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  • #752659
    DBP
    Member

    From a site called FindLaw.com:

    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

    So, yeah. Stronger than manslaughter (I was wrong, too) but not pre-meditated.

    #754341
    DBP
    Member

    Yeah, what WSB said. We ALL need to be kinder to each other and to animals, starting with me. (I’m an animal, so be kind to me.)

    WSB: Please consider asking posters with this kind of info to stick around and revisit their posts. If a new member posts one message (and one message only) about some controversial issue, then it can give the impression that the poster is just pushing our buttons.

    Not that that’s hard, obviously.

    Thanks.

    –David

    #753648
    redblack
    Participant

    heh. you obviously don’t fly that much. airports suck.

    i’ll put money on it, kootch. if you give me a train that breaks 100 mph on a dedicated line (as opposed to one that leases right-of-way from freight lines) i’ll race you from downtown seattle to downtown portland any day of the week.

    and twice on sunday.

    by the yea, airports are usually located hell and gone from where people really need or want to be. and unless they have some kind of rail system to get them from the airport to downtown, they’re just wasting more fossil fuels.

    trains, on the other hand, go right into urban cores.

    as a matter of fact, i’ll race you on amtrak right now. downtown to downtown. elysian fields to the rogue ale house.

    but you have to go through seatac. no cheating with your private jet.

    and i’ll spot ya’: you can ride link light rail to seatac and max to downtown PDX.

    #754349

    In reply to: calling all democrats

    redblack
    Participant

    DP: there is a resolution process, and 34dems have a number of resolutions that they will be sending to the state caucus. (so before any dems reading this get excited about drafting new resolutions, they should check the 34dems site for redundancy.)

    give me a while to get some dinner in me and i’ll post relevant links, much like TR did on the front page.

    and big thanks to our editor for putting this on the front page.

    btw, if your precinct committee officer (PCO) isn’t walking your precinct and getting the word out, first find out if you have an acting PCO. if you do, and if you have the time and/or interest, consider asking him or her if he or she needs help spreading the word.

    PCO’s are the first link in the chain of the democratic process – for presidential elections, anyway. and unfortunately, 34dems don’t have a huge advertising budget. beyond that, i guess it’s up to local press to spread the word – with prodding from the local democratic party, of course. (and by local press, i’m obviously excluding WSB, who are great at reporting on the 34th district dems, and appear to need no prodding from the party.)

    sue: are you in 1471?

    #754278
    Bostonman
    Member

    Ahh I see. I am not going to say they can’t protest because obviously they can but I think its possibly a big assumption that McDonalds does that. I have never looked into it personally though so I can’t say one way or another. Might as well protest safeway or thriftway. My guess is they are probably equally guilty or not guilty.

    #754097

    Tuesday bump!

    Tickets selling well. Make sure you get one, this is a can’t miss-it kind of show!

    Here’s a youtube clip of JB

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBVOyustSas&feature=relmfu

    #753641
    WorldCitizen
    Participant

    I think oil is necessary and vital to the present and future interests of the United States. I think we should be increasing our domestic production in intelligent, environmentally sound ways, and decreasing the need to rely on Mid-East sources. I also, think we should be doing everything we can to raise the price of gas in this country slowly but steadily regardless of where we get it from by taxing the hell out of it. We should be eliminating the giveaways to Big Oil. We should take that tax money and re-invest almost 100% into R&D for renewable energy technology. We should eventually make it hurt financially to own something that uses so much oil that it threatens the sovereignty of our nation.

    This kind of plan would take decades to accomplish as we can not obviously get rid of our existing fleet of autos overnight. We don’t have the technology to replace fossil fuels in this country as of now, and the pressing need for change won’t alter that reality.

    Excellent public transportation systems are vital to the future of our country. Change is coming and we will be dragging all the car culture warriors along with us kicking and screaming. And it won’t be easy. And it won’t be fair to all people either. It’s necessary, though, as we aren’t living a sustainable existence.

    #739421
    WorldCitizen
    Participant

    OK, so let’s just say that the couple of cases that are in the news count as something, as they should. What level of a problem is this? As stated above by dobro, the overall numbers just don’t add up enough to make this worth implementing a system that every neutral party admits would amount to massive voter disenfranchisement. This fraud, as well as the various other cases over the years, are held up in the limelight by those who know that it is in fact a way to decrease the role the poor and elderly play in elections…groups that vote overwhelmingly for left-leaning candidates.

    One can say “voter registration is no more an inconvenience than showing ID for a six pack” and you’d be right. The problem isn’t showing the ID, it’s getting the ID. Just because your world view is limited to what you see as no big deal, doesn’t mean it’s not a massive struggle for countless others. But this doesn’t really get at your question, does it?

    I’ll stick by my answer and say the instances are not enough to warrant our national attention. I will amend it to say that I agree with you that the acceptable number instances of voter fraud are zero. If you’d like to get at a way to increase the value and sanctity of every vote possible, then I would suggest doing it in a way that is much less burdensome on the individual. Again, I don’t find it a burden and obviously neither do you, but that doesn’t make it so for the rest of America.

    I’ll also go on record as saying I don’t have a good answer for you as to how to change the system. I must insist, though, that any attempt to place the right to vote with the ability of an individual to get an ID is at best misguided and at worst nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to disenfranchise voters across the nation. That goes directly against your claim to care about the sanctity of the voting process.

    I won’t sit back and let those who would use such overall insignificant events like this to limit the rights and voices of those most in need, just to gain selfish political advantage.

    Oh, and as far as post #42 goes, well probably just not the best language for me to use in a text only format. The intent behind it was to say that none of the examples online add up to enough to make it an issue. That doesn’t make the fraud legitimate, it makes it insignificant.

    #752633
    JanS
    Participant

    lol…Kootch – obviously somebody watches NBC, because we heard about their mistake quite quickly…

    #754089
    kayo
    Participant

    This is so frustrating. Get off your cell phone and drive your damn car! It just takes a second of not paying attention for something awful to happen. Is that text or answering that phone call while driving worth ruining your life or the life of someone else? Think about it folks! Please be careful around school zones and also around bus stops. I have seen too many speeders waiting with my daughter in the morning as well. I am so glad you followed up with the police. Obviously someone who gives you the finger after doing something that stupid needs to learn a lesson. Let’s just hope that lesson doesn’t come at the expense of someone else.

    #753960

    In reply to: RAVE: beer junction

    redblack
    Participant

    1200? crikey.

    among the names of beers that i find amusing are old engine oil and pothole filler. (these are obviously stouts/porters.)

    #753918
    miws
    Participant

    Diane, I believe this may be the first time you’ve ever been “kootched”! Welcome to the club! You now stand among a prestigious bunch.

    anonyme, you bring up a very valid point in post #46.

    It’s very possible that someone might spot a mother breastfeeding, while simply looking around at their surroundings, and are not ogling her.

    However to those that find the act of breastfeeding in public offensive; it’s as simple as being mature, and looking away, and not getting all distraught.

    I’ll stop short of suggesting that if a woman is obviously flaunting her breast while feeding, or not otherwise trying hard to be discreet, the the offendee should approach “offender” with their concern, as the level of offensiveness in relation to the level of exposure can be subjective…..what is reasonably discreet to me, may be flaunting to another.

    I guess what I’m tryin’ to say is; as long as the mother isn’t floppin’ her boobie around, saying “Hey! Check this out!!” don’t get so discombobulated!

    Mike

    #753987
    Smitty
    Participant

    Yes, corporate America and the stock market “never” look ahead – well – at least the ones that don’t weather the storms very well. Corporations hedge against fuel, inflation, all kinds of things. Increased corporate taxes and burdensome healthcare promises certainly made it the right move — not to mention the predictions that the next four years would be a slow, slow recovery. We weren’t the only ones, obviously. Deny all you want of it makes you feel better.

    What does substantiate mean? Show you the meeting minutes ? I probably would if I knew I wouldn’t have 20 unemployed occupiers in our lobby the next day for doing the prudent thing.

    Edit; No Jan, we never said that.

    #753897
    JanS
    Participant

    Diane…obviously disagree w/ some who post here. Too many occasions of women sent to the bathroom. The state passed a law, but it’s very difficult to press charges. A Seattle ordinance/law will rectify that some. If some men don’t like that, too bad.No woman should have to get up in the middle of her meal, go to the restroom, or out to her car to feed her child. It’s a breast, sagging or not. We come in all shapes and sizes.It’s a body, and it’s not offensive.

    #753895
    kootchman
    Member

    Diane. .. over the top. A civil rights issue? We get our cultural standards by consensus. Not by legislation. Trust me, 90 per cent of the women we would rather not see topless either. But even the saggy, draggy, age and gravity afflicted of us would do well with a little vitamin D. You are correct, “a cultural shift” via education. Here’s a flash, you are not going to get your cultural shift via laws. As you admit we have state laws… not we have to have city laws.. and heck lets get the county in the act too. In your racist postulation did you consider the cultural sensibilities of any of your fellow citizens? Of course not. Pulling out a breast in a muslim mosque or restaurant? Personally.. I don’t care one way or another. If you want to breast feed in public .. go ahead. Realize though others do not agree with it. In the case of a private business, on their property, well, it’s their business. You can do the most obvious… and not patronize the business. No Shirts no shioes, no service…routine. Then your “cultural shift” hypothesis is put to the test. If you are right, well then the business suffers, if you are wrong, you have a minority opinion and do not reflect the cultural norms. If the general public thinks it is immodest, exhibitionist… yep… you will get looks that reflect their opinion. Or are you going to try and legislate that too? If you bare a breast in the public square… it’s a public issue to discuss and comment on as the individuals feel free to. This is a civil rights issue? Hardly rises to that level. These are not the issues used in civil rights. These are community standards. Now here’s the thing.. I think it is perfectly natural, and I have no objection, it does not offend my sensibilities. I liked watching my wife breast feed. It was a peaceful, tender, moment. Very gratifying, very family centric. Is there any aspect of life…any at all, where you don’t feel compelled to have some legislation imposed on people who don’t share your sensibility? What a waste of city council time. I watched an interesting interview with Van Jones promoting his new book. His comments were surprising.. he said in essence… hats off to the TEA party.. they DID their movement… LBJ was not a champion of civil rights… he signed into law national consensus, brought about by a powerful movement. Government follows and reflects national consensus. This new trend is not to build consensus… but to impose idealogy that has not been built on consensus. It has no foundation and no legitimacy, Legislating every aspect of life is lazy activism.

    #753891
    happy hour
    Participant

    Some solid and funny comments. Cobracaidjo, I think you may be crying out for help to start a tread like this. Your replys are filled w/ signs of PTSD. As other people have mentioned in the past, if it were a man who needed to breast feed, there wouldn’t be a problem @ all. It would be a 2 thumbs up protocal and whahoo session like bull riding.

    You are obviously missing gentle emotions in your life. Please get well and don’t blame baby’s for needing mothers.

    #753883
    desertdweller
    Participant

    As a person who will start breast feeding (hopefully) in a few months, I hope that the few people who are so obviously afraid of a woman’s nipple will choose not to stare at me as I breast feed my baby.

    Sure, I can choose to use a cover (and probably will if I remember to bring one), but you could just as easily not stare and move on with your lives.

    I mean really, who knew that a nipple could cause so much fuss?

    #753847
    shihtzu
    Participant

    Your comparison is absurd and doesn’t really deserve a reply but I can’t help it.

    Boobies don’t scare or offend me and babies need to leave the house and eat.

    It’s unfortunate such laws need to introduced in the first place, but obviously they do.

    #753778

    In reply to: NEVER trust a blinker

    redblack
    Participant

    tom: good point about media licensing and PSA’s, although i think that would be an FCC thing.

    i think it would be more appropriate for insurance companies to offer reminders of traffic laws – like keeping right except to pass – and safe driving tips, because more safe drivers means fewer crashes and less payout for them.

    good point about putting on the directional before the light turns green, too. the obvious follow-up is that you’re supposed to pull halfway into the intersection – with wheels straight – while waiting to turn. this gives cars behind you enough room to go around you. if the light turns yellow – or even red – you have the right and obligation to make your turn to clear the intersection.

    and the left-turning car behind you does not.

    #753204
    Caduceus
    Member

    I’ll just leave this here.

    Paul Ryan’s response.

    http://tiny.cc/gle9bw

    From my albeit ignorant take the largest problem I see is that no one is talking about what else is in the budget. If it’s reducing things to “pre-Obama” as Paul Ryan says..; what about Discretionary spending? All people are talking about is how much the GOP hates old people (obviously this isn’t the case). And I want to also know what would happen to gov jobs, employment projects, defense budget etc

    Edit; Just got some googling done and discovered that Ryan is presumably a laissez faire capitalist. Which makes me a little less obligated to take a stab at “fairness” or being too modest with doubt…

    #753514
    waterworld
    Participant

    Muchlove — If there’s someone taking in the cat and her soon-to-be-kittens, I think that’s great. I can understand someone deciding against spaying when the cat is so obviously pregnant. I hope you (and your friend and co-worker — whoever is caring for the cat and kittens) will take Pamela’s offer in the spirit in which it’s offered. Pamela is a fantastic resource for arranging things like getting mom-cat spayed relatively soon after the kittens are born and fixing the kittens before they are adopted out.

    #752067
    Kevin
    Participant

    @MetMarket – a “new” user as of 04/03/12. Obviously YOU took the initiative – or were directed by your superiors to do “damage control.”

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    All I see is a bunch of “corporate speak” that does NOT even begin to address the real issue being discussed. As a matter of fact – no mention is made period!

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    I think I will continue to direct my shopping dollars towards Safeway and Thriftway. BOTH are stores that respond VERY quickly to customer comments and complaints. They take issues seriously, and any issues are resolved very promptly!

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    Perhaps MM “store director” Glen would care to comment personally???

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    MM does not appear to really care. Personally, I could care less, as I rarely shop there. The new Admiral Safeway kind of took the wind out the MM sails / sales.

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    Only 10 more days until Trader Joe’s opens. Wonder what sort of customer service they will have?

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    #753542
    redblack
    Participant

    well, the obvious plug is for han’s VW on 35th. nothing but VW/audi. i’ve used them, and they’re okay. they fit your criteria, but i have a slight electrical problem that they could quite nail down.

    there’s also foreign car workshop in the triangle, on 36th, just north of alaska. i haven’t used them, but i think i will next time i need something done that i can’t do myself.

    and i’ve heard that west seattle auto works – who have a tile ad 1/3 of the way down the right side of this page – does european cars.

    #753158

    In reply to: Tax refund delay

    redblack
    Participant

    wow. what a font of misinformation you are, kootch.

    a refund occurs when you have paid more than you owe from withholding. simple as that. it has nothing to do with entitlements, or 48% of us not paying taxes. everyone who draws a paycheck has taxes withheld, unless he’s really smart or really stupid. at the very least, they have the opportunity to have taxes withheld.

    read squareeyes’ post. the delays are about fraud protection measures that the IRS has to employ because of electronic filing.

    don’t want to pay in april? adjust your withholding on your W-4.

    want a faster refund? fire off that return as soon as you get the W-2. first come, first served.

    (sounds like jasperblu might be experiencing technical difficulties, though. sadly, it happens.)

    now, if you file quarterly, you are obviously a big boy and can handle the IRS payments. can’t you?

    #752554
    JoB
    Participant

    JV

    all i can do is shake my head…

    it’s obvious to me that you can’t hear yourself…

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