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March 27, 2013 at 4:13 am #786321
KevinParticipantTuesday afternoon (3/26) I stopped by Nickelsville to see what has happened since the last time I stopped by.
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The back gate next to the old park and ride lot was all closed up, and no security folks manning the booth.
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I got back in my car, heading south and noticed a whole group of folks, perhaps a half dozen or more sitting on the the side of the road about a couple hundred feet south of Nickelsvile.
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What was odd, is the group appeared to have all sorts of possessions, a few bicycles, and other misc items all lined up along the side of the road.
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I’m just wondering if perhaps the camp was able to successfully evict the reported troublemakers?
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March 27, 2013 at 4:58 am #786322
hammerheadParticipantI was thinking the same thing. It is pretty disturbing, it was amazing to see how much stuff these homeless people had. I’m just saying and it will most likely be left behind for the city to come pick it up and throw it away. Now they will go up into the woods. That is their choice though.
I appreciate them working on getting the parking lot cleaned up.
March 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm #786323
JoBParticipantThe camp evicted someone
Were the troublemakers the dealers or campers who were trying to evict the dealers?
inquiring minds want to know.
March 27, 2013 at 3:18 pm #786324
PangolinPieParticipantI drive past every morning and it looks like the big stack of possessions was gone, or moved. I wasn’t able to look to closely at the camp, though.
March 27, 2013 at 3:33 pm #786325
DBPMemberFrom WSB, (Post #50) with my emphasis added at the end . . .
I just popped in quickly to say that if anyone has been to the camp in the past couple days and has any news of how things are going … KUOW called and asked if I would discuss this for a couple minutes on-air this afternoon. They reached out to Nickelsville first and apparently didn’t have much luck.
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Read between the lines here.
KUOW “reached out” to try and find somebody in charge at Nickelsville. But they found no one.
Why?
‘Cuz besides Scott Morrow, there never was anybody in charge there. And now that Morrow’s in the port-a-pottie, so to speak, NOBODY is in charge there.
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I “reached out” to Mr. Morrow myself. Called him personally a few weeks ago to ask him specifically how his move-out plans were going.
Mr. Morrow told me, repeatedly, that he wasn’t in charge (“I’m just a volunteer there myself.”) and that SHARE/WHEEL had NOTHING to do with the camp.
He said he was part of a coalition known as “Occupy CEHKC” and that I should check with them to see what was happening. But when I went to their Web site, I found it to be nothing more than a false front. The only info on Nickelsville they have there points you right back to Scott Morrow’s e-mail address.
See for yourself: http://occupycehkc.org/
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Outside the camp, Mr. Morrow has been assiduously maintaining this fiction that the camp is a self-managing democracy and that his role is merely that of advocate or helper.
Inside the camp, it’s been another story.
But that put Mr. Morrow on the horns of a dilemma, as we have seen, because eventually people in camp started contesting his authority, and when Pottie-gate happened, it became clear to everyone (inside and outside the camp) that the whole “self-governing Eco-Village democracy” thing was a fairy tale.
So now, without Scott, the whole thing is just falling apart. It’s crumbling.
And who’s gonna stop it?
Scott?
The helpers?
The Government?
ahh . . . don’t make me laff.
This is the Wet Dream of the Century for the Mayor and City Council.
[Whew! That was a close call, wasn’t it guys? And gals.]
OK, City. You’re off the hook on Nickelsville, for now. But I got some news for ya.
You ain’t off the hook for Scott Morrow yet.
Not by a long-shot, baby.
Just you wait . . .
March 27, 2013 at 3:46 pm #786326
JoBParticipanti feel badly that because of a shoulder injury caused by a fall there during the floods … i have been unable to visit camp on a daily basis like i once did
so i don’t know much more than what i hear when i run into friends from the camp who may or may not live there… but the consensus is that the problems there are real.
Regardless of who has done the asking, the camp has asked for our help dealing with illegal activities there… so maybe this is the time to contact the city atty’s office or the local precinct if you have seen or heard of any activity that is suspicious.
the information you have is unlikely to be enough on it’s own to arrest someone or you probably would have already turned it over to the authorities.. but combined with other information, it might be enough to identify culprits and produce warrants…
if campers are being victimized by those pursuing illegal activities within the camp, it’s the least we can do.
March 27, 2013 at 3:48 pm #786327
JiggersMemberDBP deep throat undercover….) The truth will come out about SHARE/WHEEL and the scam that they have pulled for a long time on everybody. And the wishful thinkers who mean good who have the wool pulled over their eyeballs are going to be in for a real disappointment. It’s unfortunate for those who really need the help and are living under their roof can’t read between the lines because they are in a bad spot in life and are too afraid to say anything in fear of retaliation.
March 27, 2013 at 4:07 pm #786328
DBPMember. . . the camp has asked for our help dealing with illegal activities there… so maybe this is the time to contact the city atty’s office or the local precinct if you have seen or heard of any activity that is suspicious.
Jo, have you not been reading your own posts on the Blog or something?
There were cops standing right outside the camp, refusing to go in and get meth dealers . . . because they didn’t have the “authority”!
And now you’re suggesting that we contact the city attorney’s office and report “illegal activities”?
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Oh, hey! Did you hear that some big luxury liner was sinking out in the North Atlantic?
Yah. “Titanic” or something.
Somebody better call the authorities on that.
March 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm #786329
JiggersMemberThe clock is ticking. EDIT: Instead of peeping at girls in bikini’s at Alki Beach, remove some of those camera’s and place them in Nickelsville. I bet unruly behavior changes quickly there.
March 27, 2013 at 6:14 pm #786330
JanSParticipantDBP…yes, I suppose this is going to be personal. What IS your problem with JoB? You seem bound and determined to prove her wrong at every turn. It seems very personal on your part. I’m wrong? Wouldn’t be the first time, this is just an observation.
Now, back to what she said. The police, the city, are now paying attention…so if you’ve seen illegal activity, report it. It will add to the information they have, and help them to decide what to do as they move forward from here.
Mayor McGinn, I’m sure, would like this to be resolved fairly quickly in a good way. It is an election year….can’t have anything negative going on…we’ll see how this is all handled.
March 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm #786331
JoBParticipantDBP..
Up until this weekend, Nickelsville’s polciy has always been to handle their own issues internally and although i have found it difficult, i have respected that.
The recent letter from the Central Committee indicates that policy has failed and they need assistance.
so.. if you know something or think you know something that might be helpful.., it’s your job to pass that information along.
you can’t blame the police for their inaction if you aren’t providing them with the information they need to assist the camp.
March 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm #786332
DBPMemberMarch 28, 2013 at 5:58 pm #786333
JoBParticipantAww G DBP.
Are you going to tell us that public outrage over removing the toilets at Nickelsville
followed by a manifesto by the “central committee” that says it’s the police’s fault for not helping us evict the drug dealers we didn’t turn in to them
followed by a virtual declaration of war by the closest neighborhood group
in an election year
is going to result in ……
sorry.. i didn’t mean to write a spoiler alert..
what whatever happens
we will most certainly know about it after it happens…
cause that’s how it works here
The news staff at WSB are on call for us 24 hours a day
and you know what..
they report the local news remarkably well
March 28, 2013 at 6:23 pm #786334
JanSParticipantoh, oh…I wait with bated breath. Finally an answer from an inside expert…
March 28, 2013 at 6:32 pm #786335
DBPMemberThe news will not be cheering to you, Jo. I’m just telling you that now so you can take precautions.
Thank you for calling me an “expert” Jan. That was nice. But as a matter of fact, you’re an expert too.
Heck, we’re ALL experts here.
March 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm #786336
JanSParticipantNo, No, DBP…I finally realized that you’re the only source for the latest, most correct information on NV. You spend a good portion of your life there, don’t you? Thanks for doing that.
March 28, 2013 at 7:38 pm #786337
JiggersMemberNo one is more of an expert than I am(but also including miws) in personally having to deal with SHARE/WHEEL. Their time is coming up before the front door is shut. And if you really care about getting anything done, going to the camp is not the answer. You have to be in City Hall’s face everyday and drill them. DBP is going about it the right way. Obviously, Nickelsville’s way of handling internal issues is not working. The so called non-profit group SHARE is falling apart at the seams. It’s just only a matter of time.
March 28, 2013 at 7:53 pm #786338
DBPMemberI feel flattered by your words, Jan but no, I don’t think I’m the only source of correct info on NV.
But yes . . . I have been down to camp quite a bit. At least I’ve been there enough to form an opinion primarily based on what I’ve seen, rather than what other people have told me.
As for yourself, what do you base your opinion on, if you don’t mind me asking? Do you base it on what you’ve seen yourself? Or on what you’ve heard from others?
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There are people who spend a “a good portion of their life” at camp, even though they don’t have to spend ANY of their time there, because they’re not homeless.
I know some non-homeless people who I would say spend TOO MUCH time at camp. I know at least three people who do that.
Why do I say they spend too much time at camp? Well . . . because they complain about it a lot. They’ll tell me the stress is killing them (which is obviously true). Or they’ll talk incessantly about all the drugs, camp politics, and other nasty stuff.
It’s clear that they’re feeding off the drama, but it’s also clear that it’s hurting them. And they know it.
I’ll say: “Why don’t you just leave it alone for a while then?”
And they say, “Yeah. I know I should.”
And sometimes they do leave it alone for awhile. And then they feel better.
But then, the next thing ya know, they’re right back in camp, getting all wound up in camp politics and stuff.
It’s really sad, because I care about these people. But they’re like addicts in a way. And you know, with addicts, you just have to let them hit bottom . . .
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In any case, I don’t think you can go by “the amount of time spent in camp” as a reliable gauge of how much weight to put on a person’s opinion. There’s such a thing as being too close to a problem, and I think that’s the case with some of these super-helpers. They’re too close to the problem.
Betty is a super-helper whose opinion I would trust. But that’s about it.
March 28, 2013 at 8:13 pm #786339
JanSParticipantDBP..you know that I can’t visit the camp. You know that I have a compromised immune system that prevents me from being around those who may not be in the best of health down there. It’s an environment that I have to avoid. So, no, first hand experience is off the table for me. So I suppose that you would say that anything “I know” about NV is purely hearsay.
And, yes, we both know of whom you speak when you say “super-hero”. I find that pretty insulting, but my opinion , and a couple of bucks may get you a cup of coffee. I’m glad you care about these people, but those are only words. You do not demonstrate it by your words…just an observation. Helping people is a trait I admire. The fact that politics gets in the way is a side effect down there, IMO. Again…there is no one person who has all the answers…just sayin’.
I also think that the Nickelsvilles of the world should not exist. What a tragedy all around. Comes back to the question of…what is a better alternative when the city will not provide a place where a person can find shelter, or if there is shelter, there are indignities that go along..as in..pack up your stuff in the morning, come back later to see if we have a place. We as a people should be better than that….but…I digress..
if you have something to say about what is going on in NV, say it. Posts about…I’ll have big news in a few days…don’t cut it for me. oh, the drama…
jiggers…you have not spent one night in NV…you may know share/wheel…but your knowledge about NV is “hearsay”, just like mine. I know you were homeless at a point in your life. Did you consider trying to live in any of the tent cities…or did you opt out because of the rules? Homelessness is not easy for a healthy person, but with your health problems, it must be daunting. And about DBP going about it the right way. There’s dealing with the politics, as he is…and then there’s being compassionate, and helping those in NV who need the help, whether it be water, or clothing, or a better tent, or toiletries,or meals, a shower, a hug, or anything else that we take for granted as part of life. They are still human beings, and need to know that someone cares. And that’s what a lot of the so-called “super-heros” do. The fact that the politics gets in the way is sad.
March 28, 2013 at 10:09 pm #786340
DBPMemberYeah, Jan. I know you can’t go down to Nickelsville. So, why-oh-why do you use sarcasm to imply that other people don’t spend enough time there?
People in glass houses . . .
I didn’t call Jo or anyone a “super-hero.” I used the term “super-helper.” I don’t mean it to be derogatory; I mean it to be descriptive, because there are some people who help a lot. Can you think of a better word for people like Jo? If so, I’ll use it, without irony.
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I can’t give you the news about the camp yet because I’ve been asked not to. But you’ll know soon enough. And when you do, you’ll see that a lot of the stuff I’ve been saying was true.
For example, I have said several times, starting at least a year ago, that the City is just waiting until there’s a crisis or until there’s serious outside pressure before they act on NV.
And that’s just what has happened, as we are about to see.
In the next couple of weeks (announced on or slightly before April 1), there will be big “breaking news” about one of the following two things:
1) City uses meth incident and a list of OTHER violations and complaints to FINALLY move on with eviction . . .
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2) Someone initiates real pressure to force City to move on with eviction.
In either case, the City wins AND loses.
They win in the sense that they get what they wanted all along, viz., to shut down NV without looking like the heavy.
They lose in the sense that it is now clear for all to see that, when it comes to tackling real problems, this particular group of folks (City Council + Mayor) is pretty much useless.
☺ Banning plastic bags?
☺ Pushing through stadiums?
☺ Making Seattle more goat-friendly?
Yeah, they can digest that kind of stuff, because politically speaking, it’s strained carrots.
Figuring out what to do with a bunch of hard-core homeless people who would rather live outdoors on their own than be in some kind of City program?
Fuhgeddabouddit.
It’s beyond these people.
March 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm #786341
JiggersMemberJanS.. That’s right, you didn’t have first hand experience in knowing what goes on in SHARE/WHEEL shelters. You get all your information either from here or your closest counterparts. So it is hearsay to you. But I have stayed in a SHARE ran sheltered sponsored by a chuch for four months during winter several years ago. Embarrassing and degrading to say the least. I know personally how things are ran. What’s different from staying in a tent at NV than in a church? I just don’t like sleeping on muddy contaminated soil. But the policies are ran the same at all their shelters regardless. Let’s stop the hypocrisy and start dealing with the real issues of what goes on inside those camps.
March 28, 2013 at 11:20 pm #786342
JanSParticipantDid I say “Jo”? I don ‘t recall doing that, DBP. But you assumed it meant her.
Jiggered….you opted for Lincoln Park instead. So 4 months in a church makes you an expert…gotta remember that.
DBP..what city programs are those that allow them to stay, have belongings that they don’t have to pack up every day, allow them to keep families together, let them keep dignity. Tell me again, as I forget
March 28, 2013 at 11:26 pm #786343
charlabobParticipantGood news forumites—-An article on the front page uncovers the secret to which DPB alludes. My only question: DPB when does your campaign for mayor begin?
March 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm #786344
JiggersMemberYes Jan.. and other parts of the city where I found to be safe. Four months is a long time so it does make me an expert. So, if you’re trying to throw darts and embarrass me, it won’t work. I’ve been through hell and back and probably go through it again.
March 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm #786345
hammerheadParticipantOk I drive by NV every day. I see what gets thrown out by seeing what is by the dumpster, saw the pile of stuff and persons that got kicked out yesterday, stuff was gone by the am. I am just surprised by how much stuff they had, being that they are homeless. I get that people’s stuff is important, but they had more stuff than could have fit in the back of my pick up truck.
Now I am now seeing several people that were at NV living up in the woods on Meyers Way and on the exit of 509 begging for money, fine again if that is what they want to do. So they must be fine with it.(they don’t have kids just a small dog)
I understand housing is tough as hell to get but I have to totally side with DP and Jiggers. Most choose to live this way. Please understand the ones with mental issues are a separate issue.
The addicts well they can get help, it is out there and make the decision one day at a time to stay sober. It is their CHOICE. I know of a place right now but it is religious based and some people have issues with that. I get that but there is housing and food and showers and toilets.
So I do not think it is about “dignity” it is about choices.
Again when you have piercing all over your face and tattoos it is pretty hard to get a job anywhere(yes I have tattoos but NOT on my face and can be easily covered) unless a tattoo shop or something like that. Then the colored hair again choices, for the most part again someone with green hair and 20 piercings on/in your face is not going to find a job.
Yes there are people that work in tattoo shops that are tat’d up and piercings everywhere but they are an exception.
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