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April 11, 2010 at 4:06 am #691905
hooper1961Memberi am confused, i think you meant people who move next to an arterial street and then complain the speed limit is to high.
April 11, 2010 at 4:08 am #691906
brewParticipantApril 11, 2010 at 4:16 am #691907
CarsonParticipantBut you knew the limit before you bought the house, and now you are complaining!! I had it right, but please take it in jest. The limit will never get raised, but its fun to watch you try.
April 11, 2010 at 5:07 am #691908
hooper1961MemberActually I have been concerned with the change since June 2006. And because of the change the accident rate went up!
The City has not refuted my analysis or been willing to submit for a peer review. Thus they essentially have acknowledged that I am flat out correct in my assessment that the 35 MPH limit was appropriate. No one at SDOT has told me my report based on national criteria is wrong and in fact the SDOT is unwilling to submit to a peer review.
April 11, 2010 at 3:02 pm #691909
CarsonParticipantHas anyone at City Hall filed a TRO on you yet? Just curious….
April 11, 2010 at 4:54 pm #691910
JanSParticipantBecause you have not heard back from them does not mean that they are admitting anything. It simply means that maybe they think you’re a crackpot, and not interested in responding to you. I’m betting that if you’ve been after them for a few years that they now throw whatever they get from you into the round file. The city is not required to refute anything you say, and they do not have to be willing to submit to a peer review at their cost.
We are now up to 181 comments. on this thing. You have stated your point over and over. You seem intelligent..time to put this thread to rest.
Memorial service anyone?
April 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm #691911
hooper1961MemberAll I am asking for is for the City to submit to a 3rd party Peer Review. What is unreasonable about this request?
April 11, 2010 at 5:43 pm #691912
CarsonParticipantWhy should they? You have yet to prove a point here let alone with those that matter. Judging by the responses here you don’t seem to be in the majority. Like I said, I am more than willing to fight any raising of the speed limits on Admiral Way. Period. I am guessing, and its only a guess, someone in City Hall is getting a chuckle out of this. 3rd Party Peer Review…..with milk and cookies served to all??
Why would they when you basically have ZERO support. Let me give you a suggestion, I doubt you will take it. You need the community to support you to get anything done. Thats the way it should be as well. Is ANA (Admiral Neighboorhood Assoc) on board with you? Have you asked them or gone to their meetings? What other groups, that the city recognizes have you approached? Until you have the community support, you are wasting oxygen. Rants and Raves on WSB isn’t going to get it done.
Remember, work smarter, not harder.
April 11, 2010 at 6:02 pm #691913
BikerDudeMemberi am a long time west seattle resident and ride my bike all the time. i have ridden my bike on admiral way for years. the 35 mph limit was better and i felt safer as a bicyclist because less traffic passed on the right. i never did understand why the city changed the limit other than to raise revenue. it seems to me the city should take up hoopers request for a 3rd party peer review
April 12, 2010 at 12:01 am #691914
JoBParticipantDEAD HORSE FOUND BEATEN TO DEATH ON ADMIRAL WAY
Traffic was tied up for several hours on Sunday while various and sundry interested parties debated who was responsible for removing the dead horse from the roadway.
Neighbors finally took action and towed the offending animal to the side of the road using a riding lawnmower. The driver of the lawnmower was cited for driving a vehicle that was not legally licensed on the roadway. He attracted widespread community support for fighting his ticket only to be told by the judge that he had no standing since he had not submitted a peer review.
The carcass was swept into the sound during spring runoff.
Friends of the Sound have filed a suit against both the city and the man who towed the dead horse to the side of the road for violation of environmental statutes.
The owner of the horse has not stepped forward.
This matter remains unresolved.
April 12, 2010 at 12:23 am #691915
MrJTMemberMe thinks hooper1961 is a disgruntled ex-SDOT Director.
April 12, 2010 at 2:53 am #691916
DianaParticipantJoB, You are invited to sit on my stoop, have a glass of wine along with horse ‘de overs, hold the phone with SPD on speed dial and wait for hooper1961 to pass by. Any day, any time.
April 12, 2010 at 4:09 am #691917
KimberleyParticipantThey appear to be monitoring something on Admiral, be it speed or number of cars – they have those black strips going across Admiral, the entrance and exit to the bridge, as well as harbor ave.
April 12, 2010 at 6:03 am #691918
miwsParticipantApril 12, 2010 at 3:17 pm #691919
JoBParticipantglad i could amuse…
Diana.. glad to take up your invitation to sit on the stoop with you and watch the cars pass by… though i don’t have any desire to speed dial SPD on poor hooper as he passes…
who knows… hooper and i might find common ground on some other issue. stranger things have been known to happen:)
i’ve met some of the most interesting people here…
April 12, 2010 at 4:00 pm #691920
dawsonctParticipantWhy not put your weight behind finding out how much shorter yellow lights become when the city installs a traffic camera at an intersection. That has provably increased accidents across the country; maybe your indignation can be put to a better use fixing THAT problem, Hooper.
April 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm #691921
BikerDudeMemberApril 12, 2010 at 4:28 pm #691922
dawsonctParticipantBrew, BikerDude, rarely has it been stated better.
April 12, 2010 at 5:09 pm #691923
hooper1961Memberthe road tubes Kimberly says she saw are likely traffic counting tubes; SDOT does a decent job of maintaining traffic volume and accident data.
red-light cameras do indeed increase rear end accidents per the data I have seen.
if I was the SDOT Director I would have had a Traffic Study conducted (btw – no study was conducted at the time of the change in violation of State Law) and based on the results (the corridor was operating SAFELY and EFFICIENTLY) the speed limit would have remained at 35 MPH. If it isn’t broken what is there to fix?
we all must remember extensive traffic research shows that speed limit signs in themselves do not change traffic speeds, but do have an effect on safety if the posted limit is not consistent with Traffic Criteria (aka limits to low and to high increase accidents). installing arbitrary speed limits reduces driver respect and reduces safety
April 12, 2010 at 5:55 pm #691924
CarsonParticipantHooper, you don’t get it do you? Let me help you out, because you are flying dark here.
Why would the SDOT Director ever give you the time of day? You need to understand what “middle management” and political appointees do and how they work. First, and foremost they are risk aversive. What is the potential upside of giving you a meeting? Can it result in a promotion? An upgrade in pay? Nope. Whats the negative? Potential backlash from your supervisor or the community? Its possible. There is no reason for them to give you a hearing, but many to not.
So what do you do now? Well, for starters, who is on your team? Who is helping you in this? Do you have any organized community support? Do you have a city council member on your side? Until you understand the non-technical part of how things work, you will never get anywhere (hence the dead horse syndrome). You might not like what I am telling you, but if you want to get anyplace you need to start working the system and stop fighting it.
PS, I will still fight your every effort!!!
April 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm #691925
hooper1961MemberCarson and apparently you would have a politician take out your appendix? The whole issue is that an item that is really technical became political in the first place.
I simply demand that the City submit to a 3rd party peer review on the issue
April 12, 2010 at 7:25 pm #691926
CarsonParticipantHooper, do you know what the definition of Insanity is? Its doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
I am not arguing that it shouldn’t be political, but thats how things have been done since Ceasar had to deal with Senators. You can keep fighting the system (like beat that horse). If you want results I am telling you how to get them. You might know engineering (I have my doubts) but you don’t know politics and business.
Again, do you have the support of the community or another sponsor? Until then, you are wasting your time.
April 12, 2010 at 7:37 pm #691927
CMPParticipantThis post is amusing. JoB keeps talking about a dead horse yet she’s got about 20% of the comments on this thread. Go find another street to complain about that actually has pedestrians, cyclists, a lot more homes and parked cars with a 35 mph or higher speed limit…Fauntleroy and 35th Ave SW come to mind. Then some of these lame arguments against our traffic engineer might have some merit.
April 12, 2010 at 7:48 pm #691928
JustSarahParticipantI’ve refrained from stepping into this clustercuss of a post, but have to add something to help push it over into that fifth page. Almost there… ;-)
April 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm #691929
hooper1961MemberCMP – thank you for your comment. it would be nice if the silent majority (who agree with my analysis, look at the traffic speed data the median speed is 44 MPH) were to speak up on this issue.
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