Any ladies want to loose weight with me in 2010 "Just Do It"

[nuni]

ooh GenHillOne you got me there. My cat has chronic asthma so she is on a daily dose of prednisone which causes weight gain. Her portions are controlled but unfortunately since we have a dog she tends to sneak the dog food as well when we aren’t looking. She only started to gain weight with the prednisone.

As a side note, I struggle with my weight as well, but I did not take offense to the comment because I also think if you are set on making changes instead of talking about doing it, just do it. That being said I get that for some people the new year is kind of a significant time to start working on the goals.

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[velo_nut]

Oh nuni, our cat DEVOURS the dog food. She’ll chase them away if we don’t sneak in and drop her in another room.

2 Boxers Vs a 14 year old cat? Cat always wins.

So hilarious

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[csw2119]

People, please, let’s not be nasty to one another. Remember, when reading a post we can sometimes interpert things differently than how it was intended. Lets not criticize. I am the original post (OP?) please read the OP and let me know if you would like to meet for a walk at Alki or Lincoln and lets see if we can work a plan out together. I’d like to hear your ideas. Thank you!

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[JoB]

velo-nut..

your ignorance of chronic fatigue syndrome and the health issues facing women peri and post menapause is astounding…

your arrogance in assuming that what works for you and for your wife so far will work for everyone else matches your ignorance.

In spite of living with both fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome… i was less than 110 pounds (5″7″) until i was nearly 40. I was an athlete (skating, biking, swimming, hiking, climbing, rugby), a dancer and i practiced the nutrition you preach before you were born.

Then life changed.

i sincerely hope for your wife’s sake that life does not change for her .. for any reason.. not even the inevitability of menopause.

but if it does, nutrition and exercise alone are not likely to be the answer for her… any more than they were for me.

The assumption that overweight people simply make poor nutritional choices, over consume and have poor exercise habits is nothing more than an opinion based on a lack of information.

And you know what they say about opinions…

like …. everyone has one.

an informed opinion however

is so much more difficult to come by.

now.. shall i remind you what they say about assumptions?

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[velo_nut]

Sorry JoB… proper nutrition and exercise. Whether you have FMS/CFS or even EB it all comes down to nutritional choices and exercising your body. HFCS is brutal for those with FMS/CFS and I don’t understand how, if you ARE knowledgeable in the subject, you can argue that.

Or is it that you just like to argue?

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[JoB]

velo-nut..

how do you have a conversation with someone who knows absolutely nothing about the subject yet is sure that they have all the answers?

You seem to be ill educated about metabolic disorders in general… and certainly about chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia in particular.

Your blanket statement that high fructose corn syrup is brutal for those with FMS/CFS is one such example. Please, show me the research that supports that statement.

Like you, i believe that people with FMS/CFS are generally healthier for avoiding high fructose corn syrup… and i personally choose to avoid most processed products containing high fructose corn syrup…

but… in spite of my own belief… i don’t feel better when i completely eliminate high fructose corn syrup from my diet. In fact the reverse happens to be true for me.

I don’t feel better when i go vegetarian or avoid milk products or go macrobiotic or go raw or eat the celiac diet or …

I don’t have to wonder if I am contributing to my illness through poor diet choices.. i have tried nearly every diet recommended for significant periods of time with no positive results… in fact, they often make me significantly sicker.

I can recommend my experience with CFS as a real eye opener about the differences between what should be and what is.

As for whether i am knowledgeable in this subject, i can only tell you that i am still internationally regarded as one of the patient experts in these illnesses… you can still google me and find my connection to research projects and educational seminars.

Even though i have not been well enough to be active in the FMS/CFS advocacy community for a few years, i continue to read most of the research on both illnesses daily. Doing so provides some interesting and intriguing information.

For instance, are you aware that a recently discovered retrovirus implicated in prostate cancer is currently suspected to be “the” culprit in CFS? I say suspected because the kind of large scale trials needed to state that with any certainty have not been done, but the research is pretty conclusive and patients are recovering when treated.

Would you tell someone with a viral infection like HIV that all they needed to do was get some exercise and eat properly ? I ask because this new retrovirus is in the same family as HIV and short of death creates equal havoc in the lives of those it infects.

Beyond CFS, what advice would you give someone who had to choose between consuming enough calories to sustain life and being skinny? Would you tell them to eat less? There are patients who make this choice.

What about someone who is taking prednisone or other drugs with known associated weight gain for life threatening auto-immune disorders? Would you tell them to just eat better and get some exercise?

What about those with a genetic predisposition to gain weight. Is there any diet they could follow which would make it acceptable to you for them to carry more weight than say.. you and your wife?

What gives you the right to judge others .. to decide what they can and can’t have.. to dismiss their personal efforts at maintaining a healthy weight given their personal circumstance … as somehow unworthy… ?

What gives you the right to judge a person who indulges the pleasurable activities they choose to achieve the same high you get on the back of your bicycle ..

even if that activity centers on a hot fudge sundae or baked goods or … ? Whether they are physically capable of achieving that high on the back of a bike or not… it really is arrogant of you to make judgments on others based on your personal choices.

I hope you and your wife are lucky enough to maintain your health, but if you aren’t i hope you don’t have to rely on the support of other people like you… people who make decisions about what other people should and should not do about their own bodies based on their assumptions.

Trust me.. i can tell you this from experience as well.. having spent most of my life dealing with an illness that was equated with the tooth fairy for far too long…

that’s not helpful at all.

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[velo_nut]

Who said I was judging?

You’ve certainly taken this as a personal attack for sure. How about I tell you that I believe CFS to be a make-believe condition for people who don’t take care of themselves?

Now THAT’s a personal attack. That’s judging.

Get off your high horse. This has nothing… NOTHING to do with the original post or my response.

Eat right and exercise.

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[ws4ever]

Hey guys, why get in the way of people supporting each other? Really.

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[WSB]

I am stepping in here and closing this.

I was going to say something earlier today because it looked like it might be in danger of going off the rails but thought, no, maybe it won’t.

However, now it really has – and this is one topic, longtime WSBers know, where we won’t tolerate assumptions, such as, gee, you’d be smaller if you just ate less and got up and moved.

Sorry. Not necessarily the case, I can attest. Don’t eat much. Don’t drink at all. Walk when I can. Been the same size for 20 years. Most important for people to understand, fat’s not necessarily bad. I’m big and I’m the healthiest, most energetic person I have ever met.

If you WANT to try to change your size, two thumbs up. If you don’t, two thumbs up for you too. I can tell you that before I got over the societally imposed self-hate decades ago, I tried. Didn’t work. Ten pounds off, 20 pounds back on in half the time it took to wrestle away the 10. I’d be half this size if I’d just accepted being “chubby” 30 years ago. I am proud and thankful to be robustly healthy.

Hats off to everybody for making personal choices about how to deal with their own bodies, and respecting others.

But respect is the operative word here.

I haven’t had to close or delete or even seriously police a thread in a LONG time, credit to you all.

CSW, I apologize.

Thanks to those who’ve flagged me to where this went.

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[WSB]

PS = CSW, if you want to start over again, I’d suggest creating an e-mail account with hotmail/gmail to invite people to contact you offsite if they’re interested in the support invitation, and put it in that start-afresh post.

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