twice standing on the floor of the senate and entering articles of impeachment for President Bush…
It is not disrespectful to point out that the emperor has no clothes…
July 29, 2008 at 9:22 pm #632281
JoBParticipantJuly 29, 2008 at 10:10 pm #632282
AnonymousInactiveJoB I was kind of joking but considering all of the bashing that has gone on for so many years, it does seem like Dems just don’t think Republicans are necessary but is only having one party a good idea? Atleast this is the message I am hearing Dems give off.
Also, IMO Dems see themselves as the good guys and gals who are liberal and accepting, open minded, nice, etc and the Conservatives are the meanies. This hasn’t been my experience. Ironic isn’t it? The Dems I know and whos opinions I have read, not just here, are interpreted by me as stubbon, closed minded, and smarmy. Not all Dems!
I’ve never seen such frothing hatred for anyone like the Dems have towards Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al. It’s all we ever hear. I don’t understand it. You are entitled to your opinions but some of the conspiracy theories you come up with are just incredible. Where do you get your information?
Why do people love Clinton but hate Bush when they both have skeletons? That’s what I’ve always tried to understand.
July 29, 2008 at 10:17 pm #632283
charlabobParticipantYou should perhaps investigate some of the conspiracy theories before you dismiss them. For example, the right has stopped even pretending to deny that Reagan made a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to release the hostages *after* Reagan’s inauguration. Even I had a hard time believing that.
The reason we froth is because we take our democracy seriously and we’re not amused by a bunch of self-absorbed thieves who rape and pillage our country. If we had the contempt of which we’re accused, we could have the same devil-may-care attitude.
July 30, 2008 at 12:47 am #632284
AnonymousInactivewsblover – You make very good points and ask the same questions that I am constantly, silently asking myself.
As far as the “liberal” idea (being open-minded, objective, accepting), it hasn’t been reflected to me on this forum (with the exception of about 2 members).
I find most things stated here hypocritical, but am not allowed to point that out any longer (I guess).
It doesn’t only fall within the political threads, either. You will see a like-mindedness on other topics and any attempt to question that view is met with contempt and accusations.
Needless to say, I have learned a lot from being a member of this forum. My eyes have really been opened. I am grateful for this new outlook.
July 30, 2008 at 2:31 am #632285
KenParticipantHistorically all republicans are not Authoritarian followers and sociopaths. But conversely, all authoritarian followers and sociopaths are conservative.
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/08/cracks-in-wall-part-i-defining.html
The current republican party is fast purging its non authoritarians.
Dwight Eisenhower, Barry Goldwater and even Abe Lincoln would be Democrats today and attacked as liberals, commies and socialists by Fox pundits.
The GOP was hijacked by the fringe and those of you who cannot recognize it, should accept that *you* are that fringe.
July 30, 2008 at 4:18 am #632286
JoBParticipantwsblover…
Your point of view amuses me.
Republicans have been in power.. the economy is in trouble.. we are in a war that is bankrupting our nation financially and morally.
the republican appointees currently in place are busy purging the voter rolls of democrats in swing states…
our current white house is circumventing law by creating policies ..
and the constitution is largely overlooked.. our president thinks the laws congress passes can be ignored with no more than a signing statement saying the law does not apply.
last i looked most republicans thought the word liberal was a swear word…
and you think that the democrats are somehow narrow minded and want only a one party system;)
yeah… right.
July 30, 2008 at 5:14 am #632287
AnonymousInactiveJuly 30, 2008 at 6:17 am #632288
AnonymousInactiveNoted conservative columnist Thomas Sowell, writing for the very conservative Townhall.com:
“If all that was involved was Democrats versus Republicans, the Republicans would deserve the condemnation they are getting, after their years of wild spending and their multiple betrayals of the principles and the people who got them elected.”
July 30, 2008 at 7:11 am #632289
AnonymousInactive“Barack Obama’s motto “Change you can believe in” has acquired a new meaning– changing his positions is the only thing you can believe in.”
Also from highly respected conservative columnist Thomas Sowell.
July 30, 2008 at 7:14 am #632290
AnonymousInactive“What is amazing this year is how many people have bought the fundamentally childish notion that, if you don’t like the way things are going, the answer is to write a blank check for generic “change,” empowering someone chosen not on the basis of any track record but on the basis of his skill with words.” – Thomas Sowell
Love that one!
July 30, 2008 at 7:18 am #632291
AnonymousInactive“Although most of the mainstream media are still swooning over Barack Obama, a few critics are calling the things he advocates “naive.” But that assumes that he is trying to solve the country’s problems. If he is trying to solve his own problem of getting elected, then he is telling the voters just what they want to hear. That is not naive but shrewd and cynical.” – Thomas Sowell
Sorry, I seemed to have gone on a Sowell kick (JT – you started it!)
But, come on, beautiful!
July 30, 2008 at 7:29 am #632292
AnonymousInactive“But, while the media may treat the elections as being about Democrats and Republicans– the “horse race” approach– elections were not set up by the Constitution of the United States in order to enable party politicians to get jobs.
Nor were elections set up in order to enable voters to vent their emotions or indulge their fantasies.
Voting is a right but it is also a duty– a duty not just to show up on election day, but a duty to give serious thought to the alternatives on the table and what those alternatives mean for the future of the nation.
What is becoming ever more painfully apparent is that too many people this year– whether conservative, liberals or whatever– are all too willing to judge Barack Obama on the basis of his election-year rhetoric, rather than on the record of what he has advocated and done during the past two decades”
Btw, this is what Sowell continues to say in the quote that JT shared.
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