FOLLOWUP: SDOT’s new-ish plan for crash-prone area toward southwest end of westbound West Seattle Bridge

(Reader photo sent by CJ, December 14)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Is it the drivers’ fault or the pavement’s fault? The discussion reignites almost every time we report a crash toward the southwest end of the westbound West Seattle Bridge, in the general area of the pullout near the two remaining “Walking on Logs” sculptures and the “Welcome to West Seattle” sign. The “drivers’ fault” faction says people are just driving too fast. The “pavement’s fault” faction blames an inconsistency in the road surface right in that spot.

(Reader photo sent by Mike, October 26)

We don’t have hard-and-fast data on crashes at this location – the SDOT collision map is neither comprehensive nor (location-wise) precise, and our archives are not necessarily comprehensive either, nor is publicly visible data: The SFD 911 log will show a collision only if there was a dispatch for injuries, and the SPD police-data map if the crash was reported by a 911 caller. Plus, there’s no functioning traffic camera in that spot, so for visuals, we’re reliant on reader photos. But our archives alone show more than a dozen mentions of crashes in that spot just this year.

(Reader photo, October 24)

Back in February, we sought and reported on SDOT’s response to our inquiry about whether any action was planned regarding this area. A department spokesperson said at that time that they planned “to add safety enhancements to encourage drivers to approach the curve at a safer speed” and then might evaluate pavement work if that didn’t help. The timeline given was “this year.”

(Reader photo, OMarch 24)

So now we’re at the end of “this year.” After more crashes in mid-December, we asked SDOT for an update. Here’s how they responded this time:

Based on recent crash activity and additional review, we will be installing two near-term safety enhancements to improve driver awareness of the curve:

-curve warning signs, and
-raised pavement markers to enhance visibility for approaching drivers.

The work orders have been issued.

This represents a slight change from what was discussed earlier this year. While reflective markings on the existing guardrail were previously mentioned as a potential third treatment, that option is still under internal evaluation.

As we shared in February, our pavement engineers and Vision Zero team have also been evaluating longer-term solutions to improve traction in this area, including either grinding the top layer of pavement or installing a high-friction surface treatment. Those options remain under consideration and would need to be scheduled further out, taking into account resources, weather, crew availability, and traffic impacts.

We’ll continue to monitor conditions at this location and assess whether additional measures are recommended.

Some pavement work was done in that area during the 2020-2022 West Seattle Bridge closure, as we reported, and showed, in this story about a visit to the work zone toward the end of bridge-repair work.

40 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: SDOT's new-ish plan for crash-prone area toward southwest end of westbound West Seattle Bridge"

  • Dave December 31, 2025 (1:11 pm)

    A curve warning and lane marker won’t help. Why oh why must SDOT be so recalcitrant on this?

    • k December 31, 2025 (1:54 pm)

      They spent all their money making a turnaround for Rob Saka and this is all they can afford now.  Or they just hate SUVs & pickups.  Maybe both.

  • CarDriver December 31, 2025 (1:53 pm)

    Pavement resurfacing is the only solution. I’ve spoken to SDOT employees that have actually been to those accident scenes and they completely agree. They laugh though because the engineers refuse to come out of their office to see what’s actually needed firsthand. They don’t want to hear from the “not college educated”. These spinouts will continue until they resurface. Those that claim speed is the only cause are only helping SDOT keep their heads in the sand.

    • Newton's3rd December 31, 2025 (3:19 pm)

      If SDOT resurfaces the road,  what will  CARDRIVER and the “not college educated” defenses become when there are more accidents on this curve (which there likely will be)?

      Resurfacing the road will not prevent all future accidents.  
      Speed for the conditions is what those with high school physics and college education attribute to these accidents. 

      On another note, with all of these accidents, have any of the car drivers that crashed spoken out?  
      What explanation do they provide to the SPD and their insurance?  
      Do they get cited for a traffic violation?  
      And what do their insurance companies do when their drivers claim that the road that hundreds of thousands before them drove successfully, caused their single car accident?
      Has any accident driver sued SDOT (even in small claims court)?

      • CheeseWS777 December 31, 2025 (9:02 pm)

        Its not just their “single” accident. There has been a ton of accidents in the same spot vs other areas where people speed all the time and yet no accidents. So while speed may or may not have contributed to the resulting wrecks, there is definitely a larger cause that needs to be addressed 

  • Greystreet December 31, 2025 (1:57 pm)

    A sign and a lane marker…this is a joke right? Anyone can see the road surface is a nightmare and if you’ve driven it you’ve felt it, even the most well-handled vehicle regardless of speed. I’ve had my back tires skid out to the side going under 25 in the rain. This is ridiculous ::angry face::

  • Pat December 31, 2025 (1:57 pm)

    Well, what do you want them to do? I don’t want to downplay this issue but I do agree that too many people seem to treat this area as an extension of the 45mph speed limit on the bridge and it isn’t. I used to commute that stretch daily and never found it slippery when you travel the speed limit and focus on your driving, not your phone.I can understand how a sudden maneuver such as an encroachment of another vehicle could cause a slide/accident. But I’m not sure how the road surface (greatly improved during the bridge shutdown in my unscientific opinion) should tke the whole blame.

    • Sarah December 31, 2025 (3:30 pm)

      The speed limit is still 45 through that curve. It drops to 30 after the pedestrian overpass, then 25 once you cross 35th. 

      • Newton's 3rd December 31, 2025 (4:19 pm)

        Correct but you are ignoring the 30 MPH Yellow advisory sign with the skidding graphics sign below it before the turn.  

    • Dave December 31, 2025 (3:34 pm)

      Cut the surface past the dip to add traction to the aggregate, which is far more slippery than the grooved concrete, and if needed eliminate the dip that causes rear wheel unloading as you exit the dip. 

    • CarDriver December 31, 2025 (3:39 pm)

      Pat. Problem is the repaving SDOT did during the closure was only HALF the curve. Know why they didn’t do the whole curve? Me neither. Are you familiar with the Charleston hill-between 47th and 48th. As you have to stop at the bottom my truck would never make it up if it was wet. I had to put it in 4wd to get up. Many years ago SDOT put on a new surface. It’s lasted and is so grippy I could stop halfway up and still get up without 4wd. If the city put this surface on problem would be solved.

      • Newton's 3rd December 31, 2025 (4:22 pm)

        So, putting a new surface will solve the problem of people speeding? 
        No matter the claim, the road surface cannot be the sole cause.

        • The King December 31, 2025 (7:17 pm)

          The surface from beginning to ending of that area changes eight times. Grind it all down. Doing nothing is a slap in the face to taxpayers  

        • WSzombie December 31, 2025 (7:24 pm)

          Literally ZERO people have said that the pavement was the ONLY cause of the accidents. However, MANY people claim that the accidents are ONLY due to excessive speed.

          I say this every time there’s an accident, “Break it down however you want, but it’s NEVER 100% a single cause. X% road quality, X% vehicle, X% speed, X% driver, and X% weather.” But people always ignore it and post the same nonsense, “iT’s ThE sPeEd!!!”

          Anybody who doesn’t think that it’s a mix of factors doesn’t drive on that section of road with a rear wheel drive vehicle. Period, full stop.

  • Curtis December 31, 2025 (2:44 pm)

    SDOT is the enemy of Seattle working people and common sense.The irregular pavement panel on this one section of the roadway is so clearly the culprit.  I thought SDOT cared so much about safety safety safety but that clearly is just a sloganeering  tactic to replace car lanes with bicycle lanes.

    • Newton's3rd December 31, 2025 (4:30 pm)

      “SDOT is the enemy of Seattle working people and common sense.”  

      Incredibly offensive nonsense.
       What about the SDOT crews that did the paving work?  
      Are you claiming they are not working people and why would they sabotage the road? 

      • WSzombie December 31, 2025 (7:30 pm)

        SDOT crews paved where and how the engineers told them to pave. The engineers likely have their reasons for the design. Probably expected the road to be replaced by now or that the bridge construction would fix it. 

        It’s amazing how people pretend that city and state organizations aren’t affected by beauracracy, timelines, and budgets. All these are likely factors why they “sabotaged” the road. 

  • North Admiral Cyclist December 31, 2025 (2:52 pm)

    SDOT is right.  Car brains that want to “improve the pavement” will just hand more drivers an incentive to speed.  First of all, the road does not have the “banking” (side slope) to accommodate the high speeds people think they can drive around the curve.  That’s on purpose.  The original road engineers could not build the road to allow cars flying off the West Seattle “Freeway” at 70 mph when they come to the light at 35th.  SDOT is right to look for ways to slow drivers down – especially the 30+ percent of drivers on the road that are either under the influence, distracted or both.  

    • CarDriver December 31, 2025 (4:44 pm)

      You know the speed other cars are going because you’re going the same speed? Or you’re just guessing at a number. And please educate us on why pavement condition never causes or contributes to accidents.

      • Newton's3rd December 31, 2025 (5:31 pm)

        CARDRIVER is correct!
        Pavement conditions do contribute to accidents.  
        And that is why  warning signs are posted.
        In this case the warning signs are for loss of traction and a speed of 30.  
        I hazard to guess few, if any, of these accidents occurred at speeds below 30.

        • Neighbor December 31, 2025 (8:42 pm)

          And why should anyone take your guess seriously?  That spot has always been slippery.  Anyone who spins out there is going too fast by definition but given the surface the safe speed might be under 20.  That’s too slow to be safe so close to a 45.  People would be slamming on their brakes and causing more accidents.

        • WSzombie December 31, 2025 (9:16 pm)

          The warning signs are NOT posted because of the pavement conditions. That would mean acknowledging unsafe road construction. Admitting the road is bad, then thinking the solution is to post a sign about it, is simply absurd.

          That section of road could be fixed so that cars are less likely to crash when it’s wet. That can not be argued. So why does everyone want to fight against having the road fixed? People are just fighting to be complicit on supporting SDOT with their decision to not fix it. Seattle people don’t want gun violence, so they fight against gun crime. Yet people are crashing cars and everyone seems to say, “well, Darwin took care of them for us”, and continue about their day. Come on people, be better.

  • Mwhitty December 31, 2025 (2:52 pm)

    SDOT just doesn’t get it.

  • jim December 31, 2025 (3:12 pm)

    I’ve driven that curve hundreds and hundreds of times in the last 65 years and never had a problem getting safely around it – snow, rain dry never a problem.  Driving ability is most likely the key problem.

    • WSzombie December 31, 2025 (9:17 pm)

      @Jim What kind of vehicle do you drive? 

  • Oakley34 December 31, 2025 (3:51 pm)

    Seems fine to me. I drive a low to the ground vehicle though, and don’t speed, so maybe the newer cars driven faster truly can’t handle it. Doubtful.

  • BDR December 31, 2025 (3:53 pm)

    Haha. Their lan is laughable. There is already a warning sign before you get to that art of the road. If you want to get SDOT to actually do something, maybe people who have spun out there need get together to sue the city. It will be a lot less expensive to put traction pavement on the road there than be sued. SDOT has been notified of the problem many times and choose to ignore it. If they don’t want to repair the road, maybe they could install flashing yellow lights like they now do for some crosswalks. That might get drivers attention! 🙄🤣😂

  • B M X December 31, 2025 (3:55 pm)

    There are several things wrong here, and have been pointed out before, and i will simplify by using cycling and motocross reference: A) the turn is slightly off camber/ not banked correctly aka Bermed. B) the bridge has new graded concrete (that you have decent traction on) that then meets up w/ old concrete which is polished smooth, and exasperated by above mentioned lack of banking. As well as these differences meet right as you are in the apex (center) of the turn, thus losing traction. C) then there are waves or whoop de doos in this turn. These “waves” cause the auto/truck etc to lose traction, ever so slightly when wet, going a touch too fast, or if you are not feathering the throttle (or accelerator). You can drive a front wheel drive car, in the wet, and hit this turn going the speed limit, and if you are on the gas, your tires CAN lose traction, let alone if you are in a Rear wheel drive truck and/or going a touch too fast and have to correct. Not really rocket science here, and again, until we address these 3 issues, we will have the same results = people getting into wrecks on this turn..regardless of these new warning signs or not. 

  • Seth December 31, 2025 (4:20 pm)

    Y’all car brained people need to slow the f down. Never had an issue with the curve and I drive fast enough. 

    • Robyn G December 31, 2025 (5:44 pm)

      I dont drive the W Seattle Bridge, nor for about 2 months.  The corner going up and around to the traffic light by the sign means RACE !! FAST AS YOU CAN!! GET TO THE LIGHT FIRST!!! And thats why the crashes….

  • Marcus December 31, 2025 (5:03 pm)

    For God F…king sake. Just diamond wheel the stretch and be done with it. I cannot believe that SDOT is so deaf to this issue. I have driven that stretch with excellent tires and at speed limit and there is an issue especially when wet. The aggregate concrete is so ground down that the rocks are flat and polished creating a slick spot. This is really  incompetence at SDOT.   

  • Admiral2009 December 31, 2025 (5:08 pm)

    How about a billboard advertisement for an auto body shop positioned prior to the curve, with a depiction of a car overturned at the curve.  With a caption “PLEASE DON’T BECOME OUR NEXT CUSTOMER”

    • Curious George December 31, 2025 (5:27 pm)

      We all agree that the two new signs won’t fix the problem.  I would give some type of replacing a try, it might help but I don’t know if that would solve the issue either.  I would like a sign that has a mark for each crash with room for lots more. Darwin’s Curve scoreboard.

    • WS Neighbor December 31, 2025 (6:31 pm)

      Great idea!  

  • Ron December 31, 2025 (6:06 pm)

    Maybe they should put some speed bumps there

  • Dave December 31, 2025 (7:36 pm)

    Multiple factors  Less sedans and more high center of gravity SUV vehicles. High milage tires not made for the rain. Distracted driving and no enforcement of traffic laws. Higher volumes of traffic on the same roads.  But ask anyone who drives a truck or sports car and they will tell you: This is a dangerous spot. Concrete plus dip then slick aggregate. Regardless of the moral scolds, people are not going to slow down at this spot, and some out of the area drivers will just not be aware of the problem.  If fixing the road cuts the crashes in half, that is still a win. At some point someone is going to be killed or badly injured in this spot. It will be a truck or SUV driver not wearing a seat belt on a wet day. 

  • Ron Osborne December 31, 2025 (7:52 pm)

    This all about speeding around a curve. No one could crash doing 10 mph over the speed or less under the conditions these crashes occur.

  • 22blades December 31, 2025 (7:56 pm)

    While I’m firmly in the “speed kills camp”, I question SDOT’s management with the recent “improvements” like the over application of “No Turn on Red.” I see some really questionable engineering practices like centerlines that don’t line up after cresting a slope beyond the line of sight. Seems there is a lot of fixes with a bucket of paint & overtime in the sign shop. I suspect there are issues to conform to Federal standards, but the results are terrible. The signage in Seattle has turned into a chaotic mess. Enough signs!

  • JW December 31, 2025 (8:08 pm)

    SDOT is too busy putting up “NO TURN ON RED signs, causing more backup, or repaving the streets that have more patches and potholes its like driving on  a wash board.  Perhaps the NEW SDOT directory could fix the problems???? Let’s hope!

  • JustSomeGuy December 31, 2025 (9:06 pm)

    Take that curve at the recommended speed limit and tell me with a straight face how you could skid off the road. I usually see people barreling down that curve at 55+. Gravity and centrifugal force are not your friends here.

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