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April 7, 2008 at 6:06 am #618522
JanSParticipantShe has stated publicly that she is not interested…but, come to think of it, it wouldn’t be the first time a Repug has lied, huh….
April 7, 2008 at 10:20 pm #618523
JanSParticipantI don’t know if anyone reads these, but I’ll keep posting….here’s Myth #5 about John McCain (from the book entitled The Myth of John McCain – clever, huh).
5. John McCain doesn’t do things just because they’re politically expedient.
Unlike all the other politicians, John McCain doesn’t pander, doesn’t tell people what they want to hear, and makes decisions based not on what’s good politics, but on what’s right. Or so the news media would have you believe.
In early January 2008, Newsweek editor Jon Meacham wrote: “The apparent reconsideration of the candidacy of John McCain is good news for all of us, whatever our politics, for McCain has proved in the campaign what he proved in Vietnam: that patience is a virtue, and, when in doubt, principle is worth a try.” This is the John McCain the press has presented to us: unwavering in principle, and propped up by endless political courage.
But you don’t have to look far to find examples of McCain pandering. Consider his decision in 2000 to denounce the Confederate flag flying over the South Carolina statehouse — when the South Carolina primary approached, he announced that the flag was, in fact, a symbol of heritage. After the primaries, when the need to curry favor with Southern voters had passed, McCain admitted that he had pandered on the flag issue. But to the media, McCain did nothing of the sort. Instead, “McCain displayed political courage — belatedly, but powerfully,” according to The New York Times. Time and again, the same pattern has repeated itself: McCain panders, the media look the other way or explain it away (Free Ride, Pages 117-118).
As he prepared to make his second run for the presidency, McCain made a series of public shifts on his positions, the most ballyhooed of which was his rapprochement with Jerry Falwell, whom he had once denounced as an “agent of intolerance.” The media noted the senator’s rightward drift, but while a few criticized him for his fairly obvious attempt to pander to the Republican base, most of the media stuck to the script. According to his liberal advocates, the maverick was only suppressing his maverick instincts and doing what he needed to do to win the nomination. Once past the nomination process, the thinking went, the real, more moderate McCain would return. Jacob Weisberg, writing in Slate, said that McCain’s shift was “a stratagem — the only one, in fact, that gives him a shot at surviving a Republican presidential primary.” Jonathan Chait called McCain’s shift a “fake right” (Free Ride, Pages 178-79). In recent months, McCain has backtracked on his positions on immigration and taxes, with an eye toward pleasing the conservative base. It goes without saying that any other politician who tried a similar gambit would be criticized for such blatant pandering. But for John McCain, the rules are different.
The next media myth, that “Just about all you need to know about John McCain’s character is that he showed courage as a prisoner of war in Vietnam,” will be released on Thursday, April 10th.
April 7, 2008 at 10:55 pm #618524
charlabobParticipantI read these — can’t wait to see the next one.
BTW, somehow they’ve convinced Obama to apologize because Ed Schultz called McCain a warmonger.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/05/863058.aspx
Let’s see — what part of this definition doesn’t fit?
Warmonger — a person who advocates, endorses, or tries to precipitate war.
April 8, 2008 at 5:53 am #618525
JanSParticipantApril 8, 2008 at 7:10 am #618526
AnonymousInactiveWhatever he’s smoking, I want some. Everything he describes as *what will happen* if we leave, is actually what has happened by us going there. And how on earth can he say Iraqis are returning to a normal life.
Someone should send him the latest report on conditions (Mar 2008) from the international red cross.
April 8, 2008 at 8:44 am #618527
JanSParticipantit’s the brownies, JT, it’s the brownies ;-)
April 8, 2008 at 8:45 am #618528
JanSParticipantand the latest from Iraq..maybe what’s “normal” for them is far from what’s “normal” for us?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/world/middleeast/08iraq.html?th&emc=th
April 8, 2008 at 9:08 am #618529
JanSParticipantok…guess I’m “piling on” just a little here – lol…
nytimes.com/2008/04/08/us/politics/08hagee.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1207645621-4eU/sqeVBlzDJAW1l9lRhQ
is no one out there gonna defend Mr. McCain?
April 8, 2008 at 2:41 pm #618530
charlabobParticipantCan’t wait to get the new book (coming out next week) “The Real John McCain” — readings available now.
April 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm #618531
charlabobParticipanttest, sorry — checking to see if i’m landing in spam again. :-(
April 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm #618532
charlabobParticipantRemind me — polls mean nothing; polls mean nothing ….
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/10/poll_mccain-rice_ticket_wins_in_new_york/3061/
April 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm #618533
JanSParticipantnow that’s scary….
and while she publicly says that she’s not interested, she’s maybe campaigning for it? Now tell me, how damned honest is that? Time to start finding the dirt on her, too. She adores “W”, for one thing. I’ve always felt that she lusts after him…but…that’s j/k…really…j/k – lol
don’t listen to polls out of NY…they voted for Elliot Spitzer…remember that – >o)
April 10, 2008 at 4:20 pm #618534
charlabobParticipantMcCain’s brain — Phil Gramm — How’s that economy working for you? Want more of the same? Vote for McCain:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lou-dubose/mccain-econ-advisor-phil_b_95992.html
April 10, 2008 at 4:40 pm #618535
charlabobParticipantMcCain — will cut deficits like Reagan:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/mccain-ill-cut-deficits-l_n_96011.html
April 10, 2008 at 5:01 pm #618536
beachdrivegirlParticipantI saw that too Charlabob. Sure did give me a good laugh for today…
April 10, 2008 at 5:32 pm #618537
JoBParticipanthow else could condi get on the ticket?
she sure wouldn’t last through the primary…
My friend says McCain should be very frightened…
There are only two ways for an unelectable politician to use gain the power of the presidency…
elect a likable dunce (ok, so we might not all for that twice)
or survive him.
April 10, 2008 at 10:29 pm #618538
charlabobParticipantMolly Ivins on John McCain (no, not from the grave — just a tiny bit of prescience) This was her last column:
http://www.creators.com/opinion/molly-ivins/stand-up-against-the-surge.html
April 11, 2008 at 12:46 am #618539
JoBParticipanti miss molly…
i know there must be new voices like hers.. but i haven’t found one that resonates so clearly with me yet…
April 11, 2008 at 3:36 am #618540
charlabobParticipantIt’s entirely possible the McCain campaign will tie itself into tiny knots of confusion. In February, the McCain is too liberal crowd was accusing him of consorting with George Soros:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177
Now they’re accusing George Soros and other “leftists” of trying to destroy his campaign.
Which, of course, they are. (Haven’t found a link yet but I have intimate knowledge of the strategy of the Repubs :-) I’ll post more links when I have more.
April 11, 2008 at 5:53 am #618541
AnonymousInactiveOn this McCain thread, I would encourage everyone to refer to the link in the “know our candidates” thread regarding McCain.
He is a true American hero in every shape and form. You can try and hold everything he has been through against him, but my question is, while McCain was repeatedly being bombed, a POW and being held in solitary confinement, where was Obama? Oh, that’s right, he was sitting in church listening to a sermon from Jeremiah Wright about how much he hates America. Then he probably sang a couple verses of “God Damn America”.
April 11, 2008 at 6:02 am #618542
AnonymousInactiveI think he was maybe 8 or 9 years old during this time. Kind of not fair to hold it against him that he wasn’t old enough to enlist or even get drafted.
April 11, 2008 at 6:05 am #618543
AnonymousInactiveI’m looking forward to reading this:
The Real McCain: Why Conservatives Don’t Trust Him and Why Independents Shouldn’t
April 11, 2008 at 6:07 am #618544
AnonymousInactiveABC News: Troops Not Supporting War Hero McCain
http://www.futuremajority.com/node/1089
original source:
April 11, 2008 at 6:25 am #618545
AnonymousInactiveJT – Did you read the link to McCain from the other thread? It’s kinda hard to discredit that kind of person. Besides, there have been other wars since Vietnam. Where was Obama then? Oh, that’s right, again, Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American church.
April 11, 2008 at 6:26 am #618546
charlabobParticipantUm, NR, McCain was in prison from 1968-1973. Obama was 7 in 1968 — that’s when he was learning to be an islamic terrorist in Indonesia. It’s hard to keep those talking points straight. :-).
My issue with McCain isn’t what he was or wasn’t doing in 1972. It’s what he’s doing and thinking now.
One of my minor issues with Repubs is what they did to yet another True American(sic) Hero. It’s difficult for me not to long for revenge now, because I’m really not a very good person(tm) in that regard. Fortunately, the left doesn’t have to make up criticism of McCain’s war record — we can just use what the Bush campaign generated in 2000.
All three candidates have preacher problems. Your comments about Wright’s hating America(sic) and singing God Damn America are good rehearsal for what we’ll face in the campaign for the general election. I can only hope that the Obama campaign has the courage and patience to explain exactly why both statements in no way reflect the attitude of Jeremiah Wright.
BTW, does McCain still hate all gooks? See what I mean?
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