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  • #621358

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    jt..

    you didn’t ask me to take some responsibility for my actions..

    you told me i was responsible for the animosity on the blog…

    i take full responsibility for my actions.

    i spent the weekend away from here both acknowledging and examining my anger…

    and before i stepped back in.. i decided i that i did not need to hold myself to some higher standard of behavior…

    while those i was talking with not only wouldn’t hold to a similar standard towards my candidate but found it acceptable to personally attack me…

    I haven’t lowered my standards to name calling or insinuations about Senator Obama.. I haven’t called a single person here a name..

    but i have decided it is ok to get angry about being treated badly…

    i am not taking any more s..t …. from anyone..

    if you want to speak publicly with me.. speak to me with respect and you will get respect back.

    if you want to speak sarcastically to me.. you will get sarcasm back…

    You want to throw facts and figures at me.. i will throw them back…

    you want to trade insults.. you will get insults.

    I am sick.. i am tired.. i am in more pain than i have ever been in my life… and i am angry at the behavior i have seen exhibited here.. and not just towards me.

    If those who post here are going to assume that i am some kind of malicious person who will argue for the sake of argument.., and will do anything to win… then that is who they will meet on this blog.

    I am not that person.. but apparently once a few of you decided i was.. my personal history of kindness and consideration just got in the way of a good storyline..

    I never chose to make any of this discussion public… each and every one of you who chose to lob personal insults at me has always had my personal email… most of you have my personal phone number…

    and with friends i listen to anything.. even complaints about my bad behavior…

    #625665
    dapuffin
    Participant

    MrPuffin was told that the Rav would need a new engine. We bought it in 1997 at Bob Bridge/Renton. They’ve done all of the maintenance on it over the years. I don’t *think* they’d say it needed a whole new engine if it wasn’t so. >sigh<

    Thanks for vote of confidence on Toyota/Honda of Seattle. I’ll check them out.

    #625262

    In reply to: WASL/School Standards

    bcollins
    Member

    Wow…I think the WASL is great. Like any standard…there needs to be refinements and adjustments. I think dropping the math or science ( I don’t recall) was a mistake. The fact is that public education ( something the U.S. fostered as a concept initially I believe) was meant to ensure a level and common understanding and ability to achieve. This is obviously only possible to a point.

    I think our Asian and European world patners are all very comfortable with setting minimum expectations of achievement. Why can’t we? Sure, tune it, but don’t through the education out with the high school graduate (kinda lame play on the bath water thing).

    #625647
    TammiWS
    Member

    I’d love some too if you still have any! I’ll email you directly. Thanks!

    #587078
    pbgirl423
    Member

    We lost my infant sons sunglasses at Hiawatha Park somewhere near the swings or sand box and anywhere in between! They’re mostly black with silver flames on the sides and mirrored lenses. They’re special to us because they fit his face perfectly and it was tough to find them!

    If you found them, please email me and I’ll come get them from you. amy_kavanaugh@yahoo.com

    #625664
    GenHillOne
    Participant

    Big fan of Toyota of Seattle (and Honda of Seattle is the same company)…great service/maintenance, no commissions. Are you sure the Rav can’t be revived?

    #621357

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    TammiWS
    Member

    This string makes me tired! Thanks Ken for a great read. One can only hope…..The R’s must love this string! Just what they are sitting back and all along hoping would happen – infighting and not paying close attention to McCain – and here were are feeding it in our tiny little WSB community!

    #621356

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    beachdrivegirl..

    I understand exactly how it works.

    the candidates for the party campaign.

    if one of them hits the magic number for committed state delegates… they win the nomination on the spot.

    if not… the nomination goes to the convention where what is considered to be a standoff is settled by superdelegates…

    it’s not really that clearcut.. because what happens is a lot of negotiation.. not a lot of voting… it’s all really decided most of the time before they walk in the door..

    that process didn’t change from the beginning to the end.

    it’s a little snagged because the DNC chose to grandstand with Florida and Michigan figuring they would never have to pay the bill.. and that has complicated things…

    but the process is pretty much what it always is.

    if Obama was the overwhelming choice of democrats in this country.. he would have his magic number…

    if other democrats believed as you do.. they would have stopped voting for Hillary… and he would get his magic number.

    There is no way around the fact that democrats have not stop voting for Hillary

    the nomination is not and never has been decided by simple majority…

    noone has won.

    as for whether Hillary is wanted or needed.. i think you might rethink that.

    It is clear that a large part of the democratic party clearly supports her candidacy.

    Hillary’s supporters do not favor her withdrawing from the nomination… and that has little to do with obstinacy…

    if she withdraws.. she has no bargaining chips for issues that matter to us… and there is far more at stake at the convention than just the selecting the nominee…

    I want Hillary to walk in to any negotiation with the strongest hand she can get… and i am not alone.

    Even if she does not end up the candidate.. she will be wanted and needed by the party.

    You may have bought the story that she is just political baggage.. but i doubt very much that the democratic party has…

    Obama supporters can’t win the general election on their own. Hillary’s support is going to be crucial..

    if and when she withdraws it will be from a position of strength… gaining something for those who support her in the process… and yes.. maybe something for herself… I personally think Obama’s campaign should pay her campaign debts for running the costs of a primary so high…

    There is no clear winner. So now this becomes politics. They negotiate.. they bluff.. they bluster… the try to find some compromise that keeps both sides of the party happy.

    neither of us sees a way that can happen right now.. but we will see…

    In the meantime.. obama is actually stronger in the fall the longer Hillary stays in. You may be doing fine on the McCain thread.. i confess i haven’t felt well enough to look yet… but the republican attack machine won’t be truly launched against him until he is the nominee.. and i am not exaggerating when i say you haven’t seen anything yet…

    troll some of the republican sites and then follow their links back if you can stomach it… The further you go, the uglier it gets…

    As for what Obama should be doing in the meantime.. in my opinion it is time his campaign moved past selling the campaign and the movement and started selling their candidate to the rest of the democratic party…

    He should denounce the anti-Hillary smear campaign on the blogs.. denounce the blatant sexism.. say that it was never enough for him not not personally participate.. he now sees that he should have said more… tread the high road he says he’s on.

    if not.. he really isn’t in much better position facing McCain in the fall who condemns skulduggery while raising money for those who perpetrate it.

    Nancy Pelosi said something very interesting in an interview lately.. she said any comination Obama and Clinton ticket would be a winning ticket this fall.. but that it would not happen… i think she followed in that interview with the comment “what would they do with her husband?”

    now.. that’s interesting… there is definately infighting going on in the democratic party that is not good “for the good of the party” and yet it looks like both sides will fight to the literal death…

    Mostly all we can do now is stand back and see what comes of it.

    dapuffin
    Participant

    Our 1997 Rav4 just died. Suddenly. =(

    (a moment of silence please)

    We need to get a new car and pretty quickly… like this weekend. We’re thinking of Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris or Mazda 3. Any suggestions for dealerships around here? And any experience with the above-mentioned models? MrPuffin commutes from West Seattle to Kirkland each day, and we really need a good efficient car. As for me, I ride Metro.

    Thanks in advance.

    #621355

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    charlabob
    Participant

    Thanks, Ken! That’s truly amazing.

    BTW, for real politics geeks, CS-SPAN broadcast of the Rules and Bylaw Committee meeting has started. They are currently broadcasting the hearing in November, where R&B assessed the penalties for Michigan and Florida. Tomorrow broadcast of the current hearing starts up again at 6:30 a.m. our time. I find it absolutely fascinating, no matter what they decide.

    #621354

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Ken, you are a constant source of reasonable information. Someday, I wish you’d post a list of all the sites you read.

    #625661

    In reply to: Rave for today!

    Erik
    Participant

    The water taxi ride home was mahvelous!

    #625646
    Bonnie
    Participant

    Now Margaret, why didn’t you tell me? LOL! I’d love to have some. well, my husband would love to have some. (I don’t do gardening)

    #621353

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    Ken
    Participant

    http://www.donnabrazile.com/viewNews.cfm?id=277

    Donna Brazil makes it clear how this will end.

    Throughout this long and drawn-out campaign season, I have not wasted any opportunity to advocate for Clinton to be given every chance to achieve her goal. I never counted her out, but after June 3,

    I will count the delegates to see who is ahead and by how much.

    There are some media reports suggesting that Clinton is now willing to extend the primary fight beyond the last set of primaries. That’s just awful. No matter on which side of the fence Democratic primary voters have decided to stand, a convention battle is not in the party’s best interests.

    Democrats are eager to win this year, and it’s time for the noble warriors who are backing the candidates to take their aim or their political swords and focus on John McCain and his allies. It’s time to rally around the nominee as soon as the fourth day of June breaks upon the horizon.

    Why not? What would Democrats gain by taking this debate any further, especially when the party is now engaged in the kind of polarizing politics that we once denounced the GOP for using for partisan gain. What can be won by tainting the process, arguing the rules are now unfair, or worse, the Republican rule of winner-takes-all should have guided the Democrats as well? All this fuss is simply about saving face and waiting to see whether some awful thing tarnishes the presumptive nominee. It’s shameful, short-sighted, mean-spirited and morally unacceptable. Now, I said it.

    To my longstanding friends in the feminist community who have called out the media as being culturally sexist and misogynistic, it is time to help educate the American public about the corrosive impact of sexism in politics and elsewhere. But we can have this dialogue without using divisive language and political tactics that further threaten to divide our country and party. If another woman comes up to me in an airport and suggests Obama should wait his turn, I might scream, “Stop it!” This is not about who should be first, it’s about who has the most delegates and who might make the best president of the United States.

    The most tragic thing I have heard is this need to link the Obama camp to pundits inside the media who have used the “math” historically used to call an election with attempts to push Hillary out of the race. After all, when the senator held a lead in every national poll in 2007, the media described her groundbreaking campaign as being inevitable. No one called that sexist.

    Obama will have earned the right to become the declared Democratic nominee once he has reached the 2,026 delegates he needs. If the party decides to amend the just and known penalty it swore to impose on states and those officials that put its voters in jeopardy of not having a voice at the convention by violating the rules, the adjusted number should not alter

    the race. Instead, the amendment should allow the presumptive nominee to help bring the party together.

    Speaking of unity, it’s time that the same means used to stir up passions, donations and volunteer efforts for our all our party’s presidential candidates be redirected to help mount a credible offense to elect Democratic candidates up and down the ballot this fall. This will require all the party’s presidential campaigns to unite in urging their supporters to come together and stop the smear campaigns.

    No serious-minded Democratic official is asking Clinton to disappear. They better not. They know how much the party needs her and every one of her supporters back on the field to help push the nominee and the party down the field to victory. Let’s face it: Clinton can fire up the base like no one else, except perhaps Bill himself. Besides, she alone has proven that America is ready to vote for a woman for president. If she decides to continue to compete for popular votes and delegates, she has every right to do so. DNC Chairman Howard Dean will not stop the process — nor does he have any right to do so. And that also goes for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who will chair the convention in Denver.

    Democratic primary voters will need time for reconciliation, and the process needs to start sooner rather than later. Healing takes time.

    Both Clinton and Obama agree that once preconditions have been met, speaking to foreign enemies is a necessary first step toward peace. This basic tenet of diplomacy is best practiced by first being able to speak to one’s colleagues at home.

    At the very least, however difficult, it’s a good place to start. Come dawn on

    the fourth day of June, it will be high time to lay down arms, leaving hands free to pick up the olive branch and unite before going into battle.

    #625660

    In reply to: Rave for today!

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    I still have an hour of work…with month end!! so i am counting the seconds

    #625659

    In reply to: Rave for today!

    charlabob
    Participant

    I hereby declare, as the resident curmudgeonly crone, that the weekend is here!!!! Yippppeeee! Have great ones, everybody!

    c

    #621352

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    charlabob
    Participant

    JT, don’t try to understand — just sit back and enjoy it; really — there’s nothing else to do. I am deeply embarassed for the women of my generation on behalf of those who don’t have sense enough to be.

    #625645
    MargL
    Member

    My email address is already out there on the intarweb so I’m not so worried about folks finding it – but I’ll obfuscate a little for the sake of not encouraging unrelated unsolicited emails :-)

    eyrse at yahoo dot com

    #621351

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    JoB, creating thoughts for others does not make them real.

    I suggested you take SOME responsibility for *re-hashing* the same old business. Re-hashing. It was your complaint. You are participating. You share SOME responsibility.

    How you could manage to turn that into *JT.. i am not going to defend my right to exist..*, is really quite beyond my understanding.

    #621350

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    test

    #621349

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    He has won JoB do you not understand how it works??? He has the most delegates won; however, he can not force a competitor out of the running until the convention. Just in every other primary the canidate has had enough respect and common sense to get out of where they are no longer wanted or needed. For how *experienced* and what an *expert* you are on how we should vote and how things work you sure our far from reality on this one.

    #621348

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    walfredo..

    you have a rich fantasy life.

    if Obama had won.. as you have been contending for weeks… there would be no conversation…

    none of us knows how the political infighting will turn out… but i would bet on Hillary as being the better player… with far more political favors to call in than obama or his supporters…

    i think there will be surprises yet…

    so keep that fantasy life active… maybe you really can make the world over through your dreams ;-)

    #621347

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    JT

    let’s see..

    i started a thread so i could talk positively about my candidate when i was no longer able to do so on other threads…

    others posters decided it was not ok to have any positive words about Hillary posted anywhere on this forum and chose the new thread to continue the ongoing round of virulent Hillary bashing…

    therefore making it one more political thread too hostile for conversation among those who support Hillary.

    when i quit posting.. they still chose this thread to continue Hillary bashing..

    but it is all my fault because i defend her.

    yeah.. right…

    so the only way i could stop this all being my fault is if i let every insinuation about Hillary stand totally uncorrected…

    I could post a few comments here and there and ignore the stream of rebuttals..

    i think i would have to be some kind of saint to do that.. and i am pretty sure i am not..

    or i could stop posting…

    either way…

    i couldn’t be part of the conversation.

    nope.. even being a saint wouldn’t do it… because my sainthood would come at the cost of giving in to a bunch of bullies…

    because that is what people who won’t let other people say something they don’t want to hear are.. bullies…

    JT.. i am not going to defend my right to exist..

    nor am i going to take responsibility for the tone of this conversation…

    i attempted to turn it around several times with no success…

    i leave.. i come back.. the tone of the conversation doesn’t change…

    there is just noone presenting an opposing viewpoint..

    go find someone or something else to hold responsible .. and stop blaming the negative tone of these posts on me.

    #621346

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    Kayleigh have a fab trip and relax!!

    #621345

    In reply to: Hot for Hillary

    walfredo
    Member

    JoB-

    Thank you! You made my weekend. That has to be the best argument I’ve ever read…

    Why doesn’t Obama drop out? Well, #1- he’s won the nomination… That’s kind of a biggie…

    But lets get specific. I argued in early March, how I felt that Clinton supporters were setting a terrible precident with there willingness to have an election decided by “Super” people. That supporting a candidate whose only hope was having them overturn an election, well is a bad precident, and would be a devastating move for the party.

    But this is much better now. So- now we are taking that off the table, because clearly it isn’t going to happen- heck he’s leading in Supers these days- “undecideds” like Pelosi, Reid, Carter etc… It is over.

    So- I love it! The candidate who loses then blackmails the party by strongholding her supporters support in the general election. Thus forcing the winner to concede! That has to be the best precident for future elections I can imagine. It’s not about forming a winning coalition, its not about the primaries, the caucases, the superdelegates. None of that matters. It’s about inspiring enough lunatics to blackmail the party to support you, and discard the election winner. To disregard math and facts, and invent your own metrics. Then when presented with losing, just ignore it.

    If anyone is wondering where my comments like- her gaining power as the end, absolutely and without exception justifies any possible mean that could be presented before her to obtain the power.

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