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May 30, 2008 at 8:37 pm #621297
In reply to: Hot for Hillary
AnonymousInactive*here’s the deal.. this is a political party.. it’s not a personality contest…*
Yes, and no. Many political observers say the first televised debates between Nixon and Kennedy, lost the contest for Nixon. He was very unappealing on camera. Kennedy *looked* the part. Handsome, tanned, athletic, youthful, charismatic. Nixon was pasty white and sweating profusely and looked terrible.
Not a single person would own up to judging on these qualities. Kind of like the date that notices her for her *mind*. Yet we do judge. We do size people up and make assessments based on the impression we got. Not how we should elect a leader, mind you, but it does factor in.
Clinton and Obama share many (most) views. For whatever reasons, and whether you like to admit it or not, Clinton has baggage that makes her unappealing to some. Those people will make a difference in this election. They don’t like her. They never have, never will, and you can talk policy all you want and it won’t make a damn bit of difference. I believe Clinton herself knows this and thought she could overcome it. She hasn’t.
We need the independent voters. We need a democrat with the convictions of both Clinton and Obama in office. We can not afford to lose this election. I think it’s perfectly acceptable for Obama’s personality to get him into the job. We’re basically electing the same principles in a package that can reach out to a wider audience. If that’s what it takes to *change* the place we’re in, so be it.
Call it unfair, call it sexist, call it what ever you want. For the greater good of the *party*, I honestly believe Obama has the better chance at winning. And I want a democrat to win.
May 30, 2008 at 8:37 pm #618735In reply to: McCain ?????
TrickParticipantUpdate:
McCain is quoted as saying “Mosul has some quiet days” as a bomber kills 20 people that day.
McCain now supports Bush’s tax cuts which he opposed earlier.
McCain says the surge is working,
Petraeus, said that “no one†in the U.S. and Iraqi governments “feels that there has been sufficient progress by any means”
He quotes the wrong troop levels in the Mideast.
McCain each week blunders names,groups, associations regarding the war in Iraq.
This is the candidate that says he has the most experience when it comes to war.
Is this really someone that we should rely on just because of his merits from being a veteran? or someone that seems to be a bit confused about present events he can’t seem to get straight?
It would be one thing if it’s a blunder, I can forgive that, but it seems to be a continuing stream week after week.
That I find disturbing.
May 30, 2008 at 8:24 pm #625259In reply to: WASL/School Standards
AnonymousInactiveBTW, who ever said anything about writing off entire populations of people?
We were talking about the student that don’t apply themselves and those who do.
May 30, 2008 at 8:17 pm #625258In reply to: WASL/School Standards
AnonymousInactiveI see we have turned our insulting to me now.
Call me ignorant, but who, exactly, is being helped by lowering the standards of tests?
Oh, the kids that don’t care about their education. I think that’s a fine lesson to be teaching.
Yeah, we know that most high school students don’t care about their education and would rather be anywhere else than inside the classroom, so what should we do?
Oh, here’s a great idea! Let’s make the ability to PASS the test EASIER so that more of these lazy, indifferent students will pass. That will make them feel so much better about not applying themselves and caring about their education! What sort of lesson, exactly, is that teaching our young people?
Don’t you think that maybe they could begin to think if they don’t work hard enough, they can still achieve whatever they want because they’ve never really had to work hard for anything?
Do you realize how much smarter youths are in other countries? Such as China, Sweden (just a couple examples)
No, I’m not a teacher but I was a student and a student that didn’t really care about my education. Back then, they didn’t lower the standards so that I would pass tests and have better self esteem. And, thank goodness they didn’t! Where would I be today if I had been taught that everything should be handed to me and I didn’t actually have to work for anything!?!
You are not doing anyone any favors by doing that. If you just cannot see that or grasp that, then there really would be no question who is ignorant.
Obviously some of the remarks made by this person were immature (I don’t mean that in an insulting way, just that he hasn’t fully experienced life in the way us older people have), but the responses he received from some members on this forum were, in my opinion, unacceptable.
May 30, 2008 at 8:10 pm #621296In reply to: Hot for Hillary
charlabobParticipantObama proved he had major coattails and was willing to use them in the special election to replace Dennie Hastert — it was an Illinois district expected to stay Republican. It did not. Bill Foster, the long-shot Democratic candidate, won handily.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/8/211123/2367/348/472575
I would like to see a list of the campaigns to which Clinton has contributed since she’s been running. As I recall, the conventional wisdom a year and a half ago was that she had too many negatives…people did not necessarily want her to come to their districts.
I don’t understand why screensful of undocumented screed about Obama aren’t considered smear.
BTW, C-span is providing live coverage of tomorrow’s hearings for the Rules and Bylaws Committee in which they may decide what to do about Michigan and Florida. If only they’d realized that the only rule was “Do whatever it takes to ensure Clinton’s victory,” their lives would have been much easier.
May 30, 2008 at 8:03 pm #587074lgMemberHi fellow WSers.
My husband and I are expecting 6/23 and need to get a will together to make sure our little dude is taken care of if something should happen to us. It should be an uncomplicated affair, but I think I’d like to go to a lawyer rather than just get one of those template things from an office store.
Can anyone recommend someone. I’d like to support a WS lawyer if possible, because, well, I’d feel good about it.
thanks in advance for the help!
May 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm #625257In reply to: WASL/School Standards
wspeepsMemberIt is nice that young people are interested in the inner-workings of our school system, but he/she really lacks information in regards to many of these subjects…equating students with learning disabilities to those with mental illnesses??? Scary for someone who wishes to enter the field of psychology…Can you counsel someone out of dyslexia??
The heart of the matter is, as many of us educators would agree, a single test really should not determine whether a student can graduate high school…regardless of how easy some may think it is. As an educator, I am all for expecting more from our students but a single test should dictate four years of hard work. By making this test more difficult it discourage students…we really do not need more high school dropouts.
A few years ago the educational pendulum was moving more towards AUTHENTIC assessment, but with mandates like No Child Left Behind many of this pedagogy has been left behind in order meet the standards of these regulations.
NewResident, it is nice that you are encouraging our youth, but as teachers, we really have a broader viewpoint of this subject. Yes, there are lazy individuals out there, but writing off entire populations of people because of poor choices or attitudes they make when they are young is, indeed, ignorant.
May 30, 2008 at 7:15 pm #622322In reply to: Stylist for Curly Hair?
lgMemberI know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to second Liza at vain. She is soooooo great. She has curly hair herself and is just great. I would drive hours for a hair cut from her. She also is a color genius, and has excellent training. She can cut a beautiful vidal sassoon bob (one of the hardest cuts to do). I can’t say enough good things about her. At vain the cut is a little pricey, but you get a free trim at 3-4 weeks that makes the cut last a lot longer. I wouldn’t let another person in Seattle cut my hair after having found her.
May 30, 2008 at 6:58 pm #625644In reply to: Free Dahlias in Arbor Heights
flowerpetalMemberMargL, we love Dahlia’s. I would love to have some. I’m not sure how to exchange info. I’m not wanting to put my email address in here, nor my phone number. Does someone know how we can do this?
May 30, 2008 at 6:56 pm #625633In reply to: Public running track?
SAMemberAs one who doesn’t like the monotony of a track may I suggest running along Alki. There are 3.5 miles of sidewalk accurately marked off in 1/4 mile increments with approx 12″ square black painted blocks.
May 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm #621295In reply to: Hot for Hillary
JoBParticipantBeachdrivegirl…
i voted for her… among other reasons… because of the unique qualities she has as a woman… one of them her focus on the well being of individuals.
I wish more men had those qualities. I really wish Obama had those qualities… i would not be nearly so opposed to his candidacy if he did.
but i don’t think that you can label wanting a president with those qualities sexist… simply because those qualities are far more likely to come in a female package.
and i honestly think that when you bandy about the word change.. you might ask yourself what kind of change a female president might bring to the office…
In fact.. you might ask yourself just what kind of change Obama intends to bring to the office…
i assume you voted for Obama for what you consider his unique qualities. I just haven’t seen anything other than rhetoric that tells me he would be a good president…
You talk a lot about leadership. Right now there are only three democrats I can think of who are actually exhibiting true leadership in issues that directly affect citizens… and none of them are running for President.
Jimmy Carter in diplomacy.. Al Gore in environmental issues.. and John Edwards in poverty…
That’s leadership.
Hillary has exhibited leadership in legislation that protects and supports women and children… but even she hasn’t done enough there to qualify yet for a mantle of leadership.
Just what is it that Obama has done that makes him a leader? What is his cause? what are his great accomplishments other than saying well what some want to hear?
Who will be the workhorses of his administration?
These are questions that there are no answers to.. and i find that troubling.
Kayleigh…
as an animal lover i find any tale of anyone stabbing puppies offensive… it’s not a joke…
nor is it a joke to equate Hillary with someone who would stab puppies…
how about i equate Obama with someone who would rape women?
funny? probably not. But the two jokes would be similar stereotypes…
As for Hillary not having the best interests of the democratic party in mind.. i find that statement particularly interesting.
If you define the interests of the party as an Obama presidency.. then you are probably right.
However.. long before there was Obama.. there has been a democratic party… and Hillary has worked tirelessly for it her entire life.
Now.. i don’t expect Obama to have worked so long.. or so tirelessly.. he is not as old. But.. if we examine just the period of time since he entered the national stage.. since he became a Senator… what has Obama done other than run for president for the good of the democratic party?
Who has he campaigned for? Because i think we can agree having the maximum number of democratic seats in congress is good for the party… and that alone should be a good indication of his commitment to the party.
I ask because i don’t know the answer to that… but i do know that Hillary has campaigned tirelessly for democratic candidates in the same time period… i know that she has demonstrated her commitment to the democratic party.
I know that if she is the nominee, she has both the political savvy and the political clout to make the party stand up for it’s stated goals.
Do you know that about Obama?
And just what is this supposed to mean?
“BDG, apparently whatever redemption or vindication Hillary’s supporters think they will get if Hillary wins the nomination is more important than the Democratic party.”
here’s the deal.. this is a political party.. it’s not a personality contest…
you win the mandate.. you get the nomination. you don’t, you have to find a way to convince the party that you are the right candidate for them…
As Walfredo is so fond of saying.. look at the numbers. Obama can’t win the mandate. So.. he is going to have to convince his party that he is the right candidate…
If he can’t, she will convince them she is.
The person who wins the nomination has to be able to pull the support of the entire democratic party … has to be able to win the election in the fall.. and then most important.. has to be able to actually govern once they get the job.
To do that.. they need political clout far more than popular appeal.
You can’t steal something that doesn’t belong to you.. and the nomination doesn’t belong to Obama yet.
Do you think Obama supporters understand the interests of the democtratic party more than Clinton supporters because they support Obama?
I don’t think you can make a case for that.
If you look at the demographics alone.. Clinton supporters have voted in more presidential elections than Obama supporters.. and most of them have voted a straight democratic ticket for most of their life… regardless of the claims to the contrary.
Clinton has huge support in those over 50… those who consistently show up to vote… and those old enough to know what a working government with services to it’s citizens actually looks like.. the government we had before Republicans assumed control…
The only way a Clinton nomination would lead to the bleak scenario you outline is if Obama supporters choose not to vote…
so.. should we really talk about vindication?
NewResident..
you can be forgiven for thinking government programs don’t work since you have had no experience with those that do… poorly managed programs run by government appointees with no expertise are ordained to fail.
thus.. we get the totally inept response to Katrina from a government agency that had been one of the finest in the world prior to Bush’s political appointees.
And that’s just one example.
McCain’s programs as he has outlined them would actually raise taxes without benefit to citizens…
However… as the Clinton White House (Al Gore in particular) was able to show.. you can reduce waste in government spending and control deficits…
Spending money on things like functioning government agencies and infrastructure doesn’t have to raise taxes.. but it does require a shift in priorities…
As for equipping our military.. don’t you think it would be good to fund equipment for the national guard which has become regular military for the purposes of this war before increasing the funding for missile defense systems that have yet to actually hit their targets?
There are a couple of really good books out right now that would be worth reading.. but the one that speaks most to this subject is “how your government has failed you” … written by a national security adviser during the Bush White House… and that book speaks mainly about the failure of our national security systems… something that ought to be important to you.
It’s anew book.. so i have only seen a review and heard a couple of interviews.. but i think you will find that book enlightening…
if you want a government agency.. even something as important as homeland security.. to fail.. all you really have to do is appoint political appointees with no security expertise to run it… and the department of homeland security has more political appointees than any other government agency…
it’s sort of like sending troops and a diplomatic core to a war zone who have no knowledge of the predominant language and customs… and expecting them to succeed. but.. that’s another story.
Walfredo…
If there is a negative way to look at anything that has to do with either Clinton you will find it.
I am sure you will be equally successful at finding negative ways to look at McCain if you are lucky enough to have Obama as your candidate.
But i have to ask.. how does it feel as a democrat to wage a non-stop smear campaign? Doesn’t it get a little old? And how do you reconcile that with the rhetoric about this new kind of campaigning Obama is trying to sell? Isn’t the anti-Hillary smear campaign actually worse than democratic politics as normal.. not better?
Just something to think about.
Well all…
Sorry to have such a long post.. but i am pretty sick today and am headed directly back to bed…
May 30, 2008 at 6:10 pm #618734In reply to: McCain ?????
AnonymousInactiveOf course, I would never hate you from your posts!
We have differing opinions on politics, but that’s all. Contrary to what some might think, politics is not our lives. I think we would agree on that.
May 30, 2008 at 6:09 pm #587073Topic: Free Dahlias in Arbor Heights
in forum Open DiscussionMargLMemberI have an over-abundance of dahlia bulbs that I’m digging up. I have no idea what they are since they’ve been choked by grass for the past couple years and haven’t bloomed. There’s more than I have space to replant so I’m giving them away. I guess that’s fair since I originally got them from a friend in the Puget Sound Dahlia Association :-)
They’re plump and sprouting and just need a new home. Anyone interested?
May 30, 2008 at 6:05 pm #625256In reply to: WASL/School Standards
AnonymousInactiveI don’t think Caduceus ever said that people with learning disabilities don’t deserve the same education as he does.
He is simply pointing out that, as a student who takes great interest in his education and WORKS at it, it should not be all for nothing.
Whether all these liberals want to admit it or not, lowering standards to allow for someone less interested in their education to pass, does not aide in the education of those who do want to be challenged.
This goes back to the backwards idea that if you make something *easier* because certain groups are not managing, you will attain success.
I was just surprised that a student who was brave enough to voice his concerns on this forum was responded to in such a way.
I would think that as teachers and educators, it would have been refreshing to see a young person who cares so much about their education. Instead, he has been talked down to and told that he doesn’t know what he is talking about, by TEACHERS!
Of course maturity will come into play as he ages, however, the fact that this young adult is so perceptive and seems to have a good understanding of the world around him is extremely refreshing to me. And I’m not even a teacher.
May 30, 2008 at 5:56 pm #625632In reply to: Public running track?
flowerpetalMemberYes, the one across from Chief Sealth High is open to the public. I see people there at many different hours. When Sealth closes for two years (beginning later this month) I’m not sure if it will be used at all by the school. You can use the parking lot next to the community center and walk down to the track from there.
May 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm #625631In reply to: Public running track?
elgregoMemberGreat to hear. Thanks!
May 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm #624136In reply to: Anyone know of a good taylor?
elgregoMemberThanks, Jerald. Never heard of the stuff, but I’ll go a’huntin!
May 30, 2008 at 5:02 pm #625625In reply to: Google West – Search WSB
RainyDay1235MemberOooohhh….wonderful! I’m sure the webmaster will place a link prominently on the top of this forum (hint! hint!)
May 30, 2008 at 4:56 pm #624135In reply to: Anyone know of a good taylor?
GenHillOneParticipantHey Sue, if the glue is permanent, how ’bout Velcro? You could even glue (instead of sewing) the Velcro halves to jersey and patch…next year, put new piece of Velcro on new patch and voila.
May 30, 2008 at 4:35 pm #625479In reply to: Cottage School at Gatewood
flowerpetalMemberCDSA also has a site at Highland Park Elementary.
May 30, 2008 at 4:35 pm #625177In reply to: Rave, rave, rave for Springhill
charlabobParticipantDo they have online menus yet? Their website still says “coming soon”?
May 30, 2008 at 4:26 pm #625297In reply to: LGBT West Seattle
michelledMemberWe’re interested… and I’ll keep checking here to see what people come up with, but count us in :)
May 30, 2008 at 4:25 pm #625630In reply to: Public running track?
addParticipantThe one by the golf course is definitely open to the public (unless there is some kind of track meet or football game going on). We used the one at CSHS last weekend, it is really nice!
And, I think shihtzu is right – I’m pretty sure the school facilities are open to the public outside of school hours.
May 30, 2008 at 4:15 pm #625255In reply to: WASL/School Standards
beachdrivegirlParticipantKomo News had an interview on this very topic this moring. Once again reiterating the fact that the WASL test is not a fair assessment of students with learning disabilities or ESL. Caduceus I think you are a little to smug there with you poor me attitude about having to put up with having these students in your classroom. You are not above them and they have every right to the education that you are receiving. And the WASL test discriminates against them which is awful.
May 30, 2008 at 3:56 pm #625296In reply to: LGBT West Seattle
megMemberAnyone else interested want to chime in on time/thoughts/etc? Shibaguyz- since this was your idea, would another day/time work better? Or do you want to leave it till closer that day?
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