Street safety and more discussed at Morgan Community Association’s July meeting

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The Morgan Community Association‘s quarterly meeting last night started with what’s become a more-urgent-than-ever topic in West Seattle after two traffic deaths in less than three months:

(WSB photo, May 6)

CHANGES AT CALIFORNIA/FINDLAY: The city’s semi-new traffic engineer Venu Nemani was at the online meeting to talk about improvements to California/Findlay in the wake of the crash that killed 30-year-old Nicholas Wolf in May as he crossed the street just north of the intersection, headed to his home. SDOT recently announced the crossing on the south side of the intersection will be upgraded fron flashing overhead lights to a pedestrian-activated “half-signal.”

Nemani noted that the intersection falls in the middle of almost a mile of California without signals, and that it’s one of only a few RapidRide stations without a signal nearby.

Nemani said the intersection was already on SDOT’s radar – Reconnect West Seattle wanted California SW evaluated for additional pedestrian improvements that could be completed by the end of this year, so they were talking about NW and SE corner curb bulbs. Then on May 6th came the death just north of the intersection, in which – according to the initial police report – a teenage driver traveling 50-55 mph northbound on a rainy night hit and killed Mr. Wolf, then fled the scene but returned with his father. The incident “kicked our conversations into high gear” regarding safety improvements at and near the California/Findlay intersection, Nemani said. He acknowledged that the continuously flashing CROSSWALK sign tends to be ignored. He said the intersection meets the thresholds for signal installation. So the south-leg crosswalk will be upgraded. Usually that takes about two years between decision and installation but they’re speeding that up by using existing utility poles and already-installed power – so it’s going to be a lot like the signal at Fauntleroy/Findlay (near Fairmount Park Elementary). The side-street stop signs will remain, he said. Four different programs are contributing funding.

They also are aware of other aspects such as speeding concerns – “if the environment of the street doesn’t naturally communicate to slow down … it’s an open invitation to drive faster.” Nemani said SDOT is having “a lot of conversations” about arterial speeding around the city and working to “develop a playbook.” They are now analyzing the effects of the speed limit change – it didn’t seem to influence the major speeders, but it did influence the lesser speeders. So the question now is “how can they change the nature” of the streets. At California/Findlay, they’re proposing a concrete median 50′ south of the intersection to “cut the visual perspective of California … and influence motorists to approach the crosswalk at a slower speed.” They’re also looking at paint-and-post curb bulbs at at least two corners. All of this should be done by year’s end. In response to a question, he said construction would likely last a few weeks at most, likely done on weekends.

This is all intended for the intersection, but the death happened to the north. Could any improvements have prevented what happened? Nemani was also asked. He said miscellaneous things could be done in the “Safe Systems” mode – a system recognizing that people might make mistakes but those mistakes shouldn’t be fatal.

Other, shorter topics:

LOWMAN BEACH: “It’s done!” exulted MoCA president Deb Barker . MoCA’s Michael Brunner showed some new photos of the completed seawall-removal/creek-and-beach-restoration project.

Barker said the city is looking at a “grand opening” celebration on a Saturday in September. Beach naturalists and contests are part of what’s in the works.

Speaking of reopenings …

WEST SEATTLE BRIDGE REOPENING: The celebration-planning coalition (on which MoCA president Barker is active) has launched a new website at westseattlebestseattle.org to “welcome folks back to West Seattle.”

EARTHQUAKE PREPARATION: For the third consecutive MoCA meeting, Cindi Barker – who’s active with the Neighborhood Emergency Communication Hubs – was in attendance to tackle this topic. The goal: A Morgan-specific plan, and figuring out what its priorities should be. Rather than presentation of data, the meeting discussion here was focused on guidance for planning priorities. Gatewood Elementary, The Kenney (WSB sponsor), and the business district topped the list.

MORGAN JUNCTION FESTIVAL POSTMORTEM: “Short and sweet and lovely” is how Deb Barker described the two-hour June 18th festival (WSB coverage here), which included what was likely The Bubbleman‘s last performance ever.

FAUNTLEROY DOCK LETTER: MoCA voted to customize the template for a letter the Fauntleroy Community Association is sending to Washington State Ferries regarding the dock-replacement project.

MORGAN MINUTES: Morgan Junction’s participating in the next West Seattle Art Walk, 5-8 pm August 11th. … MoCA is looking for a new vice president, as Phil Tavel has resigned after many years in the position. Interested? mocacnc@gmail.comArtsWest has offered a special price on tickets to its next play.

Two new Morgan-area businesses got brief spotlights:

MOON ROOM: Hannah Roberts came to the MoCA meeting to talk about her new business at 5902 California SW (featured here when they opened almost four months ago). Oil diffusers, jewelry, crystals, art prints. “We’re really enjoying the neighborhood.” She says “imagination” is at the heart of her vision for the “feel-good spot” – “imagination is such a healer.” She’s hoping to add some classes in the fall – singing bowls, sacred geometry, more.

MINUTEMAN PRESS: Matt also came to the MoCA meeting to talk about his relatively new business, new ownership for what was Olympic Printing at 6047 California SW. He’s a former Boeing employee. He says he’s thankful for the warm community reception. Deb Barker thanked Matt for his shop’s work on the Morgan Junction Community Festival posters this year.

NEXT MEETING: MoCA meets third Wednesdays in January, April, July, and October, so the next meeting is October 19th, 7 pm, online.

21 Replies to "Street safety and more discussed at Morgan Community Association's July meeting"

  • Real Talk July 21, 2022 (2:32 pm)

    The problem is reckless drivers, not “communication of the street’s expectations”.  The solution is more police and actual consequences for speeding.  Some people will drive like animals regardless of how the street is configured.

    • Nolan July 21, 2022 (8:54 pm)

      Your claim is demonstrably wrong. Here’s a starting point for you to learn how road design determines travel of car speeds along that road: https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/effectiveness_certain_design_solutions_reducing_vehicle_speeds_daniel.pdf

      Of course, that’s assuming that you’re willing to work toward reducing actual deaths and injuries. It’s easy to just get mad and insist that (even) more cops is the answer, but we already know that doesn’t work: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245559162_Study_of_the_Impact_of_Police_Enforcement_on_Motorists%27_Speeds

      • Scubafrog July 22, 2022 (7:34 am)

        1 study as empirical proof?  No. More police are the answer, and many many more traffic stops/high-fine fiscal deterrents/loss of license for reckless driving.  Different road design elements such as speed bumps, medians and more stop lights would make a profound difference.  Speed cameras throughout the city would be really cut down on speeders, but I suspect most drivers are speeders, and would object under the pretence of “durrr surveillance hurrrr”.  Will we actually see road design elements deployed?  Maybe a median at best.

        • Ron Swanson July 22, 2022 (10:31 am)

          This is not even a controversial point.  The 85th percentile speed that most drivers will take is governed almost entirely by road geometry and conditions, not the threat of speed enforcement.

          Even a massive increase in SPD’s traffic enforcement efforts would have little impact on driver behavior – whereas traffic calming efforts work 24/7 and cause people to slow down on their own.  

      • Sam July 22, 2022 (9:35 am)

        The second study looked at police presence, not enforcement. Traffic deaths go up when enforcement goes down. I am in favor of improved road design too, of course

      • UselessPoliticians July 22, 2022 (10:21 am)

        When I lived in Phoenix and you drove ANYWHERE in Paradise Valley you would notice EVERYONE obeyed the speed limit because there were constant patrols and enforcement.  You can ask anyone who lives in Phoenix they speed through PV and the answer will be “hell no”.

        • Ice July 22, 2022 (1:17 pm)

          Ah yes, cherry picking a single neighborhood in one of the most dangerous cities to be in a car. Very convincing 

        • Ron Swanson July 22, 2022 (1:29 pm)

          Yes, a suburb of 12,000 people that is literally America’s wealthiest town using punitive enforcement to keep the undesirables out is certainly a realistic model for a major city…

    • Seattlite July 21, 2022 (9:12 pm)

      Agree.  Reckless, careless drivers have no respect for life.  I see near misses of pedestrians being hit in crosswalks frequently.  Speed is dangerous…the faster the speed, the less control over a heavy vehicle that could injure or kill someone.  Dangerous driving is increasing which means increased police presence is needed.  The mayor should expedite his plan of hiring more police officers, training them, and getting them out on the streets. 

  • k July 21, 2022 (3:15 pm)

    One median island is not enough. We need this up and down California. Let’s not wait for another death.

  • JD July 21, 2022 (3:36 pm)

    Agreed. There are two daycares within a block from each other, north of SW Admiral. The city just added additional signage to the existing crosswalk. Doesn’t seem like enough, especially as it is the only crosswalk north of Admiral all the way to Hamilton Viewpoint!

  • Derek July 21, 2022 (3:36 pm)

    I think we should take another look at more speeding cameras and automatic tickets. Especially if we’re having a hard time recruiting police officers.

    • My two cents July 21, 2022 (7:23 pm)

      Derek – take it up with the State of WA as they have the ability to change the existing rules on camera usage. Let me know when you have your petition up and ready.

      • K July 21, 2022 (8:52 pm)

        The state laws were just loosened at the beginning of the month, cities just have to get it together. I hope to see even less restrictions on camera use very soon: https://www.theurbanist.org/2022/06/24/cities-can-soon-add-more-speed-cameras-to-their-streets-but-no-ones-rushing-to-be-first/

      • Derek July 21, 2022 (8:53 pm)

        Can’t they put them up in school zones? There’s some schools on California, my kids preschool is on California, we should be able to put up school signs and traffic cams around all the schools, including preschools. Put them up wherever we legally can, it’ll slow some people down, save lives, and generate good tax revenue all in one go. I wish they could randomly place them on residential streets around here too, but that might be harder to achieve.  

  • Jort July 21, 2022 (3:44 pm)

    “Safe Systems” is, indeed, a sound approach to road safety design and would help move Seattle closer toward the growing global standards for road safety, but it is going to involve uncomfortable changes. This is the thing SDOT doesn’t seem to want to or even care to communicate: if we begin viewing our transportation planning and safety outside the frame of “personal responsibility” and instead as a system that considers Human Factors, there will be uncomfortable changes to the status quo, and those changes are going to take political courage that so far has been literally entirely and completely absent from our “leaders.” And, yes, those changes are going to take what is the overwhelmingly most convenient method of personal transportation in the world and make it slightly, slightly less convenient in order to protect lives, since “design entirely for the car’s convenience and hope and wish that nobody abuses it” is proving to be a literal catastrophic national failure. 

    • CarDriver July 21, 2022 (4:47 pm)

      Trying to figure out what you’re actually proposing here jort. Please elaborate.

    • WS Guy July 21, 2022 (5:09 pm)

      No thanks.

    • UselessPoliticians July 22, 2022 (10:30 am)

      Ideological solutions of the 3% is not a reasonable approach, however it seems you may have a shot in Seattle since it’s all backwards here..

  • Nwe July 21, 2022 (8:33 pm)

    I’m so glad they will be upgrading that crossing and that they’re considering design changes to slow drivers. I’d also love to see some traffic slowing measures along Fauntleroy where there’s the middle lane. That street is like the Wild West. Folks routinely hit 50+ right before the speed signal by the elementary school. Some slow to like 40 but most just press on through at top speeds in the evenings.

  • Mj July 21, 2022 (10:31 pm)

    K – as a bike rider I do not want a raised median up and down California.  Also I see a lot of delivery vehicle drivers using the median space to stop to make deliveries.

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