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May 6, 2008 at 10:01 pm #617992
JoBParticipantEarly exit polls..
Do younger people vote later? Or is this a reflection of the demographics of these states?
May 6, 2008 at 10:14 pm #617993
beachdrivegirlParticipantMay 6, 2008 at 11:05 pm #617994
beachdrivegirlParticipantThere was nothing illegal about Obama and the not dissolving of his pack this was just anohter example of Hillary’s camp once again attacking him because he was a threat.
The 70% refers to how you win races based on the 2025 delegates needed to win races.
The source was on a CBS News site I believe. I will try to find the link later.
And yes Hillary can keep up her silly campaing until the convention if she compelty wants to ruin her life. The DNC has said that they will wrap this all up in June. Hillary can not get the delegates needed before then so the race is over.
May 6, 2008 at 11:27 pm #617995
beachdrivegirlParticipantAnd while on the topic of legal and illegal isnt Clinton is a fraud lawsuit against Peter Paul right now?
May 7, 2008 at 3:20 am #617996
JoBParticipantI had no idea wikipedia was such a great place to get primary elelction stats…
they pull stats from CNN…
as of about 8:15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Democratic_primary%2C_2008
Indiana Democratic presidential primary, 2008
74% of precincts reporting
Hillary Clinton 481,639 votes 52.06% 38 est del
Barack Obama 443,723 votes 47.95% 29 est del
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Democratic_primary%2C_2008
North Carolina Democratic presidential primary, 2008
58% of 100 counties reporting
Barack Obama 753,774 votes 55.14% 56 est del
Hillary Clinton 582,244 votes 42.60% 39 est del
i thought i would make it easy to stay current so i included the links..
May 7, 2008 at 3:26 am #617997
SAMemberStill not over in Indiana. Lake County has yet to report a single vote.
May 7, 2008 at 3:52 am #617998
SAMemberFirst results in from Lake County favor Obama by 3:1. If that ratio holds Obama will actually win Indiana by 20-30k votes.
May 7, 2008 at 4:35 am #617999
charlabobParticipantClinton has cancelled all public appearances tomorrow, including appearances she had planned on morning talk shows. Her campaign is going to regroup and decide what to do next. Apparently, one possibility is to ask the Obama campaign to assume and pay off her campaign’s debts.
May 7, 2008 at 4:37 am #618000
TrickParticipantMay 7, 2008 at 6:21 am #618001
beachdrivegirlParticipantI have never been so excited to come home and actually see the race end. Good Bye Hillary! Good Bye!
May 7, 2008 at 6:22 am #618002
beachdrivegirlParticipantITs a big race ahead and I look forward to it…FYI I worked my tail off to get Bush elected. I dont just sit around .
May 7, 2008 at 3:23 pm #618003
rs261MemberJoB, dont post videos of something “proving” your point if you dont expect them to be disproven.
What does Obama have to do to convince you that he is your candidate? Is just winning the nomination enough?
Who is really splitting hairs here?
Obama used the PAC fund to support other local candidates. Sure might be illegal if he was directing the campaign donations, but there is nothing wrong with having a PAC fund while running for president, otherwise HILLPAC would be in violation aswell.
Now how about this from late march 2007
Sen. Clinton To Pay Off Vilsack’s Campaign Debt
Details Have To Be Worked Out
DES MOINES, Iowa — Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack gave Sen. Hillary Clinton his endorsement for her presidential campaign.
The Clinton campaign has promised Vilsack to help pay off a $400,000 campaign debt he built up during his run for the White House.
A representative for Clinton’s campaign said they are not sure how their campaign will do that. They concede that at some point, Clinton will have to contact her supporters
May 7, 2008 at 5:47 pm #618004
JoBParticipantrs261
“JoB, dont post videos of something “proving” your point if you dont expect them to be disproven.”
First.. i would ask exactly what was disproven?
Did Obama hang his message on one bill? Yup he did. But it was still his message…
I actually did some digging.. and i could find reference several places to an article following that speech in which Obama tied a timeline for withdrawal of troops to his willingness to fund the Iraq war…
a commitment he ignored until congress gave Bush a timeline and Bush vetoed it… oh.. and he was committed to running for president.
but.. i don’t post links to references to another article… and to reach the original article (in the Chicago Tribune files, i think) to find out exactly what it said would cost big dollars that i am not willing to spend for this…
(i do know the article or comments were in response to a survey in that publication.)
or it would cost me big time.. if the archives of that paper are on file at the main library… which i am also not able to spend.
i might.. because i am a stubborn woman who really is willing do the research and admit when i am wrong. all you have to do is check the political threads here and you will find evidence of that.
but.. my body won’t let me spend the time and my pocketbook won’t let me spend the money..
so at this point all we have is unproven… not disproven… and there is a difference.
to disprove you would have had to have found evidence of Senator Obama saying AT THE TIME that he meant only to censure funding of that particular bill and not funding for the Iraq war.
I guarantee you won’t find that anywhere since he was running from Chicago.. where they actually passed an anti-Iraq war resolution… which is why he was pressed for an answer on that question in the first place…
that difference matters because the discussion of his “stance” on the war isn’t over…the Republican press has taken it up and they will think the dollars to search archives chump change.
They will bother because his lack of honesty about his waffling stance on this war speaks to character for the older voter… and there are a lot of older voters.. and they vote.
but moreover… they think his youth vote is predicated on his distancing himself from choosing stances based on their political ramifications.
I had no trouble finding articles on this subject.. his anti-war stance… in the republican press… i don’t post links to those sources to verify information… if i did.. you would be wading through a bunch of links.
I had no trouble finding articles highly critical of Senator Obama in the black press either… and those go way beyond his tendency to choose the politically expedient position…
They actually cite the DNL’s (i am not sure i got the last intitial right.. the insiders everyone makes noises about..) interest in Obama and his inclusion on a list in 2002 (i think) of rising political stars… and his connections to that group.
It would probably do you all a world of good to actually read some of those.. from both sources… so you have some idea what you will be facing if he is our nominee… because the republican press will have a field day quoting the sources from within the black press..
As to when i will support Obama.. i have answered that clearly. I will support him when he is our nominee.
My reason is clear.. nearly half of the democratic party doesn’t think he is the right person for the job… and they have demonstrated that by voting for Senator Clinton.
one reason for that is that he is not pulling votes from groups he will need to carry to pull off a democratic victory this fall.
I don’t think he is the man you think he is… but more important than that… I don’t think he can win… and not because he is black.
I don’t think he can win because he remains an intellectual… and we all saw just how long the American press is willing to wait for the conclusion of a soundbite with John Kerry’s campaign. by the time the press got through with him.. democrats didn’t even like him…
I will do anything in my power to create a democratic presidency this fall.. and that includes supporting Obama if he is our nominee…
but he has to be our nominee first.
May 7, 2008 at 6:52 pm #618005
JoBParticipantit ain’t over till it’s over..
from my mailbox:
“Today, in every way that I know how, I am expressing my personal determination to keep forging forward in this campaign.
After our come-from-behind victory in Indiana, there are just 28 days of voting left. But we’ve never campaigned with the stakes as high or the time as short as they will be over the next four weeks.”
In North Carolina, Hillary carried very high percentages of those who had not already decided who to vote for prior to the election…
and she carried that all important “red-neck” vote… in a democratic state that voted republican in the last Presidential election.
exit polls on those voters indicated they would vote McCain over Obama if that was their choice in the fall.
These are not Hillary’s core of support.. they are the “swing voters” who are not carried by the party’s platform.. and voters we desperately need this fall.
that’s not good news for Senator Obama’s chances in the fall…
I am still putting my money on playing this out.. to see what percolates…
Senator Obama has placed himself very squarely in the sights of the Republican press.
let’s see how he cooks when there is heat in the kitchen.
May 7, 2008 at 6:56 pm #618006
rs261MemberThe video you posted saying he would not support the 87 billion dollar funding. He didnt support it. That is proof. He may have supported other funding bills, but he never said he wouldnt in your original post. Perhaps he did say it later, and lied, but as far as I can recall he hasnt.
Read whatever counter points you want to read to post your opinions as you see them. Support your argument however you want. Hillary would be much worse off if she was the nominee then Obama, in my opinion, not only does she have her baggage, but Bills as well.
You say Obama isnt the person I think he is, but what exactly do you have to base that on? I’ve only posted to refute false statements, I havent said I think Obama is anything…so what exactly are you reading into? What do I think of him, please let me know…
My question about when you would support Obama was when you will TRULY support Obama…will you stop posting “look he’s bad, look he’s a liar” posts when he gets the nomination? I know you’ve said over and over thats all its going to take, but why pick on him now? To “show us” what the republicans are going to do? get us used to it?
You are obviously stubborn, you obviously will fight tooth and nail for your opinions, thats great and I have no problem with that, hopefully you will fight the same way for Obama after he wins the nomination as you have against him before it, and be able to convince some Hillary supporters hes the right person for the job.
So instead of posting everything wrong about him, perhaps you can post some things that are great about him with the same passion.
Perhaps I just chose the wrong day to do my fact checking on posts…and perhaps I chose the wrong post to fact check…I’m just sick of hearing about how bad Obama is, I want to hear how great he will be. Or how great McCain will be. Maybe I’m just reading the wrong threads in here (is reading all of them bad?).
May 7, 2008 at 7:06 pm #618007
AnonymousInactiveI don’t know what you’re missing. EVERY one posts how great Obama is except JoB. JoB simply challenges what everyone else says about him (as their eyes glaze over in awe – kinda like those FLDS women, in my opinion).
But, hey, as a Republican… I say GO B. Hussein Obama! PLEASE GET THE NOMINATION! There’s the Reps chance to win!
May 7, 2008 at 7:14 pm #618008
rs261MemberI’d say more like 1 in 20 posts is actually positive, the rest are debating that post.
I’m 50% republican. Thats not from a nifty web calculator though, just my thoughts. I should find one though and take the test…see how evil I really am. (Evil being on the republican side or the democrat side? hmmmm)
May 7, 2008 at 7:21 pm #618009
AnonymousInactiveI remember someone posted a quiz like that on here a while back. Maybe they will read this and re-post.
May 7, 2008 at 7:42 pm #618010
JanSParticipantNR…you made a point of putting Barack Obama’s middle name in there..off the top of your head, do you know John McCain ‘s or Hillary Clinton’s middle name…no fair looking it up…and would you be willing to call them by their entire name in your posts? (Rodham is her maiden name, not her middle name).People in these posts have skirted around the issue of believing or not believing the “rumors” that circulate on the internet about him being a Muslim, about him being anti-American, about his schooling as a child, about his past relationships. Remember…all three candidates have pasts that are not shiny, for damned sure…but it seems that people are more willing to accept the pasts of the other two candidates as “experience”…I guess I just don’t get the “veiled” statements about Mr. Obama not being who people think he is…
I think anyone who supports Barack Obama on here would be insulted by being compared to those unfortunate women in Texas.I know quite a few Obama supporters, and I can promise you their eyes are wide open, definitely not glazed over…
NR…I think it’s time for the Repubs on here to start a thread about their candidate, and why they support him and his views and his plans for our country….why his ideas are better than whoever his opponent’s plans will be. Deal?
May 7, 2008 at 7:42 pm #618011
villagegreenMemberJoB – it’s about as over as it can get without the fat lady singing. It’s admirable that both you and Hillary Clinton have held onto your dreams for this long, but maybe it’s time to deal with the reality of the situation. Barack Obama will win the nomination. Why avoid the pain and heartbreak any longer? Better to accept the fact now and prepare yourself for the fight in the Fall.
The letter you received this morning in your mailbox is simply a plea for average citizens to help pay off Hillary’s huge debt. There really isn’t any other reason for her to stay in the race other than to continue her fundraising. How is that good for the democratic party and the lower income people you say don’t even have money to pay the gas tax?
NewResident – are you flaunting your racism or just implying that Republicans aren’t smart enough to realize Obama’s middle name is irrelevant?
May 7, 2008 at 7:57 pm #618012
AnonymousInactiveUmmm… that’s his name. I didn’t name him. Sorry you all got offended!
villagegreen – throw your unjustified assumptions on me all you want, but because Obama’s middle name is Hussein, does not make me a racist. BTW, you exemplify the typical Obama supporter by doing that. So, way to go!
JanS – Sorry you felt insulted. It was a dramatic analogy.
Come fall, it will get a lot worse, I hope you all know that.
May 7, 2008 at 7:59 pm #618013
JanSParticipantOK…that’s his name…but it isn’t commonly what he goes by. What you don’t say is speaking a lot louder than what you do say…and…you didn’t answer my question, did you. Do you know the other two candidates given names, and do you also call them by that? No. of course you don’t…
May 7, 2008 at 8:02 pm #618014
JanSParticipantI don’t feel insulted…it takes a lot more than that to insult me…as House says..I’ve developed a fairly thick skin. A dramatic analogy? Oh, please…
yes, the fall will be interesting…for both parties..it’s no a “shoe in” for McCain…remember that…
now..why do you support him? tell me again?
May 7, 2008 at 8:06 pm #618015
KayleighMemberLOL! Thank you, villagegreen and Jan. That made my afternoon.
May 7, 2008 at 8:06 pm #618016
AnonymousInactiveJanS – I’m sorry if you have been personally offended by my one little post (I usually don’t even join these threads), but today I was feeling a little snarky.
Listen, you guys say a lot of things about McCain, about the Republican way and even Republicans and I never (hardly) say anything. I make one stupid little post and you guys are practically jumping down my throat.
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